Smoking gun emails reveal Blair's 'deal in blood' with George Bush over Iraq war
Source: Daily Mail
Smoking gun emails reveal Blair's 'deal in blood' with George Bush over Iraq war was forged a YEAR before the invasion had even started - despite claiming he wanted peace
A bombshell White House memo has revealed for the first time details of the deal in blood forged by Tony Blair and George Bush over the Iraq War.
The sensational leak shows that Blair had given an unqualified pledge to sign up to the conflict a year before the invasion started.
It flies in the face of the Prime Ministers public claims at the time that he was seeking a diplomatic solution to the crisis.
He told voters: Were not proposing military action in direct contrast to what the secret email now reveals.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277402/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-Blair-s-deal-blood-George-Bush-Iraq-war-forged-YEAR-invasion-started.html
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,361 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)as she had the right and obligation to do.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Try to think more critically.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Maybe she just wasn't paying attention.
cprise
(8,445 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/us/politics/historians-critique-of-obama-foreign-policy-is-brought-alive-by-events-in-iraq.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/opinion/sunday/are-neocons-getting-ready-to-ally-with-hillary-clinton.html
She knows what she is doing... a slick psychopath.
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Most D.U. readers also knew. Millions of people protesting before the start of the war also knew.
Hillary had more information than we did.
Either she is stupid, she is gullible or she is feckless.
Ya gotta choose one. Let me know which one you choose.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,154 posts)It was d, she saw that her chances of winning over the majority for becoming President as non-existent if she voted against it. Or rather the risk was too great that they just might find WMDs of some sort, and just maybe also the US army might very well secure the country quickly and install a fair democracy. She knew that she would already be attacked mercelesly by Fox and friends on hate radio in her bid for the Presidency, but that IF she was on the wrong side she would be smeared as "anti-troops" "anti-American" and weak on defense.
I say this as a Bernie supporter. And I'm not making excuses. Just being real about it. And if she only voted for it for political reasons to look "tough", then that further cements her reputation of only interested in power for powers sake. She only says it was a mistake because she probably did not even want to vote that way but I'm sure Bill and others in the DLC advised her strongly to vote against her conscience in this instance. I mean Bill also advised Gore to come out strongly against gay marriage in his run. Not because it was wrong, but as a way to shore up independents votes.
I don't even totally blame her for that. It was cowardly but understandable in the atmosphere of the day. And it wouldn't stop me from voting for her if she were the only choice. But the fact that we have an alternative candidate that actually stood his moral ground, damn the consequences, is much more preferable than a weathervane politician.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Why?
DhhD
(4,695 posts)And, IMO, a bad war hawk decision going along with it being a short, Mission Accomplished, promise from Bush, and maybe Bill, in my opinion. IMO, she made a grave mistake voting yes, knowing that the Intel was a lie. General Shinseki said we would need over 400,000 troops on the ground. What a quagmire.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/timeline/062793.htm
Darb
(2,807 posts)it was deemed necessary for the inherent safety of our country. The president at the time, chose to go to war. Nice try, the war is on Bush and those that voted for him. Clue in.
harun
(11,348 posts)declare war and passing the buck to the Executive should have been criminal whether the Executive chose to use that authority or not.
Look at the standard list of third way DINO's who voted in favor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#United_States_Senate
** These DINO's are the problem, not the solution....
Lincoln (D-AR)
Nelson (D-FL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Cleland (D-GA)
Bayh (D-IN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Nelson (D-NE)
Clinton (D-NY)
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Is that so hard for you to follow even with your filters on? It simply amazes me the degree of rationalizations Hillary supporters come up with. I cant stop Bush but we can stop Hillary because she is one of ours representing US and we have a duty to police and maintain integrity within our own party. And the MAIN POINT of my comment was that just because Tony Blair was a liberal it MEANT NOTHING. He was a traitor...a war criminal...using the liberal party to mask his crimes and collaborate with the enemy...the enemy being the war mongering conservatives. Certain liars were installed by Big Money in the liberal parties to have all bases covered. How can you be so blind? We all wonder how Republicans can be so blind and obtuse but this is a perfect example to understand how that mindset works as it happens in our own ranks. Lemmings.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)the ones who lied and cheated and schemed.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)without someone tying every OP to a primary shit fight.
cprise
(8,445 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I never said anything about 911. But maybe you should hold Bush responsible for that and while youre at it ask Hillary why she has the rare honorary title of Bush Family Member. The woman voted for the Iraq war and that support meant a lot to those chearleading the effort. The point is we have to clean up our own house because thats who we can affect. Your comment is a joke.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)There are many who think like you. Many of them republicans. You probably can't admit that Hillary takes money from the private prison industry.
still_one
(91,965 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)He resembles our DNC leadership. Collaborators. This needs to be addressed. Wassermann-Schultz is a lot like Hillary too. A bunch of rotten apples.
still_one
(91,965 posts)general discussion forum to create flame bait in LBN, and distract from the OP of this thread, so it can turn into a bashing thread against a candidate you don't support.
and your response to me only confirms that I am correct, by now bringing in the DNC and DWS into an OP about Blair.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)FarPoint
(12,209 posts)Hillary is and will be our Democratic Nominee.... This thread is not about her...it's a reminder of how devastating a GOP President was to American...
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The primaries are over? Man, I slept a lot longer than I thought I did.
FarPoint
(12,209 posts)Realistically, the game at hand is not about idealistic goals. For that to happen, we Democrats would have to regain control of the House and Senate to even consider his agenda....Hillary had already done her background work...secured a strong grassroots organization, key endorsements essential for the Democratic Nomination. Biden would be her only threat making Bernie in third place verses second.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)There has been no primary yet.
patsimp
(915 posts)swilton
(5,069 posts)hoping of course she doesn't get elected.
Austerity, a hawk....etc., etc.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)She'll say and do anything to achieve that goal.
Her stance on gay marriage proves that. She may have always thought gays should have the right to be married but she wouldn't say it until the polls said at least 50% of Americans agreed. I just don't trust her to stand up for progressive or even basic humanistic ideals.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)gvstn
(2,805 posts)Hillary would start a war to prove that a woman can be strong. Something I just don't trust about her. Brand be damned.
I'll have a hard time pulling the lever for her if she is our candidate.
BlueCollar
(3,859 posts)I'm not a big fan of hrc but to link her to this story is just bulk%!@$ !!!
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The point is war mongers so can be democrats too. Especially if they are corrupt and beholden to Bush Sr like Tony and Hillary. Can you read?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)The documents, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, are part of a batch of secret emails held on the private server of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton which U.S. courts have forced her to reveal.
SpankMe
(2,937 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)This Nation has no claim to being anything more than a tyrannical empire until such time as these criminals are handed over to The Hague.
forest444
(5,902 posts)His instructions were to, in fact, request a U.S.-led invasion to recover, for BP and Shell, the massive oil reserves Iraq nationalized in 1972.
Indeed, contrary to common belief most Iraqi oil output since then has been controlled not by U.S. firms; but by BP, Shell, and China National Petroleum (they did finance the war, after all). They do not technically own the oil; but extract it through concessions from the BP-controlled Iraq Petroleum Company.
The "Iraq Petroleum Company" was the very name of the Anglo-Dutch concern that controlled Iraqi oil from its establishment during the Lawrence of Arabia era, until its nationalization by the Baath Party in 1972.
Mission Accomplished.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Which oil companies got the oil.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Apprently was typing while you posted.
marym625
(17,997 posts)If you thought it was "Blood for Oil"--you're wrong. It was far, far worse.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026398349
Duppers
(28,094 posts)These facts answer my many questions.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)I'd also like to send it out but need some links.
THANK YOU!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)I found this link to a Guardian article in my files.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,649917,00.html
14 February 2002
The Pentagon and the CIA have begun preparations for an assault on Iraq involving up to 200,000 US troops that is likely to be launched later this year with the aim of removing Saddam Hussein from power, US and diplomatic sources told the Guardian yesterday.
President George Bush's war cabinet, known as the "principals committee", agreed at a pivotal meeting in late January that the policy of containment has failed and that active steps should be taken to topple the Iraqi leader. . . .
France, Germany and others in the European Union have been queuing up to make clear to Mr Bush that they will not support him in military action against Iraq. The German foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, this week joined the French foreign minister, Hubert Védrine, in expressing publicly his concern about US policy towards Iraq.
But Tony Blair and the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, have refused to join the public outcry. A Foreign Office official said yesterday that military action was not imminent, but would be "a question of months".
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)that the Brits would nail Blair's ass to the wall...only a brain blip on my part...
Monk06
(7,675 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Thanks for the thread, JohnyCanuck.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Duppers
(28,094 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:56 AM - Edit history (1)
On her private server!
Wow! The implications there!
So, she knew?!
This get juicer and juicer. But NOTHING will come of it. However, wouldn't it be lovely if this was brought up in the rethugian hearings regarding her emails. Of course, it would be in the closed door talks.
Edited to add--- What will we hear from the American press on this?
Dead silence.
cprise
(8,445 posts)Bush neoconservatives forming bipartisan alliance: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141236463#post23
Maybe she didn't have the email back when she voted on IWR?
Does anyone know?
.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I hope I live long enough to see these criminals convicted of half the crimes they committed.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)If it was Al Gore that ignored all those warnings, and looked the other way so 9/11 could happen, the Republicans would have hung him on the White House lawn.
Republicans don't care how evil or scummy and action is, if it a Republican doing it.
Denying climate change.
Cutting food stamps.
Trying to gut Social Security.
Lying about WMD's and everything else.
The list goes on for miles......
GOD I HATE REPUBLICANS
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Children who have suffered
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rigid, autocratic, and unfair standards of child rearing, or to childhood abuse,
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The Art Of Forgiveness: Differentiating Transformational Leaders
Anyone who loves America hates everything having to do with the Republican Party.
Analyze that......
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I should have explained what I was talking about.
In general, I see the republican party as one comprised of damaged children; Vengeance, lack of empathy, authoritarianism, selfishness, and pretty much everything that makes a human bad.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Republicans are destroying my country to stay in power.
I am beyond angry.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Most all republicans are such non-caring @ssholes. Most all of them had and are authoritarian parents, handing down the sickness generation after generation.
This doesn't mean that we need to overlook them, nor even forgive them. Indeed, they have and are destroying everything. Fuck them. (a bit of a catch 22.)
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)Gandhi said that he had seen children "overcome an evil inheritance," and he attributed that to purity being a natural attribute of human beings.
It's interesting how things like homophobia and sexism get passed down through families, and how ardently supportive of "family values" those twisted CONs are.
No doubt many of them have deeply wounded inner children. The question that remains unanswered: is there enough purity in the world to teach them to love themselves and others? What will it take to replace their hatred with understanding and compassion?
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)That's what I see in nature. There are no longstanding ruminations. The adrenaline pumps, and then it's over.
That is my experience, at least. I saved a crow which now lives near me. He found a "wife", and they had a child. While watching the child grow up, it suddenly disappeared. Crows don't chase their young away. They weren't mourning. However, crows do possess keen memory. And they send messages down through generations. Like "beware of humans, they launch stuff at us". Sure enough, I killed a wild turkey one day, that was full of vermin, to relieve it of it's misery, and the one time my crows went crazy was then. If I hold anything, they are uncomfortable.
My belief is that experiences change our DNA. That then gets passed through to the future generations. My grandmother was a wealthy child who had to leave Turkey during the genocide. She left riches to live a life of poverty, among other horrors. My dad had that as his platform in life, gazing in at his mother having an operation on the kitchen table shortly after his dad had died. I got some real shit to deal with. This is why the crows do so well. They're living in the present moment. The past is remembered for important things, and next year they'll build a nest and have another baby. The future doesn't exist except in some instinctual way, for them. Our genes play a role in how big a hill we have to climb in order to become present, without the judgement and baggage.
I call it "balanced". I said it here before, and didn't get much response. Jimmy Carter is balanced. George Bush is not balanced. Jimmy has empathy. It's not all about him. George was a mess in college, wrecking at least one apartment, and splitting, and numerous blunders afterward, including wars that cost the world dearly.
I don't know, I feel strongly about this because not only have I gone through it, but it seems like the one thing that can easily change the world. I know there are many out there who share this, Gandhi being one.
This is also why I believe we should have potential representatives take tests that effectively measure their levels of empathy, and balance. These tests exist, and are used. As it stands, we've got a majority of people in office who shouldn't even be there.
I used to question these thoughts, but the longer I live the more reinforcement they seem to get. Healthy people, and a healthy society. That should be the bottom line.
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)Everything is relative to everything else. We measure our own responses by what our society and culture determine to be acceptable, for example.
Your crow story is interesting. I have read, BTW, that crows are very perceptive, and that they remember the faces of humans who have helped or hurt them.
Bringing real, meaningful balance to America will require a shift towards the left that will present nothing less than a revolution . . . Real balance. Now THERE is an American Dream!
But mostly I agree with you. There are many successful sociopaths who are gainfully employed as CEO's of well-known corporations, BTW. Exxon's, for example, knew of global warming in the 1970's but decided not to "alarm" the public. And we have too many CEO's/Business-People/Professional Sociopaths in Congress.
Some might argue that Mother Nature is not forgiving at all: that Her homeostasis maintains the law of physics requiring for every action, an equal, opposite reaction. Some would call that karma. But forgiveness is always for the self, as none of us are truly fit to sit in judgment of another person: only in judgment of someone's actions.
Releasing those inner, wounded children can be a matter of forgiving ourselves for not being able to be what our own parents wanted us to be. I know this, as I was a child of emotional abuse and neglect, myself. And I've been liberal since I was old enough to know the meaning of the word.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)We forgive ourselves for not staying in our hearts. We forgive ourselves for not seeing ourselves and others as divine.
Thank you Utopian Leftist and Gregorian for bringing us back to what is real.
I too had abusive conservative parents and have connected with liberal since I can remember.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)When it shows on a balance sheet.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Lychee2
(405 posts)I wonder how many more of these they will have to find before someone arrests her.
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
4139
(1,893 posts)Who sent it to Hillary and did Hillary send it to anyone? The article doesn't say...but will likely be the news some time soon.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Then the American press would have to cover these documents damaging BushJr. Will that happen?
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)People always bring up Mrs.Clintons 'vote', she was lied to as well!
Look at the "investments" back in those times. Cheney leading the charge for billions in federal funds for war 'for profits'. Jeb Bush leading the real estate charge to build a real estate/mortgage bubble using more Federal money.
And their entire 'empire' raping OUR PUBLIC LANDS with 'almost free leases' for our resources.
valerief
(53,235 posts)It was going to happen, and SCOTUS made it happen.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Dailymail is a tabloid source. Do you happen to have any other more legitimate sources?
Please tell me you do.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Both men are long out of office and wealthy now.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Our world is one fucked up place.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)Despicable, vileness .... Bush Cheney lied and should be in prison along with Blair. It ain't ever going to happen but the truth needs to be yelled out form every place, for the sake of history.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Instead, she's just been saying her vote to give them that war was a vague "mistake", and continued playing along with their lie.
We're being played. Still.
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)If she is the Democratic nominee, then I will voted for Clinton. If it's Sanders, then I would vote for him.