Hillary Clinton Sharpens Her Barbs Against Bernie Sanders

[mhatrw]

Source: Time

Hillary Clinton sharpened her attacks against Bernie Sanders Friday as her campaign gains confidence, criticizing his gun control record and subtly accusing him of making a sexist remark in the recent debate. During a sunny campaign event in Alexandria, Virginia, on Friday, Clinton apparently referred to a moment in the Democratic debate when Sanders said that “all the shouting in the world” will not improve gun laws.

“I’ve been told to stop shouting about guns,” Clinton said to cheers. “Actually I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman talks, some people think it’s shouting!”

She used the same line earlier in the day at the Democratic National Committee’s Women’s Leadership Forum. Friday was the first time Clinton has implied Sanders showed sexism in the Democratic debate by remonstrating Clinton for raising her voice. (Sanders also said in the debate in response to former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley that “we can raise our voices.”)

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Gun control is one of the few issues where Clinton is further to the left than Sanders, and it is an issue she believes will help her win over the Democratic base. One of her strongest moments during the debate last week came when host Anderson Cooper asked Clinton whether Sanders is strong enough of on gun control. “No,” Clinton said in the debate, “not at all.”

Read more: http://time.com/4085578/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-sexism/

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Hillary takes no prisoners, but sometimes ...

[cyclezealot]

1. Hillary need cool it.

Bernie has not played dirty with her. She will only anger allies she will need in the future. Vermont and Oregon are big hunting states. A politician need reflect their voters views. Bernie is no gun nut and hillary knows that. Should Clinton get into negative campaigning , she has far more negative votes, she'd prefer not being discussed , than does Bernie. Don't make it negative , it will only hurt herself.

[Lunabell]

4. Yep

like in '08 when she dog whistled that Obama was a muslim. OMG I'm gonna get flamed for this! lol.

[erlewyne]

22. Hillary is corporate so is Obama

Go Bernie

Was that enough flame?

[bjobotts]

67. She sided with McCain against Obama's lack of experience

That's why I don't trust her. She sided with a republican over another democrat just to gain power. I fear when she gets in office she will side with the banks and wall street and the 1% over the poor and middle class

[skypilot]

77. That's the point...

...where I became VERY wary of her. I remember seeing her and McCain together on TV at some kind of speaking engagement (I don't remember exactly what it was) and McCain made some joke involving Obama's "Hope and Change" slogan. He said something along the lines of "If you elect Obama you'll hope you have some change left in your pocket" and Hilary doubled over laughing while clapping her hands together. Something just turned over in me at that point.

[Hoppy]

34. That settles it. If she is the nominee, I am not voting for the office of president.

[cyclezealot]

44. At the price of more Scalia's on the Supreme Court

Unless HIllary goes all hateful, Bernie will not agree with you. Hillary , make it easy for us and Bernie to support you with a degree of enthusiasm. Should you get all postal, we'll be silent at the time you'll want us. It is up to you.

[Sunlei]

47. What would Senator Sanders say about not voting?

[bjobotts]

68. Vote for the nominee.I hope its Bernie but 1 issue is just 1 issue

and one issue is not enough to disqualify either of them but character is and Bernie has always been Bernie and hides nothing. Who ever is the democratic nominee will be the next president but Bernie leads a movement to pressure congress for results. Republicans always demonize any democratic president...but they truly are the demons. Every Republican president since Eisenhower became president through treason or fraud...FOIA now shows this to be true through the release of information.
Bothsiderism is a lie which attempts to justify the actions of one party.

[Sunlei]

70. I want Mrs. Clinton & Bernie Sanders to team-up.

That's the Dream Team & a nightmare for Republicans

[Aerows]

80. President Bernie, VP Clinton

I could really get behind that ticket!

[Sunlei]

83. They both say, "let the voters decide." Let the primary voters decide by vote counts.

I think Ds would be happiest with both of them.

[cyclezealot]

82. Hillary might sound way too hawkish

But, she's rational, unlike Cruz, Rubio, and Jeb's Neo-Con buddies. If you remember, Bill Clinton were on the outside, looking in. You really want John Bolton taking a chainsaw to the top five stories of the UN. In the end, Bernie sees the forest from the trees. He'll back Clinton as the better choice to fight Citizen's United.

[PFunk1]

51. I'm almost (but not quite) at this point now (and alot of my friends are too).

And I'm sorry but the "what about the court" argument just don't work with me any more. Im not asking for a perfect candidate here. If the dems want my vote then give me someone worth voting for. Period.

[MurrayDelph]

74. No, if she's the candidate

I'll still vote for her (because as bad as she is, whoever the R's put up will be MUCH worse), but it will take three hands to do it:

One to hold my ballot,
One to hold my pen (we vote by mail in Oregon),
and One to hold my nose.

[Francois9]

55. Her negativity is the problem.

And I don't just mean her attitude toward Mr. Sanders. She has a general negativity that shows up in all her speeches. This is, above all, what makes her seem "unlikeable." Bill Clinton once enlisted Steven Spielberg to get some dialog coaches to work with her on this, but she gave up. She said she wanted to be herself. So this is what you get.

[JDPriestly]

2. Hillary and Bill just have or had to make it personal and ugly.

And then they wonder why Republicans dislike them so personally.

Bernie does not do negative campaigning. It is npt personal for him. It"s about the issues for Bernie. I agree with Bernie on gun control.

[msongs]

3. not reallyt lbn nt

[mhatrw]

5. Latest Breaking Barbs nt

[delrem]

6. OMFG. She's going there, now.

The "social justice vs. economic justice dichotomy" being milked.

Making up shit out of thin air.
Setting the hounds out, David Brock, and friends.

I pity you US Americans, having to go through this. And it's just started.

From up here in Canada all I can say is that we depend on you all doing the right thing.
Being smart.
Not going under.

[marym625]

9. this is the stinkiest shit being thrown so far

Like Lee Camp tweeted during the debate

#Hillary just said she would ONLY be different from #Obama because vagina. #CNN #CNNDebate ()

Lee Camp

[delrem]

10. Sorry, but the kind of jokes I'm thinking of aren't allowed.

Probably for the best.
But sigh -
it's been this way from the start.

I can't fucking believe how low the "social justice vs economic justice" brigade has gone, and I'm expecting way worse, because it's all driven by money. And nothing else. Nothing else whatsoever.

[marym625]

14. it's the only bullshit they've got.

And it's complete and total bullshit. It will fail. Let it go. Not even worth addressing.

I'm sure the jokes were said at many a debate party

[potone]

29. Well you Canadians have certainly set a good example in your recent election.

I hope we won't disappoint you (and ourselves) by electing someone who is a menace to us and the world.

[truebluegreen]

76. I'd like to say, what a refreshing way to run an election!

78 days start to finish, and a marathon by Canadian standards....<sigh>

[azurnoir]

7. That's our Hillary

[still_one]

8. First of all this belongs in General Discussion : Primaries. Second, this is the media trying to

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stir up shit using words like "implied". That is NOT journalism. Either she did it, or she didn't

One thing she did NOT do, and that is accuse Bernie of being "sexist", that is the fucked up media making up bullshit..

They got it wrong with Biden running. They got it wrong with Romney winning. They got it wrong with Gabby Gifford being killed. They got it wrong with WMDs in Iraq, and I am just highlighting just a couple of obvious things. Their record is pretty dismal. Unfortunately Walter Cronkite, Mike Wallace, Edward R. Murrow, are gone, and we are far poorer because of it.

For those interested here is the full video. The lines in question start at 17:00 in

http://redbricktown.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-speech-in-old-town-alexandria-virginia/

[marym625]

12. she's most certainly implying

someone is sexist

“I’ve been told to stop shouting about guns,” Clinton said to cheers. “Actually I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman talks, some people think it’s shouting!”

Since it was Bernie Sanders that said,

“all the shouting in the world”

If not he, then who?

[still_one]

16. Here is the full context of the video. It starts 17:00 in. The specific names she uses are NRA and

republicans. She also calls on responsible gun owners to do the right thing.

She also discussed her record in the Senate on a specific issue.

http://redbricktown.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-speech-in-old-town-alexandria-virginia/

At least view the video at 17:00, and make your conclusions there. If you interpret that as calling Bernie "sexist", then we just disagree

[A Simple Game]

33. The little grin and head nod said it all, she wanted people to think Bernie

was accusing her of shouting because she was a woman.

Nice way to say thanks for the help with the email screw up.

[KingCharlemagne]

38. I hope he calls her out for Iraq. There are 1,000,000+ ghosts crying

For accountability.

[A Simple Game]

57. And with the cluster bombs and depleted uranium munitions laying around

that number will keep rising.

How'd Ms. Clinton vote on the cluster bomb ban again?

[passiveporcupine]

59. Who did accuse her of shouting?

Seriously...I would love to see a link of who she was referring to, if not to Bernie's comment about "all the shouting in the world"?

Who else said anything at all about shouting?

And BTW, a lot of people have been shouting, so he was not referring to "Hillary" specifically when he said that. He was referring to everyone, male or female, when he said that, but she turned it into a sexist slam against herself.

Without a link to some other comment she was referring to, you've got nothing to defend her with.

[marym625]

79. The quote is accurate

She's calling someone a sexist. You tell me who you think she's referring to. Pretty obvious to me and just about everyone else

[bvf]

11. Oh, geez...

“I’ve been told to stop shouting about guns,” Clinton said to cheers. “Actually I haven’t been shouting, but sometimes when a woman talks, some people think it’s shouting!”

Now there's a stretch. Bet some people eat it up, too.

[Francois9]

53. I wonder if she will keep on like this as President.

Feminism is good and powerful movement. But Mr. Sanders does not deserve to be attacked as a "sexist." Of course Mrs. Clinton did not use the exact word, "sexist." But her remark that "Some people think that a woman is shouting when she talks" is clearly innuendo against him, because of his past comment about how she was raising her voice.

Mr. Sanders seems to be a gentleman. I don't think he likes anyone to raise his or her voice at him. So to suggest that he is a "sexist" for saying what he said is somewhat unjust.

[cprise]

71. It would be a return to the Clinton vs Republican circus

Worse than what we have now with Obama in the White House.

[still_one]

13. Here is the EXACT video, and how the OP misrepresented what Hillary actually said. The specific

people she DID attack were the NRA, and the republicans. She also called on all responsible gun owners to work on this.

The supposed attack starts 17:00 into the link.

http://redbricktown.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-speech-in-old-town-alexandria-virginia/

If people are going to criticize something they should have a full CONTEXT of what is said, and then decide for themseleves, not some hack taking words out of context

[SunSeeker]

26. Yep. Shit stirring by the MSM. nt

[mhatrw]

43. I don't see how the OP is a misrepresentation. It's a direct quote of what Clinton said.

It was a clearly a barb directed at Sanders for his "weak" response when he got tagteamed by Cooper, Clinton, and O'Malley for not being a big enough gun grabber.

And this barb included everything in Clinton's bag of schtick. "I'm the ultimate outsider because of my sex" and "Whoa is me for facing such sexist discrimination" while going straight for the jugular.

[still_one]

45. We disagree. She specifically mentioned the NRA and republicans prior to so-called Bernie attack

but we are each entitled to our impressions

[bigdarryl]

58. Just goes to show Sanders supporters are so fucking sensitive

[passiveporcupine]

60. Of course she did not say who said she was shouting

She didn't say "Bernie's" name, but who else has made a comment about anyone shouting?

You are trying really really hard to disconnect from reality here, but it's not going to work.

Show me a clip of someone else accusing her of shouting...Please. Then I will agree with you that this is all made up.

[still_one]

69. Good point. I actually didn't see the debate, and accept that I incorrectly didn't associate the

statement from the debate. ok, I'm naive sometimes that way.

One thing though I don't see this as an example of Hillary calling Bernie sexist. That I think is a stretch.

I also think it was a very small part of the speech.

At least based on the Va. rally, I agree my view was wrong, it was a slam at Bernie. I \don't consider it particularly harsh. I also don't consider Bernie's statement that Obama has been a weak president as particularly harsh. I don't agree with it, but it is a legitimate point for discussion, and brings to the forefront the question that Joe Biden brought up. How much should we reach out to the republicans?

[davidpdx]

15. That is funny because I watched the debate and he did no such thing

This must be some kind delayed outrage. The debate took place on the 13th of October and she waits 10 days to start spouting how sexist Sanders is. I suppose she also has forgotten that Sanders defended her about the email investigation. How convenient!

Yet we know this new talking point will get lapped up by her supporters.

[still_one]

17. Too bad the full context of what she said isn't presented. Here it is

starting at 17:00 in:

http://redbricktown.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-speech-in-old-town-alexandria-virginia/

and it would be equally nice if the OP posted this in General Discussion : Primaries, but of course that would defeat the purpose of flame bait

[William769]

19. Unfortunately you can post that 10,000 times and it won't matter.

The dog whistle has been blown.

[still_one]

20. woof woof

[Robbins]

31. Of course

typical Clinton BS.of course now Clinton supporters hear will start calling bernie and his supporters anti-woman even if his supporters on DU are women.

Kind of strange if polls are right and she has gained and bernie declined why would she start attacking Bernie.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

18. Oh look, she's crafting the intelligence to fit the policy.

[KingCharlemagne]

39. thread winner (and props for the allusion to

the Downing Street Memo).

[jfern]

21. The Clintons always divide

They know the people are easier to conquer with divisive language.

[BlueMTexpat]

23. Bit of a stretch and

really out of context. But feel free ....

[PADemD]

24. Too bad she's not for gun control when it comes to foreign policy.

[restorefreedom]

41. plus a freakin zillion! nt

[Doctor_J]

50. zing

[frizzled]

25. Not just gun control, she's also strong on women's rights and defending abortion/PP

For some reason there's an attitude that attacking the reproductive rights of 51% of the people is a minority issue.

[Robbins]

30. uh

Bernie is strong on woman's rights and is very much pro-choice.

are you suggesting you have to be a woman to support reproductive rights

[frizzled]

32. Hillary's the only one prominently defending Planned Parenthood

But yes, of COURSE a female candidate will be better to defend women's reproductive rights. It's a womens' issue. That doesn't mean some women aren't anti-abortion, but men simply can't speak with authority on what it means to women to have their legal rights to their own bodies and fates attacked.

The Republicans are waging war against women and have made abortion more or less impossible in many parts of the country. That Democrats aren't fighting back is outrageous.

Hillary Clinton Was The Debate's First -- And Last -- Candidate To Bring Up Planned Parenthood

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood_561dc616e4b0c5a1ce611273

[Robbins]

36. that's a winning strategy

attacking all men and hope is all women will vote for her.which i can tell you for a fact isn't going to happen.some women hate her.

Clinton supporters i guess have moved on to saying all men don't care about women's rights.

Bernie has 100% record on women's reproductive rights.

on the issues he isn't talk and no action which Is Clinton's.

Women can't use their rights to get abortion if abortion clinics are shut down.

If you listened to bernie he doesn't support defunding Planned parenthood.

[frizzled]

37. "don't care" =!= "can't speak as authoritatively"

How thin skinned can you be to take "attacking all men" from that post?!

Hillary is speaking a lot more prominently about PP than anyone else, and you can't really deny that... can you?

Don't get me wrong, I like Bernie, though I don't know his record on women's issues well enough to agree with your claim. Neither of them would be disasters. I think Hillary would be more likely to get elected, though.

[Jester Messiah]

27. *sigh* Can she go 5 minutes without reminding people of her gender?

We get it Hil, you've got girl parts. Good for you.

[Francois9]

54. "I'm a woman, W-O-M-A-N"--Peggy Lee

Campaign anthem for Mrs. Clinton?

[passiveporcupine]

63. It's her strongest attribute

It's why she can't stop pushing it.

[Francois9]

78. Yes.

Unfortunately, you're right. She is a remarkably untalented human being.

[passiveporcupine]

81. I would have to disagree with you on that

She is good at what she does, and if she were a true progressive, she would be good at that too...but she's too authoritarian/conservative to be a true progressive. She is, however, an extremely smart woman. And if we wanted authoritarian conservative government in this country, she would probably be one of the best candidates out there.

Thank goodness most Americans really don't want that kind of government, although many of them get fooled into voting for it.

[Francois9]

84. Here's why I said it.

Hillary has never accomplished anything in her life. Her thin-soup corporate-friendly healthcare proposal in the 1990s was a failure. She was a failure as a Senator. She and her busy staff introduced over 300 pieces of legislation, and only two of them passed--both on trivial matters. As Secretary of State, the only important initiative she took was to attack Libya, with disastrous consequences. And her decision to use a private server for both State Department business and her own Clinton Foundation business with foreign companies and governments was simply idiotic, given her ambition to run for President in 2016. Now she has to run a campaign while being investigated by the FBI.

No, I don't think she is good at what she does.

[TexasBushwhacker]

72. Can you imagine, in 2007, Obama saying what sets him

apart from the other candidates is that he's black? Yes, it will be historic when a woman gets elected President, but that's not a REASON to vote for someone.

[Robbins]

28. Of course she is

that's her MO play the victim.always has been.

just like some of her supporters to us bernie supporters.anyone running against her is now sexist or anti-woman.

Time will tell if it will work.

[4dsc]

35. Sorry Hillary but this election is not about Bernie

and that is why Bernie will gain support while you attack. Sad. Perhaps it's the DNC that is telling her what to do this election cycler.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. Hillary takes on street gangs and the NRA lobbyists

Good luck with that.

Throwing her hands up with rage will not stop the shootings.

[restorefreedom]

42. playing the gender card and attacking someone who plays clean

yeah thats not gonna backfire at all

[SoapBox]

46. Of course she would.

Because it's about her and protecting the status quo of Big Money, Big Power and the War Machine.

Screw the damned 99%...elect her and she'll just continue the suppression of Americans.

Bernie is our last hope for true change.

[AlbertCat]

48. Gun control is one of the few issues where Clinton is further to the left than Sanders

I don't know this is true.


Sanders wants sensible gun laws. He doesn't think gun manufacturers should be responsible for crimes committed with their guns. I have to say, I must agree here. Unless we make fast food companies responsible for obesity and sugar companies responsible for type 2 diabetes. Are knife manufacturers gonna be responsible for any knifings.... ?

I know! Sue coffee manufacturers for when their coffee is served too hot!


It's a dumb idea.

But SENSIBLE gun control is what Sanders is for. What's Clinton for? Uber-Sensible gun laws?


And now shouting is somehow a misogynistic observation?

Lame.

[passiveporcupine]

65. Now see, when I argued for Bernie's stand on gun mfg responsibility

I was told this is why Bernie supporters cannot be trusted (or something along those lines)...because we don't care about all the gun deaths and won't hold gun mfg's responsible for the illegal use of their weapons.

Be careful where you tread in this crowd!

[Doctor_J]

49. taking the Sanders voters for granted in the ge

Most of us are in Sanders camp because we consider him a really good man. Throwing shit on him isn't going to attract many of us.

[MisterP]

52. the Clinton campaign really does think that with the right talking points (and dance moves)

Sanders backers will fall in line and prove themselves marvelous cogs

it's basically the political version of the PUA--voters are basically a "lock to be picked"

but a lot of people are going for Sanders because he's NOT politics as usual, not running on pushing the right buttons to rack up the votes and then drop every issue and swan off with the mortgage scammers and General Dynamics

[Nye Bevan]

56. Lots of folk accusing Hillary of behaving badly here.

But then again that old saying "well-behaved women seldom make history" does get posted a lot here.

[J_J_]

61. behaving badly? That was such a freaking stupid thing to say

Now either she is a moron, or she thinks we are won over by moronic arguments...either way, any bit of warm feelings toward her I had has been flushed down the toilet.

What an idiotic thing to say.

Can't we have an intelligent person run the country.

This is the greatest nation on earth- God help us!

[passiveporcupine]

66. at least someone who doesn't respond with

silly emotional victimization.

This is childish, and not what I want to see in a President.

They may both be further right than I am, but Hillary is no Obama. Obama proved he doesn't resort to victimization and nasty rebuttals when he is attacked. And he has been attacked more than any President we've ever had.

[tabasco]

62. Fooled /coerced by corrupt GW Bush regime to vote for illegal war

Puts Bernie in first place for me.

[Sunlei]

73. perhaps Sanders supporters should look to Senator Sanders first to see if he's 'offended'

Instead of letting media or an OP set the tone.

[AlbertCat]

75. I'm looking to see if the statements are actually true

or just more bs smears.