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Thu May 10, 2012, 10:23 AM

Obama: Biden forced timing of gay marriage announcement

Source: The Hill

Obama: Biden forced timing of gay marriage announcement
By Justin Sink - 05/10/12 07:30 AM ET

President Obama admitted in interview footage aired Thursday that while he had already decided to make an announcement endorsing gay marriage before the election, his hand was forced by comments made by Vice President Joe Biden.

"I had already made a decision that we were going to take this position before the election and before the convention. He probably got out a little bit over his skis, but out of his generosity of spirit," Obama told ABC News, in newly aired video from Wednesday's interview in which he became the first sitting American president to indicate support for same-sex marriage.

Asked if he was upset that things had unfolded how they had, Obama said he would have preferred to make the announcement less hastily.

"Would I have preferred to have done this in my own way, in my own terms, without there being a lot of notice to everybody? Sure. But all's well that ends well," Obama said.

Read more: http://thehill.com/video/administration/226589-obama-would-have-preferred-to-have-done-gay-marriage-announcement-in-my-own-way

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Reply Obama: Biden forced timing of gay marriage announcement (Original post)
kpete May 2012 OP
Skinner May 2012 #1
bluedigger May 2012 #4
BB1 May 2012 #11
Ian David May 2012 #2
harmonicon May 2012 #10
Ian David May 2012 #23
Fearless May 2012 #3
dbackjon May 2012 #13
peace13 May 2012 #5
Raven May 2012 #8
emulatorloo May 2012 #20
DonCoquixote May 2012 #9
jillan May 2012 #16
WheelWalker May 2012 #35
NV Whino May 2012 #6
DonCoquixote May 2012 #7
goclark May 2012 #19
Smilo May 2012 #12
Robb May 2012 #14
n2doc May 2012 #15
Delphinus May 2012 #17
AtheistCrusader May 2012 #21
CrispyQ May 2012 #27
rocktivity May 2012 #18
immoderate May 2012 #24
Jakes Progress May 2012 #22
truthisfreedom May 2012 #25
The Stranger May 2012 #26
Bruce Wayne May 2012 #30
n2doc May 2012 #31
Jakes Progress May 2012 #36
The Stranger May 2012 #37
Jakes Progress May 2012 #38
The Stranger May 2012 #40
Jakes Progress May 2012 #42
The Stranger May 2012 #44
Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #28
Bruce Wayne May 2012 #29
Marrah_G May 2012 #32
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rocktivity May 2012 #34
SomeGuyInEagan May 2012 #33
davsand May 2012 #39
lunatica May 2012 #41
Jakes Progress May 2012 #43

Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:25 AM

1. "He probably got out a little bit over his skis, but out of his generosity of spirit"

"all's well that ends well"

I think this is exactly right.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #1)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:29 AM

4. I can't believe he used that analogy!

Isn't he from Hawaii or Kenya or something?

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #4)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:36 AM

11. LOL

Sounds like something a German ski jumping commentator would say about Gregor Schlierenzauer. Or Adam Malysz, for that matter. Obama might be a fan.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:26 AM

2. I'm shocked that Biden might have let his mouth get away from him. He's never done that before. n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #2)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:35 AM

10. Which is otherwise known as being honest/telling the truth.

It's only considered a fault for politicians, and it shouldn't be.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #10)

Thu May 10, 2012, 12:36 PM

23. Fuck yeah. n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:27 AM

3. Someone who didn't allow politics to get in the way of doing what's right.

Thank you Joe!

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Response to Fearless (Reply #3)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:40 AM

13. No doubt!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:29 AM

5. Please VP Biden...what say you about the state of women in this country?

While you are speaking honestly and frankly let us hear that you do not approve of women being bombed back into the cave. Throw us a bone!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #5)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:32 AM

8. I think Obama and Biden have been

pretty outspoken about women's issues.

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Response to Raven (Reply #8)

Thu May 10, 2012, 11:15 AM

20. Yes they have.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #5)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:33 AM

9. This a good start?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/12/joe-biden-war-on-women_n_1422530.html

Joe Biden War On Women

Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday the Republican Party's "war on women" is real and will "intensify" with appointments to the Supreme Court in the next presidential term.

"I think the war on women is real," Biden said in an interview with MSNBC's Ed Schultz. "And look, I tell you where it's going to intensify. The next president of the United States is going to get to name one and possibly two or more members of the Supreme Court."

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Response to peace13 (Reply #5)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:54 AM

16. Biden was the one that introduced the Violence Against Women Act when he was a Senator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act

This woman has no problem at this moment with the support for women by this administration.

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Response to jillan (Reply #16)

Thu May 10, 2012, 04:07 PM

35. I couldn't agree with you more, comrade.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:30 AM

6. Good for Biden

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:31 AM

7. I do not care how old he is

If Joe Biden runs for President in 2016, he has my vote.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #7)

Thu May 10, 2012, 11:13 AM

19. I'm a big fan of his too

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:36 AM

12. And it needed to be forced..........

gotta love gentleman Joe.

He may not have the gift of the gab, but his heart is in the right place.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 10:50 AM

15. ...

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Response to n2doc (Reply #15)

Thu May 10, 2012, 11:10 AM

17. LOL!

Loving it!

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Response to n2doc (Reply #15)

Thu May 10, 2012, 12:23 PM

21. Haha

Biden, as VP has been as much of a force for good, as Cheney was a force for evil.
The contrast couldn't be more stark.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #15)

Thu May 10, 2012, 01:54 PM

27. Love it!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 11:10 AM

18. If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you may want to buy.

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This was total stagecraft; Biden was merely the opening act. After the hostile reception to Obama's mealy-mouthed "evolution" remarks, he knew he couldn't stay on the "in my own way, on my own terms" path any longer. He also knew that the NC amendment would probably pass. So Biden, then he, strategically "sandwiched" their affirmations around the vote, winning the love of LBGTs and progressives in time to get re-elected -- and absolving themselves from actually DOING anything more.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #18)

Thu May 10, 2012, 12:38 PM

24. Good point and there are questions...

Did David Gregory get the question beforehand? Why did Mark Halperin "spring" the question on Arne Duncan the next day on Morning Joe? (He clumsily introduced the question -- drew a gasp from Mika.) Why were they there, anyway?

And Obama escapes any responsibility in the NC vote, but "comes out" in time for the Hollywood dinner. Coincidence?

--imm

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 12:24 PM

22. How dare he take a moral stand

without permission.

Thankfully we have a Vice President who doesn't feel that his balls and moral compass have been confiscated for two terms.

You go, Joe.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 01:07 PM

25. Compare Biden getting out "a little bit over his skis" to Rmoney getting out a little bit over his,

and you'll find that the difference is stark. When Rmoney does it, it's not from the heart, but it's certainly revealing.

Nascar team owners. NFL team owners. Cadillacs. Firing people. Betting ten grand.

We got the good guys on our side.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 01:21 PM

26. Does it end well if we lose the election?

How is this impacting the swing states (like North Carolina) we need to avoid the horror that is a Republican in the White House?

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Response to The Stranger (Reply #26)

Thu May 10, 2012, 02:12 PM

30. It puts a couple of swing states at risk, but the thing is....

it's a democracy we've got. You can't run away from the issues that voters care about.

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Response to The Stranger (Reply #26)

Thu May 10, 2012, 02:16 PM

31. If Obama takes the same positions as Mittens

To avoid 'controversy', Why vote for him? The people who are strongly opposed to equal rights aren't voting Democratic at all. Obama has ended DADT and had a variety of other 'Gay friendly' positions that those folks would take exception to anyway. This, on the other hand, builds enthusiasm.

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Response to The Stranger (Reply #26)

Thu May 10, 2012, 04:35 PM

36. So just what are you willing to do,

what rights of others will you forego, which truths will you disavow?

Just where do you draw a line? Is it just others or are you willing to toss out your own rights and freedoms too?

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #36)

Fri May 11, 2012, 10:56 AM

37. I'm not foregoing anyone's rights (if one can "forego" a right, in the first place).

I'm asking why Obama decided, in the words of one Conservative pundit with whom I have never agreed in my entire life (until now), to do for Romney what Romney could not do for himself.

Obama has just ignited the Republican party beneath a candidate who couldn't even strike a match with them.

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Response to The Stranger (Reply #37)

Sat May 12, 2012, 12:07 PM

38. Still dodging the question.

If it would help Obama get elected would you favor his attacking a woman's right to choose? If you wouldn't do that to women, why do it to the gay community?

Don't you get it? At what point would you consider a moral compass useless?

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #38)

Mon May 14, 2012, 07:14 PM

40. The question contains a false assumption.

You're trying to equate his declaring that his position is "evolving" -- on the one hand -- with his actively coming out against gay marriage, i.e., "attacking a woman's right to choose" -- on the other. Your attempt to equate the two is fallacious.

He may have actually done the the LGBT's community's right to marriage far more benefit by "evolving" (for now), rather than losing the election altogether, and having his ability to make such change become powerless and his position completely irrelevant.

Maybe it makes you feel better to get indignant, but it is not constructive. And it isn't smart in an election year.

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Response to The Stranger (Reply #40)

Tue May 15, 2012, 03:55 PM

42. The reply contains a silly dodge.

I didn't to any "equating". But you are really trying to duck this with some very asinine verbiage.

I asked you what you considered unimportant enough to be lied about or avoided until things are "safe".

You don't seem to mind ducking a moral person's responsibility to the LGBT community. I just asked if you felt that if the president ducked a response on a woman's right to choose you would feel as sanguine.

Maybe it makes you feel better to put winning ahead of making moral choices, but it is not right. Then you equate being "smart" to being sneaky and fallacious. Not the kind of smart candidate I want.

Nice try at ducking the question, though. Now if instead of obfuscating, you would like to just answer the question it would be nice. Do you feel as strongly that a moral center regarding the rights of women is as fungible as you do issues regarding the rights of the LGBT community?

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #42)

Wed May 16, 2012, 12:11 PM

44. I think my reply was pretty clear: You are including in your question an assumption that is false.

I demonstrated this, and you haven't really addressed it.

But perhaps explain to me what this means, because it doesn't make any sense:

Do you feel as strongly that a moral center regarding the rights of women is as fungible as you do issues regarding the rights of the LGBT community?


What "moral center" are you talking about? How is fungibility even applicable here?

If "ducking a person's moral responsibility" includes taking political positions that eventually benefit that moral responsibility far more than taking other, less specific, political positions, then you're goddamn right I am for it. You bet your ass.

Next question?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 02:07 PM

28. Hey Joe - any thoughts on MMJ?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 02:11 PM

29. Fox headline: Biden forced gay marriage on Obama

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Reply #29)

Thu May 10, 2012, 02:30 PM

32. OOOooooo does Michelle know?

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #32)

Thu May 10, 2012, 02:39 PM

34. .




rocktivity

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 02:37 PM

33. Get Joe a microphone ... NOW!

Tell us, Mr. Vice President, about your thoughts on ... everything. GO!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat May 12, 2012, 01:10 PM

39. I have a tough time believing that Joe did anything that far outside the party line.

I'm not knocking Biden at all when I say this, but does anybody REALLY think the VP went that far off script in an election year??? I'd think less of him if I actually believed he was that stupid or that much of a renegade.

Biden was the opening act, and if he'd been booed too loudly you might have heard a different speech out of Obama Wednesday, or you might have heard nothing at all. Let's be real practical here, there is not a thing that happens in an election year that is not planned, orchestrated, and polled. This is high stakes stuff, and these guys are in it to win (thankfully!) Biden did his job and he did it beautifully!



Laura

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 07:53 AM

41. Another reason to like Biden even more

Good for him.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 03:57 PM

43. Joe was just doing what the President

asked us all to do. Hold him to the fire when he is on the wrong course.

Good for Joe.

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