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Mon May 7, 2012, 11:17 PM

New French president to formally announce Afghanistan withdrawal

Source: The Hill

New French president to formally announce Afghanistan withdrawal
By Julian Pecquet - 05/07/12 05:27 PM ET

Newly elected French President François Hollande will formally announce at this month's NATO summit that he plans to withdraw French troops from Afghanistan in 2012 despite reservations from President Obama and NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Britain's Telegraph newspaper is reporting.

Hollande spokesman Manuel Valls said France would use the summit to “announce the withdrawal of its forces from Afghanistan between now and the end of the year,” the Telegraph reports. France has about 3,400 troops in Afghanistan, the fifth largest contingent.

Hollande, who takes office next week, vowed during the presidential campaign to pull out all French forces in 2012 after four French troops were shot dead by a rogue Afghan soldier.
Delivering on that promise could prove touchy for France's relationship with NATO and the United States. An early withdrawal before 2014 would need to be agreed upon by NATO at the summit, something that seems far from assured.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/225845-new-french-president-to-announce-afghanistan-withdrawal-despite-concerns-from-obama-nato

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Reply New French president to formally announce Afghanistan withdrawal (Original post)
kpete May 2012 OP
Gregorian May 2012 #1
IvanTheRed1233 May 2012 #21
Sarcasticus May 2012 #2
freshwest May 2012 #3
Lucky Luciano May 2012 #5
harmonicon May 2012 #11
freshwest May 2012 #14
harmonicon May 2012 #16
freshwest May 2012 #20
Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #4
Kalidurga May 2012 #6
IamK May 2012 #10
Dragonfli May 2012 #7
Proletariatprincess May 2012 #8
freshwest May 2012 #15
David__77 May 2012 #9
tsuki May 2012 #12
harmonicon May 2012 #17
bvar22 May 2012 #13
byeya May 2012 #18
harun May 2012 #19

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:23 PM

1. Yes!

It doesn't take billions to manage the Taliban. Get the hell out.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #1)

Tue May 8, 2012, 02:29 PM

21. YOU GO!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:24 PM

2. "3,400 troops in Afghanistan, the fifth largest contingent."

 

You'd never know that from our neocon media. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh the French are cheese-eating surrender monkeys!

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Response to Sarcasticus (Reply #2)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:34 PM

3. Yeah, this is the first I heard of it. When I saw the headline, I said, 'uh?'

Good for them. They've got too much to do at home to have adventures abroad.

Now why Greece went the other way, in terms of going right, IDK.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #3)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:42 PM

5. Because they were being run by socialist austerity folks. nt

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Response to freshwest (Reply #3)

Tue May 8, 2012, 08:05 AM

11. What makes you say Greece went to the right?

The coalition of the radical left won the second highest number of seats, and the center-right party which won the largest number of seats still lost seats. A few radical right parties got in, but because they were anti-austerity, which is a right-wing policy. I'll be interested to see what, if anything, happens about them forming a functional government that can last long enough to do anything.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #11)

Tue May 8, 2012, 01:03 PM

14. It was this thread, although it's not the whole picture. KKE also won seats.

ATHENS — Greece's two main parties suffered big losses in elections Sunday, exit polls showed, rocking the eurozone state's austerity plans after a strong showing by protest groups including the neo-Nazis.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10241554

And from this link on another thread which went a bit further:

Neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn was also set to enter parliament for the first time since the end of the military junta in 1974, with 6.5-7.5 percent, making it the sixth-biggest party in the 300-seat chamber with some 20 lawmakers.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jGARYCZXVDb5hosnp3ZKL9SThAGQ?docId=CNG.dcf83fd76a13c941c4681353fe595c6d.6b1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10241554

I was told on another thread that the socialists in charge of Greece were putting the austerity measures on them. My understanding was that in Greece, as in Italy earlier, the standing leaders were the fall guy for the EU, wanting austerity forced on them.

Other stories show widespread suffering from the cuts, including the man who committed suicide and the theft of the working people's savings by the banks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101491842

I don't pretend to grasp the complex workings of the parliamentary coalitions or the results. But electing neo-Nazis screams 'right' to me. It appears to be part of a populist revolt. What I also don't understand is what the Greeks and Italians did as a people, that was so wrong that they are having so much taken away from them. As one protest in Greece said earlier this year, why should they pay to cover the losses of bank speculators?

When I've asked politically interested friends in the UK, they indicate that both the Italians and Greeks 'had it coming to them' and were terminally unable to make their systems work, thus deserved having this forced on them.

'Their own fault' and 'hopeless,' were the expressions used. I quit asking, sensing there was a streak of nationalism rising to the surface I was uncomfortable with.

n/t

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Response to freshwest (Reply #14)

Tue May 8, 2012, 01:10 PM

16. On the whole I don't think it was a swing to the right, but we'll just have to wait and see, I guess

Having the neo nazis in parliament is certainly disturbing, but I can't imagine anyone forming a coalition with them, so I doubt they'll have much power - but what do I know? The radical left are now the second largest party in Greece, and I think that's more telling than the rise of the right - I imagine it's just a case of people deciding to actually vote for who they'd have always wanted to represent them, but feeling like they'd be wasting their votes before. I haven't talked to any of my Greek friends here about it. I'd be interested in what they had to say, but I also don't want to get into an argument with them over issues that I obviously can't sympathize with like they can. I think the austerity is complete BS, and the socialists were basically black-mailed into signing onto it.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #16)

Tue May 8, 2012, 02:23 PM

20. I think the previous government was definitely blackmailed, it was just so surprising after reading

So much vitriol pointed at the Germans, as the old WW2 enemy by Greeks, that any of them went that way. Naturally, there are good reasons for the Greeks and Italians to throw out everyone. I have been unable to get a discussion on this from people there I can decipher.

We have our ways of thinking here, they have theirs. Much the same as I know Mexicans who really hate Hugo Chavez. I don't see what he does that is so wrong, but they regard him as a crook, although he strikes some as being a champion for the poor, and thus okay.

On the Greek and Italian crisises, when I asked, if it is true as they say, that people who paid in to their pensions are doing without, is that not theft? And that when banks or hedge fund people have played a game, and now expect governments to pay them for it from people that didn't get the profits, is that not theft, too?

They say I am naive, that those banks did fund those governments on a level most of us cannot understand, and they didn't act responsibly with the funds they were given. They also have unanimously said that Kucinich and Sanders and the audit of the Federal Reserve is nonsense. For my own part, I think this is the voice of the 1%, people like the Koch brothers, who call for austerity and letting the poor and elderly die. They think they are victims of prolifigate spending but never seem to factor in the cost of the wars, the daily discrimination and oppression that goes on, and the conquests of other nations as was done to native peoples here and mnay feel deserve restitution. When you finally get there, they say it is the way of the world and that Americans are ignorant of how the world really is.

And as you say, we are not emotionally connected to their history and have not lived through the results of WW2, for which Europe paid a terrible price. More than most Americans can comprehend. I tread carefully as there are long-time grudges and griefs that only require the right trigger words to go off.

Much like many in the USA lose all rational thought at the mention of the word Communist, etc. The thinking part of the brain sputters to a halt and it's all instinct or reflexes. I can't blame them.

I briefly helped a man who survived a Nazi concentration camp and had one of those tattoos on his arm. It wasn't a neat sort of thing, the tattoo was sloppy and it must have hurt him just to look at it. He was suffering a bout of psychosis, and his family brought him to the hospital.

He was convinced the security men that were patrolling outside at night, were prison guards and that they would be 'coming for us.' He was 'not with us,' as I say, 'not oriented to time and space' as others say. It took him a weeks to come back and he clung to me like a life boat.

A Jewish friend in middle school, when I said I'd picked German as an elective, leapt to the conclusion I hated Jews and must want to kill them. I knew a man whose Armenian grandmother was forced to watch as her son's eyes were gouged out in front of her. We never know what these people went through.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon May 7, 2012, 11:41 PM

4. Good!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 12:09 AM

6. We should follow them...

they do have some good cheese.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #6)

Tue May 8, 2012, 06:38 AM

10. we will .... In about 20+ years.... n/t

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 12:53 AM

7. What are WE waiting for? A new war to support the military welfare queens? /nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 01:56 AM

8. this is great news.

The French have done the right thing dumping Sarkozy. Hollande will prove that the will of the French people is more important than the will of NATO and the USA. Viva France!

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Response to Proletariatprincess (Reply #8)

Tue May 8, 2012, 01:04 PM

15. +1

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 06:24 AM

9. Wow they have a quick turn-around from election day to assumption of office.

I presume that voting is much more centralized in France - none of this county-level nonsense?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:15 AM

12. Oh noes. Am I going to have to start eating

freedom fries and freedom toast again?

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Response to tsuki (Reply #12)

Tue May 8, 2012, 01:12 PM

17. No, Sarkozy was of the same party as the leader who brought us those things.

Damn cheese-eating surrender monkeys. Clearly they're now Socialists, like Obama, so they'll eat whatever he eats - Kenyan food, I suspect.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 12:51 PM

13. Now THERE is some "austerity" I can get behind!

If we can't afford Medicare for Everyone,
we can't afford our Global Armies of Occupation.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #13)

Tue May 8, 2012, 01:35 PM

18. Austerity for the 700+ US military bases throughout the world

 

and the concentration camp in Cuba we run.
We also can cut that part of the State Department that called the military coup in the Maldives
"constitutional" because the elected president was pointing out that his country - with an average
elevation of 4 feet - is in danger of disappearing beneath the waves due to climate change.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 01:48 PM

19. That's how you cut costs!

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