Thu May 17, 2012, 04:49 PM
alp227 (20,488 posts)
U.S. Slaps High Tariffs on Chinese Solar PanelsLast edited Thu May 17, 2012, 04:58 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Source: NYT
The United States Commerce Department announced on Thursday the imposition of anti-dumping tariffs of more than 31 percent on solar panels from China, a decision certain to infuriate Chinese officials already upset after recent bilateral frictions over China’s human rights policies and its increasingly confrontational approach towards American allies like the Philippines and Japan. The anti-dumping decision is one of the largest in American history, covering one of the largest and fastest-growing categories of imports from China, the world’s largest exporter. The department said the United States bought $3.1 billion worth of Chinese solar cells last year, giving China more than half the American market for the devices. Chinese officials have been indignant at American criticism of their solar power industry, pointing out that the United States has urged China for years to embrace renewable energy as a way to reduce air pollution, combat climate change and limit the need for oil imports from politically volatile countries in the Mideast. Government support for solar energy is an important feature of China’s current Five-Year Plan, which runs through 2015, although Premier Wen Jiabao publicly cautioned in March that he was becoming concerned about overcapacity in the sector. The Chinese solar panel industry threatened in November that if the United States puts heavy tariffs on Chinese exports, then the Chinese industry would file a trade case at the Chinese commerce ministry against American exports of polysilicon. Produced mainly in Tennessee and Washington state, where hydroelectric dams produce cheap electricity, polysilicon is the main ingredient in solar panels. Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/business/energy-environment/us-slaps-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html?pagewanted=all
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| alp227 | May 2012 | OP | |
| bluesbassman | May 2012 | #1 | |
| Dont call me Shirley | May 2012 | #2 | |
| xtraxritical | May 2012 | #3 | |
| TheWraith | May 2012 | #18 | |
| Vincardog | May 2012 | #4 | |
| alp227 | May 2012 | #17 | |
| Vincardog | May 2012 | #22 | |
| IamK | May 2012 | #5 | |
| FogerRox | May 2012 | #8 | |
| Ikonoklast | May 2012 | #10 | |
| marble falls | May 2012 | #6 | |
| SkatmanRoth | May 2012 | #7 | |
| cheapdate | May 2012 | #12 | |
| FogerRox | May 2012 | #9 | |
| truthisfreedom | May 2012 | #11 | |
| OneAngryDemocrat | May 2012 | #13 | |
| magic59 | May 2012 | #14 | |
| NickB79 | May 2012 | #15 | |
| Fearless | May 2012 | #16 | |
| JayhawkSD | May 2012 | #19 | |
| 4th law of robotics | May 2012 | #23 | |
| Left Coast2020 | May 2012 | #20 | |
| hmmy786 | May 2012 | #21 |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 04:53 PM
bluesbassman (12,900 posts)
1. A little too late to help Solyndra unfortunately. n/t
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 04:54 PM
Dont call me Shirley (1,395 posts)
2. It's about time. Raise ALL tariffs on imported goods.
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That will definitely bring back jobs to the US.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 04:54 PM
xtraxritical (2,988 posts)
3. How about subsidies for American solar panel producers instead of "big oil"?
Response to xtraxritical (Reply #3)
Thu May 17, 2012, 09:51 PM
TheWraith (24,331 posts)
18. The US subsidizes renewable energy to the tune of $15 billion per year. nt
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 04:55 PM
Vincardog (17,416 posts)
4. A move to protect OIL? Suprise suprise suprise.
Response to alp227 (Reply #17)
Fri May 18, 2012, 02:22 PM
Vincardog (17,416 posts)
22. Tariffs to protect the energy companies from all that CLEAN competition.
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You notice or government does nothing to protect US workers from Chinese slave wage competition.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:51 PM
IamK (956 posts)
5. tariffs just raise prices to consumers due to less compettion.... n/t
Response to IamK (Reply #5)
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:44 PM
FogerRox (12,687 posts)
8. Tariffs just... JUST? . . . .. . . J U S T ?
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Gimme a break.....
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Response to IamK (Reply #5)
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:34 PM
Ikonoklast (21,639 posts)
10. Dumping products below cost of production in foreign markets does, too.
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It eliminates your competition, after which you can raise prices to just below the painful level.
China does *not* practice fair trade in anything; they are in it to eliminate every competitor. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:58 PM
marble falls (1,910 posts)
6. A move keep further Solyndras from happenning. The Chinese subsidise their solar tech forms, we ....
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export our jobs and dollars. Its about time. What took so long? The Chinese are building solar panels and we subsidize a profitable and ultimately zero sum energy industry: big oil. Big oil hates this tariff. At some point they will figure out how to speculate profitably from solar and then who do you think they want want to buy solar panels from: cheap China or a viable US market???? Specially with "buy US requirements".
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:13 PM
SkatmanRoth (135 posts)
7. China needs to clean up the Silicon TetraChloride it dumps into the Earth
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I see nothing wrong with slapping them with an Environmental Tariff until they meet the same standards that companies in the United States have to meet.
We enjoy our Chinese toys while they ignore any and all pollution standards to keep costs low. The low costs are temporary as we all live on the same planet. |
Response to SkatmanRoth (Reply #7)
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:08 PM
cheapdate (486 posts)
12. Exactly. It's called a level playing field.
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 06:50 PM
FogerRox (12,687 posts)
9. WE did what? Hoo rah USA - WOOT WOOT ! ! !
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KnR
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:43 PM
truthisfreedom (17,678 posts)
11. NanoSolar will be happy. Solar City will not.
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Oh well.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:32 PM
OneAngryDemocrat (1,790 posts)
13. Praise Jesus, and Thank You, Mr. President!
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To those folks "frowning" when they hear this wonderful news?
F*ck you. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 08:44 PM
magic59 (429 posts)
14. To little, too late
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Our industry has already been decimated.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 09:00 PM
NickB79 (9,408 posts)
15. In the short-term, this will help US solar makers. In the long-term, it worsens global warming
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By imposing tariffs, it will have the effect of making solar panels more expensive to install in the US, possibly slowing their deployment. As it is, fracking has made natural gas so cheap in the US that renewables are already struggling against cheap natural-gas fired turbines.
While there are many environmental issues associated with Chinese solar panel manufacturing, they pale in comparison to the damage global warming will do. We need to be doing all we can to speed up the installation of wind and solar, not slow it. This is a short-sighted move on the part of the Obama administration, and will ultimately do more harm than good. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu May 17, 2012, 09:09 PM
Fearless (12,396 posts)
16. Good... now for the rest of Chinese goods!
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Can't wait around for gas prices to do it for us. Bring manufacturing and GOOD manufacturing jobs back to the US!
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri May 18, 2012, 12:27 AM
JayhawkSD (351 posts)
19. Trade wars don't help anyone in the long run.
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Even Paul Krugman will agree on that issue.
And our skirts are not all that clean. We subsidize our agriculture industry, called "farm subsidies," so that NAFTA utterly destroyed Mexican farmers. |
Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #19)
Fri May 18, 2012, 04:27 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
23. I read somewhere that the Chinese employ some pretty hefty tariffs themselves
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to protect their businesses from competition.
As long as they are putting tariffs on American goods I really don't see an issue with reciprocating. /I could be wrong though, this isn't my area of expertise. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri May 18, 2012, 12:52 AM
Left Coast2020 (1,486 posts)
20. Well, I guess its a step in the right direction.
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I question the notion that its too late, but its better than doing nothing.
(Reuters) - The United States hit Chinese solar companies with punitive import tariffs of 30 percent or more on Thursday, ruling they had dumped cut-price solar panels into the U.S. market. In the latest salvo in a series of ongoing trade disputes between Beijing and Washington, the U.S. Commerce Department said it sided with U.S.-based solar companies that had complained a wave of Chinese imports had wrongly undercut their pricing and forced several renewable players out of business. With Thursday's move, Washington set tariffs on shipments from most of the top Chinese exporters, including Suntech Power Holdings Co Ltd and Trina Solar Ltd, at about 31 percent. Several of the Chinese companies and a solar trade group opposed to the tariffs denounced the duties, and said they would drive up costs for the clean energy source, stunting its fast growth. The new tariff was "a heavy blow to America's solar industry," Jigar Shah, head of the anti-tariff Coalition for Affordable Solar Energy, said. Shah said he hoped the tariffs would be reduced before they are finalized later this year, since they would likely cost thousands of jobs in the nascent industry. The new U.S. ruling stems from a complaint filed last October by the U.S. subsidiary of Germany's SolarWorld AG, and six other U.S. companies that alleged unfair competition and had sought duties well above 100 percent. (Yahoo News) |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:58 AM
hmmy786 (4 posts)
21. Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team)

