Clinton Smokes Sanders Among Democrats; Among Independents, the Table Turns

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Source: abc




Clinton Smokes Sanders Among Democrats; Among Independents, the Table Turns

By GARY LANGER
GREGORY HOLYK

Oct 13, 2015, 7:00 AM ET



PHOTO: Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) speak on stage during the New Hampshire Democratic Party Convention at the Verizon Wireless Center on Sept. 19, 2015 in Manchester, New Hampshire. Scott Eisen/Getty Images




Hillary Clinton heads into the first Democratic presidential debate with a slight gain in her basic popularity among all adults and a strong advantage over Bernie Sanders within the Democratic Party. But she’s weaker among independents and vastly unpopular among Republicans.

Among all adults, 47 percent see Clinton favorably in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, vs. 49 percent unfavorably. If not an inspiring score, that’s better than her 45-53 percent in August, when her unfavorable rating was a point from its highest in ABC/Post polls since 1992.

See PDF with full results here.

Sanders also gets an even split overall, 35-35 percent favorable-unfavorable, with three in 10 yet to form an opinion of him. There’s a crucial distinction, however, among Democrats: They see Clinton favorably by 79-17 percent, but Sanders just by 47-24 percent. Sanders’ rating is +23 points net positive within the party, vs. Clinton’s +62 points.







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Go HILLARy

[MADem]

1. No one likes a bully, and the piling on is obvious and noticeable. nt

[Renew Deal]

2. "Smokes" qualifies for an ABC headline?

[riversedge]

3. You don't like it? shucky darns

[Dawgs]

5. She will never win the general. n/t

[LanternWaste]

14. Prophecies are bemusing.

Prophecies are bemusing.

[NaturalHigh]

31. Seriously?.

You seriously think she can't beat Trump or Bush?

Tell you what - if Secretary Clinton isn't our next president, I owe you a Coke.

[Dawgs]

32. Deal. n/t

[Beacool]

33. Yeah, because a Socialist who will be 75 years old on election day is more viable in the GE.

[Dawgs]

34. More viable than someone who is HATED by all Republicans, Independents, and a good number of Dems.

Yep.

[snooper2]

29. Did you get your Hillary doll for your nightstand yet?

[riversedge]

30. no, i do not waste $$ on that kind of stuff. But I am

butting aside a bit every month to buy a good pair of walking shoes for canvassing--#GPTV for Hillary.

Have a good day.

[SunSeeker]

7. Gee, you didn't complain when ABC also resurrected the email story today.

Despite no new information.

[Renew Deal]

8. You know us Sanders supporters

[thesquanderer]

4. One bright spot for Bernie in this

While it is clear that the numbers favor Hillary in getting the nomination, if by some chance BS manages to win the nomination, it seems like he could do better than HRC in the general, as he will likely have more appeal among independents and Republicans. There is always some crossover voting, and at least at this point, it looks like BS would be likely to get more of it.

On one hand, that's not terribly significant, because the way the electoral college looks, really, ANY Democrat should beat ANY Republican in the general. I certainly expect that either Sanders or Clinton would win against whoever the Republicans put up. BUT, the one who can grab more Republican/Independent votes might bring along more Democrats in the House.

But realistically, while I support BS, I fully expect to be voting for HRC in November 2016.

[a la izquierda]

16. My mother, a life long Republican, will vote for Bernie.

There's not a Republican she will support, nor will she vote for Clinton.
I'll only vote for her if she makes it to the General and is polling close, an unlikely event in my state (West Virginia). Otherwise, I'll sit this one out. She's far too moderate for me. I didn't vote for Bill either, to be fair. He was also too moderate, for my first election in '96.

[randome]

17. You'll consider sitting this one out? How about a vote for your fellow citizens, then?

How about a vote for greater LGBT rights? It shouldn't always be about your likes and dislikes and only that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[JDPriestly]

18. How about a vote for Social Security. That means you vote for Bernie.

Hillary will do nothing to help the millions of us on Social Security.

It's Bernie or no one for me.

I don't see Hillary standing strong on anything except going to war.

She is just all over the place in her stands on issues other than favoring war as a solution.

I also do not trust her views on the TPP.

In our Constitution and in our federal (and state) legal tradition, we offer jury trials in cases worth more than a certain amount of money.

We allow parties to arbitrate disputes but theoretically only when both agree to arbitration. We don't enforce the consent aspect of arbitration as well as we should, but that is the theory.

The WTO, NAFTA, the TPP and other trade agreements just do away with that guarantee of a jury trial in cases involving multinational corporations.

The right to a jury trial in cases involving large sums of money is in my view fundamental.

Hillary knew when the TPP was being negotiated under her watch while Secretary of State that an arbitration court that would permit corporations to avoid American juries would be part of the plan. It's a part of NAFTA and the WTO. Yet she helped push those negotiations forward. Now she says she opposes TPP. I do not trust a word she says about that agreement.

Hillary is weak on this issue. I cannot vote for her.

[pnwmom]

19. It's Hillary or no one for me. I don't trust Bernie on gun control. I cannot vote for him.

I don't mean that of course, because that stance would be stupid. It would just be handing over the country to the Rethugs.

But that's the equivalent of what you said now about Bernie and Hillary.

[a la izquierda]

25. I don't trust her on a whole lot of anything.

That makes me a bad, bad girl in these parts lately. I honestly don't care, though. I'd rather vote my conscience than vote in lockstep just because. Besides, if HRC's supporters are as right about her as they think she is, it'll be a blowout of any Republican she runs again.

[a la izquierda]

24. Uh, my mom's a lesbian...

so you can quit you're lecturing.
I'm voting for LGBTQ rights, students' rights, veterans' rights, the economy, oh and that Iraq War resolution thing.
I don't vote for Wall Street. And because she wouldn't win if she was running alone in WV, I can safely pass. I'm going to guess you skipped the part of my post where it said if the race was close, I'd vote for her.

[elleng]

6. BEFORE a debate!

How clever!

[jtuck004]

9. This is really good news at this stage for supporters of President Sanders.

Within reach of a good, hard campaign effort.

Especially against this field.

[riversedge]

10. ...

[BOSNYCDC]

11. If this is true, then Sanders is more electable in the general

He'll get all the Hillary Dems and a good number of independents.

[pnwmom]

20. Why should he get all the Hillary Dems, when so many Bernie supporters

are threatening not to vote for her?

There are at least two in this very thread, if you doubt me.

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. No he won't "get all the Hillary Dems". Dream on.

[BOSNYCDC]

26. Well, that's too bad - you'll vote (R)? n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. Stands to reason, just as Hillary won't get all BS' voters.

[BOSNYCDC]

28. Stands counter to reason, I'd say - but that's democracy! n/t

[Fred Sanders]

12. Has any candidate for the White House ever been more closely scrutinized, more attacked than

Clinton, yet still remained so popular, generally, and in her Party specifically?

Other than Obama?

Formidable.

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^