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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:19 PM Jul 2015

Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours

Source: ABC News

Today, Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush, who as of-late has gone relatively gaffe-free, uttered a phrase that may not go over too well with the constituency he seeks to reach. During an interview that was live-streamed on the app Periscope, Bush told New Hampshire’s “The Union Leader” that to grow the economy, “people should work longer hours.”

He was answering a question about his plans for tax reform and responded:

“My aspiration for the country and I believe we can achieve it, is 4 percent growth as far as the eye can see. Which means we have to be a lot more productive, workforce participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows. It means that people need to work longer hours” and, through their productivity, gain more income for their families. That's the only way we're going to get out of this rut that we're in.”

Already the Democratic National Committee has pounced, releasing a statement that calls his remarks “easily one of the most out-of-touch comments we’ve heard so far this cycle,” adding that Bush would not fight for the middle class as president.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jeb-bush-people-work-longer-hours/story?id=32313997

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Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours (Original Post) Newsjock Jul 2015 OP
Would not know how to work one hour in his life, has no clue what the word means randys1 Jul 2015 #1
+1000 C Moon Jul 2015 #26
I'm not irate. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #58
I'm actually happy Reter Jul 2015 #63
There's that. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #66
but people need to register what he is saying Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #89
Add this to his comments awhile back that we should increase the age limit on SS! Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #125
AMEN to that Randys1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! onecent Jul 2015 #141
this from the asshat who hasn't worked for 3 yrs. wordpix Jul 2015 #153
That, from some silver-spooned jackass that has never had a real job in his life corkhead Jul 2015 #2
So, Jeb... gregcrawford Jul 2015 #3
So, you have three of those cushy Helen Borg Jul 2015 #149
Just like George. Delmette Jul 2015 #162
The absence of empathy... gregcrawford Jul 2015 #169
They are both scary. Delmette Jul 2015 #170
Entitled trust fund pricks like him need to be put out in the fields Cleita Jul 2015 #4
Indeed forsaken mortal Jul 2015 #158
Another fucken Bush fool! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2015 #5
I think he's onto something Ruby the Liberal Jul 2015 #6
:) Hortensis Jul 2015 #108
You know what, Jeb... logosoco Jul 2015 #7
What logosoco said. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #78
Yep! Helen Borg Jul 2015 #150
How uniquely Amurican peacefreak Jul 2015 #8
well, at least he's telling people what they're in for HFRN Jul 2015 #9
^^^ THAT tavernier Jul 2015 #62
Summed it up perfectly for me Hydra Jul 2015 #86
exactly. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #87
Exactly exactly. Hortensis Jul 2015 #109
And people will still vote for him nxylas Jul 2015 #128
sad but true - the 'all or nothing' proposition that is sold HFRN Jul 2015 #129
What a fucking piece of dung. RiverNoord Jul 2015 #10
This actually encourages me. potone Jul 2015 #11
bush senior sprts Jul 2015 #59
No, actually, he did. What amazed him was a new scanner in a store that could scan all the groceries... Moonwalk Jul 2015 #83
I'd be amazed at that too but I don't believe a word of it. Live and Learn Jul 2015 #94
it read ripped labels caraher Jul 2015 #117
Thank you for clarifying that. I don't know where I heard that it read all the items in the cart.... Moonwalk Jul 2015 #136
Wait a minute... gregcrawford Jul 2015 #107
you're right, it didn't caraher Jul 2015 #118
It was very hard to find a reputable source for this caraher Jul 2015 #116
My recollection is that he didn't know how much a quart of milk cost erronis Jul 2015 #140
Hope so. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #60
Oh, I wish tavalon Jul 2015 #122
Yeah, you're right. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #157
That's good tavalon Jul 2015 #163
But we recognize there are no reasonable Republican candidates. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #105
Exactly. But will hard-worked Rep middle class see this as about them and not just a dog whistle? Hortensis Jul 2015 #106
"All any other candidate has to do is to point out..." <No. "I saved a thousand slaves. I could have jtuck004 Jul 2015 #138
I Can't Wait Until Bernie Pounces On That Statement.....nt global1 Jul 2015 #12
This. I'm looking forward to it! n/t ms liberty Jul 2015 #49
This will be his 47% moment. Wellstone ruled Jul 2015 #13
I want to see this in a thousand political ads between now and.... lastlib Jul 2015 #33
And to think his Mommy and Daddy and Brothers all think the same of the American Worker. Wellstone ruled Jul 2015 #91
Well there goes to youth and young family vote. Does he have any idea how long people are jwirr Jul 2015 #14
Consider how many of us senior citizens are working--clown doesn't have a base to stand on Demeter Jul 2015 #104
Which is good for us Democrats. jwirr Jul 2015 #114
Jeb wants to piss on us Geronimoe Jul 2015 #15
I work an average of 55-65 hours a week... Earth_First Jul 2015 #16
For the last 20 years, productivity has gone through the roof... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #17
Fucker. "You little people need to be more productive! We here at the top aren't satisfied with TwilightGardener Jul 2015 #18
get it, everyone? Skittles Jul 2015 #19
unless you're salaried Blackjackdavey Jul 2015 #133
jebbie boy, there are plenty of words I want to say to you, but niyad Jul 2015 #20
Not on this site! tazkcmo Jul 2015 #42
you should tell us how you really feel!! niyad Jul 2015 #81
Well said tavalon Jul 2015 #123
Not fit to lead. Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #21
How 'bout more people have jobs, work fewer hours, and have quality time with their families? Martin Eden Jul 2015 #22
Just remember: Saviolo Jul 2015 #147
Not familiar with the origin of the phrase Martin Eden Jul 2015 #148
Jeb wants latino immigrants as permanent guest workers(cheap labor). Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #23
Would result in more workplace violence End Of The Road Jul 2015 #24
Make him wear that like a cheap suit. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #25
I hope that one shadows him for the entire campaign. C Moon Jul 2015 #27
That makes no sense unless he is intentionally trying to lose Auggie Jul 2015 #28
Whatta maroon...Capital, aka ownership, has been absorbing all of our productivity gains for decades BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #29
We don't have a productivity problem. We need more surplus value! Fuck these leeches. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #30
Noblesse Busheez kairos12 Jul 2015 #31
And the under-employed and home self-employed? bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #32
Devil's Advocate: maybe he meant that people working 30 hours with no benefits need 40 + benies Shrike47 Jul 2015 #34
Says the fuckstick who has NEVER worked an honest hour in his life. 47of74 Jul 2015 #35
Dear Jeb, please supply the number of house per week your entire family works Coventina Jul 2015 #36
This just confirms for me... americannightmare Jul 2015 #37
Over at Digby's Hullabaloo blog vlakitti Jul 2015 #38
Damn Lazy Ass Poor Folk,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2015 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Jul 2015 #40
Wow: there's a Winning Strategy from the Smart Boooosh. truebluegreen Jul 2015 #41
he's not Dimmerson for nothing wordpix Jul 2015 #154
Dimson and Dimmerson! I like it. truebluegreen Jul 2015 #160
Yes, like Boxer, most loyal worker in the cause of "Animalism" . . . Journeyman Jul 2015 #43
Did he tell his brother? George II Jul 2015 #44
Wow. Just Wow. CanonRay Jul 2015 #45
" Bush would not fight for the middle class as president." Oh I doubt that part, I am sure he would cstanleytech Jul 2015 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Jul 2015 #47
K & R. silvershadow Jul 2015 #48
He needs to STFU heaven05 Jul 2015 #50
One of the most impolitic statements I've ever heard a politician make n/t lordsummerisle Jul 2015 #51
Americans (and Canadians) LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #52
Fuck him and the silver spoon he rode in on. nt valerief Jul 2015 #53
Through the looking glass...Jeb invokes the Red Queen solution to income inequality... HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #54
FU Jebbers. Still In Wisconsin Jul 2015 #55
Isn't he supposed to be the "smart one"? nt JeffHead Jul 2015 #56
Here's the video. You decide. Beauregard Jul 2015 #61
Work longer hours? SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #74
I think people only assumed that because they haven't been paying much ohnoyoudidnt Jul 2015 #70
Screw you, JEB! nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #57
Just one more stinking bag of shit that ugly old battleax Babs crapped out. Jack-o-Lantern Jul 2015 #64
She's the only person I hate more than her children. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #67
American workers are more productive than ever, Jeb, you fuckwit. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #65
That's right. They_Live Jul 2015 #75
+1 Was hoping someone would bring that up!! Live and Learn Jul 2015 #95
This latest statement of Jeb! Bush indicates that he, like his brother and his father, No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #68
As crazy as his brother JackInGreen Jul 2015 #69
In order for your family to have more vacation time? tavernier Jul 2015 #71
Shades of Mitt Romney homegirl Jul 2015 #72
And the three jobs of his brother. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #76
That was no gaffe! n/t vkkv Jul 2015 #73
2016 is GOP amatuer hour. Bernie or HRC will chew his ass up. n/t slumcamper Jul 2015 #77
HRC already ripped Jeb on this--with a great chart. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #98
The thing that doubly burns my ass about ignorant statements like that nightscanner59 Jul 2015 #79
Supply side economics applied to labor . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #80
These people are fucking nuts. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #82
He was answering a question about his plans for tax reform hibbing Jul 2015 #84
Sure it would be great to work longer hours....if it was for 1 full-time job instead Gloria Jul 2015 #85
No, Jeb eom catrose Jul 2015 #88
Remember the late Ann Richards speaking of Jeb's father KinMd Jul 2015 #90
Did he tell his lazy ass brother that when he was prez? Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #92
Rich man disconnected from the reality romanic Jul 2015 #93
More productive? Nite Owl Jul 2015 #96
Americans already work longer hours and are more productive than European workers. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #97
Realistically, an economy can't grow any faster than the demand for goods and services. ronnie624 Jul 2015 #99
"and good night, folks!" AZ Progressive Jul 2015 #100
Has he worked? get the red out Jul 2015 #101
yes he worked for FL developers and real estate tycoons making it easy for them to wordpix Jul 2015 #155
His view from the big house on the plantation dembotoz Jul 2015 #102
We're already more productive than other nations, you son of a crime family. merrily Jul 2015 #103
That's not going to play well. DCBob Jul 2015 #110
This guy Third Doctor Jul 2015 #111
I don't understand how Republicans continue to get votes. It seems to me that ladjf Jul 2015 #112
Lil' Jebbie needs to work longer hours, too... Gumboot Jul 2015 #113
Don't Forget Punx Jul 2015 #115
Not falling for that again tuhaybey Jul 2015 #119
Now, how do I do that without a job ? eppur_se_muova Jul 2015 #120
This assumes those of us hourly workers actually get paid overtime... Momgonepostal Jul 2015 #121
The homeless and jobless community agrees. L0oniX Jul 2015 #124
Is this his Romney's '47%' moment? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #126
Jeb is just as clueless as his brother Gothmog Jul 2015 #127
American workers are the most productive in the first world, get the least time off, work the tblue37 Jul 2015 #130
This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Jul 2015 #131
F.U. rtracey Jul 2015 #132
The answer is right behind his head: Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #134
Damn straight! hamsterjill Jul 2015 #142
I posted this in another thread, but it probably belongs here as well. Maedhros Jul 2015 #135
This could actually work americanrabbit Jul 2015 #137
We should also FORCE people to work. The lazy bums! Let's build labor camps! Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #139
I'd be happy to get a meaningful job again, but… Efilroft Sul Jul 2015 #143
good point - in my 60's, I cannot get full time job following recovery from cancer surgery + wordpix Jul 2015 #156
"Talent acquisition" strikes again. Sigh. Efilroft Sul Jul 2015 #165
If Bush does get the nomination... Dopers_Greed Jul 2015 #144
He wouldn't know work abakan Jul 2015 #145
The problem with Jebs type of thinking is... Flatulo Jul 2015 #146
How about spending Helen Borg Jul 2015 #151
Maybe Jeb just needs to find some honest work Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #152
Finally going to participate ion_theory Jul 2015 #159
Fuck you, Jeb Bush. Hissyspit Jul 2015 #161
Given the number of salaried people, let me add my Fuck You!! to John Ellis. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #164
yeah, and with lower pay and decreased benefits. That would improve his personal economy. olddad56 Jul 2015 #166
In other words: Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #167
He always looks like an unmade bed. Tikki Jul 2015 #168
This is much worse than the 47% line. Daniel537 Jul 2015 #171
Completely. Effing. CLUELESS. I_Like_Hammers Jul 2015 #172

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Would not know how to work one hour in his life, has no clue what the word means
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jul 2015

If everyone reading this is not FUCKING IRATE

then you are dead

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
89. but people need to register what he is saying
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jul 2015

many either don't read newspapers, internet.

People who watch Fox News will like that. They will want to work longer hours for less pay. They love to vote against their own interest.

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
125. Add this to his comments awhile back that we should increase the age limit on SS!
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jul 2015

Longer hours and longer work life. Explain that to a guy that works as a laborer in construction that his back needs to last until he is 70 years old!

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
153. this from the asshat who hasn't worked for 3 yrs.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jul 2015

I think he left the FL gov job in 2012 but correct me if I'm wrong

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
2. That, from some silver-spooned jackass that has never had a real job in his life
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jul 2015

no, being governor doesn't count.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
3. So, Jeb...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jul 2015

... which of my three jobs should I work longer at to make your scumbag cronies richer? Just askin'...

Delmette

(522 posts)
162. Just like George.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jul 2015

Remember when George was confronted at a town hall meeting by a woman who worked three jobs. All he did was laugh. He had no reply for her.

They are both lacking empathy for the working people of this world.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
169. The absence of empathy...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 06:50 AM
Jul 2015

... is the hallmark of a sociopath. I remember how delighted Dubya was to tell us all, "I'm a WAR president! Heh! Heh! Heh!"

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
4. Entitled trust fund pricks like him need to be put out in the fields
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jul 2015

picking cotton or something, twelve hours a day for a year. Then they can offer opinions on labor and not before.

forsaken mortal

(112 posts)
158. Indeed
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:14 PM
Jul 2015

Let him go out to the construction workers that are pouring sweat as they build houses in 110 degree heat from sun-up to sun-down and tell them that they aren't working hard enough. I'm sure they'll agree with his entitled candy-ass.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,217 posts)
6. I think he's onto something
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:27 PM
Jul 2015

Work longer hours, for the same pay, and if you are 'lucky', they will fire every other coworker so that each person does the job of 2 people, freeing up the newly unemployed to work elsewhere.

Awesome sauce. I think he's figured out the solution!

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
9. well, at least he's telling people what they're in for
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:37 PM
Jul 2015

working harder and harder

for less and less

on the same trendline since 1973

while the top 1 percent go from pharaohs to ultra pharaohs

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
128. And people will still vote for him
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jul 2015

Because daggum it, they're going to be the ultra pharaohs one day, and they sure as h-e-double-toothpicks don't want to have to pay taxes when they do.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
129. sad but true - the 'all or nothing' proposition that is sold
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:40 AM
Jul 2015

leaves more than 99% with the latter

even among those who buy it

potone

(1,701 posts)
11. This actually encourages me.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

He obviously has no idea how hard most people are working. This could be the equivalent of his father not seeming to know how a scanner worked at a grocery store (he actually did, so that wasn't really fair). All any other candidate has to do is to point out the statistics that show that Americans on average work longer hours than the workers in most industrialized countries, and for less pay, and I think he will be toast. And he is supposed to be the reasonable Republican candidate.

 

sprts

(29 posts)
59. bush senior
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jul 2015

may have known about scanner technology, but what sunk him was that he had no Idea that they were being used in stores. It showed how out of touch he was because lackeys did his shopping for him.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
83. No, actually, he did. What amazed him was a new scanner in a store that could scan all the groceries...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jul 2015

...in a cart at once, rather than having to scan them one by one. This was misunderstood as him not knowing that stores used scanners, which sunk him as not being in touch with average folk who go to grocery stores. He wasn't in touch with average folk who go to grocery stores, but his amazement at that scanner wasn't evidence of that. It's a false meme.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
94. I'd be amazed at that too but I don't believe a word of it.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jul 2015

Any evidence of a scanner like that existing even now, let alone when senior was President?

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
136. Thank you for clarifying that. I don't know where I heard that it read all the items in the cart....
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jul 2015

But I did know that his "amazement" over the scanner wasn't that it just scanned bar codes, as most people surmised.

caraher

(6,276 posts)
116. It was very hard to find a reputable source for this
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jul 2015

But according to the AP, the scanner in question was designed to read ripped or wrinkled barcodes


Feb. 11, 1992 2:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) _ It turns out the supermarket scanner that drew President Bush's attention at a grocers' convention last week really did have some unusual features.

It can read labels - the so-called universal product codes - that are ripped up and jumbled.

That is apparently what prompted Bush to tell the National Grocers Association in Orlando Feb. 4 he was ''amazed'' by the technology.


Weirdly, there apparently once was a Snopes piece on this, but I can only find it in web archives, not on the current Snopes site.

erronis

(14,955 posts)
140. My recollection is that he didn't know how much a quart of milk cost
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jul 2015

This is at least what stuck with me.

The honchos of the universe/free-world/USA aren't at all in touch with the 99.9% that need their income to be able to afford milk and rent and real-life expenses. It's easy for them to talk about the 47% or the 4% growth - they've never been poor, they've never had to juggle living expenses.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
60. Hope so.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jul 2015

Sounds like his 47% to me.

Makes a lot of sense, right? Those of us who are employed work longer hours, so the unemployment rate stays up, so people are desperate for jobs, so they can pay us less....

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
122. Oh, I wish
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jul 2015

But unfortunately, he's our HRC. The primary voters will not be enthused by him but when his massive war chest makes him the frontrunner, they will dutifully line up behind him. This is, sadly, a minor misstep, not a battleship sinking one. It should be, but it's not.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
157. Yeah, you're right.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jul 2015

Plus people will have forgotten it by the primaries, much less the general.

At least it made NPR this pm.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
106. Exactly. But will hard-worked Rep middle class see this as about them and not just a dog whistle?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:28 AM
Jul 2015
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
138. "All any other candidate has to do is to point out..." <No. "I saved a thousand slaves. I could have
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jul 2015

saved a thousand more, if only they knew they were slaves".

Harriet Tubman

Those people were in freakin' slavery, yet when you read her stories, half of the time she could not convince them that the unknown life beyond the plantation was better than the one they had.

And they were unschooled.

The 400 million or so here have had increasingly efficient formal training in acquiescence to authority. I think Harriet Tubman, if she were alive today, would just say fuck it and move somewhere else.

Fyi: When you go out to save them, wear a bulletproof vest, just in case they don't want to be saved, would rather see the world burn down around both of you than agree with you.

They will do that just on principle. And I know that from experience.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
13. This will be his 47% moment.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:43 PM
Jul 2015

Do you really think American people will buy this shit? Bye bye John Ellis Bush and good riddance.

lastlib

(22,981 posts)
33. I want to see this in a thousand political ads between now and....
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:15 PM
Jul 2015

the time he withdraws his sorry little azz and drags it back to his new "vacation home" in Connecticut!

Hell, I want to see it on his fuckin' tombstone! (The sooner, the better!)

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
91. And to think his Mommy and Daddy and Brothers all think the same of the American Worker.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jul 2015

Bye Bye Dippshit.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. Well there goes to youth and young family vote. Does he have any idea how long people are
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jul 2015

working today? Especially those who work low-income jobs.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
16. I work an average of 55-65 hours a week...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jul 2015

That's in addition to my family life and maintaining our home.

Jeb Bush: GFYS!

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
17. For the last 20 years, productivity has gone through the roof...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jul 2015

as well as CEO pay. Workers pay, however, is stagnant. Hey Jeb- go pound sand up your ass while nailing jello to a tree.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
18. Fucker. "You little people need to be more productive! We here at the top aren't satisfied with
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jul 2015

your output! You could be making making us more money, you lazy little shits!"

Skittles

(152,967 posts)
19. get it, everyone?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jul 2015

they will lower your wages but you can make up for it by working more hours! Ain't life SWELL!!!

tazkcmo

(7,286 posts)
42. Not on this site!
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jul 2015

You can off load on Republicans all you want. Have at it! You might feel better. Like this...

You low life , POS mf-er! Your silver spoon is shoved so far up your butt your brain has less oxygen. You piss ant, you wouldn't know what real work is like if it slapped your devil spawning mother up side her evil head.

Martin Eden

(12,803 posts)
22. How 'bout more people have jobs, work fewer hours, and have quality time with their families?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:55 PM
Jul 2015

And while we're at it, let's share the fruits of our labor more equitably so that Bush and his ilk don't skim so much off the top.

Saviolo

(3,270 posts)
147. Just remember:
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:42 PM
Jul 2015

"Quality time" was a con perpetrated on the North American family to make up for the Quantity Time that they were missing in the 70's due to working longer hours.

It was marketed as a liberation ideal:

The first use of the phrase that I've found is from the Maryland newspaper The Capital, January 1973, in a piece headed 'How To Be Liberated':

The major goal of each of these role changes is to give a woman time to herself, Ms. Burton explained."A woman's right and responsibility is to be self fulfilling," she said. She gives "quality time" rather than "quantity time" to each task, whether it be writing, cleaning the house or tending the children.


But it seems to be that it was a darkly cynical corporate invention to squeeze more productivity out of people. Work harder! Don't worry about all that quantity time you're missing with your family, make up for it with quality time! Corporations have always been quick to exploit women's lib and turn it into marketing, as they did with "torches of freedom" (cigarettes). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom

Martin Eden

(12,803 posts)
148. Not familiar with the origin of the phrase
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jul 2015

To me, quality time with the family has always meant having MORE time available to spend with family (meaning: work fewer hours).

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
23. Jeb wants latino immigrants as permanent guest workers(cheap labor).
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:56 PM
Jul 2015

Jeb wants us to work longer hours for less pay.

Jeb the facsist (just like his brother) his channeling his inner Franco.

End Of The Road

(1,397 posts)
24. Would result in more workplace violence
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:58 PM
Jul 2015

I can hardly make it 8 hrs without strangling Humming Moran in adjacent cubicle. Don't push me.

BeyondGeography

(39,284 posts)
29. Whatta maroon...Capital, aka ownership, has been absorbing all of our productivity gains for decades
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:09 PM
Jul 2015

How do you think their wealth grew in the first place?

Btw, Joe Strummer says fuck you, Jeb:

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
30. We don't have a productivity problem. We need more surplus value! Fuck these leeches.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jul 2015

Getting time to expropriate the expropriators.

bucolic_frolic

(42,678 posts)
32. And the under-employed and home self-employed?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jul 2015

They're going to work longer hours too? Doing what, exactly?

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
34. Devil's Advocate: maybe he meant that people working 30 hours with no benefits need 40 + benies
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:16 PM
Jul 2015

Employers intentionally keep workers below benefit hours to save money so the CEO can get a bigger yacht. Those who work part time but would like full time need to have the opportunity to work more hours....

Well, maybe.

On edit: now I've read the full article. Asshole meant work harder, more than the 45 - 60 you already work. Piss on him.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
35. Says the fuckstick who has NEVER worked an honest hour in his life.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jul 2015

Both that fuckstick Jeb and that fuckstick Shrub make me fucking sick.

americannightmare

(322 posts)
37. This just confirms for me...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jul 2015

what I've felt for some time now, that economics and business management are religious studies, there's no thinking going on, just belief, belief in neoliberal and neoconservative economic policies. How else to explain how stupid they sound when they spew this crap? What he is describing is a similar principle to cutting taxes on the rich and corporations: if cutting taxes for this group created jobs, we'd be swimming in jobs!!! If working overtime meant economic growth, we'd have his bloody 4 percent growth!!! Meanwhile, conservatives want to cut the availability of overtime and cut overtime pay (not that anyone should have to work overtime to earn a decent living). No reasonable person could show a path to the kind of economic growth he is talking about, or any for that matter. There will never again be any significant economic growth in this country, even a WPA-style infrastructure program couldn't pull it off, but that's no reason not to do it! The cost of responding to/mitigating climate change alone will prevent significant growth, not to mention this little problem with the financial shenanigans on Wall Street.

vlakitti

(401 posts)
38. Over at Digby's Hullabaloo blog
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jul 2015

Digby quotes a New York Times commentary about productivity:

"Between 1979 and 2014, while the gross domestic product grew 150 percent and productivity grew 75 percent, the inflation-adjusted hourly wage of the median worker rose just 5.6 percent — less than 0.2 percent a year. And since 2002, the bottom 80 percent of wage earners, including both male and female college graduates, have actually seen their wages stagnate or fall."

This is Bush being worse than Romney and is flat-out class war from the establishment and the rulers.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

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CanonRay

(14,038 posts)
45. Wow. Just Wow.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jul 2015

You can't make this shit up. Republicans opening their pie-holes is priceless. The campaign commercials are making themselves.

cstanleytech

(26,082 posts)
46. " Bush would not fight for the middle class as president." Oh I doubt that part, I am sure he would
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jul 2015

be willing to fight for the middle class.
Fight to stab it in the back that is, with as dull a knife as possible so it would take a long time to die.

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heaven05

(18,124 posts)
50. He needs to STFU
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jul 2015

and crawl back into that mink lined hole he came from. Hasn't had to work a day in his useless life, either with his brain or hands.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,154 posts)
52. Americans (and Canadians)
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jul 2015

Already work longer hours, with less pay, and way fewer holidays than every other western democracy.

For instance, in Germany, any worker, in any job is guaranteed 6 weeks paid vacation off in his first year! All this redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top in the last 40 years has resulted in the state we are in.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
54. Through the looking glass...Jeb invokes the Red Queen solution to income inequality...
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jul 2015

Running just keeps you in place, if you want to get anywhere you've got to run twice as fast.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
74. Work longer hours?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jul 2015

How about we get paid our fair share?

You think the *workers* are responsible for the "rut"? What world do you live in? Oh wait......

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
70. I think people only assumed that because they haven't been paying much
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:03 PM
Jul 2015

attention when he speaks. That will change now with him in the presidential race.

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
65. American workers are more productive than ever, Jeb, you fuckwit.
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jul 2015


It's our wages that are stagnant--or declining. The 1% took all the profit from the last three decades of massive worker productivity gains, without giving workers any raise to reflect their increased productivity. Now you want us to work even longer hours so you can rake in even more cash we will never see? FUCK YOU JEB!





Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
95. +1 Was hoping someone would bring that up!!
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jul 2015

It seems the more productive we are, the harder and longer they want us to work for less.

Only the CEOs benefit from our productivity.

No Vested Interest

(5,157 posts)
68. This latest statement of Jeb! Bush indicates that he, like his brother and his father,
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jul 2015

is not a thinker of any depth.
For the last 6 -7 years, the American people have grown used to a President who has pondered the various problems besetting our nation and our culture.
This man, Jeb! Bush, does not come close to reflecting that ability.
Jeb! Bush is a shallow thinker.

tavernier

(12,322 posts)
71. In order for your family to have more vacation time?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jul 2015

Perhaps we can work 24/7 so George can paint his masterpieces surrounded by servants? Or so your wifey can zip over to Paris and bring back the latest fashions under the tax radar?

I'm seventy years old and I work three jobs so that I can pay all the insurances and medications for my family. I'm not bitching because God has given me the strength to do it, but I have a problem with you telling me that I should work more hours.

I think that you should work LESS hours... As in anything that has to do with running for president!!!

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
98. HRC already ripped Jeb on this--with a great chart.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:15 AM
Jul 2015
"Anyone who believes Americans aren't working hard enough hasn't met enough American workers."
-Hillary Clinton




https://mobile.twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/618987543674142720

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
79. The thing that doubly burns my ass about ignorant statements like that
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:29 PM
Jul 2015

Is that loyal republidiots will mindlessly clap at even the most inane of statements such as this, convinced that their hero will save them from the hoardes of welfare-queens Fox Noize has convinced them all are "the problem". Observations of the troglodyte-consumer class during my recent foray into a midwestern region of the country where the Tea Party sort I encountered in abundance revealed that they simply don't possess the mental capacity to put together that republican shore-up-the-rich policies do not result in economic gains for the masses. Fox's flashy graphics and relentless sly psychological bent have them convinced that the whole country is in ruins right now despite all evidence to to the contrary, even when they are benefiting far better, can even admit that they are better off now and turn right around to blame Clinton for economic disaster under fuckstick Shrub.
The second class of ignorance that bothers me magnamously is also a ploy of republicanism. Operatives have also successfully bred such complacency or contempt of all things political under the meme of "Your vote doesn't make a difference" and "All politicians the same". I've seen this message spelled out in the lowest common intellect denominator of television programming on an occasion I was sickened by some program I was subject to unwillingly in a social situation. The same show carried the message that "college education is not necessary for success" and had a total plotline of "political involvement just makes trouble for you". This was a program aimed at Latino audiences. I was just.. wow... wtf... even not really paying attention to the idiotic show, these themes were hammered into the consumers in mesmerized attendance.
The two headed hydra of republicans is wielded with such utter disregard and actual contempt of their own constituency it is sickening. At least many of the clowns running these days have become so utterly sold on their own poisonous rhetoric they no longer even attempt to hide their imperialist browbeating.

hibbing

(10,076 posts)
84. He was answering a question about his plans for tax reform
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:43 PM
Jul 2015

We all know what all know what "tax reform" means to these nutjobs, the same thing it has meant for decades, tax cuts for the 1%. And if you just work more hours, one day you too will be rich enough to benefit from my tax cuts! Ask him what a gallon of milk costs and see what happens.

Peace

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
85. Sure it would be great to work longer hours....if it was for 1 full-time job instead
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:51 PM
Jul 2015

of having to work 2 or 3 part-time jobs just to make ends meet!

KinMd

(966 posts)
90. Remember the late Ann Richards speaking of Jeb's father
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jul 2015

"He can't help it, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth"

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
92. Did he tell his lazy ass brother that when he was prez?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jul 2015

Also, is this a winning strategy for a candidate? Seems cuckoo.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
96. More productive?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:48 AM
Jul 2015

Really? In other words work longer hours, take up the work of your cohort who got fired all for the same pay. Think we've been ther and done that and it didn't work out well for us but it was great for the corporations.
Aren't they the ones who yell about family values? Work longer so you won't see them.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
99. Realistically, an economy can't grow any faster than the demand for goods and services.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:12 AM
Jul 2015

What he means is, people need to work longer hours for less money, so the economy will be more profitable for corporations and rich people. When people like the Jeb Bush talk about economic growth, they're referring specifically to Wall Street's performance.

get the red out

(13,459 posts)
101. Has he worked?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:19 AM
Jul 2015

This silver spoon SOB really has some nerve. What "work" has he ever done? And no, totally fucking the state of Florida doesn't count. The people he puts down do more work in a week then he has done in his life.

Rethugs are sickening, but this idiot has now lost the right to criticize anything even Trump says.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
155. yes he worked for FL developers and real estate tycoons making it easy for them to
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jul 2015

ignore environmental laws and put golf course ponds where flowing streams used to be.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
103. We're already more productive than other nations, you son of a crime family.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:39 AM
Jul 2015


It really does burn, doesn't it? Romney had his Romney moment in a private fundraiser, relatively late in the general campaign, but was still too dumb to collect recording devices.

This one has his Romney moment before even one clown gets voted out of the clown car--and in a public statement no less.





Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
111. This guy
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 08:59 AM
Jul 2015

has never done a hard days work in his life and has sat around and gotten pair millions for basically nothing. He was born rich and has not held office for years. Its this type of crap that baffles me. Why would a working class person vote for someone that says this? Most GOPers think this way too. Even those that this would effect.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
112. I don't understand how Republicans continue to get votes. It seems to me that
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jul 2015

everything they advocate is contrary to the best interests of most Americans.

Gumboot

(531 posts)
113. Lil' Jebbie needs to work longer hours, too...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:28 AM
Jul 2015

... Preferably breaking rocks in the prison yard. 10 hours per day, 7 days a week.

Weird how the robber barons think we're not working ourselves to death enough so that they can have more.

Waiting for our glorious corporate media to ask Jeb about all the scams and schemes he was working so hard at during the 1980s and 1990s. Narcotics trafficking, banking, shady property deals, the faulty NoLa flood pumps, etc etc.

Don't lecture America about work, Jeb. You ain't qualified to talk about work.


Punx

(446 posts)
115. Don't Forget
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jul 2015

This jerk also wants to cut Social Security.

So productivity gains go to the top, but work harder, and don't expect any reward when you are old and tired.

That they are saying these things out loud should scare people. Honestly can't understand why anyone other than the top .1 % would vote for this guy, Walker, or Christie...well any of them.

tuhaybey

(76 posts)
119. Not falling for that again
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jul 2015

For decades in a row now, we've trusted that if we just work harder and harder and longer and longer, the employers would eventually give us some cut of our additional productivity and it hasn't happened. Over the past 35 years, despite mindboggling increases in hours and productivity, the income of the bottom 90% of us has actually fallen. They totally and completely screwed us- http://politicsthatwork.com/blog/inequality.php

And now they have the gall to demand even more from us? Screw you Bush. First, you make it right for what we've already done for you. Lets see the median wage go up 20% first. Then maybe- maybe- we'll talk about giving you more of our time and effort, but only under very strictly controlled circumstances where you can't screw us again.

eppur_se_muova

(36,227 posts)
120. Now, how do I do that without a job ?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jul 2015

I know you do it, so there must be a way.

No, I wasn't born a Bush ....

Oh, I see.

Momgonepostal

(2,871 posts)
121. This assumes those of us hourly workers actually get paid overtime...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jul 2015

I work for a place that sends you home when you max out your hours because they will not pay overtime. When we hit 28 hours for the week, we are done. Heaven forbid we work 30 and have to get health benefits! (For the record, I love my job, and am lucky enough that I do not need the full-time income.)

My husband has had a job where he supervised two people and was therefore exempt from OT.

How would working longer hours help workers like these in any way?

tblue37

(64,982 posts)
130. American workers are the most productive in the first world, get the least time off, work the
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jul 2015

longest hours, and get the most paltry benefits.

We also get the stingiest share of the value we produce, because the .01% take way more than their share. When companies and other businesses lay off workers, the remaining employees have to pick up the slack and work much more, but they are almost never paid more for all that extra work.

American workers should worker *fewer hours*, so more people can have jobs and no one has to work 60-80 hour weeks.

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hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
142. Damn straight!
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jul 2015

Unions are the way poor people level the playing field!

JEB could use a good education IMHO.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
135. I posted this in another thread, but it probably belongs here as well.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jul 2015

Bush is ignoring the fact that worker productivity is very, very high relative to wages:



As wages stagnated in the 80's, productivity continued to increase. The difference between worker's productivity and worker's wages translates into profit for the capitalists.

Demanding more productivity from workers without increasing wages does nothing to help the worker, and only increases profits for corporations.

So, to summarize: Fuck you, Jeb.

 

americanrabbit

(27 posts)
137. This could actually work
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jul 2015

if for every hour you worked you earned more per hour than the previous hour.

Hour 1: minimum wage.

By hour 40 you'd be at $47.50 an hour.

Want to work another 40 hours that week? Up to almost $90.

Without that though, your base wage determines the finite amount you can possibly earn, which is still NOT ENOUGH.

Efilroft Sul

(3,573 posts)
143. I'd be happy to get a meaningful job again, but…
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 03:48 PM
Jul 2015

…the job that I was laid off from 14 months ago was one where it was not uncommon to work for weeks at a stretch for the better part of 17 hours a day, no weekends off sometimes, and once through our entire Christmas and New Year's vacations (which were eliminated on the fly). That's the life of a "professional."

Also, I got no extra money for that superlative ass-busting that Jebbie Boy wants from all American workers.

And before anyone asks, yes, I've applied to about 300 other jobs, have gone four to six rounds deep in interviews at some places, and still haven't landed on my feet. The will to work is here, but being taken advantage of again is a non-starter.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
156. good point - in my 60's, I cannot get full time job following recovery from cancer surgery +
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:36 PM
Jul 2015

chemo. All I can get is odd jobs here and there but I'm in a small town and my skills aren't in high demand.

I want to know what Jebbie can do to help me get work, since he thinks I should be working harder.

Efilroft Sul

(3,573 posts)
165. "Talent acquisition" strikes again. Sigh.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jul 2015

Burning through resumes like Snoop through a roomful of blunts are talent acquisition types. These screeners know the salaries of everyone but don't know the value of anybody — and they are a total menace to job seekers everywhere, if only for the fact that they have strung out the interview process to such ridiculous lengths that every wannabe worker-bee has to jump through hoops like someone going for the CEO's slot. Unemployment compensation should be extended by at least three months because of how stretched out the hiring process has become.

If the HR department is stacked with predatory MBAs, these business magicians are capable of pulling only two rabbits out of their hats: 1) Reduce the costs of benefits by any means necessary, and 2) Reduce head count all the time by any means necessary. A third trick is performed by the exceptionally stupid and ruthless during market downturns: Cut the marketing budget, because that's what our competitors are doing. HR is the tail that wags the dog and flings stupid shit.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
146. The problem with Jebs type of thinking is...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jul 2015

... that he only measures success by metrics that affect people at the very top of the food chain. And that's what's so bizarre – the people at the top of the food chain have done very well indeed over the last 30 years.

And while the staggering improvements in American productivity have not been evenly distributed throughout the workforce (i.e.; it still takes X number of chambermaids to clean a motel), productivity gains in manufacturing, engineering and product development, and food production have led the world. And to a large degree precisely because Americans are already working themselves to death.

His comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and reveals a shocking degree of ignorance. I hope this gets spread far and wide.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
152. Maybe Jeb just needs to find some honest work
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jul 2015

By the way, Jeb, I was unaware that American productivity had dropped from new highs to new lows. Did I miss something or did you just make that up?

ion_theory

(235 posts)
159. Finally going to participate
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 06:17 PM
Jul 2015

after a month of lurking on DU. This statement is so dangerous and I hope people realize it. Overhead my boss (Dr. who owns his own practice of 45 employees) was talking about this and pretty much agreed with JOHN Bush word for word. God help us millennials if these neocons keep winning.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
164. Given the number of salaried people, let me add my Fuck You!! to John Ellis.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jul 2015

Since salaried people would gain not one cent from working more hours, Fuck YOU, John Ellis, you self loathing piece of shit. Americans have raised their productivity though your brother's cluster fuck of an administration, despite his two recessions. Where the fuck is this "trickle down" you criminals keep talking about?

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
171. This is much worse than the 47% line.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:41 AM
Jul 2015

This callous and absurd comment has the ability to rile up the average worker on either side of the political spectrum. As countless economists have already pointed out, Americans work their asses off while receiving the fewest benefits and smallest wages of any industrialized nation. If this isn't enough for people to steer away from the GOP, nothing will. Dems should remind people about this every chance they get.

I_Like_Hammers

(30 posts)
172. Completely. Effing. CLUELESS.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jul 2015

Hooo boy... This is so tiresome. Basically EVERYONE I know already works themselves literally to near-death as it is, for extremely paltry amounts of money, and they'll be the FIRST to proudly announce their agreement with Jeb. You think "liberal" is a dirty word in middle Georgia? Try saying "rest," or "retirement!" And these people VOTE for folks like this!

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