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Fri May 18, 2012, 09:26 AM

Witness Says George Zimmerman Repeatedly Bullied Him At Work, Targeted Him With Racist Jokes

Source: Think Progress

Among the evidence in the Trayvon Martin case released by the Florida state prosecutor yesterday was a 15-minute interview with a former work collegue of George Zimmerman. The man, who is not identified by name, says that Zimmerman relentlessly bullied him at work.

Zimmerman, according to the witness, targeted him because he was Middle Eastern. He repeatedly called the man a “fucking moron” and mocked him using the voice of “Achmed the terrorist.” Zimmerman’s stories about the man would involve “bombing,” “I’ll kill your family” and other “jokes” about “Middle Eastern stuff.” According to the man, this went on “for days and days.”

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After a few months, Zimmerman was terminated. According to the witness, “he was fired for calling HR hotline so many times…he would complain about each and every manager and employee.”




Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/05/18/486523/audio-witness-says-george-zimmerman-repeatedly-bullied-him-at-work-targeted-him-with-racist-jokes/

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Reply Witness Says George Zimmerman Repeatedly Bullied Him At Work, Targeted Him With Racist Jokes (Original post)
kpete May 2012 OP
NYC_SKP May 2012 #1
lukkadairish May 2012 #3
TBF May 2012 #10
Lost-in-FL May 2012 #28
liberalnationalist May 2012 #25
cheapdate May 2012 #37
TahitiNut May 2012 #49
cheapdate May 2012 #51
Chemisse May 2012 #54
pacalo May 2012 #53
lolly May 2012 #2
nxylas May 2012 #4
awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #14
KansDem May 2012 #34
awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #36
Suji to Seoul May 2012 #56
NYC_SKP May 2012 #5
Cal33 May 2012 #6
Voice for Peace May 2012 #15
fascisthunter May 2012 #44
patricia92243 May 2012 #60
Cosmocat May 2012 #8
lolly May 2012 #9
Cosmocat May 2012 #22
crunch60 May 2012 #16
Cosmocat May 2012 #23
liberalnationalist May 2012 #26
freshwest May 2012 #64
freshwest May 2012 #61
KansDem May 2012 #33
vaberella May 2012 #7
HopeHoops May 2012 #12
zeemike May 2012 #11
Uncle Joe May 2012 #13
kpete May 2012 #19
april May 2012 #17
razorman May 2012 #18
JDPriestly May 2012 #31
razorman May 2012 #55
JDPriestly May 2012 #57
razorman May 2012 #66
Lilyeye May 2012 #65
razorman May 2012 #67
lolly May 2012 #38
brush May 2012 #63
Judi Lynn May 2012 #20
closeupready May 2012 #21
PatentlyDemocratic May 2012 #40
csziggy May 2012 #62
Doremus May 2012 #24
proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #27
Lost-in-FL May 2012 #29
onehandle May 2012 #30
Thinkingabout May 2012 #32
secondvariety May 2012 #45
Thinkingabout May 2012 #50
obliviously May 2012 #35
lolly May 2012 #39
PatentlyDemocratic May 2012 #41
fascisthunter May 2012 #43
arely staircase May 2012 #58
fascisthunter May 2012 #42
Neue Regel May 2012 #46
Tutonic May 2012 #47
RainDog May 2012 #48
JI7 May 2012 #52
Quixote1818 May 2012 #59

Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:28 AM

1. I can, seriously, now lay this at George Bush's and Cheney's feet.

the terrorist shit.

Fucking fuck.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:32 AM

3. You mean

"turrurust" don't ya? The only cold comfort we have is that Bush and Dick are relegated to the borders of this country only, and forever.

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Response to lukkadairish (Reply #3)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:45 AM

10. It's "comforting" that they stay here? For whom? I'd like them anywhere BUT this country ... nt

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Response to TBF (Reply #10)

Fri May 18, 2012, 04:09 PM

28. Like nuclear waste, you really don't want your crap traveling around the world.

So you truly need to keep them home but isolated.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Fri May 18, 2012, 03:29 PM

25. yep

 

I agree..NYC....fucking fuck...

RawMoney/Zimmerman 2012 "the fucking fucked up motherfucking fucked up fuckers for president

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Fri May 18, 2012, 07:33 PM

37. George W. Bush spoke publicly and often about his belief

that we weren't at war with Islam and that Muslim Americans were Americans in every sense of the word. That and the fact that he created the Pacific Islands National Marine Sanctuary are the only good things I can say about the man.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #37)

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:55 PM

49. You can't unring that "Crusade" bell.

As long as Dumbya and Dick aren't in prison, there's no justice.

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Response to TahitiNut (Reply #49)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:05 PM

51. Easily the stupidest thing any president has ever said in my lifetime.

That bell can't be unrung. Those words will be remembered and repeated in the Islamic world for generations and used to inspire hatred for the United States. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be in prison. I backed Ramsey Clark's organization to hold Bush accountable. But alas, that ship appears to have sailed.

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #37)

Sat May 19, 2012, 08:05 AM

54. I liked that he wanted a good immigration policy.

Contrary to everyone else in the Republican party.

But that's about it.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sat May 19, 2012, 01:51 AM

53. The Bush/Cheney legacy lives on & on.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:31 AM

2. Calling HR hotline all the time

Sounds like his behavior as a "neighborhood watch captain." Didn't he call 911 several dozen times to report "suspicious" people?

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Response to lolly (Reply #2)

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:34 AM

4. Yes, he made the calls on his Suspiciousberry

Before heading down to the casino for a game of suspiciousjack.

D'you see where I'm going with this...?

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Response to nxylas (Reply #4)

Fri May 18, 2012, 11:46 AM

14. Yep...

He liked to suspiciousball people

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #14)

Fri May 18, 2012, 05:24 PM

34. "Pack up all my care and woe. Here I go. Singing low."

"Bye, bye, Suspiciousbird."

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Response to KansDem (Reply #34)

Fri May 18, 2012, 07:32 PM

36. you've just made my suspiciouslist...

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #14)

Sat May 19, 2012, 12:05 PM

56. His favorite songs are Suspicion by Terry Stafford and Suspicious Minds by Elvis

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Response to lolly (Reply #2)

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:42 AM

5. Or, because of his appearance, weight, skin tone, features, was a victim of Bullying....

And then the torment manifests itself into bullying of someone who, in turn, is even less powerful than himself.

Black kid, easy target for the bully victim who became a bully.

Classic pattern.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #5)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:10 AM

6. You mean, he's the type that identifies with the aggressor? If you can't beat them, join them? Has

no real value system of his own?

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #6)

Fri May 18, 2012, 11:53 AM

15. like mitt

bullies are usually subservient to bigger bullies.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #15)

Fri May 18, 2012, 08:22 PM

44. nailed it!

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #15)

Sun May 20, 2012, 08:11 PM

60. Bingo!

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Response to lolly (Reply #2)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:25 AM

8. He flat out is mental

been saying that all along, dude just is now wired right, and is pretty darn mean, too.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #8)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:42 AM

9. Yes, that sounds right

It also sounds like his well-connected, religious family refused to accept that their son might have problems, and covered up the tracks whenever his escalating mental illness caused trouble.

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Response to lolly (Reply #9)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:20 PM

22. ABSOLUTELY

this to me is THE STORY here.

It should never had drawn on "racial lines."

The story here is that clown DA and police not properly dealing with this situation from moment one because of his old man.

How ANYONE defends this clown is beyond me.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #8)

Fri May 18, 2012, 11:53 AM

16. Next thing Zimmerman's defense will be entering a insanity plea, he shot Martin because his medication

 

interfered with his "critical thinking skills". I'm not buying the mental thing. He was a racist bully that shot and killed an innocent young man, because he thought he could, and get away with it.

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Response to crunch60 (Reply #16)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:22 PM

23. Sure

"He was a racist bully that shot and killed an innocent young man, because he thought he could, and get away with it."

I agree.

I am not excusing it, but even as a bully, this clown just was not right.

Some serious obsessive compulsive behavior, some paranoid tendencies.

The other response highlights, his family has been able to protect him to this point.

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Response to crunch60 (Reply #16)

Fri May 18, 2012, 03:35 PM

26. mental issue

 

should never be used unless they had been institutionalized previously for more than 1 year.

this "insanity" plea thing needs to be thrown right out the door, isn't that what rightwingers complain about when "america is going to hell because we do not have Law and Order, because of insanity pleas"??????????????

but of course not in Zimmerman's case...why because it "A's hays rat ta killa thate thar blake kud"

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Response to liberalnationalist (Reply #26)

Wed May 23, 2012, 02:07 AM

64. They love that defense when it's one of their stochastic terrorist lone gunmen killing a liberal.

Oh, no, it's just an aberration! He was mentally ill!

Nothing to do with listening to GOP demagogues.

Nah, he's just a nut, not like rest of the Tea Party Terrorists.

Sure...



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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #8)

Mon May 21, 2012, 12:31 PM

61. +1

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:21 AM

7. I wonder how this would go over in the GD thread. Or his meds. n/t

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Response to vaberella (Reply #7)

Fri May 18, 2012, 11:38 AM

12. It's being discussed in GD, including his meds.

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:49 AM

11. That is very revealing

And shows just why Zimmerman was a time bomb just waiting to explode.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 11:39 AM

13. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #13)

Fri May 18, 2012, 12:52 PM

19. thanks

for being here Uncle Joe

peace, kpete

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 12:43 PM

17. Thanks so much !

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 12:48 PM

18. Unless these people are willing to stand up in court and testify to this,

these stories are meaningless. Even so, I have difficulty seeing how they will be relevant to the criminal case at hand, from a strictly legal standpoint. We can believe what we like about Zimmerman, such as believing that he stalked and murdered Trayvon Martin. But in order to send him to prison, it must be proven to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Can the prosecutor bring these statements into the court as evidence? After all, true or not, they are still hearsay at this point.

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Response to razorman (Reply #18)

Fri May 18, 2012, 04:47 PM

31. They are relevant to the ractial profiling issue which the Feds are supposedly investigating.

If Zimmerman is not convicted in state court, and even if he is, there is a possibility that he could face federal charges. I think it is remote at this point, but this testimony would be some evidence that Zimmerman profiled people who belonged to minorities he viewed as less popular than his own and made a lot of trouble for them.

The behavior this witness describes is very troubling.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #31)

Sat May 19, 2012, 10:14 AM

55. You could be right. Do you think the fact that Zimmerman himself is a minority will have

any bearing on charges of "profiling"? It should not matter, but it might.

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Response to razorman (Reply #55)

Sat May 19, 2012, 01:07 PM

57. Members of racial minorities can profile too.

That is not an assurance that a person will be fair in his reactions and assessments of others.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #57)

Fri May 25, 2012, 09:29 AM

66. Of course you are right about that. But, in strictly legal terms, relating to what can be proved

in court, I wonder if his minority status will affect whether a prosecutor will be willing to accuse him of profiling, among other possible charges. Also, is "profiling" actually illegal there?

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Response to razorman (Reply #55)

Wed May 23, 2012, 02:34 AM

65. For some reason I don't even think Zimmerman views himself as one

Probably because his father is a white male. He just strikes me as the type of who goes out of his way to trash other minorities because he assumes that will make him popular with the "dominate group." I knew a guy who had a white father and Hispanic mom like Zimmerman. He would make racist comments thinking that people would be cool with it. He was honestly one of the most racist people I've ever known.

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Response to Lilyeye (Reply #65)

Fri May 25, 2012, 09:34 AM

67. I do not know how Zimmerman might view himself in this respect. But, our public impressions of him

are pretty much irrelevant. Whether he is punished for what he did is up to the legal system, and relies on what can be proved in court. Since there appear to be no witnesses to the actual shooting itself, it seems to me that the state has a long way to go to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed second-degree murder. Personally, I think he did. But proving it in court is a different matter.

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Response to razorman (Reply #18)

Fri May 18, 2012, 07:39 PM

38. Don't know whether it's evidence

But it wouldn't be hearsay, which would be second-hand reporting of what somebody said or did--I heard somebody complain about being bullied by Zimmerman... etc.

It might be considered some sort of character/prior disposition type thing.

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Response to razorman (Reply #18)

Wed May 23, 2012, 01:54 AM

63. Reasonable doubt

There's no reasonable doubt whatsoever that he killed the kid. He admitted that. Many posters seem to be forgetting that point. There is a dead body that zimmerman killed. SYG law or not, he's going to be convicted of something even if it's plead down to involuntary manslaughter. He killed someone, for God's sake.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:08 PM

20. So he torments people both at work, and during his leisure time. What a right-wing hero.

How could this revelation not be taken as a promise he will always be a serious threat to everyone who doesn't meet with his approval, anyone with no way to protect himself, that is.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:12 PM

21. That should not be addmissible as evidence.

But I guess since this is Florida...

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Response to closeupready (Reply #21)

Fri May 18, 2012, 08:18 PM

40. Probably won't be able to unless the defense brings up character evidence first

I don't know about Florida's rules of evidence, but federal law (which most states largely follow) essentially prevents the prosecution from presenting character evidence until the defense brings it up first. The defense should focus on the injuries Zimmerman received.

Even though the defense will claim Trayvon Martin was the first aggressor, that only allows evidence of Trayvon's peacefulness, not Zimmerman's character.

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Response to PatentlyDemocratic (Reply #40)

Mon May 21, 2012, 12:51 PM

62. At the SYG hearing character may be all important

Zimmerman made it relevant the night of the killing when he lied to police about his background being "squeaky clean". His buddy Frank Taaffe made it important when he said Z was "ready to blow". His family and friends made it important when they gave Reuters their claims of Z's "choir boy" past.

I don't think the rules at at a SYG hearing are the same as at a trial, either, though I'm not a lawyer.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 03:13 PM

24. Zimmerman is a fruitbat who should have had his wings clipped long ago.

The man is likely certifiable and should have been put away for society's protection years ago.


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 03:49 PM

27. Sounds like a bad case of tattle tale-itis

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 04:10 PM

29. Damn, this guy is a piece of work! nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 04:15 PM

30. Just another gun culturist. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 05:19 PM

32. Another unstable person with a permit to carry

Hey all gun people, this type of person causes gun laws to happen, it is time for NRA to stand up and say some do not need to have guns in their possession.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #32)

Fri May 18, 2012, 08:26 PM

45. The NRA couldn't care less

who owns guns. They're nothing but lobbyists for the gun and ammo manufacturers-that's all they are. The only reason the NRA gives a shit about the 2nd Amendment is because it's profitable to do so.

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Response to secondvariety (Reply #45)

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:56 PM

50. You are so right, if it means getting a dime in their pocket

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 05:52 PM

35. An anonymous witness with heresay evidence

That should be enough to hang him I guess.

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Response to obliviously (Reply #35)

Fri May 18, 2012, 07:54 PM

39. Not the same as hearsay

"I heard he bullied other people" or "John said Zimmerman bullied him" would be hearsay.

"He bullied me" is not hearsay.

The claim that he reported people to HR constantly can be verified--or disproved--by looking at actual records.

It may or may not be admissible as relevant to this case, but it isn't hearsay.

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Response to lolly (Reply #39)

Fri May 18, 2012, 08:20 PM

41. Yep

Unless the defense foolishly opens Pandora's box by presenting character evidence first.

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Response to obliviously (Reply #35)

Fri May 18, 2012, 08:21 PM

43. no, but it's enough to make you post hyperbole

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Response to obliviously (Reply #35)

Sat May 19, 2012, 02:47 PM

58. you might want to look up hearsay nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 08:21 PM

42. mentally unstable

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 08:30 PM

46. Did this witness work in Human Resources at the company?

 

He makes this assertion:

“he was fired for calling HR hotline so many times…he would complain about each and every manager and employee.”


I'd be interested to see the reason given for Zimmerman's termination in the company's HR file. Also, this guy would have pretty strong grounds for a lawsuit against the employer if some of his other claims are true:

The man, who is not identified by name, says that Zimmerman relentlessly bullied him at work.

Zimmerman, according to the witness, targeted him because he was Middle Eastern. He repeatedly called the man a “fucking moron” and mocked him using the voice of “Achmed the terrorist.” Zimmerman’s stories about the man would involve “bombing,” “I’ll kill your family” and other “jokes” about “Middle Eastern stuff.” According to the man, this went on “for days and days.”


Where was management? Did he file any complaints with HR? Why would they fire Zimmerman for calling the HR hotline too many times, but not for repeatedly bullying and harassing a coworker?

It should be easy enough to substantiate or discredit the claims of this witness.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 08:48 PM

47. BROKEN NOSE

When you shoot a person at close range--there is ALWAYS blowback...where the force of the bullet being ejected from the metal causes the gun to pull up and back...always happens. Experienced gun owners know to hold the gun away from the chest or face area to avoid getting a split lip or nose fracture....sort of like what Zimmerman displays in the photos. NRA members knows this. SOrry that this is off topic but I'm tired of the lies being perpetrated in the media regarding how Martin fractured his nose. Oh and by the way--there is no medical evidence that his nose was broken, medical reports state "possible" nose fracture. MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NY TImes, LA TImes etc., do your job!!!!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 08:53 PM

48. what a charmer n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:23 PM

52. is that the same Job he worked at with Joe Oliver ?

i remember Lawrence o'donnell seemed to know more than he said when he referred to them working together. and how oliver seemed reluctant or ashamed when he brought it up. but they never gave details.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 03:10 PM

59. kick

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