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candelista

(1,986 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:08 AM Jul 2015

Hillary Clinton Losing Strength in New National Polling

Source: Time

Six weeks after setting her candidacy into high gear, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s poll numbers are continuing to fall, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday.

Across nearly every key metric, from trustworthiness to caring about voters to leadership, Clinton has seen an erosion in public approval, as likely Republican rivals have erased her leads in the poll. Clinton has a net -11 favorability rating in the poll, with 40% of the American public viewing her positively and 51% negatively, with more than 50% of independents on the negative side.

If the election were held today, Clinton would be tied with former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker in the poll—down from significant leads in a May 28 survey—but would top the current GOP frontrunner Donald Trump

The poll, which was conducted amid new reporting on the existence of classified information on Clinton’s private email server, found further declines in Clinton’s perceived trustworthiness, with 57% of Americans now viewing her as neither honest nor trustworthy. And as Clinton has invested heavily in a campaign designed to appeal to Americans who feel left behind in the economic recovery, a majority of Americans now believe Clinton does not care about the needs or problems of people like them. But while the numbers have softened in recent months, Clinton is continued to be viewed as a strong leader by 58% of Americans.

Despite her struggles in general election match-ups, Clinton’s position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55 percent of Democrats supporting her—roughly unchanged from a year ago. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ gains, meanwhile, have slowed. The May poll found the avowed socialist’s support spiking from 8% to 15% from a month before; this month he has the backing of 17% of Democrats.



Read more: http://time.com/3977941/hillary-clinton-poll-trump/



Actual poll here: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/search-releases/search-results/release-detail?ReleaseID=2264&What=&strArea=;&strTime=3
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Hillary Clinton Losing Strength in New National Polling (Original Post) candelista Jul 2015 OP
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It's better than "admitted." candelista Jul 2015 #3
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"confessed"? appalachiablue Jul 2015 #14
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They also credited Clintons slowdown to the Rs. Time seems to be slipping. Used to be a reliable jwirr Jul 2015 #5
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yeah. they have no opinion at all restorefreedom Jul 2015 #20
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when i hear the name restorefreedom Jul 2015 #25
I don't care if you support Sanders or Clinton, so long as you understand that TIME wants "Jeb!" on MADem Jul 2015 #28
Who is using it to "buttress an argument"? candelista Jul 2015 #63
If the shoe does not fit you, don't be so doggone eager to cram it on your foot. MADem Jul 2015 #67
If the shoe fits ..... n/t cosmicone Jul 2015 #35
Didn't Bernie call himself a Socialist? redstateblues Jul 2015 #56
I wondered about that, too. Andrej28 Jul 2015 #97
He is an avowed DEMOCRATIC Socialist TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #106
Hillary is still at the top of the DNC candidates. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #2
Are there any others? Andrej28 Jul 2015 #102
What are you asking? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #103
See Response to jalan48 (Reply #9). Andrej28 Jul 2015 #105
Hillary haters must love the sexist little subsection at this tabloid trash site. onehandle Jul 2015 #4
Definitely sexist. Rolf21 Jul 2015 #94
like the Kenyan Muslim Communist digs at Obama yurbud Jul 2015 #107
The hype is no longer having much effect, people have begun to catch on tularetom Jul 2015 #6
It's NOT about "hav(ing) the guts" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #40
I'm really looking firward to the Dem debates so R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #45
I don't think you will be disappointed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #78
Time will tell. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #81
for someone who claims not to support HRC shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #82
So because I oppose all this intellectual dishonestY ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #86
So if it is reasonable to stand on the fence about TPP and XL RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #52
At this point in the campaign ... ABSOLUTELY! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #79
I can only speak for myself tularetom Jul 2015 #69
I think you just proved my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #80
Or it could be that she has a certain loyalty to President Obama. Laser102 Jul 2015 #85
To be expected...she can't/won't answer direct questions....And good to see Bernie still increasing. truebrit71 Jul 2015 #7
"Sanders’ gains, meanwhile, have slowed...".... riversedge Jul 2015 #19
"Despite her struggles in general election match-ups" zeemike Jul 2015 #27
You are making up things. riversedge Jul 2015 #41
Well what is silly about it? zeemike Jul 2015 #66
Except that far more than 55% okasha Jul 2015 #89
I'm sure they will. zeemike Jul 2015 #91
I think many American's wonder why she's even running. jalan48 Jul 2015 #9
Thank you! SoapBox Jul 2015 #12
Power means everything november3rd Jul 2015 #13
Because she was a First Lady! And she stood by her man closeupready Jul 2015 #24
Jesus, that's the kind of comment I'd expect to see on a right-wing forum. Metric System Jul 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #55
Say what? Maybe you have me mixed up with somebody else? Metric System Jul 2015 #59
Perhaps I did. If so, I apologize. RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #62
"RW" is the all-purpose answer to differences of opinion here. candelista Jul 2015 #64
Yes. That's exactly my point RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #71
Here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #42
Please stop with the projection. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #47
LOL ... Projection? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #70
awww... R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2015 #72
LOL-she's running because? I'm listening. jalan48 Jul 2015 #49
She wants to be President so she can ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #76
Maybe when she gets a little more passionate people will lsiten. jalan48 Jul 2015 #87
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #88
Well done!!!! JoePhilly Jul 2015 #108
she represents the faction that's fully run the party since ~2002: they want to keep MisterP Jul 2015 #60
I'm one of those people. Cannot support her. 840high Jul 2015 #75
Oh good grief (discolure ... I am a Bernie supporter) broadcaster75201 Jul 2015 #11
I am signed up to help with riversedge Jul 2015 #15
Outstanding! As am I. broadcaster75201 Jul 2015 #18
It's historically Republican TIME magazine....they don't want either Clinton or Sanders to win. MADem Jul 2015 #30
+1 ... A breath of fresh air, with no hair on fire chaser. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #68
Clinton’s position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55% of ... riversedge Jul 2015 #17
looks like Corporate Clinton's teflon coating is wearing thin Amishman Jul 2015 #21
57% viewing her as neither honest nor trustworthy. winter is coming Jul 2015 #29
Washington insider, like a Congressional member since 1991? Oh, and what about Bernie's corpororate Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #61
Got a link? Andrej28 Jul 2015 #99
Sure I have a link. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #101
its a little early ericson00 Jul 2015 #22
I really do worry about here ability to win. hollowdweller Jul 2015 #26
that is one thing i do not worry about 6chars Jul 2015 #54
Hillary is a winner. Rolf21 Jul 2015 #95
No wonder the Bernie-bashers are swarming GD-P with a vengeance of late. -nt- 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #31
Huh? Have you seen HIS poll numbers? Metric System Jul 2015 #34
Oh, and speaking of which ... right on cue. n/t 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #36
Um...OK. Metric System Jul 2015 #37
Mentioning Bernie's poll numbers is "bashing" him. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #111
She's being attacked from the left AND the right. No wonder it's impacting her numbers. It's funny Metric System Jul 2015 #32
It's tough being the "inevitable" candidate 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #38
The Bernie people think he is another Obama cosmicone Jul 2015 #39
The hate from the right will be strong against her SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #44
People have overcome the right wing attacks already cosmicone Jul 2015 #46
that is my hope SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #48
There is nothing to gain by revealing all positions at this stage cosmicone Jul 2015 #53
thanks for the civil discourse SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #57
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if the Clintons really do have a machine to defeat swiftboating karynnj Jul 2015 #93
Not when the swiftboating is being done by democrats n/t cosmicone Jul 2015 #96
I think that is why it resonates. karynnj Jul 2015 #98
Nope, he's better than Obama fbc Jul 2015 #110
He appeared in your dream and told you that? cosmicone Jul 2015 #113
Ugh vadermike Jul 2015 #43
This is Quinnipac. Just like the swing states poll from awhile back they're still producing outliers Godhumor Jul 2015 #50
excuse me - HIGH GEAR? ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2015 #51
We All Have Our Favorites, but We're Still Dems!!! Let's Remember That! Gamecock Lefty Jul 2015 #58
If this is how Americans feel, then they need to be punished. AngryAmish Jul 2015 #65
How would you like to punish them? Andrej28 Jul 2015 #100
come on you cheapass republicans cough up more billions for media campaigns.. Sunlei Jul 2015 #73
This absurd Quinnipicac poll is still being touted? Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #77
Bernie Red1 Jul 2015 #83
She proved in 2008 that she had feet of clay. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #84
All the candidates have feet of clay. okasha Jul 2015 #90
Think she'll ignore the caucus states again? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #112
The media will have its horse race come hell or high water PSPS Jul 2015 #92
Anyone surprised that HRC.. sendero Jul 2015 #104
That's ok, she's still winning all the polls from months ago. fbc Jul 2015 #109

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jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. They also credited Clintons slowdown to the Rs. Time seems to be slipping. Used to be a reliable
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:22 AM
Jul 2015

mag.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #20)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. I don't care if you support Sanders or Clinton, so long as you understand that TIME wants "Jeb!" on
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jul 2015

their cover in November of 2016.

Using them to buttress any argument for or against a candidate is a bit like putting your hand in the angry dog's mouth.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
63. Who is using it to "buttress an argument"?
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:12 PM
Jul 2015

What "argument"? And who is the "angry dog"? Time Magazine? The one who uses Time to "buttress" an argument?

What are you talking about?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
67. If the shoe does not fit you, don't be so doggone eager to cram it on your foot.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jul 2015
What are YOU talking about?




First, I wasn't speaking with you. I was responding to "moonandsixpence" who said "Fuck TIME and their clear agenda." I was agreeing with that comment with my remarks.

Second, the "angry dog" is the GOP or their supporters, who are the readers/owners of TIME magazine, by and large.

Ever hear the expression "Consider the source?" Anyone who reads TIME magazine would do very well to do just that. They weren't very kind to EITHER mentioned candidate in that little hit piece, now, were they? A jaundiced eye is a valued commodity when advocacy and partisanship are in the room.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ gains, meanwhile, have slowed. The May poll found the avowed socialist’s support spiking from 8% to 15% from a month before; this month he has the backing of 17% of Democrats.


Their polling, too, stinks on ice, as another poster (a Sanders backer) noted in this thread.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
56. Didn't Bernie call himself a Socialist?
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jul 2015

Self avowed would be correct. I like Bernie a lot but I wish he hadn't said it. According to the definition he really isn't a socialist. I think it was a mistake. It would not be an asset in the GE.

 

Andrej28

(65 posts)
97. I wondered about that, too.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jul 2015

He isn't really a socialist, because he doesn't advocate public ownership of the means of production, so why does he call himself one?

Here is one possibility. He was in YPSL (Young People's Socialist League) as a young man, which is the Brownies for the SP (Socialist Party). He knows that the Right will raise this as an issue to attack him, so he robs them of some of their power by anticipating their attack and telling everyone that he is a socialist.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,131 posts)
106. He is an avowed DEMOCRATIC Socialist
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jul 2015

who caucuses with the Democrats in Congress 93% of the time. He is not a Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist Socialist. He believes the Democratic Socialist governments of Scandinavia and some counteies in Europe have programs that would work well in the US - single payer healthcare, free college tuition, a livable minimum wage, a woman's right to make her own healthcare decisions, etc.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. Hillary haters must love the sexist little subsection at this tabloid trash site.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jul 2015

'SEE HILLARY CLINTON'S EVOLUTION IN 20 PHOTOS'

Would a respectable 'news' site do this with Jeb Bush?

 

Rolf21

(22 posts)
94. Definitely sexist.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jul 2015

All those family pictures, as if she were a breed-sow. Time should be ashamed of itself.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
6. The hype is no longer having much effect, people have begun to catch on
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:22 AM
Jul 2015

I don't get that "strong leader" stuff however. Hell, she doesn't even have the guts to take a position on TPP or the Keystone pipeline.

It's only going to get worse for her. She doesn't wear well.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. It's NOT about "hav(ing) the guts" ...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jul 2015

It's about smart campaigning.

Will you be honest enough to acknowledge that the same people DEMANDING that HRC speak to these issues are the same cohort that, also, say they don't believe a word of what she says on issues that she agrees with them on?

If, on the campaign trail, she says TPP and XL are pure evil ... (we both know) the cry for the next 15 months will be, "She lying or pandering or its a trick."

If, on the campaign trail, she supports TPP and/or XL ... (we both know) the cry for the next 15 months will be, "See? She is a lap dog of the oligarchs."

So, she takes the reasonable campaign road ... Re: TPP, "Here are my standards for a trade agreement. I will not support a trade agreement that does not meet that standard." Re: XL, "If it is on the table when I become President, I will deal with it then."

And, really ... the only people that give a care about these issues are those removed from concerns about gainful employment, a robust social safety net and dying in the streets.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
78. I don't think you will be disappointed ...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jul 2015

regardless of how well your non-preferred choice performs ... or how well, or poorly, your preferred candidate performs.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
86. So because I oppose all this intellectual dishonestY ...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jul 2015

Means I support her? If you were to check ... I have, also, opposed the same treatment directed at O'Malley.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
52. So if it is reasonable to stand on the fence about TPP and XL
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jul 2015

And Mrs. Clinton is so "smart," why the hell isn't she standing on the fence on EVERYTHING?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
79. At this point in the campaign ... ABSOLUTELY! ...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jul 2015
And Mrs. Clinton is so "smart," why the hell isn't she standing on the fence on EVERYTHING?


Because the stuff she is talking about/taking a position on ... all DEMOCRATS agree; or, at least, don't disagree.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
69. I can only speak for myself
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jul 2015

And I'm not demanding that she speak out about anything because I have no confidence that even one word that comes out of her mouth is the truth. So I will willingly admit to a certain lack of objectivity when it comes to Ms Clinton.

And while my opinion of the president is infinitely higher, I do believe he is in peril of undoing a lot of the good he has done by pushing things like TPP, arctic drilling, and Keystone.

A lot of Democrats agree that these things are a mistake and Clinton knows that.

At the same time, I actually read a post here on DU that African Americans actually support TPP simply because it was so strongly advocated by the black president. If this is true, Clinton realizes that as well and she's not about to say anything that might alienate such a large part of her potential base.

You can call that smart campaigning if you wish. To me it's a lack of any real core belief system and a lack of political courage.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
80. I think you just proved my point ...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jul 2015
At the same time, I actually read a post here on DU that African Americans actually support TPP simply because it was so strongly advocated by the black president.


I hadn't seen that. Link?

Laser102

(816 posts)
85. Or it could be that she has a certain loyalty to President Obama.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jul 2015

Maybe she respects him as many others do and doesn't wish to complicate his job by pandering to the public that insist she take a stand against him. It could be, and I'm saying this as an ardent supporter, that she knows most of these issues will be decided on before Obama leaves office. So why stab him in the back for political gains? Just another way of looking at things. By the way, I respect that.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
7. To be expected...she can't/won't answer direct questions....And good to see Bernie still increasing.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jul 2015

...love the 'socialist' dig....

riversedge

(70,049 posts)
19. "Sanders’ gains, meanwhile, have slowed..."....
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jul 2015

But, who knows--he may surge again. Too early in the silly season to make even educated guesses.





http://time.com/3977941/hillary-clinton-poll-trump/


Despite her struggles in general election match-ups, Clinton’s position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55 percent of Democrats supporting her—roughly unchanged from a year ago. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ gains, meanwhile, have slowed. The May poll found the avowed socialist’s support spiking from 8% to 15% from a month before; this month he has the backing of 17% of Democrats.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
27. "Despite her struggles in general election match-ups"
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jul 2015

"Clinton’s position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55 percent of Democrats "

So it does not matter to her supporters if she loses to Jeb in the GE as long as she wins the nomination....hmmmm.

riversedge

(70,049 posts)
41. You are making up things.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jul 2015

This is a silly and meaningless comment by you.

"So it does not matter to her supporters if she loses to Jeb in the GE as long as she wins the nomination....hmmmm."

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
66. Well what is silly about it?
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jul 2015

When you see the polls show she could lose to Bush but rally around her lead among Dems and think it is great.
Those 55% of Dems cannot elect her...even though Dems outnumber the GOP...that tells you that she loses among independents big time and is venerable in the GE...but insist that she be the one.
Sounds like a losing strategy to me.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
89. Except that far more than 55%
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:26 PM
Jul 2015

of Dems will support her in the general. Most Dems regard the contest between Hillary and Sanders as they seem to themselves. They conduct themselves like friendly rivals, not enemies.

DU is not typical of either the Democratic Party or the general.population. For some here the primaries are a blood feud, For most of us, I think , it's team practice for the real fight.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
91. I'm sure they will.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jul 2015

And even a higher percentage in the GOP will support Bush if he wins, but they can't win with that either.

PRINCETON, N.J. -- An average 43% of Americans identified politically as independents in 2014, establishing a new high in Gallup telephone poll trends back to 1988. In terms of national identification with the two major parties, Democrats continued to hold a modest edge over Republicans, 30% to 26%.



Since 2008, the percentage of political independents -- those who identify as such before their leanings to the two major parties are taken into account -- has steadily climbed from 35% to the current 43%, exceeding 40% each of the last four years. Prior to 2011, the high in independent identification was 39% in 1995 and 1999.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx

jalan48

(13,839 posts)
9. I think many American's wonder why she's even running.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jul 2015

She seems to have zero passion in her speeches and avoids answering questions on big issues like the Keystone pipeline. Evasiveness equates to non-trust with the voters. I would be concerned that she's already run out of steam if I was one of her supporters.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
12. Thank you!
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jul 2015

I will never forget that roped off thing.

Or the Keystone, lack of an answer.

Or the big Bankster donations.

Or TPP.

Or...

Hell, it just goes on and on.

No more Bush...No more Clinton.

 

november3rd

(1,113 posts)
13. Power means everything
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:45 AM
Jul 2015

To some people, power is the end in itself. Isn't that basically what O'Brien tells Winston Smith in 1984?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
24. Because she was a First Lady! And she stood by her man
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:25 AM
Jul 2015

even though she said she wouldn't in that 60 Minutes interview! Surely, she deserves the presidency for THAT!

Response to Metric System (Reply #33)

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
62. Perhaps I did. If so, I apologize.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jul 2015

I will delete my previous post just to play it safe. I have no interest in wrongly accusing anyone.
But there does appear to be an alarming tendency to reflexively accuse anyone who objects to Hillary Clinton's policies or politics of being a right-winger or at least a right-wing tool.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
64. "RW" is the all-purpose answer to differences of opinion here.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jul 2015

Even criticisms from the left are labeled "RW."

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
71. Yes. That's exactly my point
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jul 2015

Anyone who knows me (or, frankly, anyone who has read my posts over the years) would realize that it's ludicrous to accuse me of being a right-winger. And yet I've been called that on numerous occasions.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
42. Here ...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jul 2015
I think many Bernie supporters wonder why she's even running ... They, also, would wonder why O'Malley is even running ... if he were polling better."

Fixed that for you.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
47. Please stop with the projection.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jul 2015

this Bernie supporter wants many open debates where the candidates can compare, contrast and answer honest questions with real answers that can be fact checked.

Alrighty?

jalan48

(13,839 posts)
87. Maybe when she gets a little more passionate people will lsiten.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jul 2015

Right now it seems as if she's just going through the motions. I'm excited to hear talk about Keystone, trade agreements, etc.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
108. Well done!!!!
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jul 2015

She's leading their guy by 30 points, and it should be 50 points, so clearly, she should drop out.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
60. she represents the faction that's fully run the party since ~2002: they want to keep
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jul 2015

the party minimally-responsive to the canaille so that the donor gravy train keeps rolling, and that means no supermajorities, no winning with a populist instead of losing with a drip, and blaming critics and Nader every time the sun sends the wrong type of neutrino

broadcaster75201

(387 posts)
11. Oh good grief (discolure ... I am a Bernie supporter)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jul 2015

First. I'll enthusiastically vote and work for Hillary if she is nominated.

Second. At the risk of sounding like a Teabag, there are potentially some issues with the Q poll. It may be right, but at this point it's an outlier.

Third. It is WAY early to worry about polls

Fourth. Hillary is clearly waiting for the the debates, esp the GOP. It may make some nervous but I do get the strategy of "let America see the great GOP Clown Show up close.

Now, If by fall she doesn't start making some noise in her speeches and appearances I would begin to worry a little. If she doesn't by Spring I'd worry a lot. But for heavens SAKE it's early and she hasn't done anything "bad". She's also going to get to testify in Congress before a bunch of slavering Teabags.

As much as I want Bernie, Hillary's campaign experience should not be underestimated. Yeah she screwed it up with Obama but ... all that more experience.

Stop panicking and make sure every Dem voter in the Nation is registered and ready to go.

riversedge

(70,049 posts)
15. I am signed up to help with
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jul 2015

registration. I have canvassed the last few cycles and find so many are not registered. So many need help with this as for many it can be time consuming--going door to door.

broadcaster75201

(387 posts)
18. Outstanding! As am I.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:05 AM
Jul 2015

Yes. SO SO SO SO many are not registered.

And with the question of "who really owns electronic voting machines" we MUST overwhelm them with our numbers.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. It's historically Republican TIME magazine....they don't want either Clinton or Sanders to win.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jul 2015

Good post. Sensible. So rare, these days!

And good advice at the finish:

Stop panicking and make sure every Dem voter in the Nation is registered and ready to go.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
68. +1 ... A breath of fresh air, with no hair on fire chaser. ...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jul 2015

(disclosure ... I am an undecided, O'Malley leaner; but can't seem to convince DUers ... because I am vocal about my concerns about a Bernie presidency ... and am insufficiently critical of HRC ... :chuckle

Every day, there is another post (by a HRC supporter) of poll showing that HRC is leading ... followed by a statement (usually by a Bernie Supporter) saying that it is too early for polling to mean much of anything (which is true, except for the deep drilling stuff) ... followed by a poll (by a Bernie Supporter ... typically, someone who previously indicated that polling doesn't matter this far out) indicating that HRC is toast.

Every day, there are posts DEMANDING that HRC get detailed/commit to a specific position on a few issues by the same cohort that, also, say they don't believe a word of what she says on issues that she agrees with them on? (Example ... DU: "HRC is a corporatist and lap dog to the oligarchy!" HRC: "I support {insert Populist position here}." DU: "Liar!!! ... She's just copying Bernie! I've seen it in her eyes."

But the truth is ... If, on the campaign trail, she says TPP and XL are pure evil ... the cry for the next 15 months will be, "She lying or pandering or its a trick" ... from the right AND the left.

If, on the campaign trail, she supports TPP and/or XL ... the cry for the next 15 months will be, (from the left) "See? She is a lap dog of the oligarchs" (and from the right, "Liar!!! ... because BENGAZI)

So, she takes the reasonable campaign road ... Re: TPP, "Here are my standards for a trade agreement. I will not support a trade agreement that does not meet that standard." Re: XL, "If it is on the table when I become President, I will deal with it then."

As the front runner, she can, and should, do this, this far out ... I suspect she will get more detailed and more specific ... at the debates, and onward. However, O'Malley and Bernie do not have that luxury ... they have to score points, right now ... or else they will not be around later.
That's

riversedge

(70,049 posts)
17. Clinton’s position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55% of ...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jul 2015


http://time.com/3977941/hillary-clinton-poll-trump/


Despite her struggles in general election match-ups, Clinton’s position as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination remains solid with 55 percent of Democrats supporting her—roughly unchanged from a year ago. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ gains, meanwhile, have slowed.
The May poll found the avowed socialist’s support spiking from 8% to 15% from a month before; this month he has the backing of 17% of Democrats.

Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, meanwhile, has struggled for recognition, with 76% of Americans and 78% of Democrats saying they don’t know enough about him to form an opinion of him. Despite intense campaigning and jabs at Clinton and Sanders, O’Malley only garners the support of 1% of Democrats, unchanged from two months ago.

The poll of 1,644 registered voters has a margin of error of ± 2.4 percentage points and was conducted from July 23-28. The smaller sample of 681 Democrats has a margin of error of ±3.8 percentage points.

Amishman

(5,553 posts)
21. looks like Corporate Clinton's teflon coating is wearing thin
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jul 2015

The people are tired of being ignored, tired of being lied to, and tired of corporate interests. Hillary is practically the definition of a Washington insider, and her corporate ties are massive and worrying. Its no wonder that her popularity is dropping.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
29. 57% viewing her as neither honest nor trustworthy.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jul 2015

That's probably the most important number in this poll. Whether you approve of someone can fluctuate with your opinion of how they're addressing the issues of the day, but changing your opinion of someone from "not honest, not trustworthy" to "honest, trustworthy" is a much bigger leap.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
61. Washington insider, like a Congressional member since 1991? Oh, and what about Bernie's corpororate
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jul 2015

interest, are you tired of being lied to by those with corporate interest? Ask Bernie, along with his defense contractor support.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
101. Sure I have a link.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Dem_senators_spent_weekend_with_bank_energy_tobacco_lobbyists.html

Banking industry? The industry he speaks about often.

You can also check his votes on AUMF and troop expansions which in turn requires materials from defense contractors. You can add NRA who contributed to ads against his opponent and then the vote against the Brady bill.
 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
22. its a little early
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jul 2015

as it was in mid 1987 to forecast the following year's GOP decisive win. Reagan's approvals in 1987 were similar to Obama's now, and GOP candidates back then knew that.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
26. I really do worry about here ability to win.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jul 2015

I support Sanders but the one thing I want is a Democratic president for the next 8 years. It's been a while since we have had 16 years of Democrats in the White House and we really need it whether it is Hillary or Sanders or somebody else.

It concerns me that it was Hillary's to lose in 08 and she lost it. It concerns me this time not only the media sort of being against her but that she seems to be running an almost pre internet campaign, like you would have done in the 90's.

I hope either Sanders surges or she surprises me and consolidates her lead in the general but I think she's playing it WAY too safe avoiding issues that might turn off some voters and avoiding issues that might scare away rich corporations. I think when it was the MSM and negative campaign commercials that was the way the game was played, but I'm not sure it is now.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
54. that is one thing i do not worry about
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jul 2015

she is a fighter and she is disciplined. she is willing to learn and to adapt,as is clear from the many differences between her current campaign and the 2008 campaign.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
111. Mentioning Bernie's poll numbers is "bashing" him.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jul 2015

Cheering if Hilary's drop 3 points, is constructive criticism.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
32. She's being attacked from the left AND the right. No wonder it's impacting her numbers. It's funny
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jul 2015

that Sanders supporters think she's the media's favorite candidate considering the kind of reporting that has been done about her, including the bogus NYT hit pieces.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
39. The Bernie people think he is another Obama
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jul 2015

In reality, he is a senator from a tiny state with no executive or foreign policy experience.

The socialist label will be harped upon over and over and over scaring small businesspeople and independents.

Bernie is a good man .. he should remain a senator.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
44. The hate from the right will be strong against her
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:08 PM
Jul 2015

the swift boating will be without precedent

I worry about that

I will work hard for a Dem but Sanders 16 sounds good to me

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
46. People have overcome the right wing attacks already
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jul 2015

and Hillary is immune from them.

The Clintons also have a strong machine to destroy any Swift Boat type attacks. Bernie is the one ill prepared and will be a sitting duck.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
53. There is nothing to gain by revealing all positions at this stage
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jul 2015

The first primaries are months away and the field will change, the top issues will change. To offer a position now and alienate some voters unnecessarily at this stage when it may not even matter come January is not very smart.

Clinton is doing the right thing. This is how politics is played.

Bernie can afford to take extreme populist positions because the election is a "hail mary" for him and he is not too concerned about the general election because getting there is the difficult part. I think Bernie's ego will be satisfied if he is the nominee and it doesn't matter if he loses the general election.

Bernie is sort of like Trump that way.

Response to cosmicone (Reply #46)

karynnj

(59,495 posts)
93. if the Clintons really do have a machine to defeat swiftboating
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:01 AM
Jul 2015

Then as good Democrats wouldn't they use it for any Democrat in the race?

karynnj

(59,495 posts)
98. I think that is why it resonates.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jul 2015

It also hurts that she knew there were FOIA requests for which these records should have been searched.

Her one device excuse does not answer why the emails were not routinely archived with the SD on a timely basis.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
113. He appeared in your dream and told you that?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:34 PM
Jul 2015


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
43. Ugh
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jul 2015

Ugh, I hope it improves otherwise my feeling is one party doesn't usually get 3 terms anyway ... We might be toast .. GOP trifecta nightmare here we come .. I hope I am wrong but my guy feeling is bad ... Hang in there we are in for a rough one. The USA will probably not survive them having all branches of govt OMO again this time will be worse!

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
50. This is Quinnipac. Just like the swing states poll from awhile back they're still producing outliers
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jul 2015

The key to whether a poll gives a credible result is do other polls show the same shifts. The answer was no in the swing state poll and the answer still is no.

One of the primary reasons Quinnipac shows Democrats performing so poorly is they have set their demographic screen to the equivalent of the last mid-term election (The Republican "wave&quot which is at significant odds with presidential year tendencies. In this case, they're underrepresenting black and Hispanic voters.

Until other national polls show every Democratic challenger tied or losing to Bush, Walker and Rubio (yes, all three), take Quinnipac with a heap of salt.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
51. excuse me - HIGH GEAR?
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jul 2015

This pathetic campaign of listening, then listing like a damaged ship, ridiculously claiming that she won't tell you her position on the pipeline unless she is elected?

THIS CONSTITUTES HIGH GEAR?

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
58. We All Have Our Favorites, but We're Still Dems!!! Let's Remember That!
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jul 2015

I don’t have a link, but I was encouraged by a CNN poll over the weekend that showed both Hillary and Bernie beating the top 3 Repubs in the general election – Trump, Bush, Walker.

I will admit, as a Hillary supporter, I was a little surprised (but happy nonetheless) that Bernie was polling so well nationally. I am encouraged no matter whom we choose as our nominee that we can beat the Republicans - and that is JOB ONE!!! Think Supreme Court nominees!

 

Andrej28

(65 posts)
100. How would you like to punish them?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jul 2015

I know you said "Fuck them" in your post, but is that what you have in mind?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
73. come on you cheapass republicans cough up more billions for media campaigns..
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jul 2015

fox has to rehire Palin!! she was only a million a year, bring the daughters in too! They hate Mrs. Clinton more than they hate a male, black president

You should have had Mrs. Clinton down to single digits by now! only 49% 'like' her ? and its been 8 years of anti Clinton crap flinging.

Billions of dollars spent to pay hoards of hirelings, thousands of tax free political republican charities and only 49%. Republicans should be ashamed.

Ask The Donald what to do? he's got the top poll rank, hes a wealthy businessman and hasn't spent a dime of koch or charity 'donations'.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
77. This absurd Quinnipicac poll is still being touted?
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jul 2015

Really? Q Polls are horrible in terms of accuracy and stability.

 

Red1

(351 posts)
83. Bernie
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jul 2015

is a nice guy...but he doesn't have Hillarys, links..(tongue in cheek).
And with a very probable rightwing congress to have to deal with again,
clinton would fare better, imo. Yeah she sits in the same bathtub as
wall street..bfd..If the people want real change away from the rich
peoples influence..two words..."American Spring"...
ONly way for real change..

okasha

(11,573 posts)
90. All the candidates have feet of clay.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:32 PM
Jul 2015

Political hero-worshop and personality cults are dangerous to society.

PSPS

(13,577 posts)
92. The media will have its horse race come hell or high water
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:17 AM
Jul 2015

Already we're getting inundated with meaningless polls (too far away from any actual election, results always interpreted in a way to make everyone even with each other.) Hey! The media has lots of ad spaces to sell! Got to get them eyeballs and ears as well as all of those campaign-related advertising $$$.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
104. Anyone surprised that HRC..
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jul 2015

... is a weak candidate is a dolt. She has more negatives than an electron convention. She won't take a position on any tough issue. She's only running because she thinks she is "entitled" to the presidency.

She isn't.

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