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bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:16 AM Jul 2015

US torture report: psychologists should no longer aid military, group says

Source: Spencer Ackerman 7-11-2015 The Guardian

"A representative of the US's largest professional association of psychologists, which is in the throes of crisis after an independent review found it to be complicit in torture, has said psychologists should no longer participate in US detentions and interrogations."

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/11/cia-torture-doctors-psychologists-apa-prosecution



Therapists? How many veterans will kill themselves today, APA???
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US torture report: psychologists should no longer aid military, group says (Original Post) bobthedrummer Jul 2015 OP
Report To The Special Committee Of The Board Of Directors Of The American Psychological Association bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #1
Thanks! nt bananas Jul 2015 #6
American Psychological Association Officials Protected National Security Psychologists Involved in bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #2
Yes they should participate and stop abuses in it's track. Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #3
this is why I got the willies when their (former) magazine insisted that the Charleston massacre MisterP Jul 2015 #4
And what about the medical doctors? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #5
Especially the medical profession JonLP24 Jul 2015 #9
Alfred W. McCoy is a trusted source of mine when it comes to informing US about hidden history bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #7
it does always go back to SE Asia, doesn't it? (though Lansdale was technically the Philippines) MisterP Jul 2015 #8
Hidden history is my primary interest JonLP24 Jul 2015 #10
NGU isn't rhetoric for many of US that survived situations designed to "neutralize" US that demand bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #14
NGU? I'm sorry I don't know what that means JonLP24 Jul 2015 #15
NGU=never give up. For what it's worth/fwiw DUers might find these links worth digging into bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #16
I highly recomend bob's sources to readers JonLP24 Jul 2015 #21
Sounds like you have some experience as another "whackjob" like so many of US JonLP24-lol. Yep, bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #29
Psychologists are hacks awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #11
Generalize Much? RobinA Jul 2015 #13
Their Association brought that up when one of their Doctors first 'contracted' with Bush to torture! Sunlei Jul 2015 #12
Why I Am Not A Member Of The American Psychological Association (Craig Chalquist PhD) bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #17
Three senior officials lose their jobs at APA after US torture scandal (Spencer Ackerman 7-14-15 bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #18
Accused of Enabling Torture, a US Military Psychologist Says He Was Doing the Opposite (Jason bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #19
Guatanamo Bay psychologists to remain despite APA torture fallout (Spencer Ackerman 7-15-15 Guard- bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #22
Looks like I missed something yesterday ^ bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #23
Helping victims &veterans is different than helping military.. Duppers Jul 2015 #24
Lots of dedicated military doctors refused illegal orders-some were whistleblowers put at peril. n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #26
I remember that. Duppers Jul 2015 #27
Speaking of Donald Henry Rumsfeld et al, take a gander at this little collection of torture policy bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #31
Wow! Bookmarking. Duppers Jul 2015 #32
No, not leaked docs, Duppers-mostly declassified or FOIA requested. Visit cryptome.org too n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #33
The APA torture scandal and the Nuremberg doctors trial (Tom Carter 7-13-15 RINF repost) bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #25
The Hoffman Report: After Years of Lies, Who Holds the APA Accountable? (John M. Grohol Psy.D. July bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #28
Prisoner Abuse: Patterns From The Past (The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 122) bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #30
So, no coincidences, and plenty of horrific historical examples of what both APA's theoretical bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #34
The Hidden Tragedy of the CIA's Experiments on Children (Dr. Jeffery S. Kaye & HP Albarelli Jr 8-11 bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #35
From yesterday- news about next week's APA annual Board meeting in Toronto bobthedrummer Aug 2015 #36
Psychologists Collusion With US Torture Limited Our Ability To Decry It Anywhere bobthedrummer Aug 2015 #37
Anti-torture reforms opposed within psychology group after damning report (Spencer Ackerman 8-2-15 bobthedrummer Aug 2015 #38
Sirens of the Potomac: Think Tanks and Torture (Emma Briant 7-23-15 Counterpunch) bobthedrummer Aug 2015 #39
Meet Dr. Susan E. Brandon, American Psychiatric Association member-and a veteran TORTURER bobthedrummer Aug 2015 #40
One last kick to this thread from me, an article from May 29, 2007 in The Atlantic bobthedrummer Aug 2015 #41
Jeb Bush refuses to rule out use of torture if he becomes US president (AP&Spencer Ackerman 8-14-15 bobthedrummer Aug 2015 #42
The new SecDef Ashton Carter is not on the level of war criminals like Rumsfeld et al yet. Not yet. bobthedrummer Aug 2015 #43
A 2016 kick for all of US that love the truth. bobthedrummer Jan 2016 #44
 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
1. Report To The Special Committee Of The Board Of Directors Of The American Psychological Association
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jul 2015

(7-2-2015 pdf via Cryptome)
http://cryptome.org/2015/07/apa-torture-nytimes-15-0710.pdf

Tried to make the report easier to access-still needs Adobe reader...

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
2. American Psychological Association Officials Protected National Security Psychologists Involved in
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jul 2015

Torture (Kevin Gosztola 7-10-15 Firedoglake)
http://firedoglake.com/2015/07/10/american-psychological-association-officials-protected-national-security-psychologists-involved-in-torture

Some therapists are actually the rapists (i.e. "mindfuckers&quot as a lot of "discredited" (survivor/whistleblower) citizens have stated for decades. I'm one of them. An activist for formerly labeled "crazy conspiracy theorists" that the corrupted were sure would never be believed. We have a lot of veterans with US today.

"We don't torture/Well, we tortured some folks..." etc.

Which side are you on, DU?

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
3. Yes they should participate and stop abuses in it's track.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:35 PM
Jul 2015

They should set guidelines that cannot be bent to suit psychopaths that want to torture and they should keep a close eye on people who are detained.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. this is why I got the willies when their (former) magazine insisted that the Charleston massacre
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jul 2015

happened because people had stopped listening to experts like them (when all along they've been bathing in more blood than even StormFront)

LiberalLovinLug

(14,154 posts)
5. And what about the medical doctors?
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jul 2015

The ones that come in and check the bloody quivering victim to see if he is up for "another round"?

There are sick psychos everywhere, even in the medical profession. Along with the army personal that are drawn into being "interrogators".

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. Especially the medical profession
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 12:30 AM
Jul 2015

Last edited Sun Jul 12, 2015, 06:09 AM - Edit history (1)

though certainly there are people that actually care for patients most are in the industry for money and sociopaths are those that are interested in that kind of thing are attracted to positions of power & where their victim is less likelier to be believed. The most traumatic event I ever experienced where by medical professions (though it was a private security guard with his arm on my throat while the staff were standing around with their hands and my arms & legs. The worst part of it was the after though don't know why they were so afraid to cover up something I couldn't do anything about. Who is going to believe that? Don't matter to me though because this is where I found comfort in the truth. My favorite aspect of it doesn't change whether anyone knows it or not though they know the truth as well.

Most terrifying, unethical, and the manipulation was the worst part of it and couldn't escape there was no 'help me' button I could push. I noticed they were very nervous but couldn't figure out what they were afraid of as I couldn't see no easy way out of it. I told them that in fact and the one nurse said to the other outside the front of the room "I'm so glad he said that", "me too" quickly said something and came in and my only response was to do the opposite. Don't want to get into all that but some very disgraceful behavior though not many doctors, 2 at-best that I could count but all mostly nurses. There was a Psychiatrist that told me to "shut up" and threatened me to hold me in commitment when I began to mention the assault, before I could even begin to tell it.

FWIW, I'll never go to Banner Hospitals again or Desert Banner, even the other visits which lacked this sort of "treatment" was very substandard while Scottsdale Health Care was probably the best ever in terms of facilities, staff, menu, tv channels, etc and covered the bill if you provided necessary documents. Outside of that VA is the best care I ever received, like going to hospitals and not worry about costs and they give travel pay before I leave.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
7. Alfred W. McCoy is a trusted source of mine when it comes to informing US about hidden history
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:49 PM
Jul 2015

non consensual "experimentation" and torture that does not involve "touch".

Alfred W. McCoy (Wikipedia entry)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_W._McCoy

Another reliable source is the UN recognized non-lethal weapons expert Cheryl Welsh-who was called a "crazy Canadian woman" (wrong on all points) here in years past. She earned a Doctorate of Jurisprudence and has long been an activist against neuroweapons.

She founded the website Mind Justice. Below is a very informative link to one of her articles that has a strong connection to the work of Alfred McCoy-it's about the kinds of torture that some APA members have endorsed, covered-up and participated in.

In Contravention of Conventional Wisdom (Cheryl Welsh 2008 Mind Justice)
http://www.mindjustice.org/wisdom.htm

Add to this thread DU.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
10. Hidden history is my primary interest
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 12:57 AM
Jul 2015

definetely take a look. So far so great. Absolutely terrific, thanks for the heads up. He is straight up on the dope trafficking and mentioning the key and most important too of the trade -- psychological manipulation either with the press or the targets. He certainly does focus on critically important info that needs to be out there.

A lecture on psychological terror


 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
14. NGU isn't rhetoric for many of US that survived situations designed to "neutralize" US that demand
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jul 2015

JUSTICE JonLP24.
Things like MKOFTEN-which was huge in the Milwaukee, Chicago, Madison, Twin Cities region circa 1968-70. MKOFTEN's hidden history is in the sunlight too thanks to the work of people like Dr. McCoy.

MKOTFEN (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKOFTEN

That short Wikipedia entry is quite true, this was the community of US intelligence involved in the "research" of "black magic" and the paranormal. Obviously this continued and some of the unethical medical professionals literally got away with murder right here- OFTEN on locked wards or restricted labs.

NGU on the truth or seeking justice regardless. Kick.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
15. NGU? I'm sorry I don't know what that means
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jul 2015

I seen this and it was short like Project Artichoke. Interested behind Nicholas Deak killed in his building from a homeless "schizophrenic" bag lady from Seattle that manged to get to Florida to buy a gun from a pawn shop and get to NYC in a period of 2 years released out in Washington State in 1982 (When Reagan let them out of mental institutions). Considering CIA was conducting this sort of research in over 80 different facilities I think many of whom were being prepped with psychological manipulation.

All very interesting like that one such as what did their research lead to, the results, and what if any do they use it for? Thanks for the info. There is a lot of digging left to do.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
16. NGU=never give up. For what it's worth/fwiw DUers might find these links worth digging into
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jul 2015

in the context of some of what is in the history of the US intelligence/military interactions with the "mental health/neuroscince" community

There was a time when it was easy to dismiss all of this as crazy CT-but consider the truth that was behind investing tax $ into "studies" as diverse as Michael Aquino's Mind Wars, Jim Channon's First Earth Battalion, directed energy weapons, remote viewing, human-computer-machine interfaces, and many other topics related to "national security"-just like torture by therapists.

Below are just a few links from diverse sources that merit a read imho and experience. Putting a curse on your enemies and magic protection on your friends is an ancient concept-that was part of MK OFTEN too.

Very Bad Company-Occultism And Power (Gordon 7-25-13 Rune Soup)
http://runesoup.com/2013/07/very-bad-company

Psychic spies and worse?
STAR GATE (Federation of American Scientists archive)
http://fas.org/irp/program/collect/stargate.htm

The neurosciences may have some some benefits in the future, but not at present.

"Can neuroscience solve the mystery of how students learn?" (Ben Martynoga 7-12-15 Guardian) btw, just think of "programming" in the dark sense when reading this article
http://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2015/jul/12/neuroscience-solve-mystery-how-students-learn

There are ethical and professional considerations which the APA ignored in the name of "national security" and "research funding".

Neuroscience and the Law (December 2011 The Royal Society)
http://www.royalsociety.org/policy/projects/brain-waves/responsibility-law

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
21. I highly recomend bob's sources to readers
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 06:57 AM
Jul 2015

I've only gone through a fraction, the runesoup one has links that explain this and go into all sorts of directions make sense of a lot of a lot things. It was helpful in explaining a lot of the spy apparatus history because I can't really trace it pre-Hoover. I don't know if there are any McKinley assassination theories but it is interesting it lead to the creation of the Secret Service and followed anti-Anarchist laws & the occult stuff is very interesting.

Sirhan Sirhan

Sirhan was born into a Palestinian Christian family[3][4] in Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine. When he was 12 years old, his family emigrated, moving briefly to New York and then to California. In Altadena, he attended Eliot Junior High School, followed by John Muir High School and Pasadena City College, both in Pasadena. Sirhan's father, Bishara, was characterized as a stern man who often beat his sons harshly. Shortly after the family's move to California, Bishara returned alone to the Middle East.[5] Sirhan never became an American citizen, retaining instead his Jordanian citizenship.[4]

As an adult, Sirhan changed church denominations several times, joining Baptist and Seventh-day Adventist churches.[citation needed] Then in 1966, he joined the occult organization Ancient Mystical Order of the Rose Cross, commonly known as Rosicrucians.[6] The significance of this surfaced later, when some psychiatrists who examined him allegedly found that he appeared to have been hypnotized.[7] Sirhan was employed as a stable boy in 1965 at the Santa Anita race track in Arcadia, California.[8]

<snip>

On June 5, 1968, Sirhan fired a .22 caliber Iver-Johnson Cadet revolver[9] at Senator Robert Kennedy and the crowd surrounding him in the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles shortly after Kennedy had finished addressing supporters in the hotel's main ballroom. George Plimpton, Rosey Grier, author Pete Hamill, and 1960 Olympic gold medalist Rafer Johnson were among several men who subdued and disarmed Sirhan after a lengthy struggle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan

Correctional Training Facility



In 1971, Sirhan was housed in the Adjustment Center at San Quentin State Prison.[30] He was subsequently transferred to the Correctional Training Facility (CTF) in Soledad, California, where he was confined until 1992.[31][32] From 1992 to 2009, he was confined at the California State Prison (COR) in Corcoran, California, and lived in COR's Protective Housing Unit until he was moved to a harsher lockdown at COR in 2003.[31] In October 2009, ostensibly for his own safety, he was transferred to the Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalinga, California, where he was housed in a cell by himself.[33] He was subsequently moved back to Corcoran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan

Correctional Training Facility

Notable inmates

Bunchy Carter
Juan Corona
Mark Rogowski
Sirhan Sirhan
Soledad Brothers
Dan White

Bunchy Carter

In the early 1960s Carter was a member of the Slauson street gang in Los Angeles. He became a member of the Slauson "Renegades", a hard-core inner circle of the gang, and earned the nickname "Mayor of the Ghetto". Carter was eventually convicted of armed robbery and was imprisoned in Soledad prison for four years. While incarcerated Carter became influenced by the Nation of Islam and the teachings of Malcolm X, and he converted to Islam. He would later renounce Islam after an encounter with Eldridge Cleaver citing contradictions and focus on the black liberation struggle. After his release, Carter met Huey Newton, one of the founders of the Black Panther Party, and was convinced to join the party in 1967.

(it is interesting he was influenced by NOI at the same prison god knows what they did with Sirhan Sirhan)

<snip>

The Black Panthers were referred to as "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country" by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, and the party was targeted by the secret FBI operation known as COINTELPRO. As later revealed later in Senate testimony, the FBI worked with the Los Angeles Police Department to harass and intimidate party members. In 1968 and 1969, numerous false arrests and warrantless searches were documented, and several members were killed in altercations with the police. "The Breakfast for Children Program," wrote Hoover in an internal FBI memo in May 1969, "represents the best and most influential activity going for the BPP and, as such, is potentially the greatest threat to efforts by authorities to neutralize the BPP and destroy what it stands for." The breakfast program was effectively shut down by daily arrests of members; however, those charges were usually dropped within a week. Later in 1969, Hoover sent orders to FBI field offices: "exploit all avenues of creating dissension within the ranks of the BPP", and "submit imaginative and hard-hitting counterintelligence measures aimed at crippling the BPP".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunchy_Carter

Back to Sirhan Sirhan. I don't think many people are aware of the Jordan being the US spy capital of Southwest Asia. More renditions took place in Jordan than anywhere else. Jordan was an the Wahabbis ally when the Ottoman Empire was broken up.

(I swear on everything the Wikipedia editing changed since I started posting it -- I would like to read it first to see the kind of details to the confessions -- the beginning is filled with "forgeries", "nonsense", -- the spies are so transparent)

In the book, a British spy named Hempher, working in the early 1700s, tells of disguising himself as a Muslim and infiltrating the Ottoman Empire with the goal of weakening it to destroy Islam once and for all. He tells his readers: "when the unity of Muslims is broken and the common sympathy among them is impaired, their forces will be dissolved and thus we shall easily destroy them... We, the English people, have to make mischief and arouse schism in all our colonies in order that we may live in welfare and luxury."[5]

Hempher intends ultimately to weaken Muslim morals by promoting "alcohol and fornication," but his first step is to promote innovation and disorder in Islam by creating Wahhabism, which is to gain credibility by being on the surface morally strict. For this purpose, he enlists "a gullible, hotheaded young Iraqi in Basra named Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab". [4] Hempher corrupts and flatters Wahhab until the man is willing to found his own sect. According to Hempher, he is one of 5,000 British agents with the assignment of weakening Muslims, which the British government plans to increase to 100,000 by the end of the 18th century. Hempher writes, "when we reach this number we shall have brought all Muslims under our sway" and Islam will be rendered "into a miserable state from which it will never recover again."[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_of_Mr._Hempher,_The_British_Spy_to_the_Middle_East

They even changed the content to "Iraqi from Basra". WTF is going on with the Wiki edits? al-Wahhab was a preacher from Najd in what is present day Saudi Arabia -- the location of Riyadh.

Anyway, for some reason I wasn't sure the "confessions" were true whoever decided to change the edits on page is either a spy or doing their job for free.

Back to Jordan

Ex-Jordanian Spy Says Jordan Regime is Anti-Israel

A member of the Jordanian opposition, who used to be a senior level intelligence agent, claims that the Hashemite dynasty in Jordan supports the Muslim Brotherhood and is no friend of the State of Israel.

Ouni Abed Botrous Hadaddeen is a former senior level Jordanian agent who is Christian. He defected from Jordan because he objected to the Jordanian monarchy’s practice of assassinating Jordanian citizens who have protested against the current regime. Ouni was born to the tribe of Hadadeen, which is supportive of the Hashemite dynasty that has traditionally filled significant positions within the Jordanian government and armed services. While he worked as a senior level Jordanian intelligence “collaborator” (spy), Ouni was ordered by the Jordanian government to confront anti-government protests and to lead counter protests in support of the Jordanian monarchy. In addition, he was told to write articles within the Arab media in support of the Jordanian government to prevent Jordan’s power base from collapsing, as was the case in Egypt during the “Arab Spring”. Hadaddeen claims that supporting the current Jordanian regime is not in the best interest of Israel and has accused Jordan’s King Abdullah of manipulating the Jordanian people to have negative views and even hatred of Israel.

Hadaddeen is presently a political refugee in Norway, while his family remains within Jordan. He claims that the Jordanian government has constantly threatened to rape and murder his wife and three young daughters. When asked if the threats were credible, Ouni said that rape is a systematic tool used by the Jordanian intelligence and the fact that he is Christian, rather than from a Muslim tribe, makes the regime less concerned about repercussions. Despite the threats, Hadaddeen continues to be an outspoken advocate against the Jordanian monarchy, out of the belief that at this point only public exposure will help his family.

There is evidence to back up Ouni’s claim that the Jordanian regime is fomenting hatred for Israel among the Jordanian people. The Jordanian educational system, instead of teaching the country’s youth to peacefully co-exist with Israel, educates youngsters that Palestine was stolen by the Jews. A report published by Anti-Semitism and Xenophobia Today, states that in Jordanian school textbooks, “references to Zionists as agents of imperialism and proponents of expansionists’ schemes […] occur.” Many of the anti-Israel textbooks that are presently used within Palestinian schools were originally Jordanian textbooks.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/ex-jordanian-intelligence-collaborator-says-jordan-regime-is-anti-israel/

Anyone that doubts the truth lacks a cold reality check though I wouldn't wish a cold reality check on my worst enemy. I don't think people realize they are psychological manipulating the public as well. The secrets aren't being kept from "our" enemies because their enemies already know the truth. The secrets are being kept from us and it damages their behavior. CIA recently blocked Bay of Pigs release because it would "confuse the public".

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
29. Sounds like you have some experience as another "whackjob" like so many of US JonLP24-lol. Yep,
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jul 2015

there is a history that targeted individuals from targeted groups have experienced that used to be hidden-but no longer.
The tipping point was reached several years ago when former perps, witnesses and survivors formed alliances and the TRUTH about that darkside from multiple sources became public here in the land of the controlled media.

Historically, US Special Operations was full of "magical mystery" tours of duty indeed. Many of US will never respond with silence to the programmed command of "shut the fuck up" nor other neural linguinistic programming/NLP.

You are right that the rest of the world knows more about this than we do-but that is in transition. Below are a couple of links to other trusted sources that are on topic in this thread.

The New York Times and APA Cover Up for "Confused" Military Torturers (July 22, 2008 Constantine Report)
http://www.constantinereport.com/the-new-york-times-and-apa-cover-up-for-confused-us-military-torturers

Psychologists For Social Responsibility
http://psysr.org

CIA Mind Control: Senate Committee Report Reveals Torture Program Originated in Same Department as MKULTRA (Jeff Kaye FireDogLake July 28, 2015 via The Constantine Report)
http://www.constantinereport.com/cia-mind-control-senate-committee-report-reveals-cia-torture-program-originated-department-mkultra

I'm 65, fwiw.

RobinA

(9,878 posts)
13. Generalize Much?
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:19 AM
Jul 2015

Many psychologists left the organization over this issue. I am not a psychologist, but I was a student member of the APA when this issue first surfaced. The AMA and the psychiatrists had come out publicly against torture and the ethics of their members' taking part in it. The APA lagged and then came out with a strongly worded (weasel words, that is) document that said pretty much nothing of substance about torture, but made it clear it was declining to take a firm stance. I cancelled my membership at that point.

It now seems that the statement at the time was influenced by psychologists who would go on to have a money interest in relationships with DoD. This was not something the rank and file would necessarily have known at the time. That said, the APA is going to be feeling this one for a long time and hopefully it will make individual members of not just the APA, but other groups, pay more attention to what their groups are standing for. In general, I find that people are much less activist than some decades ago, and tend not to worry a lot about things that do not directly effect them. Oh course, many psychologist DID take exception to the APA's official position on torture and DID vote with their feet.

And to the APA - you should have seen this one coming a mile away. There is no excuse. Pay more attention the next time.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
12. Their Association brought that up when one of their Doctors first 'contracted' with Bush to torture!
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:29 AM
Jul 2015
Why did the 'professional association' shut-up way back then? you better prove the Bush Admin threatened you all to be quiet.

That entire " association of psychologists" is to blame for allowing one or two of their colleagues to become torture Doctors for Bush-Cheney.

I hope all of you get prison terms.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
17. Why I Am Not A Member Of The American Psychological Association (Craig Chalquist PhD)
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.chalquist.com/apa.html
I'm not a fan of Chalquist's but there is no denial of the facts re: APA in the hyperlink above.

I certainly trust the work of Alfred W. McCoy as cited upthread.

Science In Dachau's Shadow: Hebb, Beecher And The Development Of CIA Psychological Torture And Modern Medical Ethics (Alfred W. McCoy Fall 2007 Journal of the History of the Behavioral Sciences pdf)
https://www.uio.no/studier/emner/jus/ikrs/KRIM2950/h11/undervisningsmateriale/McCoy.pdf

I care about how far too many people's stories that were based on their personal experiences were discredited by "professionals"-I care about the truth about how torture and non-consensual experimentation have continued with the sanction of professional organizations.

One more point, just like torture performed by APA members through the decades, MK OFTEN never stopped. I would think that proud Pagans and others here at DU would criticize these programs hidden in the history of "national security" in addition to those of us from mainstream Judeo-Christian culture.

Kick

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
18. Three senior officials lose their jobs at APA after US torture scandal (Spencer Ackerman 7-14-15
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jul 2015

The Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/14/apa-senior-officials-torture-report-cia

Merely symbolic. Let's not forget the no longer hidden history. Demand real justice-this was done in the name of we, the people.

Add to this thread.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
19. Accused of Enabling Torture, a US Military Psychologist Says He Was Doing the Opposite (Jason
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jul 2015

Leopold 7-15-15 Vice News article)
https://news.vice.com/article/accused-of-enabling-torture-a-us-military-psychologist-says-he-was-doing-the-opposite

This is still LBN as the blowback continues. Medical professionals do torture.

Moreover, I doubt that Alfreda Bikowsky is the only CIA "Queen of Torture"-what do you think DUers?
CIA Officer Alfreda Frances Bikowsky (Cryptocomb)
http://cryptocomb.org/?p=338

Kick for updates.


 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
20. Guatanamo Bay psychologists to remain despite APA torture fallout (Spencer Ackerman 7-15-15 Guard-
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jul 2015

ian) ((Thank you for your work Spencer & Guardian editors))
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/15/psychologists-remain-guantanamo-bay-apa-torture

Let's not forget that's only about Gitmo from a bunch of professional liars, right?
The article below is about another factor in the torture being done in the name of we, the people.

Torture, American-Style: The Role of Money in Interrogations (Katherine Eban 7-14-15 Vanity Fair)
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/07/torture-american-style-hoffman-report

The rapists/torturers or therapists-what part is still deliberately "misunderstood" about that DU???

Response to bobthedrummer (Original post)

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
23. Looks like I missed something yesterday ^
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jul 2015

Thanks for the kick, because this is still LBN via the blow back. I encourage others to add to this thread about the policy f scientific tortures, often called "therapy", by the perps in the medical profession.

For American Pschological Association, National Security Trumped Torture Concerns (Jenna McLaughlin 7-14-15 The Intercept)
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/14/cia-involving-psychologists-torture-sounds-bad-ok

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
24. Helping victims &veterans is different than helping military..
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jul 2015

Plan and execute torture. BushCo military had "psychologists" helping them plan the torture.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
26. Lots of dedicated military doctors refused illegal orders-some were whistleblowers put at peril. n/t
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jul 2015
 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
31. Speaking of Donald Henry Rumsfeld et al, take a gander at this little collection of torture policy
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:10 PM
Jul 2015

makers (maybe that was part of the Revolution in Military Affairs too)

The Interrogation Documents: Debating U.S. Policy and Methods (The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 127)
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/index.htm

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
25. The APA torture scandal and the Nuremberg doctors trial (Tom Carter 7-13-15 RINF repost)
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jul 2015
http://rinf.com/alt-news/latest-news/apa-torture-scandal-nuremberg-doctors-trial

The link below represents what used to be labeled crazy conspiracy theory-that epoch is now gone.

Mind Control Survivors Testimony 1995 Before Human Radiation Experiments Committee: Therapist Valerie Wolf, Claudia Mullen, Christine deNicola
http://www.whale.to/b/wolf3.html


Add to this thread DU-there's a lot of blowback currently LBN.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
28. The Hoffman Report: After Years of Lies, Who Holds the APA Accountable? (John M. Grohol Psy.D. July
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jul 2015

11, 2015 PsychCentral entry)
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/07/11/the-hoffman-report-after-years-of-lies-who-holds-the-apa-accountable

Certainly the APA membership's Task Force was disregarded-if not considered useless-- by the torture as policy criminals.

APA Member-Initiated Task Force to Reconcile Policies Related to Psychologists Involvement in National Security Settings (APA)
http://unifiedpolicytaskforce.org

How many minds/souls have some of your "therapists" tortured/destroyed today, APA???

Add to this thread DUers.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
30. Prisoner Abuse: Patterns From The Past (The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 122)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jul 2015

this includes the CIA KUBARK manual from 1960's and 1983 revised version-a tutorial on torture and assassination
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/index.htm

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
34. So, no coincidences, and plenty of horrific historical examples of what both APA's theoretical
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jul 2015

foundations include. Eugenics, for instance.

The Third Reich's medical professionals like psychiatrist Ernst Rudin and Mengele's teacher Otmar von Verschuer. Recent news makes all this blowback LBN.

Remains of Jewish Victims of Nazi Medical Experiments Found in France (AP 7-20-15 via Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/21/remains-jewish-victims-nazi-experiments-found-france

The APA has forgotten what many of US will never forget. SHAME ON YOU ALL.

Nuremberg Lamentation: For the Forgotten Victims of Medical Science (William E. Seidelman MD 1996 Medicine and Global Survival Vol 3 pdf)
http://www.ippnw.org/pdf/mgs/3-seidelman.pdf

There are no coincedences when it comes to the wealthy that supported/still support eugenics.

Philanthropy's Shame (Martin Morse Wooster Dec 2003 Philanthropy)
http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/topic/excellence_in_philanthropy/philanthropys_shame

Our veterans and their families have been used and abused as non-consensual research populations, and too often therapists were the rapists.

American citizens were put on politicized lists and some were subjected to the evils of MKULTRA/MKSEARCH etc for generations including non-consensual research aka TORTURE developed by mental health renegades right here in the USA.

Kick for participation and updates.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
35. The Hidden Tragedy of the CIA's Experiments on Children (Dr. Jeffery S. Kaye & HP Albarelli Jr 8-11
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jul 2015

2010 Truth Out)
http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/91211:the-hidden-tragedy-of-the-cias-experiments-on-children

Does anyone truly think this has come to an end? Of course not-it's expanded and been "privatized" through gray/black budget contracting including members of both APA's.

Add to this thread DU.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
36. From yesterday- news about next week's APA annual Board meeting in Toronto
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:20 PM
Aug 2015

Following Damning Report, American Psychological Association May Prohibit Interrogation Involvement (Andrea Germanos 7-31-15 Common Dreams)
http://commondreams.org/news/2015/07/31/following-damning-report-american-psychological-association-may-prohibit

MAY! THIS IS FAR BEYOND CAPTAIN MAY I, ISN"T IT DU?

Your input is vital to this thread, as the blow back continues. Any DUer(s) going to the Toronto APA Board meeting next week-in any capacity?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
37. Psychologists Collusion With US Torture Limited Our Ability To Decry It Anywhere
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:23 PM
Aug 2015

"The scale of US torture, especially at CIA black sites, remains unknown" (Dr. Steven Miles 7-11-15 Guardian via Alternet repost)
http://alternet.org/psychologists-collusion-us-torture-limited-our-ability-decry-it-anywhere

Who else feels that is well intentioned, but too little too late?

There are precedents that followed the rule of law APA-and there is a death penalty in the US, which I support in some cases.

The Doctors Trial: The Medical Case Of The Subsequent Nuremberg Proceedings (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)
http://www.ushmm.org/information/exhibitions/online-features/special-focus/doctors-trial

That Toronto APA Board meeting this week promises to be interesting, for both the rapists and the human material.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
38. Anti-torture reforms opposed within psychology group after damning report (Spencer Ackerman 8-2-15
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 12:13 PM
Aug 2015

The Guardian)

"Tempers rise within American Psychological Association, which independent review recently found was complicit in brutal military and CIA interrogation..."

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/02/psychological-association-anti-torture-reforms

What about this latest news-is anyone "shocked" that there is opposition to TORTURE within the medical profession-particularly both APA's?

What are your views on this latest APA OUTRAGE?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
39. Sirens of the Potomac: Think Tanks and Torture (Emma Briant 7-23-15 Counterpunch)
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:47 PM
Aug 2015

"Recent findings of the independent report into the American Psychological Association 'collusion' in torture is not shocking. This is a symptom of a larger infestation that is eating away at the independence of social science..."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/23/sirens-of-the-potomac-think-tanks-and-torture

So that's what the extremist spooks at places like Hill and Knowlton, The Mercatus Center, The Manhattan Institute etc. were up to years ago-and now torture is POLICY, and it's been here for quite awhile in the privatized form-birthed by the colonies created by Cheney/Rumsfeld's crew @ The Office of Special Plans.

Another "NATIONAL SECURITY" CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY that is ongoing.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
40. Meet Dr. Susan E. Brandon, American Psychiatric Association member-and a veteran TORTURER
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 05:34 PM
Aug 2015

Susan Brandon (zoominfo page)
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Susan-Brandon/246875025

Those think tanks have given US so many dedicated highly networked leaders in torture policy making-like Dr. Brandon's buddy below

Michael Rubin (RightWeb profile)
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Rubin_Michael

So, DU, what should we, the people do with those that have tortured in our name??? What about those criminal therapists right here in the USA?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
41. One last kick to this thread from me, an article from May 29, 2007 in The Atlantic
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 01:25 PM
Aug 2015

Verscharfte Vernehmung (enhanced interrogation techniques)
http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/05/-versch-auml-rfte-vernehmung/228158

That APA Board meet in Toronto will be LBN soon...

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
42. Jeb Bush refuses to rule out use of torture if he becomes US president (AP&Spencer Ackerman 8-14-15
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 04:46 PM
Aug 2015

The Guardian) yep, here we go again with more APA blowback, a major kick.

"Republican candidate Jeb Bush says torture is inappropriate but use of brutal questioning methods may be justifiable and necessary for the US government"
http://theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/14/jeb-bush-refuses-to-rule-out-use-of-torture-if-he-becomes-us-president

He's not alone, is he, DUers?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
43. The new SecDef Ashton Carter is not on the level of war criminals like Rumsfeld et al yet. Not yet.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:26 PM
Aug 2015

American Defense Secretary Ashton Carter: Physicist for War and Profit (John Stanton 6-24-15 pdf via Cryptome)
http://cryptome.org/2015/06/secdef-carter-profiteer.pdf

Today, how many veterans will kill themselves, regardless of all else, Mr. Secretary?

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