CNN panel explodes ex-cop says Bland died 'arrogant from - beginning'
Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2015, 02:52 PM - Edit history (1)
Source: Raw Story
CNN contributor and former NYPD detective Harry Houck argued on Tuesday that a Texas woman would not have died in police custody if she had not been arrogant from the very beginning.
An officer does have the choice to bring anyone out of the vehicle when he stops them for his own safety, Houck told CNNs Don Lemon on Tuesday. The whole thing here is that she was very arrogant from the beginning, very dismissive of the officer, alright?
She has a right to be irritated, Hill said. A lot of us get irritated when we get pulled over. This officer comes to her and says, Is there something wrong? You seem like you have an attitude. Hes trying to pick a fight with her.
Sometimes police officers act as if youre not completely kowtowing and deferential, that somehow youre violating a law, he continued. This is a perfect example of how vulnerable black women are in public spaces to law enforcement.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/cnn-panel-explodes-after-ex-cop-says-sandra-bland-died-because-she-was-arrogant-from-the-beginning/
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CNN Cop is being as much of a dickhead as the arresting officer.
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If you look at the Texas Department of Public Safety released video, it is clear that the arresting officer escalated the dynamics by prodding Sandra's emotional state. When she answered that she was frustrated for doing a good thing of pulling out of the way of the officer, it is as if she called him a butthole and this enraged him.
Also, I've got a GD thread about the fact that the video is doctored.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026997176
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Texas Department of Public Safety States Arrest Film is Glitched
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Los Angeles Times has released an article that stipulates the slips in the Sandra Bland arrest video is a technical problem (a glitch). As remarked in their item "Sandra Bland arrest video wasn't edited, had technical problems, Texas officials say"
http://www.latimes.com/videogallery/84048363/NewsSomber/Sandra-Bland-arrest-video-has-continuity-problems-anomalies-25-minutes-in
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msrizzo
(796 posts)Houck was a total dick. But he saw the same thing we all saw and that was his honest reaction. Tells you a lot right there. Excuse me but please write the memo that we are all supposed to bend to the will of police officers in every encounter no matter what our actual rights might be. Some of us didn't get that memo. And moreover, some of us are trying to figure out how the same people who think that not being happy about being treated unfairly somehow equals grounds for being killed.
DBoon
(22,356 posts)When did that become part of the criminal code?
I didn't get that memo either.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)in serious trouble than there are common citizens in trouble.
And this one is one of them. If he wants to act like Cartman then give him a three wheeler to patrol with.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)The cop obviously wanted to "put her in her place."
Meanwhile, cops always say, "Please,sir" and "Thank you, sir" and "Sorry for the inconvenience, sir" to me.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)A compound offense.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)The Trifecta!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Not driving a second hand barrel is a capital offense too; it causes envy and distress to those who believe all PoC should live in poverty.
She was 'uppety' just for driving that car.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)but I have heard that expensive cars can be cop- bait
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)As a caucasian, protestant man who is not OBVIOUSLY gay, I could drive them with impunity.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)but I don't doubt that being Black and female may annoy them more.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)still_one
(92,136 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)considered talking back.
If a white person says it, no problem.
This white cop on CNN is a piece of shit, and is the problem
Who is the Black host of this show? Why in the FUCK is he taking such a STUPID position on this?
White folk best be wary of the day the Black folk will be done talking about this, and be ready to do something.
Be sure if you reverse the roles for the past 200 yrs, this would NOT be happening, the white folks being treated like this would have done major damage by now. MAJOR
When this piece of SHIT says it isnt racial I want to EXPLODE
valerief
(53,235 posts)Bland may not be alive and well in America but racism sure as hell is.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Arrogant authority pig....
This officer arresting Sandra, obviously escalated the entire affair.
And he seems to have gone to the same Sig Heil Police Academy of Houck.
Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)The highest likelihood of getting killed is when different law enforcement agencies partner together on a case. On a stop, one will tell you to raise your hands, and the other will tell you to keep your hands on the steering wheel. The result is tragic. And then, the cops have a story they will share as if it's a funny anecdote from work.
So, yes, it's about time that they all come up with a standard procedure so we can have a better chance of surviving these stops.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)then we would all know - when a violation was occurring.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)acting like an occupying army of victors over a race of people that have defeated and subjugated to their will. Pure and simple. Baltimore, Ferguson, occupying militarized armies to put down the 'black' rebellion. Houck? POS. pure and simple. The two panderers, speak for themselves. Mark....
marble falls
(57,077 posts)so I won't say what I really think of the shaved headed little white supremacist.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Murder at will - do as I say - or my police badge gives me the right to kill
marble falls
(57,077 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Instead, he just had to keep pushing buttons.
It's like he knew - all he had to do - was just keep prodding and blam, blam, blam
marble falls
(57,077 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)for violating protocol.
And we are not even at the larger issue of her demise....
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)And if a cop will arrest you for being uppity, and keep you in jail for 3 #$%$ days for a lane change violation, she had every reason to be scared of a cop. If she hasn't of passed away, she would probably still be there.
Tragic and stupid to have had this happen to her. I hope this guy spends the rest of his life in prison.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)The list of named capital offenses of black citizens against cops is growing. I already knew about Driving While Black and Walking While Black. So far this year I've identified the following:
Looking funny at a cop
Looking a cop in the eye
Failure to make eye contact
Inviting friends to a swimming pool in one's own housing complex and acting like a bunch of teenagers (actually nobody died in that one, but they were told they should be grateful nobody died)
Now: Terminal Uppityness
I'm signing up for the next Mars mission.....
marble falls
(57,077 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)And if this pig hadn't murdered Bland, he wouldn't deserve to have his racist ass thrown in prison for the rest of his fucked up life.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2015, 02:01 PM - Edit history (1)
their heads should explode. On what planet is 'arrogance' punishable by death, apparently this one.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Officer has been taken off the street - for violating protocol.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Not all, but most of them try their best to escalate the situation so they can pile on more serious charges.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)He is just absurd. Didn't he know that everything was being recorded?
niyad
(113,259 posts)was a chicago native, not a texan, although she was moving to texas.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Granted by civilians.
Police can open carry an arsenal and arrest civilians on cause, spy at will, etc. etc., etc., shockingly enough there is no actual power granted to do anything about "subjectively perceived disrespect".
I know this because I live and breath.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)me. I'm thinking about attending her funeral.
A brutal, hideous miscarriage of justice.
niyad
(113,259 posts)more than a gentle touch on the wrist.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Not this time.
The FBI is investigating this and it is ALL over the news.
Things have reached a. critical mass here -- One can feel it. We're
at the point of change, big change
niyad
(113,259 posts)my breath. not only was she dwb, but she was dvbw.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)But it does nag, that common sense, of the empirical evidences heretofore.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)You could network on how we can assist in the future.
A very good thing.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:26 PM - Edit history (1)
of Chicago who wants to go, it's being held at the African Methodist Episcopal Church in Lisle, Il. The viewing is at 9:00 am and the funeral service is at 11:00 am
If any from DU would like to meet me there, please pm me. We could attend as a group, or not.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)I meant to put out a thread - the day before - but failed to get the dates right (in my head).
whathehell
(29,067 posts)contacted me. I, myself, was unable to go due to a last minute glitch in plans, but I did send flowers with a condolence note to the church. :
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Thanks for taking the time and effort
whathehell
(29,067 posts)It wasn't your responsibility. in particular, but your wanting to help is appreciated
and indicative of your good soul.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Did not ask her if something was wrong either.
He asked "You okay?"
BLAND: "I'm waiting on you. This is your job. I'm waiting on you. What do you want me to do?"
Cop: "You seem very irritated."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/transcript-traffic-stop-sandra-bland-arrested-32617883
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Then he picks on her about her response (trying to lay all the blame on her).
SNAP - he gets upset and requests she put her cigarette out - and when this pushes her to far
now he is really pissed - as he threatens to snatch her from the car.
Sheessshhh!
kacekwl
(7,016 posts)was finish his ticket or warring and go on his merry way. Asked a question and didn't like the answer.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)All he had to do is say I'm giving you a warning ticket and let her go on her way.
Instead, he became upset and went off the deep end.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)Quayblue
(1,045 posts)tclambert
(11,085 posts)I wish they all learned to have as thick skin as he does.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)that he is paid to do.
Same for any person who works with the public and has to bring bad news.
It's part of his job. Same for judges. Same for doctors. Same for nurses. Especially for nurses.
And especially for TEACHERS. Teachers take some of the most awful abuse around for nothing. The officer was giving this driver a ticket the driver could not afford. It's understandable that the driver was angry. Teachers tell students to just be polite and get horrible treatment sometimes even injured, but they too are paid in part to be patient and firm without losing self-control.
It's part of the job. It takes a strong person to stay calm. But that is part of the job. And if an officer or other person cannot stay calm, then they should look for different work.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)It has not changed for the better since 1992.
People are generally much more mean spirited, vindictive and self-centered than 23 years ago. Just the way Raygun and his ilk have wanted things to evolve.
Cops are infinitely worse, much more like stormtroopers now.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Most Zen cop on the planet. "Have a nice day"
secondwind
(16,903 posts)democrank
(11,092 posts)The person who set this fracas in motion was the Texas cop who was looking for trouble from minute one.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Job of all officers - is to keep the peace - not create sagas.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)to war over slavery, and they are getting more violent all the time.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)1) If she wasn't so arrogant she wouldn't have committed suicide?
2) If she wasn't so arrogant the police wouldn't have killed her.
Which one makes any sense??
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:23 PM - Edit history (1)
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Update at 8:19 p.m.:Just hours after the video of Sandra Blands arrest was released, the pews were filled at the Johnson Phillip All Faiths Church on Prairie View A&Ms campus Tuesday night for an hour long memorial service.
Blands mother, Geneva Reed-Veal, told an energized crowd while pacing back and forth that something occurred that is going to change the world.
Before she returned to Texas, Reed-Veal said her daughter told her: My purpose is to go back to Texas and stop all the injustices in the South.
Ignore the headline distraction:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/07/authorities-to-release-dash-cam-footage-from-sandra-bland-arrest.html/
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And such makes the suicide all the more unlikely.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)and just newly arrived in the South from Chicsgo, to do something about it all, starting in a county in Texas infamous for black voter suppression and also much else.
That is some sad stuff, sorry to advise.
Her blind mother is going to take up the cause, and I wish her well because she gets it.
Racial justice in America is a human rights issue, not just a racial inequality or an economic inequality or even social inequality issue, symptoms of the same lack of human rights and justice.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)his long career?
Did he get an award for each one, I wonder?
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)He pushed her buttons by his remarks, she pushed his buttons right back because she was in the right. The cop should have brushed it off, given her a warning and let her go on her way and he continue patrolling. So sad what happened. The cop's attitude was, I'll show that uppity black woman who's boss.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)He got pissed - for no good reason - and that resulted in the demise of an activist.
That we'll probably never know the truth about.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)... what I want to know is why this cop refused to ever answer her question of WHAT she was being arrested for! She kept asking if she was under arrest and he kept saying yes. Then she'd ask just what she was being arrested for, and he never gave an answer. I mean.... if she was lucid enough to ask that question, wasn't he duty-bound to give her an answer???
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)that she was technically under arrest when he pulled her over.
And that's bull chit!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Because that is PRECISELY what he's suggesting.
Anansi1171
(793 posts)He said Trayvon Martin would be alive if he didn't have a "street attitude".
He's an expert on that most pervasive of racist, right-wing reactionary memes "The Knockout Game". An EXPERT!!!!!!
CNN pays him to poor salt on the wounds of dead blacks.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Watch CNN to learn how the corporate media wants to manipulate the news to serve the personal agendas of a handful of folks. Not sure what race these media manipulator are...but that is irrelevant, I do not know why I even mentioned that.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)I turn the channel every time he is on CNN.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Too arrogant? Ah those uppity blacks not knowing their place...
What a prick.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)not using their turn signal?
I used to work in transportation for a large university with a police dept. I routinely drove cop cars on the freeway to various dealerships, usually in the fast lane, you should have seen the drivers getting out of the way, it was like the parting of the Red Sea, most didn't use their turn signals.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And - in NYC - using your turn signal serves as an invitation to get cut off.
You think your going to get in front of me
Fah'get about it!
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)and Waller is near Houston but it's not the same. Houston, generally they don't pull you over for improper lane change or speeding less than 10 miles over the speed limit. But out in the country, yeah, especially with out of state plates.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It was the out of state plates that motivated this crop officer
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Pure thug.
One must ask if he committed any atrocities during his tenure at the NYPD and the Marines.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Black folks who talk back deserve death...Message received and understood....
murielm99
(30,733 posts)You don't have to get out of the car. They don't get to search the car automatically. You can lock your car behind you if you get out and refuse to submit to a search, and still be within your rights.
I often drive with my two dogs. They would go nuts if I got out, or if someone searched. They are obedience trained, sweet, gentle dogs. But they would go nuts.
Arrogant? She was an educated woman. She probably knew her rights.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)I live in Dallas and in the morning I am going to be "lighting" up their phones in that city.
I am also going to make calls in Dallas and Austin!!
yurbud
(39,405 posts)it can be lethal.
samsingh
(17,595 posts)samsingh
(17,595 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Why doesn't the CNN pig just use the word he really wants to say? You know he is thinking "uppity"
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)If the video is obviously edited - ye must remove it.
Kingofalldems
(38,451 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:52 PM - Edit history (1)
The cop even said it was a warning. Hauck belongs on Fox news.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)that's angry because the President is only half white.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)bonniebgood
(940 posts)racist sack of shit.
matt819
(10,749 posts)Middle aged white guy here.
I was pulled over a few years ago in my small town. By the police chief. Who knew me, at least by site if not by name.
He turned on his lights in a bad spot, so I pulled off when I thought it was safe, and he asked me to get out of the car.
I did.
Then, with that dead-eyed look only cops and serial killers have, asked me why I didn't stop immediately. I explained, moving my hands to point. He then directed me to stop waving my hands around. What did he want me to do, point with my chin?
I don't remember why I was stopped. I think it was a rear light out or something. Got a warning.
Overall, he was a dick. Is there a law that says a cop can't also be a human being? I remember that incident and still consider him a dick. He's probably forgotten.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Was an evidence photo of what was supposed to be the untouched cell.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Frustrating...
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)to get away from him. That's where the racial profiling may come in as this case develops.
This is just a theory.
PSPS
(13,591 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)He pulled over someone for NOT having an insurance card... gave that person a warning ticket.
Then he begins up the road, makes a left turn, zooms up behind the girl, who then moves over and he lights her up....
He had no way of knowing, before he sped up, that she was not white.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Going the other way. When she saw him coming up behind her, she pulled over to the right to get out of his way.
I would do the same, thinking that the cop got a call he was responding to even without a siren or lights. Why else would he have made a u-turn?
In her case it turned out he made a u-turn to hassle a black woman - there was no obvious reason for him to turn around in order to follow her; no reason for him to pull her over since it was apparent she was doing it to let the cop car pass her. The only reason I could see from the long video was that he saw a black person/woman he could pick on.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)A prior tape, showed he pulled over another- giving them a warning ticket (for no insurance card).
then he pulled out, drove down the road and made a Left Turn - coming immediately up behind Sandra
where she then moved over (as she said, to get out of his way and let him pass) - when he then turned on his lights.
reorg
(3,317 posts)1:13-1:19 min. into the video, he clearly gets a good look at Sandra Bland's car on the opposite lane, and this is when he makes the u-turn, hits the gas in order to catch up and stops her after she is trying to make way for him.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)This one begins withe him giving the warning to a driver in a red car. At 1:20-1:30 the police cam shows him turning around - a full 180 degree turn. He does use a T-intersection but he continues on to reverse his direction of travel.
PSPS
(13,591 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)for not having the insurance.
just prior to pulling over Sandra Bland
marym625
(17,997 posts)It's on YouTube
Fuck this guy! Coming at the officer? She gave him her license, insurance, registration and was signing the warning. He was on a power trip over a Yankee ,black woman not sucking his dick.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)try to make it "two sides to a story",even if there is
only one.
"To help and serve" has become "I am the power,
and can do to you whatever I want".
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Then CNN talks to a an ex-cop who's now got a job bloviating at a desk.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Of the haterd amongst U.S.
Chemisse
(30,809 posts)He DID pick a fight with her. He could see that she was not as compliant as he expected her to be and he poked at her to get the responses that he felt justified the escalation that followed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)The news bizz is out of control ,they will do well as a country falls apart partially from their creating news .
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)...dont they?
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)in court. I could see her being pissed at what was happening, but not despondent.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)If what they say is true, about the cameras being motion sensitive
Wouldn't it have picked up her getting the plastic bag from the trash can.
It all stinks ...to high heaven