Netanyhau: Hitler only wanted to expel Jews, but Jerusalem mufti told him to burn them

[geek tragedy]

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Source: Haaretz

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked public uproar when on Wednesday he claimed that the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was the one who planted the idea of the extermination of European Jewry in Adolf Hitler's mind. The Nazi ruler, Netanyahu said, had no intention of killing the Jews, but only to expel them.


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Look for Netanyahu to be the keynote speaker at Iran's next Holocaust 'revisionism' conference.

Here's the language in question copied and pasted directly from the Israeli government's website:

And this attack and other attacks on the Jewish community in 1920, 1921, 1929, were instigated by a call of the Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini, who was later sought for war crimes in the Nuremberg trials because he had a central role in fomenting the final solution. He flew to Berlin. Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, "If you expel them, they'll all come here." "So what should I do with them?" he asked. He said, "Burn them." And he was sought in, during the Nuremberg trials for prosecution. He escaped it and later died of cancer, after the war, died of cancer in Cairo. But this is what Haj Amin al-Husseini said. He said, ":The Jews seek to destroy the Temple Mount." My grandfather in 1920 seeks to destroy…? Sorry, the al-Aqsa Mosque.

http://www.pmo.gov.il/English/MediaCenter/Speeches/Pages/speechcongress201015.aspx
For the record, the Final Solution was fully underway well before Hitler met the mufti.

This should end his career, but won't.

David Irving made the same claim, that Hitler only wanted to deport them.

Yes, that David Irving.

http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/defense/evans/340c.html

[mountain grammy]

1. The man's a horror. sick, sick sick..

[wolfie001]

34. Yes to this!!! His words are incendiary!

I'm sure that's why he uttered them. His hold on power is reliant on this hatred.

[w0nderer]

2. When even Haaretz

treats you like WTF did you say?

you know you got problems

[geek tragedy]

5. Haaretz is the center-left paper in Israel. nt

[yodermon]

3. wtf? why would he say that?

is haaretz reliable? that literally makes no sense.

[geek tragedy]

7. You can read the speech at Netanyahu's own website:

http://www.pmo.gov.il/English/MediaCenter/Speeches/Pages/speechcongress201015.aspx

[still_one]

23. Haaretz is reliable. Why would he say that, because the Mufti was a virulent anti-semite, however,

Hitler's "final solution", was Hitler's own psychosis

[Yupster]

82. The SS had a few Muslim divisions.

They were used mostly to fight Serbian rebels and were very effective, if ruthless.

Here are some pictures of Muslim Nazis. Wish I was better at cut and paste but I'm an old guy.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=avg&hsimp=yhs-fh_lsonsw&type=ch.46.w81.hp.04-01.us.avg._.0915tb&param1=rVLLjtwgEPyVXMzNiIcBc-Bgz-xEkaIo2kyyx8g8PHY0fgQ83uTv0_Zo9hjlEAlBAdXdVBeu9yZTVomTIqR-yhUTPC_qiuf6UKm8ZKIWR36U9CAz5ZEbZgggmorFIm9oQYVSrJSCEIJ8MtW39-jajBcTRjQA0zbWto10wvGyUJ5ppwOlSmruPbWS5KWWglouCqoKQaVkgDWgQFThYOLacaUVQVvd1-WG5mjaiFZTYIpLLLRGh1uMYVw-N5fw9fmj6ZZlzniTsRbG8DuFJroON-sFu2mAoxl4CdbHRZp_ZbzdhWXc36VlTP6ETQKeHW7p2kOgTdPV9yEC6vrlugGZGijluxngphpwGAEPe6r_ph0yuj1jxoSq_8kqIB4hbIWgt0bB3ic4AI82CIgRWgCVnSh9WyzjgHm13_CKCeDOEcjtLnj0D8Gg_XvjNv37Axe3P3Br3b2TYNbG2pqCvoS4hvjhaM41y8-fzvnL6Ylw9BzaAN7Fh23pb76BSXFdIBtF_WwEwUxhSiimiqIpmZd-9NNreldiiqw5dHEaArLwTyQmyAVzjreAfqQ7-AM1&param2=browser_homepage&param3=ch.46.w81.hp.04-01.us.avg._.0915tb&p=ss+muslim+soldier+hitler

[still_one]

83. The idea that it wasn't Hitler's idea is outrageous

[iandhr]

52. Haaretz is a pretty good paper.

[ellenrr]

99. bec. he wants to discredit Palestinians even if it makes Hitler look good.

[yardwork]

104. Why would he say that? To stir up more hatred towards Palestinians.

[lark]

119. DING, DING

Getting rid of the Palestinians, preferably by violent actions, is always his chosen path. If it weren't for slave wages, there'd be no Arabs in Israel under little murderers reign.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. The conservative "intellectual of the day" (TImothy Snyder) blames Stalin for the Holocaust

so it's not surprising that the tactic travels freely.

Everyone but Hitler himself, apparently.

[geek tragedy]

8. I wonder what Abba Eban would make of all this. nt

[Recursion]

10. Where does he do that? I just read "Black Earth"

and he doesn't mention it in there. (Actually his argument about the Nazi's creation of "stateless" spaces and how crucial they were to the Final Solution was pretty interesting.)

[KamaAina]

75. "conservative intellectual"?

Isn't that an oxymoron?

[McCamy Taylor]

6. Speechless.

[AgingAmerican]

9. Nothing like throwing gasoline on the fire

To stir shit up. Always trying to spark uprisings. What a prick Netanyahu is.

[The Second Stone]

11. Netanyahu, if he actually said this, is completely insane.

The State Department should look into whether this happened and if so officially protest.

[geek tragedy]

13. There is video, and the language appears

at his own website.

[The Second Stone]

16. I dislike the man intensly, but his misunderstanding of Hitler here

is just beyond belief.

[Blue_Tires]

12. This is only going to get him MORE votes in the next election...

[Unemperor Justinian]

14. Ho.Lee.Shit.

I've seen him called 'Nutanyahu" in several comment sections, but I never thought the jab was LITERALLY true!

[Purveyor]

15. And to think, this lunatic is in command of a quite impressive nuclear arsenal... eom

[azurnoir]

17. strange the Mufti isn't listed as one of the attendees at the Wannsee Conference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

[jwirr]

40. Your link is a good one. It clearly shows

that the extermination of the Jews began long before the date given. And it also talks about where Jews immigrated to and most came to the USA and England. Some did go to Palestine.

This is just more of Netanyahu's war talk - it is the only reason they elect him.

[former9thward]

97. Totaly false

Not surprising from you. Both the U.S. and Britain rejected Jewish refugees. The British stopped refugees escaping from Germany attempting to go to Palestine and hundreds died drowning. Disgusting revisionist history.

[shadowmayor]

18. Countdown 3 2 1 . . .

Fox News will run this meme all day tomorrow and next week. The geniuses on the couch shows will all fall in line and Coultergeist will have a book about this nonsense in about 1 week. Hannity will use this message to pound the Muslims and Pat Buchanan will be the toast of right wing shows through Christmas. So fasten your seat belts, another round of insanity is about to invade our airways.

[left-of-center2012]

19. Have Netanyhau's friends in Congress commented?

No, I guess not.

[Unemperor Justinian]

20. No, but the Israeli Opposition has

From the Jerusalem Post:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's remarks to a Zionist conference in Jerusalem about the Palestinian mufti's role in persuading Hitler to exterminate European Jewry elicited angry responses from the opposition on Wednesday.

Zionist Union chairman Isaac Herzog took to Facebook, criticizing the premier for "factual errors."

"Even the son of a historian needs to get history right," Herzog wrote. "Yesterday, Netanyahu told the Zionist Congress that the Nazis didn't want to exterminate the Jews, but instead were seeking to expel them, and that it was the mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who gave the tyrant Hitler the idea [to commit genocide]."

"This is a dangerous distortion of history, and I demand that Netanyahu correct this immediately since he is trivialiazing the Holocaust," Herzog wrote.

"[Netanyahu] is minimizing Nazism and the role played by that awful tyrant, Adolf Hitler, in the terrible tragedy that befell our people in the Holocaust," the opposition chief wrote. "[The premier's comments] play into the hands of Holocaust deniers and pits them against the Palestinians."

Zevaha Galon of the left-wing Meretz party said Netanyahu's remarks show "the depths to which this man has sunk."

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Netanyahu-trivializing-Holocaust-by-claiming-mufti-persuaded-Hitler-to-kill-Jews-Herzog-says-427598

[still_one]

21. You cannot make up history like this and not expect repercussions. It is an embarassment. It seems

he may be losing his mind.

[still_one]

22. The Mufti of Jerusalem, was a terrible anti-semite, hated Jews, and admired hitler, but hitler's

hatred of the Jews was all his own, and to distort history this way minimizes what Nazi Germany did

[Jesus Malverde]

24. In his own words...

[Major Hogwash]

25. Someone should throw a net over Netanyahu.

He's nuts.

[n2doc]

26. Must be taking lessons from the Donald n/t

[Hoppy]

27. The Republican caucus in Congress has invited him to be the keynote speaker at their 2016 convention

Fox News is working on is accent so he can be a commentator when he retires from Israeli politics.

[renegade000]

28. i can't decide whether this is indicative of:

(A) A truly pathological racism against Arabs.

(B) A shameless ability to just throw things at the wall and see if it sticks in the service of propaganda.

Either way, yeesh...

Hell, it's probably a combination of the two.

[TubbersUK]

39. +1

[PeoViejo]

29. I still can't get over the Collective Punishment angle.

You would think Bibi might think twice about killing civilians that have more in common with Sephardim than Ashkenazim.

[waldo.c]

30. Evil hides behind many masks...

...and Netanyahu's is an ugly one.

[blm]

31. The Dick Cheney of Israel. Some here at DU catapult his BS as gospel.

He's a RW nut who never faces any punishment for his lies and arrogance.

[restorefreedom]

32. so, he is SYMPATHETIC to hitler?

just trying to fill in my "psycho world leaders" scorecard.

[fasttense]

37. Yes, he seems to be defending Hitler's actions

very strange.

Did he not know Hitler talked of mass extermination of the Jewish people in his book that he wrote in prison and published before he became Fuehrer?

[restorefreedom]

41. wow. perhaps i really hsve seen it all. nt

[Jack Rabbit]

49. No, he's not defending Hitler's action, but he is trying to shift the blame

The the Mufti was a Palestinian leader contemporary with Hitler and he was anti-Semitic. Netanyahu is trying to shift the blame for the Holocaust from Nazis to the Mufti and through him to all Palestinians.

That in itself is logically fallacious and historically inaccurate. Netanyahu's remarks can be condemned on those ground alone, but I fear that Netanyahu has a darker purpose to uttering such nonsense.

[Unemperor Justinian]

94. "I fear that Netanyahu has a darker purpose to uttering such nonsense."

Yep, I'm thinking exactly the same thing. Bibi was setting up future..."policy."

[uawchild]

33. Netanyhau is now a HITLER apologist? Good lord.

So, just to score political points at home against the Palestinians, Netanyhau thinks its a good move to become a Hitler apologist?

The man has gone beyond the pale and abandoned human decency. He's trivializing the Nazi horrors just to demonize the Palestinians now.

[geek tragedy]

35. yep, he and his kind think Arabs and Muslims are the root of all evil nt

[Jesus Malverde]

36. Masterminds of the final solution.

Talk about jumping the shark.

BDS has ripped them a new one.

[Fast Walker 52]

42. It's amazing how horrible this is. Netanyahu has gone off the rails

and needs to step away from office ASAP.

[Lychee2]

38. This is standard Israeli propaganda.

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If you visit Yad Vashem, the Holocaust museum in Israel, you go through a series of photgraphic exhibitions about the extermination of the Jews. At the end of the tour is a room with a picture of Haj Amin al-Husseini, where he is described as influential in the Holocaust.

A company of IDF soldiers was there the day I visited the museum. They were there as a part of their military indoctrination. All of them carried automatic weapons, but they were all very polite to the other visitors. I'm sure the anti-Palestinian propaganda message was not lost on them: Husseini = Hitler (more or less).

[cpwm17]

43. A museum built by the site of the Deir Yassin massacre against the Arabs

which was instrumental the Palestinian Nakba (catastrophe: ethnic cleansing of Palestine):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

A museum that vilifies the Palestinians, victims of a huge crime.

[Lychee2]

45. Interesting.

Of course they don't tell you that when you visit the museum.

It looks from Google Earth like the Israelis built a settlement over the site of Deir Yassin.

[Fast Walker 52]

44. seems like he took even that fact and walked it over the line

[Lychee2]

47. Really.

As if Hitler would take orders from Husseini--who, to Hitler, was just another untermensch .

[renegade000]

46. If only he had compared the dilemma of poor ol' Hitler with Pontius Pilate...

it would have elevated the comments to truly mind-blowing proportions, like a weird Mobius strip of extreme Zionism and anti-Semitism...

[geek tragedy]

48. he's like those weirdo anti-Semites who see Jewish bankers behind every catastrophe.

Just that he sees Arabs doing it.

[Iggo]

51. Netanyahu and Irving are openly defending Hitler?

Ballsy.

[imthevicar]

53. Like or not the Transfer agreement is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

[frizzled]

54. It seems Holocaust denial, or at least minimizing responsibility, is alive and well in Israel

nt

[lark]

55. The despicable lying little murderer.

Is there a worse person as the head of a nation, now that Shrub has gone? However, he is a much bigger racist than even Trump. Trump just wants to deport Hispanics, Bibi wants to kill all arabs.

[Sunlei]

56. I'm not sure because I don't study or follow hitlers words but I think he

never used the words "kill them all" but he sure did let everyone else under his 'command' get rid of the "Refugees" the "unwanted persons" anyway they wished.

It was an outright extermination of "unwanted, unliked" people, no doubt about that.

No doubt either that Israels neighbor countries want them dead then and now.

It still amazes me Israel was tough enough to beat-off Eqypt & Jordan with almost no help from any country (even the USA gov. would not sell Israel surplus WW2 planes or weapons, and there were huge piles of WW2 surplus)

[kelliekat44]

57. Israel has been punishing the wrong people for decades. It's almost like they give Germany a pass

and take all their hate out on the Palestinians.

[ellenrr]

100. the Palestinians serve as a scapegoat. Maintaining never-ending war on Palestine

keeps the county unified.
Distracts from corruption in govt.
Keeps the notion of "victimhood" alive and well.

[Nitram]

58. Netanyahu just took a page from Goebells's playbook.

How sad to see an Israeli emulate a Nazi.

[ellenrr]

101. the collective punishment that Israel metes out to Palestinians is a

good imitation of Nazism.
eg. destroying the home of relatives of alleged terrorists
eg destroying entire towns as they do during every assault on Gaza

[Lithos]

59. I think you all are missing the boat here...

First, there is no comparison to David Irving. Crossing that line is to focus on the wrong point and let those who want to proscribe a Jewish conspiracy the bully pulpit. Skip the emotion, focus on the trick he's trying to sell.

Go read a history about the evolution of David Irving's holocaust revisionism where his position did change to declaring that the Holocaust did not happen. He defended and supported the full on denial claims in the Leuchter report and that of Harwood's _Did Six Million Really Die?_ He was one of the major witnesses called by Zundel in his trial and his comments are very well known.

Since then he has gone on to claim only 30,000 died at Auschwitz, all of natural causes, the Holocaust is a fraud and an invention of British intelligence, that there were no gas chambers present there among other very noxious claims and that the Jews have continued this fraud as part of a grand conspiracy. He continues to also claim Hitler knew nothing because there was no proof and that actually Hitler was a friend of the Jews with all of the dirty work done by Himmler. (He back tracks all the time saying Hitler didn't know, because Himmler did it, but then there was no Holocaust because Hitler didn't know and it's really a conspiracy).

Netanyahu's comments do reflect a form of revision, but they are far from the same as the fully evolved stance taken by David Irving whose position is very much based in hate and bigotry and also very clearly articulated his position during cross-examination in several trials, including his own for Holocaust Denial. To try and equate the two individuals is offensive as it brings in a whole matter of statements which are false.

The conversation needs to be better framed as it's easy to miss the distinction. Look to what Israelis are saying:

To quote Moshe Zimmerman:

“He moves the responsibility of the Holocaust, for the destruction of the Jews, to the mufti and the Arab world,” Zimmermann told the paper. “This is a trick intended to stain the Arabs of today because of the Arabs of the past. To pile on the Arabs of the past by easing up on the Germans of the past.”

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Everket said:

"It is a sad day in history when the leader of the Israeli government hates his neighbor so much so that he is willing to absolve the most notorious war criminal in history, Adolf Hitler, of the murder of 6 million Jews."

The news here is just how strong the naked hatred Netanyahu has towards Arabs; it is so strong that he's more than willing to undercut Judaism in favor of his view of ultra-right wing Israeli nationalism.

There is a lot of similarity in tactics here to how Ted Cruz, Huckabee, Rubio, Trump, etal create a straw man based thinly on hate and bigotry to both play the victim card and to beat as a distraction to their own policies.

Repeating myself, to continue to link and discuss this in the context of people like Irving is to do exactly what the Holocaust scholars are fearing - opening up this wound to give bigots a free bullhorn. So many hate sites out there leverage their arguments in part as a Jewish conspiracy. Focus on the Netanyahu's blind hate, how he's no different from many other leaders whose power is based on maintaining hate and disharmony.

[Behind the Aegis]

60. +1

Way to break it down, and in doing so, exposing the hate being used to combat the hate supplied by Netanyahu. He is a shit leader, but he serves his purpose among those who hate Arabs and those who hate Israel and/or Jews.

[geek tragedy]

63. False equivalency.

There is no hate--certainly of the kind Netanyahu peddles--being deployed against him.

Those who hate Jews did not elect him.

[Behind the Aegis]

65. Yes, there is.

I said nothing about those who elected him.

[geek tragedy]

66. Moral indignation is not hate. nt

[Behind the Aegis]

67. It sure can be. Some have made it an artform nt

[geek tragedy]

68. And some prefer to cry wolf and use false accusations of bigotry

in order to silence criticism.

(1-6)

[ellenrr]

102. indeed! Using phony accusation of bigotry has a long history

and confuses the issue unnecessarily.

[geek tragedy]

62. I appreciate what you're saying, but I would disagree

that blind hatred from Netanyahu towards Arabs, Palestinians in particular, is news at all. Such venom towards them is very much part of mainstream discourse. Everyone knows that about Netanyahu.

He won the past election because such hatred resonated with voters. That blind hatred is the glue keeping his coalition together.

Even amongst 'liberal' supporters of Israel such currency is exchanged.

What is revealing--and damaging--here is that this moment reveals exactly how such hatred degrades those who carry it, to the point everything else--everything--gets sacrificed and diminished.

What Netsnyahu did is only part David Itving--you assiduously noted the difference. It also echoes The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the ancient blood libel of Jews as Christ-killers.

The story is that such blind hatred of Arabs will turn Jews into their historical persecutors. Such a notion is expressed often, but never illustrated so sharply as is the case here.

So, I think the story is not only the blind hatred, but the vivid demonstration of how it transforms its carriers.

[Lithos]

91. Netanyahu is a RW post-Zionist Israeli

The echoes with the Elders of Zion do not exist so much. The Elders of Zion deal with a pernicious Jewish conspiracy and Illuminati style machinations to rule and control the world often with overtones of Blood Libel against Christians. It also predates the holocaust. Netanyahu's statements concern the perception of the Holocaust and the relationship with this event and the founding of the modern state of Israel.

I call Netanyahu the first main post-Zionist Israeli politician of note. For most of Israel's history the idea of Zionism predated the Holocaust. The Holocaust represented a watershed moment and gave Zionism a sense of urgency, energy and anxiety for the founding of the modern state of Israel. Zionism looked backwards to this event to move forward. Hence the idea of "Never again".

Netanyahu represents the first break of this which is why I call him Right Wing post-Zionist. The left wing has long been associated with Post-Zionism as a break from Nationalism to focus more on the what does it mean to be an Israeli in terms of experience. However, I believe him to be first and foremost a person who does not define himself in terms of being Jewish, but being an Israeli.

L-

[geek tragedy]

105. It's hard to say what drives him besides ego and animus towards Muslims and Arabs.

He as a person is not very interesting.

His significance lies in the fact that Jewish Israeli voters really don't find anyone else acceptable to lead the country, because there's no differing policy path they want to consider. His smallness is preferred to the competing big ideas.

The appeal of Netanyahuism--to the point of being an addiction--is the compelling and disturbing dynamic.

[Lithos]

106. He is a very interesting individual

Because he represents a style of politician who succeeds based on fear and able to coalesce and work the many fragmented right wing and ultra-religious elements in Israeli politics.

However, Israel did not elect him, he just represents the head of a large party. Israel is parliamentary and voted enough people from his party so that he was able to organize a government with him as PM. This type of government is a lot less dependent on the cult of personality than that of the United States. Even his own party is distancing themselves from this comment.

Can't speak to why the left and moderates are having a hard time organizing themselves in Israel. I suspect it has to do with their inability to address the issues of the recent immigrants from Russia. Always wondered if this was a card the RW played as many of the Russian immigrants seem not so much interested in Israel, but a chance to get out of Russia (ie, having a Jewish connection was more of a ticket out of Russia then a reason).

[geek tragedy]

107. to me, he is a standard rightwing ultranationlist demagogue, almost cookie cutter.

He and Slobo Milosevic and Putin and Cheney are pretty much the same person, with some variance in IQ and personal wealth.

The Israelis voted for Likud, but he's the face of Likud, and for a security-obsessed country, 'strong leadership' does make the cult of personality very, very important.

It's also worth noting--and repeating if necessary--that Netanyahu is scarily enough the moderate in the parade of horribles that make up his coalition, including the Kahanist hilltop youth party, the two Ultra-Orthodox parties, along with Kulanu, which has turned out to be nothing more than a personality-oriented splinter group of hardline Likudniks.

And waiting in the wings is Avigdor Lieberman, technically a member of the opposition.

Why doesn't the center-left do better? To be blunt, because vast swaths of the public do not trust anyone but rightwingers to "keep us safe."

Israel's in a feedback loop--the general public there believes that threats must be met with force, with no negotiations taking place under duress. So, either the force and recalcitrance work, in which case it's "he keeps us safe, if it's not safe, why fix it?"--or if it doesn't work, that means that there wasn't enough force and there was too much willingness to negotiate, thus showing weakness.

The wartime mentality works for when there's an enemy to be defeated. When the enemy is already defeated, it death spirals into what we see in Israel.

Russian immigrants are one thing, but also don't forget that the Mizrahi/Haredi Jews generally despise Labor/ZU, not to mention Meretz, due to intra-Jewish ethnic tensions.

The center-left's base is secular Ashkenazis, but that base is diminishing in its relative size compared to other ethnic groups which are having more children and are still immigrating. And they've been unable to expand their appeal beyond that base.

The original institutions that Israel put in place have kept things together, more or less, and prevented a rapid descent into fascism.

But, how long can they hold up?

The twin death spirals--(1)occupation/settlements/physical integration with Palestinians/Palestinian violence and dysfunction; and (2) security obsessiveness/militarism/fascism--are producing a powerful undertow that combined with unfavorable demographic trends, makes optimism for its long-term viability extremely hard to justify, in my opinion.

[delrem]

64. The difference is in the different targets for the revisionist hate.

That isn't a difference in intent, which is the same: to cover for a mass crime against a people.

Another difference is that Netanyahu is PM of Israel and as PM leads a decades long and still ongoing drive to demonize, ethnically cleanse and otherwise rid the area of its Palestinian population, whereas David Irving was a propagandist lacking any such power.

[red dog 1]

76. + 1

You're absolutely right about how "he's no different from many other leaders whose power is based on maintaining hate and disharmony"

I immediately thought of Vladimir Putin.

[Lithos]

88. Thank you

Putin is an excellent example...

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[happyslug]

61. The meeting that set up the Death Camps was in December 1941, after the meeting in question

Now, the SS had sent in troops to shoot Jews and Communist in Russian controlled areas between the Soviet Border post 1939 and Moscow during operation Barbarossa (June 1941 to December 1941) but the actual death camps is a 1942 invention.

Now, Concentration Camps started earlier, and they were NOT nice. For Example Auschwitz started out to contain Poles in 1940, then Russian POWS in 1941 (and in both cases you saw a huge lost of life, mostly through neglect and starvation) but only a true death camp in 1942:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

Thus, Hitler had started killing Jews and other "Sub humans" in 1940, but what we call a true "Death Camp" is the product of 1942 (Camps set up NOT to store people till they died, but to actually kill them as their came to the camp).

Thus you can make an argument that Hitler first choice was to expel the Jews from Europe, but Hitler's definition of expellition included killing them.

Just pointing out that Netanyahu is doing "good propaganda" i.e. citing facts that support his position but ignoring facts that show his conclusion is without merit. i.e. Hitler did not want to kill the Jews till after Hitler talked to the Muffi, for Hitler did not set up death camps till after that meeting but ignoring the SS death squads running all over the place in the Soviet Union, but behind the German lines, killing Jews left and right prior to that meeting (and the "failure" of those groups to kill enough Jews was the "reason" the SS set up the Death Camps starting in December 1941):

More on the SS killing squads:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen

Massacre at Babi Yar September 1941:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

70. Godwin's Law at work

Godwin's Law essentially says, "In any discussion, he who mentions Hitler/Nazis first, loses."

[Yupster]

81. That's funny

Didn't realize it was mathematical.

[NastyRiffraff]

71. Must be doing some really bad crack

If true, this guy has completely lost it.

[KamaAina]

73. Has he been to Toronto lately?

Maybe Rob Ford is supplying him.

[yurbud]

72. I'm seeing an SNL skit

[KamaAina]

74. Jebus! What's Netanyahoo's name in the Creative Speculation group?

[Enrique]

77. leave Hitler alone!

[red dog 1]

78. When are the people of Israel going to vote this dangerous liar out of office?

I hope this incident at least makes the Israeli voters THINK about replacing him.

Netanyahu & his ultra-right-wing Likud Party needs to go anyway, if there is ever to be a peace treaty with the Palestinians.

Perhaps it's time for the Labour Party to take over again?
(Labor Party?)

[frizzled]

110. You're in denial if you don't think he represents the Jewish Israeli people pretty well

They don't want peace, or an end to the occupation, and especially the young people hate and fear Arabs.

Indeed many members of his coalition like Shekelet and Bennett make Netanyahu look moderate. Netanyahu just says racist bigoted things, these others call for genocide.

It's heading towards outright fascism.

[ellenrr]

128. I agree. I think he reflects the racism and blood-thirst of a part of the population,

as well as, his statements encourage people to take up vigilantism.

Which is why I think an International Protective Force is necessary as called for here:
https://www.thenation.com/article/palestine-besieged/

As a Jew, who was raised to think being Jewish and being for social justice were synonymous, -
to view Israelis beating someone to death bec. of his skin color is revolting.

[frizzled]

133. This article's extremely disturbing and relevant

Confessions of an Israeli Traitor

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/23/confessions-of-an-israeli-traitor

[ellenrr]

134. it is! nt

[ellenrr]

129. this is relevant too:

Israel: in the death throes of a racist dream

"The new escalation to eradicate Palestine now is to enlist the civilian population of Israel to arm itself and join their military thugs against our unarmed civilian population.

Israel has made and remade the mistake of every colonial enterprise before them, because colonialism always arrives with a sense of supremacy that does not look upon native peoples as human. That is why Israel has always underestimated us (Palestinians). They do not understand, nor do they appreciate, that we possess the most impulsive human lurch toward freedom; that our instinctive tendency is firmly toward dignity.

http://roarmag.org/2015/10/israel-racist-occupation-palestine-resistance/

[PatrynXX]

79. I actually was shocked at hearing this. A Jewish leader defending Hitler ? WTF

someone give him some Poppies ??

[Stuart G]

80. Op is the worst statement ever made by this idiot.

So awful, that it demeans the entire country of Israel.

[Chemisse]

84. Am I paranoid, or could he be building up excuses for a massacre of Palestinians?

I think he has Hitler-envy, and would like nothing better than do to them what Hitler did to the Jews.

That may seem a little over the top, but this man is just horrific.

[Depaysement]

85. Plan Dalet lives! nt

[blackspade]

86. Fucking disgusting.

What a lying sack of shit.

[JackInGreen]

87. It's October

But I guess it's spring time!
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[Leontius]

89. Yes it's true, Netanyahu is wrong but it's a good thing that peole are made aware

of what a piece of shit this pig al-Husseinni was.

[geek tragedy]

90. that has never been in dispute. He barely escaped trial at Nuremberg nt

[Leontius]

92. Most people have no idea who and what he was.

So learning about him is a good thing.

[SunSeeker]

93. Wow.

Netanyahu makes me

[Spitfire of ATJ]

95. On the bright side Netanyhau just proved Holocaust denial is on the political Right....

But then, so is fascism, despite the efforts of the Right to deny that too.

Can we possibly hope this links Holocaust denial to the Likud Party? They have always claimed they are the party of national security when all they are is a bunch of war mongers who attack their helpless neighbors at the slightest pretext to score votes from an electorate that they pump full of fear.

[roamer65]

96. Actually, the Nazis got the idea to use Zyklon B from another country.

The United States used it after 1929 in the arena of Mexican immigration.

Nuttyyahoo needs to shut his fucking yapper.

[irisblue]

116. I googled Zyklon B +United States usage and got no hits for the first 10 pages

would you post your source?

[roamer65]

120. Here's a mention of it from NPR.org

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5176177

Scroll down to the story from Jan 28, 2006.

[irisblue]

121. thanks

[jfern]

98. It's time to cut all foreign aid until they aren't run by an insane lunatic

[frizzled]

111. The problem here is you're just encouraging paranoia and North Korea mentality

The nuclear-armed Jewish Israelis have talked themselves into believing the whole world is against them. Losing American support will just embolden the real messianic crazies, convinced the End Times are upon them.

There's no easy way out of here. I don't think a peaceful solution is possible any more.

Everyone talks about the two state solution, and some dreamers speak of a one state solution, but I think a no state solution is unfortunately the most likely long term outcome. A civil war, possibly nuclear, in Israel, and absolute chaos in Palestine.

[fingrin]

103. Lies

“Al-Husseini was removed from office by the British in 1937. At the time he met Hitler he didn’t even represent the people of Palestine. He wasn’t the ‘Grand Mufti’ of anywhere, least of all Jerusalem” -

See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/netanyahus-solution-palestinian#sthash.cL9Cu86Y.dpuf

[randome]

108. Hitler only wanted to paint pretty pictures until the Grand Mufti talked him out of it.

On his deathbed, Hitler said about deportation: "And I would have gotten away with it, too, if not for that meddling mufti!"
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[geek tragedy]

112. Because if there's one group of people the Nazis obeyed, it was Arabs nt

[frizzled]

109. It's encouraging that America finally seems to be getting sick of Netanyahu's bigoted BS

These fanatics in charge have finally got a long enough rope to hang themselves with.

[librechik]

113. I'm told this notion is a debunked CT

why should I believe it's debunked when Bibi thinks it's orthodoxy?

[geek tragedy]

115. just checking to be safe . . .

snark?

[librechik]

117. ...

[geek tragedy]

118. lulz

there are some who post here whose superpower is to write things that seem like snark but are not

[Babel_17]

114. Sorry Mr. Prime Minister, we wouldn't let anyone else off the hook for this

It would be the end of anyone's career and/or credibility to advance this idea.

[roamer65]

122. The world gone insane.

That's what I call it when an Israeli PM becomes a Hitler apologist and takes a collective shit on the graves of 6 million plus of his own people...just to take a stab at Muslims.

Even Chancellor Merkel corrected him and said "No, you are wrong. Germany bears the responsibility."

[ellenrr]

123. Flash! Netanyahu: Palestinians to blame for global warming.

[geek tragedy]

124. and New Coke. And Cop Rock. nt

[ellenrr]

125. US neo-Nazis: Netanyahu is right about Hitler and the Jews

"The Daily Stormer website says Nazi leader never planned to exterminate Europe’s Jews, wanted to peacefully deport them to Palestine"

http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-neo-nazis-netanyahu-is-right-about-hitler-and-the-jews/


Netanyahu keeps good company!

[Katashi_itto]

127. So Hitler was really just a nice guy forced into doing all those nasty bad things by those

nasty, bad Palestinians?

Wow...

[yurbud]

131. Hitler: "Mufti, I just wanted the Jews to have a better life somewhere else."

[Katashi_itto]

132. Israel Elected this guy.

......just wow.

Course we have Ben "Handmaid's Tale" Carson

And a pretend democrat in the lead.

[Strelnikov_]

130. Well, it's working for Trump n/t

[ellenrr]

135. By calling the Palestinians Nazis, the Israeli prime minister was saying

they can never be negotiated with — that Israel must fight them to the bloody end.

Despite the festival of mockery taking place on social media, Benjamin Netanyahu clearly does not believe that Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini is more responsible than Hitler for the Holocaust. (Although that is exactly what the prime minister said in his speech at the World Zionist Conference on Tuesday.) Netanyahu is a smart guy who knows World War II history better than most of his critics. The idea that the mufti is responsible for the extermination of European Jewry is completely absurd, and Netanyahu knows that. Just like he explained the next day, he wasn’t even talking about the Nazis, and he certainly never meant to absolve them for the Holocaust. The prime minister was trying to make a statement about the Palestinians and that’s the real problem.

http://972mag.com/the-real-problem-with-netanyahus-mufti-speech/113138/