Hillary Clinton Losing Strength in New National Polling
Source: Time
Six weeks after setting her candidacy into high gear, former Secretary of State Hillary Clintons poll numbers are continuing to fall, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday.
Across nearly every key metric, from trustworthiness to caring about voters to leadership, Clinton has seen an erosion in public approval, as likely Republican rivals have erased her leads in the poll. Clinton has a net -11 favorability rating in the poll, with 40% of the American public viewing her positively and 51% negatively, with more than 50% of independents on the negative side.
If the election were held today, Clinton would be tied with former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker in the polldown from significant leads in a May 28 surveybut would top the current GOP frontrunner Donald Trump
The poll, which was conducted amid new reporting on the existence of classified information on Clintons private email server, found further declines in Clintons perceived trustworthiness, with 57% of Americans now viewing her as neither honest nor trustworthy. And as Clinton has invested heavily in a campaign designed to appeal to Americans who feel left behind in the economic recovery, a majority of Americans now believe Clinton does not care about the needs or problems of people like them. But while the numbers have softened in recent months, Clinton is continued to be viewed as a strong leader by 58% of Americans.
Despite her struggles in general election match-ups, Clintons position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55 percent of Democrats supporting herroughly unchanged from a year ago. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders gains, meanwhile, have slowed. The May poll found the avowed socialists support spiking from 8% to 15% from a month before; this month he has the backing of 17% of Democrats.
Read more: http://time.com/3977941/hillary-clinton-poll-trump/
Actual poll here: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/search-releases/search-results/release-detail?ReleaseID=2264&What=&strArea=;&strTime=3
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restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)joan "bernie is not a serious candidate" walsh, i physically cringe.
MADem
(135,425 posts)their cover in November of 2016.
Using them to buttress any argument for or against a candidate is a bit like putting your hand in the angry dog's mouth.
candelista
(1,986 posts)What "argument"? And who is the "angry dog"? Time Magazine? The one who uses Time to "buttress" an argument?
What are you talking about?
MADem
(135,425 posts)First, I wasn't speaking with you. I was responding to "moonandsixpence" who said "Fuck TIME and their clear agenda." I was agreeing with that comment with my remarks.
Second, the "angry dog" is the GOP or their supporters, who are the readers/owners of TIME magazine, by and large.
Ever hear the expression "Consider the source?" Anyone who reads TIME magazine would do very well to do just that. They weren't very kind to EITHER mentioned candidate in that little hit piece, now, were they? A jaundiced eye is a valued commodity when advocacy and partisanship are in the room.
Their polling, too, stinks on ice, as another poster (a Sanders backer) noted in this thread.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Self avowed would be correct. I like Bernie a lot but I wish he hadn't said it. According to the definition he really isn't a socialist. I think it was a mistake. It would not be an asset in the GE.
Andrej28
(65 posts)He isn't really a socialist, because he doesn't advocate public ownership of the means of production, so why does he call himself one?
Here is one possibility. He was in YPSL (Young People's Socialist League) as a young man, which is the Brownies for the SP (Socialist Party). He knows that the Right will raise this as an issue to attack him, so he robs them of some of their power by anticipating their attack and telling everyone that he is a socialist.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,131 posts)who caucuses with the Democrats in Congress 93% of the time. He is not a Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist Socialist. He believes the Democratic Socialist governments of Scandinavia and some counteies in Europe have programs that would work well in the US - single payer healthcare, free college tuition, a livable minimum wage, a woman's right to make her own healthcare decisions, etc.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Andrej28
(65 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Andrej28
(65 posts)The other candidates are chaff.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)'SEE HILLARY CLINTON'S EVOLUTION IN 20 PHOTOS'
Would a respectable 'news' site do this with Jeb Bush?
Rolf21
(22 posts)All those family pictures, as if she were a breed-sow. Time should be ashamed of itself.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)I don't get that "strong leader" stuff however. Hell, she doesn't even have the guts to take a position on TPP or the Keystone pipeline.
It's only going to get worse for her. She doesn't wear well.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It's about smart campaigning.
Will you be honest enough to acknowledge that the same people DEMANDING that HRC speak to these issues are the same cohort that, also, say they don't believe a word of what she says on issues that she agrees with them on?
If, on the campaign trail, she says TPP and XL are pure evil ... (we both know) the cry for the next 15 months will be, "She lying or pandering or its a trick."
If, on the campaign trail, she supports TPP and/or XL ... (we both know) the cry for the next 15 months will be, "See? She is a lap dog of the oligarchs."
So, she takes the reasonable campaign road ... Re: TPP, "Here are my standards for a trade agreement. I will not support a trade agreement that does not meet that standard." Re: XL, "If it is on the table when I become President, I will deal with it then."
And, really ... the only people that give a care about these issues are those removed from concerns about gainful employment, a robust social safety net and dying in the streets.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)We cansee that "smart campaigning" in action.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)regardless of how well your non-preferred choice performs ... or how well, or poorly, your preferred candidate performs.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)you sure do go to a lot of effort.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Means I support her? If you were to check ... I have, also, opposed the same treatment directed at O'Malley.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)And Mrs. Clinton is so "smart," why the hell isn't she standing on the fence on EVERYTHING?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Because the stuff she is talking about/taking a position on ... all DEMOCRATS agree; or, at least, don't disagree.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)And I'm not demanding that she speak out about anything because I have no confidence that even one word that comes out of her mouth is the truth. So I will willingly admit to a certain lack of objectivity when it comes to Ms Clinton.
And while my opinion of the president is infinitely higher, I do believe he is in peril of undoing a lot of the good he has done by pushing things like TPP, arctic drilling, and Keystone.
A lot of Democrats agree that these things are a mistake and Clinton knows that.
At the same time, I actually read a post here on DU that African Americans actually support TPP simply because it was so strongly advocated by the black president. If this is true, Clinton realizes that as well and she's not about to say anything that might alienate such a large part of her potential base.
You can call that smart campaigning if you wish. To me it's a lack of any real core belief system and a lack of political courage.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I hadn't seen that. Link?
Laser102
(816 posts)Maybe she respects him as many others do and doesn't wish to complicate his job by pandering to the public that insist she take a stand against him. It could be, and I'm saying this as an ardent supporter, that she knows most of these issues will be decided on before Obama leaves office. So why stab him in the back for political gains? Just another way of looking at things. By the way, I respect that.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...love the 'socialist' dig....
riversedge
(70,049 posts)But, who knows--he may surge again. Too early in the silly season to make even educated guesses.
http://time.com/3977941/hillary-clinton-poll-trump/
Despite her struggles in general election match-ups, Clintons position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55 percent of Democrats supporting herroughly unchanged from a year ago. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders gains, meanwhile, have slowed. The May poll found the avowed socialists support spiking from 8% to 15% from a month before; this month he has the backing of 17% of Democrats.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)"Clintons position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55 percent of Democrats "
So it does not matter to her supporters if she loses to Jeb in the GE as long as she wins the nomination....hmmmm.
riversedge
(70,049 posts)This is a silly and meaningless comment by you.
"So it does not matter to her supporters if she loses to Jeb in the GE as long as she wins the nomination....hmmmm."
zeemike
(18,998 posts)When you see the polls show she could lose to Bush but rally around her lead among Dems and think it is great.
Those 55% of Dems cannot elect her...even though Dems outnumber the GOP...that tells you that she loses among independents big time and is venerable in the GE...but insist that she be the one.
Sounds like a losing strategy to me.
okasha
(11,573 posts)of Dems will support her in the general. Most Dems regard the contest between Hillary and Sanders as they seem to themselves. They conduct themselves like friendly rivals, not enemies.
DU is not typical of either the Democratic Party or the general.population. For some here the primaries are a blood feud, For most of us, I think , it's team practice for the real fight.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And even a higher percentage in the GOP will support Bush if he wins, but they can't win with that either.
Since 2008, the percentage of political independents -- those who identify as such before their leanings to the two major parties are taken into account -- has steadily climbed from 35% to the current 43%, exceeding 40% each of the last four years. Prior to 2011, the high in independent identification was 39% in 1995 and 1999.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx
jalan48
(13,839 posts)She seems to have zero passion in her speeches and avoids answering questions on big issues like the Keystone pipeline. Evasiveness equates to non-trust with the voters. I would be concerned that she's already run out of steam if I was one of her supporters.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I will never forget that roped off thing.
Or the Keystone, lack of an answer.
Or the big Bankster donations.
Or TPP.
Or...
Hell, it just goes on and on.
No more Bush...No more Clinton.
november3rd
(1,113 posts)To some people, power is the end in itself. Isn't that basically what O'Brien tells Winston Smith in 1984?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)even though she said she wouldn't in that 60 Minutes interview! Surely, she deserves the presidency for THAT!
Metric System
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Metric System
(6,048 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I will delete my previous post just to play it safe. I have no interest in wrongly accusing anyone.
But there does appear to be an alarming tendency to reflexively accuse anyone who objects to Hillary Clinton's policies or politics of being a right-winger or at least a right-wing tool.
candelista
(1,986 posts)Even criticisms from the left are labeled "RW."
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Anyone who knows me (or, frankly, anyone who has read my posts over the years) would realize that it's ludicrous to accuse me of being a right-winger. And yet I've been called that on numerous occasions.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Fixed that for you.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)this Bernie supporter wants many open debates where the candidates can compare, contrast and answer honest questions with real answers that can be fact checked.
Alrighty?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)jalan48
(13,839 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Just like Bernie wants to be president so he can:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-campaign-issues-truly-extraordinary-campaign-plank-0
And, just like O'Malley wants to be president so he can:
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/245453-omalley-pushes-aggressive-climate-change-platform and http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-omalley-rolls-out-immigration-platform-20150714-story.html and ... hell ... http://www.wmur.com/politics/closeup/closeup-martin-omalley-discusses-platform/34058318
Why else?
jalan48
(13,839 posts)Right now it seems as if she's just going through the motions. I'm excited to hear talk about Keystone, trade agreements, etc.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)She's leading their guy by 30 points, and it should be 50 points, so clearly, she should drop out.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)the party minimally-responsive to the canaille so that the donor gravy train keeps rolling, and that means no supermajorities, no winning with a populist instead of losing with a drip, and blaming critics and Nader every time the sun sends the wrong type of neutrino
840high
(17,196 posts)broadcaster75201
(387 posts)First. I'll enthusiastically vote and work for Hillary if she is nominated.
Second. At the risk of sounding like a Teabag, there are potentially some issues with the Q poll. It may be right, but at this point it's an outlier.
Third. It is WAY early to worry about polls
Fourth. Hillary is clearly waiting for the the debates, esp the GOP. It may make some nervous but I do get the strategy of "let America see the great GOP Clown Show up close.
Now, If by fall she doesn't start making some noise in her speeches and appearances I would begin to worry a little. If she doesn't by Spring I'd worry a lot. But for heavens SAKE it's early and she hasn't done anything "bad". She's also going to get to testify in Congress before a bunch of slavering Teabags.
As much as I want Bernie, Hillary's campaign experience should not be underestimated. Yeah she screwed it up with Obama but ... all that more experience.
Stop panicking and make sure every Dem voter in the Nation is registered and ready to go.
riversedge
(70,049 posts)registration. I have canvassed the last few cycles and find so many are not registered. So many need help with this as for many it can be time consuming--going door to door.
broadcaster75201
(387 posts)Yes. SO SO SO SO many are not registered.
And with the question of "who really owns electronic voting machines" we MUST overwhelm them with our numbers.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Good post. Sensible. So rare, these days!
And good advice at the finish:
Stop panicking and make sure every Dem voter in the Nation is registered and ready to go.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)(disclosure ... I am an undecided, O'Malley leaner; but can't seem to convince DUers ... because I am vocal about my concerns about a Bernie presidency ... and am insufficiently critical of HRC ... :chuckle
Every day, there is another post (by a HRC supporter) of poll showing that HRC is leading ... followed by a statement (usually by a Bernie Supporter) saying that it is too early for polling to mean much of anything (which is true, except for the deep drilling stuff) ... followed by a poll (by a Bernie Supporter ... typically, someone who previously indicated that polling doesn't matter this far out) indicating that HRC is toast.
Every day, there are posts DEMANDING that HRC get detailed/commit to a specific position on a few issues by the same cohort that, also, say they don't believe a word of what she says on issues that she agrees with them on? (Example ... DU: "HRC is a corporatist and lap dog to the oligarchy!" HRC: "I support {insert Populist position here}." DU: "Liar!!! ... She's just copying Bernie! I've seen it in her eyes."
But the truth is ... If, on the campaign trail, she says TPP and XL are pure evil ... the cry for the next 15 months will be, "She lying or pandering or its a trick" ... from the right AND the left.
If, on the campaign trail, she supports TPP and/or XL ... the cry for the next 15 months will be, (from the left) "See? She is a lap dog of the oligarchs" (and from the right, "Liar!!! ... because BENGAZI)
So, she takes the reasonable campaign road ... Re: TPP, "Here are my standards for a trade agreement. I will not support a trade agreement that does not meet that standard." Re: XL, "If it is on the table when I become President, I will deal with it then."
As the front runner, she can, and should, do this, this far out ... I suspect she will get more detailed and more specific ... at the debates, and onward. However, O'Malley and Bernie do not have that luxury ... they have to score points, right now ... or else they will not be around later.
That's
riversedge
(70,049 posts)http://time.com/3977941/hillary-clinton-poll-trump/
Despite her struggles in general election match-ups, Clintons position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55 percent of Democrats supporting herroughly unchanged from a year ago. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders gains, meanwhile, have slowed. The May poll found the avowed socialists support spiking from 8% to 15% from a month before; this month he has the backing of 17% of Democrats.
Former Maryland Gov. Martin OMalley, meanwhile, has struggled for recognition, with 76% of Americans and 78% of Democrats saying they dont know enough about him to form an opinion of him. Despite intense campaigning and jabs at Clinton and Sanders, OMalley only garners the support of 1% of Democrats, unchanged from two months ago.
The poll of 1,644 registered voters has a margin of error of ± 2.4 percentage points and was conducted from July 23-28. The smaller sample of 681 Democrats has a margin of error of ±3.8 percentage points.
Amishman
(5,553 posts)The people are tired of being ignored, tired of being lied to, and tired of corporate interests. Hillary is practically the definition of a Washington insider, and her corporate ties are massive and worrying. Its no wonder that her popularity is dropping.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)That's probably the most important number in this poll. Whether you approve of someone can fluctuate with your opinion of how they're addressing the issues of the day, but changing your opinion of someone from "not honest, not trustworthy" to "honest, trustworthy" is a much bigger leap.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)interest, are you tired of being lied to by those with corporate interest? Ask Bernie, along with his defense contractor support.
Andrej28
(65 posts)Inquiring minds want to know.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Banking industry? The industry he speaks about often.
You can also check his votes on AUMF and troop expansions which in turn requires materials from defense contractors. You can add NRA who contributed to ads against his opponent and then the vote against the Brady bill.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)I support Sanders but the one thing I want is a Democratic president for the next 8 years. It's been a while since we have had 16 years of Democrats in the White House and we really need it whether it is Hillary or Sanders or somebody else.
It concerns me that it was Hillary's to lose in 08 and she lost it. It concerns me this time not only the media sort of being against her but that she seems to be running an almost pre internet campaign, like you would have done in the 90's.
I hope either Sanders surges or she surprises me and consolidates her lead in the general but I think she's playing it WAY too safe avoiding issues that might turn off some voters and avoiding issues that might scare away rich corporations. I think when it was the MSM and negative campaign commercials that was the way the game was played, but I'm not sure it is now.
6chars
(3,967 posts)she is a fighter and she is disciplined. she is willing to learn and to adapt,as is clear from the many differences between her current campaign and the 2008 campaign.
Rolf21
(22 posts)That's what she's done all her life. Win!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Cheering if Hilary's drop 3 points, is constructive criticism.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)that Sanders supporters think she's the media's favorite candidate considering the kind of reporting that has been done about her, including the bogus NYT hit pieces.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)no where to go but d-o-w-n from that high horse.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)In reality, he is a senator from a tiny state with no executive or foreign policy experience.
The socialist label will be harped upon over and over and over scaring small businesspeople and independents.
Bernie is a good man .. he should remain a senator.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)the swift boating will be without precedent
I worry about that
I will work hard for a Dem but Sanders 16 sounds good to me
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)and Hillary is immune from them.
The Clintons also have a strong machine to destroy any Swift Boat type attacks. Bernie is the one ill prepared and will be a sitting duck.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)are you really happy with her positions?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)The first primaries are months away and the field will change, the top issues will change. To offer a position now and alienate some voters unnecessarily at this stage when it may not even matter come January is not very smart.
Clinton is doing the right thing. This is how politics is played.
Bernie can afford to take extreme populist positions because the election is a "hail mary" for him and he is not too concerned about the general election because getting there is the difficult part. I think Bernie's ego will be satisfied if he is the nominee and it doesn't matter if he loses the general election.
Bernie is sort of like Trump that way.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)hope she is a sheep in wolfs clothing
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karynnj
(59,495 posts)Then as good Democrats wouldn't they use it for any Democrat in the race?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)karynnj
(59,495 posts)It also hurts that she knew there were FOIA requests for which these records should have been searched.
Her one device excuse does not answer why the emails were not routinely archived with the SD on a timely basis.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Bernie won't turn conservative once he's in office.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
vadermike
(1,415 posts)Ugh, I hope it improves otherwise my feeling is one party doesn't usually get 3 terms anyway ... We might be toast .. GOP trifecta nightmare here we come .. I hope I am wrong but my guy feeling is bad ... Hang in there we are in for a rough one. The USA will probably not survive them having all branches of govt OMO again this time will be worse!
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)The key to whether a poll gives a credible result is do other polls show the same shifts. The answer was no in the swing state poll and the answer still is no.
One of the primary reasons Quinnipac shows Democrats performing so poorly is they have set their demographic screen to the equivalent of the last mid-term election (The Republican "wave" which is at significant odds with presidential year tendencies. In this case, they're underrepresenting black and Hispanic voters.
Until other national polls show every Democratic challenger tied or losing to Bush, Walker and Rubio (yes, all three), take Quinnipac with a heap of salt.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)This pathetic campaign of listening, then listing like a damaged ship, ridiculously claiming that she won't tell you her position on the pipeline unless she is elected?
THIS CONSTITUTES HIGH GEAR?
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)I dont have a link, but I was encouraged by a CNN poll over the weekend that showed both Hillary and Bernie beating the top 3 Repubs in the general election Trump, Bush, Walker.
I will admit, as a Hillary supporter, I was a little surprised (but happy nonetheless) that Bernie was polling so well nationally. I am encouraged no matter whom we choose as our nominee that we can beat the Republicans - and that is JOB ONE!!! Think Supreme Court nominees!
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Fuck them.
Andrej28
(65 posts)I know you said "Fuck them" in your post, but is that what you have in mind?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)fox has to rehire Palin!! she was only a million a year, bring the daughters in too! They hate Mrs. Clinton more than they hate a male, black president
You should have had Mrs. Clinton down to single digits by now! only 49% 'like' her ? and its been 8 years of anti Clinton crap flinging.
Billions of dollars spent to pay hoards of hirelings, thousands of tax free political republican charities and only 49%. Republicans should be ashamed.
Ask The Donald what to do? he's got the top poll rank, hes a wealthy businessman and hasn't spent a dime of koch or charity 'donations'.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Really? Q Polls are horrible in terms of accuracy and stability.
is a nice guy...but he doesn't have Hillarys, links..(tongue in cheek).
And with a very probable rightwing congress to have to deal with again,
clinton would fare better, imo. Yeah she sits in the same bathtub as
wall street..bfd..If the people want real change away from the rich
peoples influence..two words..."American Spring"...
ONly way for real change..
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)Political hero-worshop and personality cults are dangerous to society.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I doubt it.
PSPS
(13,577 posts)Already we're getting inundated with meaningless polls (too far away from any actual election, results always interpreted in a way to make everyone even with each other.) Hey! The media has lots of ad spaces to sell! Got to get them eyeballs and ears as well as all of those campaign-related advertising $$$.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... is a weak candidate is a dolt. She has more negatives than an electron convention. She won't take a position on any tough issue. She's only running because she thinks she is "entitled" to the presidency.
She isn't.
fbc
(1,668 posts)lol