The video of police killing of Sam Dubose is apparently so bad, Cincinnati is preparing for riots

[votesparks]

Source: dailykos.com

After a routine traffic stop by a University of Cincinnati Police Officer, Sam Dubose ended up dead with his face blown off. The officer was wearing a body camera, but the city refuses to release the video. In the meantime, everybody who sees it is deeply disturbed, including the city wide police chief.

Cincinnati Police Chief Jeffrey Blackwell said he's seen the unreleased footage from a University of Cincinnati officer's body camera during last week's fatal shooting and "it's not good."

"The video is not good," Blackwell said. "I think the city manager has said that also publicly. I'll leave it there."

Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/28/1406408/-The-video-of-the-police-murder-of-Sam-Dubose-is-apparently-so-bad-Cincinnati-is-preparing-for-riots?detail=facebook#

[Helen Borg]

1. I don't see how it could be "good"

[Warpy]

2. Only if DuBose had lost his shit and whipped out a pistol or machete

could it possibly be "good," meaning justified.

Yeah, another day, another DWB by a racist cop on a power trip, another person who didn't need to die because of it.

Sickening.

[redwitch]

3. I am beginning to feel completely overwhelmed by this insanity.

I am sick to my stomach from all the bad news and the knowledge that there are so many awful people in this world doing so many awful things. I have been having nightmares from watching the news. It's just too much and I feel so helpless. The city will have to release the video. And the cop may have been acting" inappropriate "comment made me furious. If we have another cold blooded murder I think it moves out of the inappropriate range and into the murderous category. Who in the world are we giving badges and guns to? I don't want these people to have any power over any of us. It is insanity and it has to stop.

[rwsanders]

10. Try to find a way to let it go...

Not ignore issues, but immersion can be a bad thing and we all need a break from the news. Alternatively, I find having a dog and sailing are very helpful.

[redwitch]

12. Thanks.

I am going to have to limit my news viewing and internet time and spend more time with Turbo Kitty and the laser pointer. Sailing would be wonderful, I hope you get to do it often.

[Sunlei]

72. I invite you and anyone else to 'free' internet fun, far away from the crazy police.

need windows and a decent computer/laptop with enough ram..but this game is free to play and will get your mind far away from real life for as long as you want. You can find sunlei on guk server if you like.

https://www.everquest2.com/home

[jtuck004]

22. That's great advice. Do you have a way of letting go of being black, and living with a

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target on your face 24X7?

Oh, and I know you care, so don't take this as disrespecting your good intentions. It's just that not everyone can let it go, and this is when that needs to be remembered.

[lostnfound]

28. It's so unfair.

A lot of people do care, and more and more WILL care as these videos keep coming out.
It sad that it is wasting so many lives in the meantime.
The ability of people to be blind to injustice that they think doesn't affect them is amazing.
But most people do really care, once they RECOGNIZE it.
How to fix it isn't so obvious. Lots of bad apples. And a system that doesn't hold them accountable.

[AllFieldsRequired]

31. There it is, the post of the year.

[jtuck004]

33. Naw, just a reminder that it's a privilege to be able to relax and shelve this, even for a moment.

Not a privilege everyone enjoys.

[New Orleans Strong]

36. I'll admit..

...I have been hugging my dog so, so much these days, but jtuck - Touché! Oh my. Just touché.

[GoneFishin]

41. lostnfound said it better than I could. I want badly for some type of accountability

revolution to take root and start sending these sick heartless b's to jail. That is where they belong. And until they are forced to face the same consequences as the rest of us for violent, murderous behavior, they probably will not stop.

I also continue to call for steroid testing of cops. Too many are clearly not right in the head, and should definitely not be carrying loaded guns.

[rwsanders]

62. Sorry I don't.

I can say that if you are in my area you can come sailing. Out on the water you can be free from it for a while (most of the time). I will say the only time I've ever been stopped for a "safety check" was in Georgia waters with my college roommate from Kenya.
I also do recognize that when I lived in CA, even though there were literally miles of parks and they were just east of Oakland I almost exclusively saw whites there, and when I lived in SC it was difficult to talk black friends into hikes because they didn't want to be out of the populated areas.
I had a co-worker when I first started sailing and she told me that "after ya'll drug us over here on ships, we don't want anything to do with boats anymore".
But anyway the invitation to sail stands.

[jtuck004]

63. Do you understand it could be a death sentence for millions just to get to your boat?

Your safe harbor is as mythical as heaven is to some.

More of a crapshoot than a party. All they have to do is get behind the wheel, and bang.

That's the problem. Not a lack of safe rooms, or nice people who will grant you safety.

The problem is living long enough to get there.

So yeah, thanks.

[rwsanders]

64. Real safety is always a myth, but hope you find a place where you are comfortable.

[jtuck004]

65. You seem to go to lengths to ignore the fact that safety is more real for white people

and the wealthy.

But that seems to be where you are most, to use your words, comfortable. Coincidentally that is where a lot of white folk are more comfortable.

Enjoy your ship.

[rwsanders]

66. Not at all.

I acknowledged that a while back. I'm sympathetic, but making that my focus will not change it.
The original point I was trying to make is that if someone is overwhelmed by what is presented in the media, it is OK to step away. If what is being shown is your daily existence, I hope and pray you find somewhere where it is not.
I have a AM friend who lives in SC and he says the same thing, but won't take any steps to move. Finding ways to step away is a good thing that is why the Sierra Club runs their inner city outings program. That is why if things are that bad, find a chapter of the Sierra Club where you can experience the outdoors in the safety of a group.
By the way, I'm not wealthy, but use what extra I have to have a boat. It's not out of reach for anyone. And I will enjoy it. It is a place to get away from what sucks in my life.

[jtuck004]

67. You don't get it. Black people cannot step away. I can't type that any slower.

Yet all you can do is come up with ways ones can relieve oneself at the spa. Or the beach. That's great if some white person is feeling that their privilege is not protecting them enough. It's so fucking, fucking hard to HEAR ABOUT IT - as opposed to actually being shot at, you see - that they need to take a break.

You don't have to be wealthy to be comfortable enough to ignore other people's tragedy.

I do hope you enjoy your boat.

cya.

[rwsanders]

68. I will enjoy it, and won't feel guilty for a second.

I've had many people and many closer to me than you try to make me feel that way and it hasn't worked so far (moms are great at guilt trips and even my mom didn't get any traction on that one).
That seems to be what you want and it isn't happening. I know it is a problem, I will acknowledge it and do what I can to end it (which isn't much) and beyond that I'll put it aside.
And yes there are ways for anyone to take a break from it if they want to do more than just complain.

[jtuck004]

69. "I will enjoy it, and won't feel guilty for a second." < You and Donald Trump seem to share

a lot, except for a bank account.

"there are ways for anyone to take a break from it if they want to" < There are millions of black folk waiting for you to explain how they step out of the skin that .
is the target of that hate 365 days a year, 24 hours a day.

Do you make the sails from your old used white sheets?

Enjoy your boat, sailor.

[rwsanders]

70. So, according to you no one can enjoy life since you are having a pity party,

because no black person can possibly enjoy having a sailboat except for:

http://www.captainbillpinkney.com/Photo_Gallery.php

or this guy (from South Africa and also physically handicapped):

http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Hope-Merchant-Apartheid-Racing/dp/1601940181/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438618882&sr=8-1&keywords=journey+of+a+hope+merchant
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-04-03/sports/0504030090_1_neal-petersen-sailing-barriers

Or these guys:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Shosholoza

These guys even went mountain climbing in Alaska:

http://sierraclub.typepad.com/explore/2012/10/expedition-denali-outdoor-diversity.html

But maybe you can still make something out of your pity party. I'd bet if you ran to the Hillary supporters and told them another Bernie supporter didn't kiss your backside that they'd hail you as a great hero for showing that once again Bernie doesn't like minorities and his supporters will destroy his campaign.

Actually, I had an even better idea. Why don't you write up a little manifesto that says exactly what kind of recreational activities are acceptable for us white folks? Please include what types of recreation, how much time and money can be spent, and an appropriate attitude to be maintained during participation. Then we can post it for everyone on DU and see how people like it.

[calikid]

40. I have two dogs and I fly, that helps me.

[Laffy Kat]

52. I used to go soaring.

There was nothing like it to let go of everything and enjoy life. Got my glider pilot license in 1991, but then started having babies and had to put it aside for a while. I'm almost ready to get current again. Looking forward to it.

[calikid]

54. Most of my flying is either in gliders or towing them up.

Several weeks ago I went on a 5 hour glider flight in a ASH 25, lots of fun. I fly out of Williams Soaring Center,[link:http://www.williamssoaring.com| you can see a photo of me as one of the tow pilots, I also took some of the photos on the web site.

[Laffy Kat]

59. Wow. Were you ever in WSPA?

My good friend (also my instructor) is also a tow pilot. We went to several WSPA seminars together. I was based out of Black Forest near Colorado Springs. You are obviously waaaaay more experienced than I am. I never flew fiberglass.

[calikid]

60. Never in WSPA, I receive alot of info just reading the posts

in the news tab @Williams Soaring, its a great community of pilots here. I don't know about waaaaay more experienced than you, (you can fool some of the people etc. etc.)but I sure feel that way compared to most of the pilots here.
Edited to add: WHAT, no fiberglass, that's all we fly here except for a ride ship that carries two passengers and the pilot. And this is no Colorado, it's been a good year for soaring here, but nothing compared to your location.

[slumcamper]

16. Me too. I feel what you feel, Redwitch.

Awful people with badges and uniforms and guns are ever so slowly killing our spirit. An insatiable hatred and absence of empathy feeds ravenously upon an incessant flow of our lifeblood and pain and tears. Evil feeds upon us. Conservatives condone it, enable it, make excuses for it. We must overcome them before we overcome it.

Remember: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Be smart, hang tough, stay strong, be safe comrade.

[redwitch]

21. And you my friend.

[philosslayer]

55. You do realize this has been going on for decades

Its just that now, with the advent of social media and the proliferation of video cameras, you're getting to hear about it more and more. Nothing has changed.

[redwitch]

58. I do realize it.

Thanks.

[Judi Lynn]

4. Wearing a body cam didn't inhibit this cop, did it? It must be acknowledged, published. n/t

[cstanleytech]

8. Agreed but on the other hand it could be so bad that they want to dont release it

if they are looking to charge the officer because if they release it now it could potential taint a jury pool and it could make getting a fair trial in the area difficult if not impossible.

[strategery blunder]

15. In that case they should make it clear that they have sufficient evidence to try the cop,

that they will try the cop for the highest available charge that the evidence supports,

and let the facts come out at trial.

The video doesn't necessarily need to be released immediately if it would probably taint the jury pool, but the city needs to make two things clear: the first, that everyone is equal under and equally accountable to the law, and the second, that justice will be done.

I do, however, recognize that there is so little public trust that cops will be held accountable to the laws (like, I'unno, don't murder people, which they do all too frequently) that the above probably comes off as pie-in-the-sky.

JMHO

[daleanime]

17. +1

[rexcat]

44. I have lived in the Cincinnati Metro area since 1988...

and cops do not get convicted in this area. A lot has to do with the prosecutors and the grand jury system and if they get a grand jury indictment the police have always won in court. I am not holding my breath for justice in this area.

On the other hand I would love to be able to eat my words!

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Yes, police and prosecutors are always very circumspect about releasing video evidence of crime

Wouldn't want to taint the jury pool!

SMDH.

[cstanleytech]

42. If its bad enough they are and it must be pretty bad for them to want hold off on this. nt

[olddots]

5. who would come here as a tourist ?

Okay its supposed to get worse before it gets better but how long do we wait ?

[BlueEye]

6. I do expect that we'll see an indictment in this case.

The video is said to be extremely graphic, obviously it depicts a man being shot in the head at point blank range and in cold blood.

Assuming that an indictment and (potentially) conviction comes out of this awful situation, this is going to reinforce that police body cameras are very good thing.

RIP Sam Dubose.

[7962]

45. They could show it up to the point of the shooting.

But theres NO need to publicly release the rest of it. It should be viewed only by admins, grand jurors, prosecutors etc. in bringing a case against the officer.

[questionseverything]

53. body cameras maybe part of the solution

but if the officer can control when the cam is on/off it is not a real help

the real help will be prosecutors equally enforcing the law

[Scalded Nun]

7. I'd like to know just one thing about this process

Why, when the cops are doing the right thing, being victimized, shot at, etc. is there never a problem releasing the video (Hey, the public has a right to know!), but when it is the cop being the bad guy (way too often, it seems) does the video never see the light of day?

If they do not want riots due to videotaped behavior then they should follow the fucking procedures for proper/acceptable behavior!

If they cannot then they need to be jailed, tossed, etc.

[Unknown Beatle]

18. And if they do release the video,

as is the case in the dash-cam video of the Sandra Bland case, it's edited. I'm not suggesting the video is going to be edited, because it seems that it can't be edited regarding someone being shot in the face, but it is in other occasions.

[jeff47]

43. In this case, the prosecutor wants to release it after a grand jury sees it.

So that the cop can't argue the grand jury was tainted by it.

Or at least, that's what the prosecutor is claiming when refusing to release it...

[philosslayer]

56. I'm not sure what you're talking about

I've seen multiple videos in recent months showing cops acting badly.

[heaven05]

9. not another one!!!!!?????

where are all these racist PIGS coming from? It's like the light from #Black Lives Matter shined on them and the all the racist roaches came out of the woodwork, scrambling all over the place shooting, killing, hanging.....oppressing POC. WTF is going on????? a train be a-coming......

[hedgehog]

11. I think the difference is that stories that featured on page B-1 of local

newspapers are now featured on the national news. Instead of seeing each case as an unfortunate local incident, larger questions about how police interact with citizens nation-wide are being raised.

[JDPriestly]

20. My question now is how long has this been going on without being reported nationally?

[Half-Century Man]

34. How long have there been newspapers with a nation wide circulation?

Add 50(at least) years to that number.

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. This is nothing new.

Cops kill three, four, five people in this country every day. And black people are disproportionately represented among the dead.

Some are justifiable. Others are not.

I posted about this guy several days ago. It dropped like a stone.

But now DailyKos has it, so it's getting some attention.

[heaven05]

19. Hasn't been "new" for 250 years

you're right. I'm finding that most are unjustified and yes some probably are, that's just probabilities. That's what's turning out to be ugly, ugly, ugly. All these people smug in their power to kill and take joy in a murder like Sandra Bland, please, keep thinking your weaponry, racism and privilege is going to prevent backlash.

[AllFieldsRequired]

32. I think far from some are justified, I think very very very few. Very few, did I say very few?

And yes, there is a new spotlight on these stories but I suspect we are still not seeing anywhere near close to all of them.

We certainly have, first and foremost, a police killing black people problem, which must be addressed first.

Somehow, some way.

And then we can address the overall problem of the militarized police state we seem to have evolved to, well not police state but also not sane.


OH yes, BTW, this very well may be a direct response to BLM, as you stated

[Starry Messenger]

26. I think you ask the right question.

It seems like a direct response with terror and killing to the Black Lives Matter movement. Cops are telling folks they don't like to have their authority questioned.

[geek tragedy]

29. I think they were always there. We're hearing about them now because of the Internet

and video technology.

And, white people FINALLY started paying attention to people getting shot by the cops.

[Psephos]

46. this is quite true n/t

[Marthe48]

37. A Native American activist died in jail

the day before Sandra Bland was found dead:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/another-civil-rights-activist-dies-mysteriously-in-police-custody/207999/

My husband and I are overwhelmed with the killings and the number of cops getting away with murder. But I doubt the cop who pulls the trigger or the institution that covers his/her ass sees it as murder. Just read the comments after any story on these murders. The hatred is palpable. I once spent 2 hours reporting racist comments on one of the sites, for one story. But none of us can stop fighting. The rednecks go crazy if you take their flag away. We all need to go crazy every time a person is murdered in cold blood by those who are supposed to serve and protect. I hope there aren't riots in Cincinnati, but I hope the light of #BlackLivesMatter is a laser point that cuts murder out of acceptable police response. Sam duBose died because he didn't have a freaking front license plate? Sandra Bland died because she didn't signal a lane change? But she was changing lanes because the cop was parked on the shoulder? Rexdale Henry died because of an unpaid fine? And on and on and on.

[tblue37]

48. Where are they are all coming from? The KKK and other such white supremacist organizations!

FBI’s warning of white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement nearly forgotten

http://thegrio.com/2015/05/12/fbi-white-supremacists-law-enforcement/

Because of intensifying civil strife over the recent killings of unarmed black men and boys, many Americans are wondering, “What’s wrong with our police?” Remarkably, one of the most compelling but unexplored explanations may rest with a FBI warning of October 2006, which reported that “White supremacist infiltration of law enforcement” represented a significant national threat.

Several key events preceded the report. A federal court found that members of a Los Angeles sheriffs department formed a Neo Nazi gang and habitually terrorized the black community. Later, the Chicago police department fired Jon Burge, a detective with reputed ties to the Ku Klux Klan, after discovering he tortured over 100 black male suspects. Thereafter, the Mayor of Cleveland discovered that many of the city police locker rooms were infested with “White Power” graffiti. Years later, a Texas sheriff department discovered that two of its deputies were recruiters for the Klan.

In near prophetic fashion, after the FBI’s warning, white supremacy extremism in the U.S. increased, exponentially. From 2008 to 2014, the number of white supremacist groups, reportedly, grew from 149 to nearly a thousand, with no apparent abatement in their infiltration of law enforcement.

This year, alone, at least seven San Francisco law enforcement officers were suspended after an investigation revealed they exchanged numerous “White Power” communications laden with remarks about “lynching African-Americans and burning crosses.” Three reputed Klan members that served as correction officers were arrested for conspiring to murder a black inmate. At least four Fort Lauderdale police officers were fired after an investigation found that the officers fantasized about killing black suspects.

<SNIP>

[MADem]

51. They've always been with us, sad to say.....

The difference now is that these pigs are being recorded--they are forced to wear cameras, some of them, AT LONG LAST, and citizens are pulling out their phones and recording stuff, too, when they see it.

I held off for the longest time getting a phone that had that kind of capability. I mean, what do I need it for? I barely used a cell phone, anyway! There's no call for me to have such a high tech item....

But then, I saw how people could find themselves in a fix where they could text even when they couldn't talk...and then I saw stuff on tv where the "official version" of events didn't match the citizen-cellphone-version...and I said to myself, "Hell, it's time!"

I've figured out how to text, film, talk pics, and watch videos on the damn thing--but making a call? Ha ha--that takes me a few minutes to figure out on the few times I've done it!!

Still, I hope I never see the day when I have to use the phone to record a crime against a person, by the police or anyone else...but in that event, I'm ready!

[heaven05]

57. mine is always fully charged

and at ready. They are life saving devices sometimes. The recording ability is finally putting these swamp dwellers calling themselves 'peace officers' on front street. People are getting pissed. Well I see where this troglydyte is getting charged with murder. It's a start in his case. Like I know, if his body cam had developed a 'malfunction', he would have walked free. 9 out of 10 of these murderers/executioners, do.

[yardwork]

14. This white person is absolutely fed up with police brutality and racism.

We need to do something. Massive lawsuits may be the only way to change this. Money talks.

[Dont call me Shirley]

23. Sam...

Force the KKKops out of our police forces! They are to protect and serve all of us!

[Fred Sanders]

24. "Race riot"? Because only one race wants Justice any reaction with any violence has to be called this insulting term?

Another example of white privilege, the privilege to print slanted shit repeatedly and fling it at the audience until the audience gives up and just gets used to the smell.

And so also the gun death tally in America moves forward to 30,000 annually yet again.

[AllFieldsRequired]

35. Whoever used that term must be fired, instantly.

[LiberalAndProud]

25. Attorney for UC police officer says he expects indictment

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/colleges/uc-news/ray-tensing-sam-dubose-attorney-for-uc-police-officer-talks-exclusively-to-wcpo-about-shooting

CINCINNATI – The attorney for the University of Cincinnati police officer who shot and killed a black motorist says he expects the grand jury to indict him.

"I wouldn't be surprised if there is an indictment, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't an indictment, but I think it's more likely there will be an indictment," attorney Stew Mathews told WCPO on Tuesday.

[sadoldgirl]

27. If the video is too bad to be shown

then why is the cop on paid leave instead
of being arrested?

You or I would be arrested to wait for trial
immediately. Instead he is still getting
his pay!

[geek tragedy]

30. cops have very effective unions. nt

[christx30]

38. People wouldn't be so angry over it

if we could reasonably expect any kind of accountability.
But instead the cop will have a month of paid administrative leave (vacation), and a grand jury will let him off. ("As you can see from the body cam, the moon was in that position, and the officer did take into account the curvature of the earth.&quot
And then the police and the city will wonder why the anger and riots happen. And they will blame minorities for the lack of trust.
These predictions are brought to you by people that brought you "water is wet" and "the sky is blue".

[irisblue]

47. Cincinnati has rioted before over police killing unarmed black men

Timothy Thomas was shot by a patrol officer, near point blank range in April 2001. Thomas was being chased by LEO over traffic tickets.

[maxsolomon]

50. Over The Rhine is much different now.

3CDC has dispersed much of the Section 8 housing formerly concentrated there.

If riots happen they will happen elsewhere. Although I haven't lived in Cincy for 25 years, I know several neighborhoods that should board up their windows when that video comes out.

[davidpdx]

49. His face blown off?

Jesus that is bad. No wonder they won't release the video yet. The gunshot had to have come at pretty close range.

[Blue_Tires]

61. I told you all a long time ago -- Open season on black folks...

[Sunlei]

71. If they fire the police-murderer and charge him with crimes, there will be no riots.