LAPD finds 1,200 guns, two tons of ammo in dead man's Pacific Palisades home
Source: Los Angeles Times
It wasn't what police expected to find when they searched a man's Pacific Palisades home last week.
More than 1,200 guns were strewn about the Palisades Drive house and garage, police said. The weapons ranged from high-end pistols to shotguns and rifles. Many had never been fired. Some were still wrapped in their boxes, with the price tags still attached.
It was a "staggering number of guns," said LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith. Police also found roughly two tons of ammunition.
"Our truck couldn't carry it all," Smith said. "We had to go back and make another trip."
Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-guns-20150720-story.html
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Only with guns. I would bet all are legally acquired. There are a whole lot of people in this country with 1000 guns.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)In the hands of a few thousand anti-social extremists.
American doesn't want guns. Gun nuts do.
Tick tock... The tipping point approacheth.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Stocks....sort of like stuffing the mattress only with a possibility of a good return on the money. Guns have alwaya been a decent investment purchased correctly.
Warpy
(110,898 posts)"Obammy's gonna git yer guns!" garbage coming out of the NRA and their right wing flacks. The fact that they were all in their original packaging says a lot, he was hoping guns were going to get grabbed and he'd make a lot of money on his stash.
Of course, if they were all purchased recently and represent only the tip of a large iceberg of gun purchases over months or years, chances are very good he was supplying gangsters in Mexico.
It will be interesting to find out how he died and whether he was a fool or a gun runner.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)While addicted to spending money, or an avid collector, or was a horder, investor, who knows what.We will know more if a list of weapons is released. If it's a bunch of ar15s and glocks he may be what you are describing. If they are boxed 60"s and 70's Smith and Wesson and Colt revolvers and 1911s, well then this is probably his retirement plan and worth serious money. Apparently he lived his life and didn't bother anyone or come up on anyone's radar as most gun owners large and small do. Again, there are quite a few people with this many and more guns...maybe 100s of thousands.
A few years ago around 1000 mid century new in box hand guns came out of someone's horde. They brought big money on gunbroker. A good investment made in the 70's.
Warpy
(110,898 posts)but I'll bet the reason is more sad than infuriating.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)You should see my video game collection. You would need two trucks to carry out every game and system. But I get a pass because games don't hurt and guns can.
Warpy
(110,898 posts)and I unloaded half of each already.
Still, with them still in their original packaging and most of them out of the packaging never having been fired, I'm inclined to believe the reason is a sad one.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)..at least according to wishful thinking of certain members, which would have been two or three years before I joined in 2006.
Funny thing, though- gun control laws have got more and more liberal during
that same period...perhaps you could explain this conundrum for us?
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)This guy had been listening to Glenn Beck too much. He figured he'd get what he could while he could.
mpcamb
(2,854 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)will end up just causing a manufacturer to get another sale of a new one increasing their profit.
There's a reason audio CD producers have tried to prevent the sale of used CDs and computer software
makers prevent the sale of used software.
mpcamb
(2,854 posts)One of the reasons- another is keeping prices and profits higher.
James48
(4,416 posts)Why are they taking them out of the house?
Is there no family?
What do they think they are doing by carting away all that personal property of a deceased man?
Warpy
(110,898 posts)It's better than leaving them in the house to be stolen.
If they're legal and a relative turns up who wants them or wants to sell them, they'll be turned over to the relative.
Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)I can understand entering his home as a well-being check. His body was decomposing and they probably had ID and vehicle registration, but needed to enter his home to help confirm his identity. That would seem to be a legal entry.
This wasn't a criminal suspect, this wasn't a warranted search. So unless they spotted something obviously illegal, I don't feel his estates property should be seized.
I mean, I heard a story from a firefighter about entering a house on a medical call and finding a M-60 machine gun with a belt of ammo in it. By all means, seize that. Yes, you could legally own an M60 with the NFA tax stamp, but the conditions of that require compliance to registration checks.
But unless that was the case, and this is just a guy collecting legal long guns and pistols, it would seem to violate 2A and 4A to seize them or run serial numbers. And I don't even like 2A but its there. I mean, house in Pacific Palisades and millions of dollars in guns, the guy has a will. That's somebody's private property.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)stolen and used for some bad purpose. And then what would the heirs get?
Interesting case.
Many years ago I knew the wife of a man who hoarded and fantasized about guns. He was killed by one of his guns. Collecting guns can be very dangerous. Especially if you are prone to depression or violence. If you are prone to depression, you may in a low state kill yourself. And if you are prone to violence, you may either kill someone and have to pay the price for that, or be killed by someone you threaten.
Think before you buy and keep guns. Do you really need them? Why are you buying or collecting or keeping them? Do you hunt? Do you shoot for sport?
Of course, if someone is mentally ill . . . . . oh, well!
I'm nor opposed to gun ownership, but 1000 guns? That's an obsession no matter what the rationalization for it. This guy did not own those guns. The guns owned him.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)There was an avid gun collector who kept them in his garage near Santa Rosa, CA. The garage caught fire and the fire department could not fight the fire. It was too dangerous with all the ammo going off. Really a shame. It was a beautiful large stucco ranch house with tiled roof fashioned after a spanish hacienda. Very prominently looking from the road. We lived a few miles a way and could hear the bullets exploding. You would have thought it was the fourth of July!
Squaredeal
(382 posts)Same thing happened in my town. A neighbor's garage was allowed to burn to the ground when it caught fire because of all the ammo he had stored inside. It sounded like a war zone going off. It was a good thing that he didn't live too close to his neighbors' homes. He was known for shooting neighborhood cats and other animals that wandered onto his property. When he died a year later, people's pets stopped disappearing.
Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)The scope of their entry was to determine the identity of the deceased. Police can act on obvious illegalities outside the scope of their warrant - if they are entering a house and see machine guns, meth labs, piles of coke - But if its just a shitload of long guns and pistols, its still private property.
I mean, if I die, does the LAPD come seize and catalog the contents of my house?
If someone proposed a law that limited citizens to 10 guns, I'd be on board. But I'm a bit uncomfortable with the seizure of property.
on edit: If the next of kin was notified of the guns in the home, and gave the police permission to remove them and catalog them, that would obviously change things. The article doesn't get that in depth.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)rights. Didn't sound like contraband to me. But they may have wanted to check to be sure none of the guns were stolen and then given into his custody.
Also, it is possible that the police in circumstances like this have the authority to take into custody items that could endanger public safety. One gun or so might not, but this many guns left in a basically abandoned (because of death) house would constitute a hazard to the community. Kids could break in and hurt themselves badly. Even little kids.
Pacific Palisades is a very nice area. Near the Will Rogers State Park.
Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)The story today is the home isn't unoccupied, it is owned by the deceased man's fiancee. So they may have gotten permission to remove and catalog the guns.
But it also sounds like he was crazy. Told everyone he worked for a secret government agency. The fiancee actually removed his body from the house and put it in the SUV and left town because she assumed this agency was tracking him and would recover his body. So she sounds crazy too. And if the police decided to remove the guns upon hearing this crazy story, there is probably cause to do so.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)He is dead. He has no Fourth Amendment interest here.
The "next of kin" may, or may not, have authority to say what happens to his stuff, pending discovery of a will or appointment of an estate administrator if intestate.
Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)I made my first post before all the craziness in the case emerged. I mean, other than the 1200 guns, that's crazy too, but I mean the secret agent stuff and the fiancee placing his body down the street and going on vacation so the government could pick him up. I mean, now that we know the information LAPD had, I'm cool with taking the guns. Everyone involved with this thing is coo-coo. And who knows, maybe the fiancee, the homeowner, gave them permission to remove the guns.
But just based on the original story, without the crazy, and the guns not being plain sight contraband, they still belong to the estate. Same with his TV, cars, tool box and family jewels, money stuffed in a mattress. I don't know what the case law is on it, but as someone who owns stuff, I just don't like the idea of the police coming into a home, and taking stuff that appears to be legal. Thats all I was trying to express.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It will be secured pending disposition by a probate court, provided it is not found to be evidence of a crime.
It's not like they are making off with it. There was a substantial public safety hazard here.
Can you imagine if some burglar had noticed the apparently unoccupied house in that neighborhood?
Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)I'm not fighting this, I'm not dying on this hill. Was just trying to explain my why concern about taking his property. If they wouldn't take my big screen and check the serial number when I croak, they shouldn't take his guns. (Again, knowing what I knew in the first article.) The reason would appear more clear now.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...that if you were an alien lizard being, then it might be worth checking out your stuff when you turn up ten days' dead parked along your street.
Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)When I questioned the legality of the seize, that crazy shit wasn't in the press. Now that we know its an alien lizard being, I want LAPD to nuke Pacific Palisades from orbit.
bluedigger
(17,077 posts)They can't just knowingly leave that many unsecured weapons (and ammo) to lay strewn about an unoccupied house. They will take custody of them until the legal heir comes forward to claim them. I'm sure they will confiscate any that are determined to be illegal under state law, and a few will "disappear" before being listed, because we all know how the system really works, but in this case I have to agree with the decision.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)My 'explanation' for his death is just as rational as yours
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)"Hatred probably killed him" you should be ashamed to have posted that but I assume you think it is just cute.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Such a gun fancier he was that many of them never were opened and still had the price tags. Must have been something wrong with them as they did not sprout up and kill. Sounds like any other collector and guns can be a very good investment. I feel sorry he passed away and hope his family members get them and can sell or consign them if they so choose and benefit.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Here's something else you seem unfamiliar with:
A personal belief, however deeply held and emphatically expressed, is not automatically synonymous with proven fact.
The disinterested reader is directed to the collected works of Sarah Louise Palin and
Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson for other example of commentators who consistently
conflate the two...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)beliefs, and racism. Sorry, I know I am right that the majority of gun fanciers are racists.
Robertson is also a racist and supports gunz.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Palin and Robertson *also* deeply believe that what they say is gospel truth.
Self-righteousness is offputting and unacceptable from any point of the political spectrum.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)than anyone.
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/527aa572fe34440c26000296
Also look up "gun owners more likely to be racist."
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Those that can see the problems with the following will understand why gun control is going nowhere:
"Every gun owner I mention is racist. Therefore, I've proved most of 80 million gun owners are racist"
Those that can't are why it's going nowhere...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Look it up.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)psychiatrist about your problem with Gun Madness!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)one in their pants for comfort or something.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,282 posts)... except the cops. And we can trust them, right.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)we start burning the remaining 319, 997,000 guns in America?
NRA flags for the bonfire are on me!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Gun lover defenders, please adopt one of these precious and ownerless guns needing some of your love.
It is not their fault they are now alone!
frylock
(34,825 posts)jmowreader
(50,445 posts)He was afflicted with cancer. According to the article, he was out on a very hot day with his friends when he suddenly took ill, laid down and died. Very sad.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)jmowreader
(50,445 posts)Our store's air conditioning system went out at the beginning of summer. The company wanted to get cheap and wait till the fall to replace it...and then a very old man decided to fuck up their evil designs by dropping dead of heat stroke in the lighting aisle.
Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)And donate the profits to survivors of gun violence.
hack89
(39,171 posts)If they were legally acquired the state has no grounds to seize and destroy them.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)You know, to the next generation of "good guys".
(waiting to get alerted on)
hack89
(39,171 posts)attitudes like yours are not helpful.
jmowreader
(50,445 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)You check what scrap is going for these days? They aren't made of copper
madville
(7,397 posts)Easily $1,000,000 with today's ammo prices. Surely he has some heirs that are likely going to get a nice payday or inherit a crap load of guns and ammo.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)And fight for years to get them back.
petronius
(26,580 posts)"Coroner's officials said Monday evening that the man had not yet been identified"
Is that just a way of saying they're not announcing his name, or could there be a deeper mystery here?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I think they would be trying to get hold of next of kin prior to disclosing the name to the press.
Princess Turandot
(4,784 posts)They may need DNA from a next of kin or dental records to legally identify him if the body was decomposing in a closed car parked outside. I assume that the car registration was how they got to the correct address.
Skittles
(152,963 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)You, on the other hand, well, you know.
(awaiting the alert)
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Terry Pratchett, Jingo
allan01
(1,950 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)If it was mandatory I would be pissed. Hell bass pro has more ammo then that and they are inside a busy mall.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)contains, ie. not boobie trapped, it is a safety precaution.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)is coming for their guns.
It is dificult for me to understand his drive to own so many guns.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)still have not determined how he died."
I realize this is a stretch, and I have nothing to base this on, but I am going to guess he was shot. By himself or someone else.
He could have had a heart attack moving two tons of bullets, but I am going to go with A, final answer.
uppityperson
(115,674 posts)a huge arsenal. Kept the door very well locked, didn't carry any except when hunting. He just felt safer, less stressed having an unused arsenal.
Knowing him, and yes, he was a kind and generous man, I won't pass judgement without more info.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Telcontar
(660 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)All those mass murderers were good guys, right up until they weren't.
Telcontar
(660 posts)Until last call.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Oh, never mind, I just saw what your "favorite group" is. It all makes sense now.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Living in a bubble of their own design and LOVING IT!!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,207 posts)On Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:45 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Yep. When 99% of one's posts are in the NRA support group, the passive-aggressiveness of these folk is well understood.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1152792
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Referring to the RKBA group as an NRA support group is a vile insult, as many have expressed support for gun control and opposition to the NRA.
More importantly this post is a slander against Telcontar who was not at all passive-aggressive and has a grand toal of three (3) posts in RKBA equalling a whopping 1% of posts, not the purported 99%
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:01 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Maybe the truth, cannot tell
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, I have no idea whether or not the alerted poster was specifically referring to Telcontar, so I vote to leave this comment alone. After reading this entire thread just now (and checking profiles to see which "passive-aggressive" replies actually come from those whose "fav" group is RKBA), the comment that Fred Sanders made appears to be more truth than not.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That "vile insult" also happens to be true. No only are they indistinguishable from the NRA, they defend the organization all the time.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: whopping 1% of posts, not the purported 99%
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with alerter. Supporting the 2nd is NOT the same as supporting the NRA. People need to stop. We are going to need EVERY DAMN
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Someone took issue.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Thanks to the majority that could see through the deception of the alert and it's plaintive, illogical plea to hide the truth by Trumped-up accusations and suppositions - par for the gun lover's course.
It is a group strategy to keep good DU folks away from their DU-supplied NRA support group, a strategy much employed by the NRA itself - intimidation, purity, exclusion.
Juror #2, very special thanks, you got it 100%:
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, I have no idea whether or not the alerted poster was specifically referring to Telcontar, so I vote to leave this comment alone. After reading this entire thread just now (and checking profiles to see which "passive-aggressive" replies actually come from those whose "fav" group is RKBA), the comment that Fred Sanders made appears to be more truth than not.
Telcontar
(660 posts)Didn't know I had three whole comments in the gun forum.
Dear alerter, while I appreciate the sentiment, I'm a big boy and don't care much for how keyboard commandos describe me. Nothing done on a message board has any impact in real life.
Telcontar
(660 posts)Which one?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Telcontar
(660 posts)How does that work?
Honestly, have no idea.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)look at your profile. The funny thing is this RKBA group is the favorite group for the hosts of "castle bansalot", the pro-control group.
Telcontar
(660 posts)I should get out more.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)About Telcontar
Statistics and Information
Account status: Active
Member since: Mon Dec 29, 2014, 10:03 AM
Number of posts: 600
Number of posts, last 90 days: 239
Favorite forum: General Discussion, 123 posts in the last 90 days (51% of total posts)
Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA, 3 posts in the last 90 days (1% of total posts)
Last post: Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:16 AM
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)gun nuts.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)police don't do this for every dead 'hoarder' do they?, only the dead wealthy, with 'good stuff' to search through?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,282 posts)Pacific Palisades house? A thousand guns?
No, not the average hoarder, maybe just an average multi-millionaire. With guns just one among many investment "hoards".
No mention of art work on the walls, no sensation there.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Seems like he had some issues - or he was a CIA gun-runner.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Many people keep their 'investments' inside their homes.
Not many people die alone in a car, no family in the home. I think police took full advantage of the opportunity to go through his stuff.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Strewn about the house? So...a not so responsible mad rich gun nut investor is the obvious explanation for the gun lovers? Look away!
Gun lovers are funny folk, you have to pity them.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Whos to know if other items or some of the gun 'collection' were not stolen by police 'searchers'? the man is dead and lived alone.
jmowreader
(50,445 posts)Which is better:
a) leave the guns in the dead man's house, wait till someone breaks in and removes the whole collection to Mexico, and try to help the federales in Mexico try to clean up the gift the LAPD gave them, or
b) put the guns in the LAPD's evidence vault, find someone from his family who's eligible to receive them, and release the guns to them?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)And they can't identify him yet with his know address?
Something seems to be up. You just don't magically get to own 1200 firearms without raising some red flags somewhere if purchased legally.
This, the logistics alone to perform maintenance or to transport that amount is mind boggling for a one man operation.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/More-Than-1200-Guns-2-Tons-of-Ammo-Seized-From-West-LA-Home-317730131.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_LABrand&cid=sm_fc
Well this story might lead somewhere
pipoman
(16,038 posts)If felons attempting to buy guns through NICS aren't investigated, why would someone who can pass the NICS check raise red flags? No, I suspect 100k or more people in the US have 1200 or more legally owned firearms.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Was Oliver North a real military man doing illegal acts in iran contra?
yes........ so that CIA/military statement by his neighbor should be looked at.
The story is interesting on many angles.
I'm thinking of More like illicit arms dealer, for what purpose?
Don't know.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Because after you have bought more than one weapon as an idol to worship, what is the point?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)them on the street.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)luvspeas
(1,883 posts)people who owned six or more guns or who had a history of violent behavior were those who reported the riskiest behaviors of outbursts of anger, getting into fights, or smashing or breaking things. These are the people who are at risk for killing someone. The vast majority of these people dont have a diagnosable mental illness.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)That's often the reason it gets that far - no fear - and then a miscalculation.... BAM!
crim son
(27,462 posts)Those of you who are minimizing this remind me of the folks who downplay the 32,000 gun deaths per year by saying that car accidents kill 33,000. WTF are you thinking? In what world would it make sense for this guy to legally own that much firepower? I don't care if he was a collector, or was mentally ill or feared being robbed of his safety by Obama and all the treehuggers out there. Guns are not toys. Guns are not for fun. You may have the right to protect yourself according to the constitution (a debatable concept on many levels) but ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED GUNS.
We are so screwed when the liberal gun nuts don't even know they're gun nuts.
sarisataka
(18,197 posts)People should not have a right to protect themselves?
jmowreader
(50,445 posts)People should not have a right to own enough guns to raise their own armies.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...are what is known as "a collection".
There is no such thing as a critical mass of guns
jmowreader
(50,445 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)jmowreader
(50,445 posts)Thing 1: Burglars are by definition not law-abiding.
Thing 2: When a burglar breaks into a house full of guns, he takes them all.
Thing 3: To monetize the guns he will sell them to other not-law-abiding people.
sarisataka
(18,197 posts)Can't answer for him/herself. Unless you have a personal relationship and can speak for them.
What number should a person be allowed to own and is there a reason for that number or is it arbitrary?
Paladin
(28,202 posts)Calista241
(5,584 posts)And hoarding is a mental illness, just like people who collect garbage. Still, it's unlikely he actually killed anyone with his arsenal.
Also, to get that much weaponry, he was probably an FFL licensed dealer. Would be much more of a hassle to buy all those pistols and doing a thousand background checks.
If he did do anything in the criminal side, he was more likely a fence than anything else.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)They even admit that they have no reason to believe they were used in a crime.
Why not change the title to "LAPD steals million dollar gun collection from innocent man's estate"?
jmowreader
(50,445 posts)They need to find a relative of his who's allowed to have guns, and turn the guns over to that person. Leaving the guns in the guy's house so anyone with a good-size rock and a reasonable throwing arm could have full access to his entire cache of high quality firearms would have been FAR worse than locking them up in the evidence vault until someone who can take possession of the guns does it.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)Its illegal. Nothing you've posted changes that.
ileus
(15,396 posts)PufPuf23
(8,687 posts)A 39 year old woman named Dawn Vadbunker went missing July 2, 2015. She was 35 and her gone missing was reported by her adoptive parents. She had been adopted as an adult within the last 2 years. The last communication was that Dawn was off to meet with her boss, a property manager. She did not return and the property manager also could not be reached. There was a missing person search and no cell, account activity, etc. discerned.
Websleuths thread starting July 14, 2015:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?285394-CA-Dawn-VadBunker-39-Oxnard-3-July-2015
Dawn and her boss were located on July 15, 2015 at a motel in Oregon.
Dawn's boss is the fiancée of the dead man with the guns and ammo.
From Websleuths today (7/22/2015)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?285394-CA-Dawn-VadBunker-39-Oxnard-3-July-2015/page3
Quote Originally Posted by LayzeeDayzee View Post
It's reported she disappeared the day her former marriage had been officially annulled. Her vehicle had been located outside of a hotel in Oregon, according to LE/MSM. A witness stated she'd been seen there with a woman. While she was missing her family was unable to locate her boss (a woman). Almost sounds to me like perhaps she had some kind of secret relationship going on with her boss and they went away together? Perhaps she had marriage to former husband (male) annulled as she had developed a relationship with her female boss?
Um.... the boss was busy deciding what to do with her dead fiance she had been with for 17 yrs (but somehow did not know that he had over a thousand guns and 2 tons of ammo piled up 8 ft high at her condo). You think the missing 39 yr old story is weird! Check out the boss's story in the LA Times here and google around for the others... It is a real goose chase. Nebron (the boss) has a Fiance who reportedly dies in the car on the 4th of July - and she puts him, his dead body, in the car, parks it up the road and takes off for Oregon for a week or so with Dawn Marie. Both go missing and both go radio silent for the trip, not replying to cell phones per the reports. Catherine Nebron's attny then calls LE to report the dead body and weapons cache on the 17th of July (per his story to the press) The dead fiance is the real mystery of this case that needs some serious sleuthing but they aren't releasing his name other than a pseudonym he used "Bob Smith"... He told neighbors he worked for CIA. The whole thing is bizarre. LE said they did not know who the guy is or how he died...but somehow they know there was no foul play. Here's the LA Times. And another link to the story.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-guns-20150720-story.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/l-police-discover-1200-guns-dead-mans-home/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
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irisblue
(32,828 posts)calling Major Crimes & Capt. Sharon Raydor....
seriously this is odd.
PufPuf23
(8,687 posts)The woman did not know that her fiancé MR Smith, purportedly of the CIA, had an amory in her condo.
He dies and she dumps his corpse in his car and books to Oregon with a woman gone missing.
One can't or maybe only can make this narrative up.
Hekate
(90,186 posts)Reads like a really bad spy novel, with more than one person being loony-toons. I read this over my morning coffee yesterday, passed it to hubby and said: "You have to read this yourself. My words cannot do it justice."
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-guns-20150720-story.html
The body went unnoticed for two weeks in the summer heat, decomposing inside a sport utility vehicle. >snip<
Several neighbors said the man was known only as Bob in the local area and described him as a gun fanatic who claimed to have worked covertly for either the FBI or the CIA. His fiancée had lived in the town home on Palisades Drive for years, they said.
He'll say crazy things to people like he does night missions swimming to Catalina, said one neighbor, who declined to give her name, saying she was afraid. He would come
and tell us he would show us self-defense moves. >snip<
The mans mysterious past is the reason why his fiancée, Catherine Nebron, didnt immediately report his death to authorities, her attorney said. .....
On the Fourth of July, the man, Nebron and two friends were in the parking lot of Bristol Farms on Wilshire Boulevard in Santa Monica when the man began feeling hot and sick, Braun said. They tried to cool him down with ice, but it didnt work and he died, Braun said.
The fiancée wasnt sure what to do with the body, but figured the same unnamed agency watching him would know that he died and would come for him, Braun said. Nebron parked the vehicle on Palisades Drive and left it because she assumed they were tracking him, the lawyer said. >snip<
The woman went on a trip to Oregon, Braun said, and returned to find the vehicle still parked in the same spot. Nebron, he said, is sort of in a state of shock over the death of a man she knew for 17 years. She had lived in one room of the house while the weapons were locked in another, the attorney said. >snip< (note: Catherine Nebron was the homeowner)
Los Angeles Police Deputy Chief Kirk Albanese said detectives dont believe the death is the result of foul play. Albanese said the man was suffering from end-stage cancer and did not work for a government security agency, despite the mans claims about his past.
But questions remained about why the man had amassed so many weapons. On Tuesday, police were still performing background checks on the mans firearms.
We don't think the weapons are illegal. We are taking them for public safety, said Sgt. David Craig of the LAPD's gang and narcotics division. He said investigators removed the weapons to ensure the ammunition and guns wouldn't be stolen from the home.
PufPuf23
(8,687 posts)Mysterious LA loner with $5m gun arsenal was 'a human-alien hybrid secret agent sent to save the human race' claims his fiancee and her friend who watched him die before dumping his body in car
Man identified as 60-year-old Jeffrey Alan Lash, of LA County, died July 4 but wasn't found until July 17
Body was discovered badly decomposed inside a car in Pacific Palisades
Lash's fiancee Catherine Nebron and her employee Dawn VadBunker dumped the body
Police linked the car to Lash's fiancee's house nearby and found 1,200 guns and 6.5 tons of ammunition
Fiancee's attorney said Nebron and VadBunker believed Lash was half-alien savior
VadBunker and Nebron fled for Oregon without telling police about Lash's death because they thought CIA would come to collect his body
VadBunker's mother reported her missing last week after failing to reach her
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3172296/It-s-worse-Twilight-Zone-movie-Decomposing-body-car-hidden-5M-gun-arsenal-missing-mother-two-believed-dead-man-alien-secret-agent-sent-save-human-race.html#ixzz3gkI08ZNU
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Note: There are several Dawn VadBunker articles on Daily Mail as a missing woman case.
Hekate
(90,186 posts)Imagine a fire inside that dwelling.
However the solidarity expressed by our "liberals" at DU with the human-alien hybrid savior is touching beyond words.
PufPuf23
(8,687 posts)This arsenal regardless of anything else is a public hazard, especially unattended and unsecured.
This thread is a good example of why I find gun discussion at DU irritating as well as valueless and unamusing.
So I strongly support LE in securing the arsenal.
I am very curious as to what is the nature of the true substance behind this narrative.
The story caught my attention as a weird woman gone missing case first then guns, CIA, aliens...
I have been searching out facebook and various media this past week and there is so much weird.
There was a pdf document linked to a patch.com facebook page that I cannot find now that had interviews with neighbors and pictures of the neighborhood and police action.
Some neighbors thought the guy was a government agent but no one reported to know about the arsenal.
Supposedly there were also 14 vehicles (including an underwater SUV), $230,000 cash, maybe other storage units, etc.
A local restaurant said Smith and finance were regulars that always came in separate vehicles and "Smith" always ate raw filet.
There is some question as to whether the missing woman, Dawn VadBunker, has actually been found, as she has sent an email apologizing to her "parents" but has not returned to California from Oregon nor made direct contact with her adoptive family; her "being found" was her talking to LE.
What caught my attention originally was (another) woman gone missing in California when I was following the case of the woman kidnapped in Vallejo and released that Vallejo PD accused of a hoax even after the FBI arrested the man (Marine, Harvard Law graduate and professor, lawyer with recently CA disbarment, Ocean II wanabe criminal) for the Vallejo abduction.
VadBunker was odd on that the focus was on her adoptive parents and it turned out it was not a childhood adoption but a relativey recent adoption of a woman, Dawn, in her late 30s. The adoptive parents want Dawn back for Dawn's mental health.
Guns, CIA, aliens !! Lions, Tigers, and Bears, oh my.