Hillary Clinton slams Trump over criticism of McCain

[DonViejo]

Source: Washington Post

By Sean Sullivan July 18 at 10:25 PM

NORTH LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — At a state Democratic fundraising dinner here Saturday night, Hillary Rodham Clinton took sharp aim at Donald Trump and his Republican opponents, singling out the real estate mogul on his comments disparaging Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) over his military record.

"There's nothing funny about the hate he is spewing at immigrants and their families and now the insults he has directed at a genuine war hero, Sen. John McCain," she said. Clinton said it was "shameful" that it took Trump's GOP opponents so long to "stand up to him," mostly referring to Trump's comments on immigrants.

Trump spoke at a Republican fundraising dinner about an hour's drive away in Hot Springs on Friday night.

"Last night the new Republican front-runner was here in Arkansas — yes Donald Trump. Finally, a candidate whose hair gets more attention than mine," quipped Clinton.

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Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/hillary-clinton-slams-trump-over-mccain-comments/

[OhWiseOne]

1. Trump is a gift to the dems

and hopefully he will stay near the top of the repubs clown car for a long time. I was planning to switch parties to vote for him in the primaries.

[madville]

43. Also has the adverse effect of

Making pubes like Jeb and Walker seem relatively normal and sane.

[Thinkingabout]

2. She is correct, why Trump would be saying McCain isn't a war hero is terrible, it is wrong for

anyone to say something about our veterans. Now we know just where Trump would be on veterans affairs.

[MADem]

3. BRILLIANT--"yes Donald Trump. Finally, a candidate whose hair gets more attention than mine!" nt

[Fred Sanders]

8. "...whose lack of hair gets more attention than my actual hair". She must of thought of saying that.

Bravo for being the adult in the room, the similarities to Obama are many.

Democrats who want 8 more years of Obama Unchained, this time without having inherited an economic disaster or the blind obstructionist racist hate, would do well to settle for Clinton the Second.

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. I honestly think it is his actual hair

it is one giant comb-over. If he let his hair down, one side would be three feet in length and the top of his head would be completely bald. He wraps it on the top of his head and sprays it with silicone to keep it in place.

[MADem]

17. Heh heh...POINTS! nt

[Historic NY]

4. Imagine all those "greatest generation" men & women that languished...

in POW camps in Europe and Asia. Imagine all those that died in camps along side the innocent of the Holocaust. WTF would this scumbag be.

[bemildred]

5. I would pay to watch Hillary get into it with Trump.

That would be classic. Rubble strewn everywhere.

[NCjack]

6. Hope that Trump dials his "stupid" down -- be nice if he

flames out in the middle of the primaries.

[Adrahil]

11. I'm with you... It's too early!

I was just starting to have fun!

[Chemisse]

36. It would be great if he could at least make it to the first GOP debate.

And I think that is what the others are trying to stop with the rash of criticisms.

[Fred Sanders]

7. Focused on the enemy, not obsessed with being loved by those already friends. A lesson.

[Walk away]

9. I don'think John McCain was a hero and I do think he built his...

career as a professional war monger on the sacrifices of his fellow captives. However, the entire Trump statement in reference to POWs being losers was just horrible, wrong and heartbreaking.

It's really too bad his bizarre mind hatched this idiocy. He was doing such a good job at being the republican front runner!

Hillary is naturally appalled but I love that she had a cute quip to go along with her slam. It gets attention from the press and helps set her apart from the Clown Car who all sound alike and boring.

[Siwsan]

10. I consider McCain to be a reluctant 'hero' since his military career was more family legacy

than actual desire to serve. Much like "W", his family connections were his best path to promotion. During my time in the Navy, I heard rumors about his irresponsible behavior and possible involvement in the devastating fire on the USS Forrestal. He was shot down after he delayed obeying orders to return to base. Not much to admire, there. I do, however, have to admire anyone who can survive the horrors that he survived. And although there is controversy over exactly what he did to survive, it was still a situation and conditions that no human being should ever have to endure.

And I take issue with ANY chickenhawk throwing shade at Veterans.

[Adrahil]

12. Well said! nt

[Walk away]

14. He is hardly your average veteran but I do agree on one thing...

But I do agree that Trump calling POWs losers was completely horrible!

[MADem]

20. He was a reluctant hero, but the Forrestal rumors were the equivalent of Swiftboating.

They came from the same place that the "black illegitimate baby" came from. Any 'rumors' belong in the same file as that Kenyan birth certificate. Ugh.

I can tell you McCain's faults 'con brio.' He was crammed into the Academy, he was a problem child, he was a few pegs off being the class anchorman, he did crash a plane in training (four, total, were lost under his command, plus the one that was destroyed on the flight deck), but that Forrestal fire had nothing to do with him. He committed the "crime" of rolling the hell away before an explosion would have killed him.

HRC is right, and anyone trying to crap on McCain for his Vietnam service (and Forrestal was part of that whole era-that was the vessel's first deployment to the theater) is barking up the wrong tree and is close to Revulsion territory. Don't fall into the "At long last, sir, have you no decency?" trap--it never ends well.

You can see at this link: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/ that he ws a hotdogger and attitudinal, but he was sitting on the deck waiting to launch when an a/c behind him launched their weaponry in his direction. There are THOUSANDS of people assigned to an a/c carrier. During that era, plenty of them were "reluctant sailors" (beats ground-pounding). It's impossible to believe that everyone on that vessel swore an oath of silence to cover up McCain's complicity in murdering 135 sailors and grievously wounding many more. It defies logic. It just didn't happen that way.

[Siwsan]

21. You make good points. I can only go by what I was told

No one was ever sworn to any sort of secrecy oath. I've seen the film footage and the chaos was overwhelming. It didn't help McCain's case that he was know to engage in 'wet starting' his jet, which can have dire consequences when it startles someone at the wrong time. Or that his evacuation from the ship was so expedited. Any other man with his skills and personality challenges would never have been flying but he had his legacy.

The truth is, no one will ever know, for sure, what caused that original jet to fire the missile, but his is the only name I've ever heard mentioned in connection with it. And I'm not saying anything he did was with the mind to create the situation. It's way too easy for disaster to strike a flight deck, which is why people need to do their jobs the right way and NOT show off. The film they showed us was to illustrated just how awful it can get when people don't follow the rules.

But I suspect neither of us will ever convince the other. And it has nothing to do with decency, as I've long suspected that McCain doesn't have much of that, anyway.

[MADem]

22. If you went through boot camp or OCS after 1967, you most certainly saw the footage.

Enlisted personnel got the gorier film, oddly enough, the officers got a shorter version that left out the worst bits. I've seen both.

The pilots on the flight deck were not "easily startled." Come on. They were on their FIFTH day of operations off the coast--they weren't startle-able at that point in time. It's not a simple process to just fire off a missile--it's not like touching the trigger on a six-shooter. The a/c in question was not directly aft of his A4, either.

That's just a bullshit tale that someone fed you. I challenge you to find a reliable soul who served in Forrestal who will tell you that McCain was to blame. He just wasn't. He was a fuckup in plenty of ways, but in that case he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I really hate it when the GOP makes shit up, and we shouldn't do it either. It diminishes us.

[Siwsan]

23. I did see it - it's haunting

I was never aboard an American carrier, but I remember walking between two that were docked in Virginia. I was awe-struck by the gargantuan size. There are places, on deck, where you would have NO escape. The big US ships carry around 5,000 personnel and I've heard of cases where cousins were serving about the same ship and never knew it.

Oddly enough, I was aboard a Royal Navy carrier, the HMS Illustrious. It carried Harrier Jets and Sea Hawk Helicopters so it was smaller but none the less impressive.

As for McCain - I don't know. I do know he was the only name I ever heard mentioned so perhaps his behavior was the indicting factor because few people who served with him have anything good to say about him. Maybe he was just targeted. But again, I just don't know. And unless you were there, neither do you.

McCain is responsible for creating his reputation and the consequences of it.

[MADem]

24. I've seen the investigation. It was thorough in the extreme.

To believe the conspiracy theories, one has to suspend all semblance of reality.

This dog, quite simply, will not hunt.

[Siwsan]

27. I really and sincerely admire your tenacity!

[MADem]

28. I find myself in the uncomfortable position of defending a guy I really wish would retire from

public life. But I suspect I am doing the same thing he has done, and Kerry has done, when it comes to chickenhawks and in-the-rear-with-the-gear people trying to play a service-not-good-enough card.

You can be damn sure if Tammy Duckworth runs for higher office, they'll try to say she drove her helo into that missle on purpose to get attention, or something. It's what they DO. The truth is, they'd shit themselves if they got within a hundred klicks of the front lines. The people who second-guess those who did the best they could when the going got tough are despicable to my mind. It's just never OK. And, for the life of me, it always originates from either stay-at-homes, or people like Porgie who defended Texas from a Sharknado infestation via the Rio Grande.

[Siwsan]

30. I admire you for it.

I did get into a verbal altercation, or two, over John Kerry and blew a gasket over what they said about Max Cleland. I was honored to have met both of these men, which makes it even more personal.

But now you've got me worrying about a Rio Grand Sharknado! Hopefully they never get as far north as the Great Lakes - we'd be surrounded and DOOMED, in Michigan! Of course, our greatest threat of invasion is from Canada and, frankly, I would be ok with that, being as I am fluent in Canadian.

[MADem]

32. McCain didn't hold back on that smarmy Chambliss, either.

McCAIN: I’d never seen anything like that ad. Putting pictures of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden next to the picture of a man who left three limbs on the battlefield — it’s worse than disgraceful. It’s reprehensible.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2008/11/12/32216/mccain-chambliss/

He did do the REALPOLITIK thing when it came to his reelection, but I'd like to think he did it with a sick feeling in the pit of his stomach. He's the kind of guy that the waiter spits in his water!

I'll tell ya, if I saw Saxby Chambliss begging for help by the side of the road, I'd pass his ass by.

I think we might wanna worry about MOOSENADO coming down from Canada...don't know why no one has sounded the alarm, yet!!!!!

[heaven05]

35. +1000

[Martin Eden]

13. Shooting fish in a barrel

Not exactly a difficult or politically risky stand to denounce Trump for his remarks about McCain.
Pretty funny quip about the hair, though Bernie could be a rival on that issue.

[Fred Sanders]

18. Thanks for plying....move along, new poser.

[Comrade Grumpy]

29. That was rude.

[MADem]

31. It was a response to some real rudeness that wasn't even remotely, er, accurate.

To put it kindly.

Beacool explains it for you, just below.

To get love, you have to give love.

Rudeness invites rudeness in return. That "turn the other cheek" stuff rarely happens in real life

[Beacool]

25. Still pushing those old nuggets?

Hillary said that her level of experience was closer to McCain's, and she was therefore more qualified to debate him. Obama was only on his second year in the Senate when he announced his candidacy. She never said that McCain was more qualified than Obama. That's just B.S.

As for Iran, the question was would she order an attack on Iran if they attacked Israel with nuclear weapons. Guess what? Any U.S. president would do the same. If Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons, the U.S. would have little choice but to go to Israel's defense.

Misinterpreting what people say does no service to anyone.



I see that you don't even have 100 posts and they already censored one of them. A little word of advice, respecting fellow posters goes a long way around here. We may support various candidates on this site, but we are not enemies.

[Ino]

33. Her comment was not about debating McCain...

That's some twist you've put on it.

Listen to both Clintons and McCain talk each other up...

At :05 (Hillary)

I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.

At 1:24 (Bill)

Number 1, he's (McCain's) a fine man. He's a very fine man. Number 2, he paid as high a price as you can pay to serve this country without getting killed. And we have to honor that. Number 3, he has some redeeming qualities for a Republican... he doesn't believe in torture, he supported campaign finance reform, and he doesn't think global warming is a myth.

At 2:29 (Hillary)

The question is: What have you done over the course of a lifetime to equip you for that moment? Now I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say. He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.

Misinterpreting? Let's look at the dictionary...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/qualified

qualified
adjective qual·i·fied \ˈkwä-lə-ˌfīd\
: having the necessary skill, experience, or knowledge to do a particular job or activity : having the qualifications to do something

A little word of advice... check facts before you correct someone else. That also goes a long way around here.

[Beacool]

37. I still disagree.

The intent of what she said was that she was more prepared to do battle with McCain than Obama was at that point in time.

[Ino]

39. Please show me where she explained her intent as you explain it for her.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/05/ltm.02.html

So, if your entire campaign is about one speech and that's what you hold up as your credential to be president against a lifetime of experience from John McCain and a lifetime of experience from me, I think the voters can draw their own conclusion.

What conclusion would a voter draw from this comment? She said quite clearly she's referring to one's "credential to be president."

And again as shown in my previous post, she said she and McCain will bring a lifetime of experience to the White House -- not to a debate, not to the general election. Obama will bring a speech. That is what she said.

See this RNC ad "Not Ready to Be Commander in Chief," full of Clinton(s) giving the Repukes their talking points...

Yet another, different quote at :56

I think it's imperative that each of us be able to cross the Commander in Chief threshold, and I believe I've done that, and certainly Senator McCain has done that, and you have to ask Senator Obama with respect to his candidacy.

In all these quotes -- four different ones I've found -- nowhere does she explain her intent as anything other than exactly as it sounds, exactly as many listeners & pundits took it.

It's one thing to compare yourself favorably to your opponent, but to compare the Repuke favorably to your opponent is a whole different story. She did that repeatedly.

[RKP5637]

26. Trump! The gift to democrats that just keeps giving! n/t

[cindyperry]

34. the thing that burns my ass is

that they had no problem when john Kerry a real war hero and max Cleland were assailed over their records. bastards are hypocrites

[still_one]

41. As much as I detest mccain's politics, that was from his beloved republican party. You know the

party under Rove that made racial slurs against his adopted daughter in South Carolina.

[YOHABLO]

38. I think Trump just dug his grave. He's just an opportunist and he'll be gone.

[still_one]

40. Kerry made similar statements

[DCJ]

42. Good to another voice.. Time to trample the trump..

Good to another voice.. Time to trample the trump..