Several Kentucky county clerks refuse to issue marriage licenses following same-sex marriage ruling

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

Source: Lexington Herald-Leader

Defying the law, several county clerks around Kentucky said they won't issue marriage licenses to anyone because of the U.S. Supreme Court's 5-to-4 ruling Friday in favor of a nationwide right to same-sex marriage.

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis said Monday that her Christian beliefs make it impossible for her to give marriage licenses to gay men or lesbians seeking to marry a member of the same sex. Rather than face claims of discrimination, Davis said, her office in Morehead is refusing marriage licenses to all couples until further notice.

"We've not had any applicants yet, but we've had several calls," said Davis, 49, a Democrat who took office in January.

"It's hard, I will tell you that," Davis said. "What has happened is that five lawyers have imposed their personal view of what the definition of marriage should be on the rest of us. And I, as a Christian, have strong views, too. And I know I don't stand alone."



Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/06/29/3923157_some-kentucky-county-clerks-refusing.html?rh=1

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Clerk not issuing marriage licenses

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis says her office will not be issuing any marriage licenses at this time.

She said she made this decision based on her Christian beliefs and because she does not want to discriminate against anyone.

This issue arose after Friday's U.S. Supreme Court ruling invalidating a ban in all 50 states on same sex marriage.

The state Attorney General has been contacted by the county attorney's office for an official opinion.
http://www.themoreheadnews.com/news/clerk-not-issuing-marriage-licenses/article_c5a949f4-1e84-11e5-a671-ef4ed3b4224c.html

[LeftofObama]

1. Time to send in the National Guard!

[uppityperson]

41. That is my thought also.

[ladjf]

66. I think a lone federal marshal could make the arrest.

It's not likely that anyone would shoot a federal official. That,s dangerous and everyone knows it.

[ChiefJusticeIV]

120. Pretty much this

Go in there, threaten arrest and do it if need be. I'm sure they'll change their minds the minute that threat materializes.

[ladjf]

121. Well, maybe two marshals. It would look better. nt

[randys1]

76. Yep, and I want to see it on TV or I will be PISSED

[get the red out]

127. This would be a great reality show

I would like to see it called "Homophobe, YOU'RE FIRED!"

[melm00se]

102. yes!!!

Let's roll the tanks. Airstrikes on local government buildings. Suppressive artillery fire.

Or may be just a couple of federal marshals with a contempt of court warrant to make a couple of arrests.

[hamsterjill]

2. If her religious beliefs prevent her from fulfilling the duties required by her job, then

She needs to find another job. End of story.

[Rhiannon12866]

5. +100!

[CanonRay]

10. I agree

do your job or quit. This isn't really all that hard.

[CherokeeDem]

26. Definitely agree...

this is utterly ridiculous that these clerks can make this decision on their own. Despicable.

[Hepburn]

30. + Infinity...n/t

[Snotcicles]

37. +1,000. nt

[denvine]

45. I totally agree and just sent her an email saying so.

[SheilaT]

61. Same here.

[Cosmocat]

111. BINGO

nm

[daleanime]

129. Hell yes....

[Ilsa]

3. They should resign their jobs.

How would they like it if I, a nurse, refused to treat them if they needed medical or nursing care because I wish the bigots would change or croak?

[LibDemAlways]

4. She needs to look for a new line of work.

If your religious views prevent you from doing your job, you are in the wrong position. Time to move on.

[JI7]

6. She is a democrat

[RufusTFirefly]

12. Yeah. How about that big tent, eh? Welcome, bigots! n/t

[JI7]

18. has more to do with state politics

There are more registered democrats in Kentucky than republican .

But many of them vote republican for president and other higher office like senate.

[sulphurdunn]

14. So was Jefferson Davis

[JI7]

20. yeah many of these are dixiecrats

[sulphurdunn]

32. Yep, it's just

a variant of states' rights disguised as religious conviction.

[snooper2]

108. being ignorant fundie trumps politics

Looks like a Duggar fan to me


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[mrmpa]

7. If you take a government post........

then you follow all laws, regardless of your "personal" beliefs. If you can't follow the law, then you leave office. 2 to 1, this is an elected position & she was sworn in to office and took an oath to follow the law.

When are these "religious" people going to understand that you are either a US resident who has faith, or you are a person of faith who resides in the US who therefore must shed their involvement in the affairs of the US because to them their faith triumphs over American society.

[yourout]

43. +1....time to join the unemployed if you won't do your job.

[RobinA]

113. Interesting Position

you have there. So, "just following orders" is a legitimate argument for doing the atrocious, in your opinion?

[mrmpa]

116. Where'd that come from?

No you follow the law. And don't try to equate this with "just following orders". The oath probably uses the words "to protect the constitution and follow the laws accordingly" or words to that affect.

And where is issuing marriage licenses or how is issuing them "atrocious."

[Dont call me Shirley]

8. One cannot both be a Christian and a Bigot, the two are polar opposites.

[jtuck004]

17. Not true. We have at least 200 million christian bigots, keeping hate alive. And they

are defining "christianity" far better than a one-liner about what they "should" be, eh?

They are living it, and hurting others as they go. And singing together every stinking sunday...

[Dont call me Shirley]

46. They say they are Christian, but they know nothing of his teachings, nor do they practice them.

I can say all I want that I am a Hindu, but until I begin to follow the teachings of a Hindiu, a Hindu I am not.

[jtuck004]

51. Like white folk practice equality, I define it by what people do, not what the salespeople say. n/t

[Dont call me Shirley]

56. That's it. Equality is a basic tenet in the teachings of many religions, including Christianity.

Some people are born with an understanding of equality and others must learn it. It doesn't make a whit of sense to fight learning that basic message of humanity. But too many people do, and today too many churches teach inequality as if it were a teaching of Christ.

[jtuck004]

59. Honestly, I think all people are born seeing each other as equal. It takes the teaching of hate in

our multi-dimensional and creative ways to teach them another path.

But that's ok. We are exceptional.

[Dont call me Shirley]

67. We are all deserving of basic human rights simply because we were born here.

Each of us is exceptional in our own ways. Equality recognizes both of these and is able to share resources and expand personal qualities.

It's individuality and community, not the current individuality vs community.

[jtuck004]

81. Yeah, I know the ideal. And I see jails full of people of color. It's mostly a lie by two-faced

people, a lot of whom are simply too comfortable to confront those who look like them, because it might cost them something.

What it IS is individuality < what it SHOULD be, the only way we will survive, is cooperation and community.

But there are at least a couple hundred million people in this country who would rather see the place burn to the ground rather than change their ways and stop hating. You can beat on them till the cows come home, they will never change. Ever.

And they will teach their kids the same thing.

I could be wrong, however, even in the face of almost incontrovertible evidence. Let me know if we get to cooperating before the earth begins to burn.

[Dont call me Shirley]

100. People refuse to see until they run smack into a crisis, and a huge one is in the making.

So, the optimist I am sees a mass awakening of consciousness.

We are all one race, the human race.

[AlbertCat]

110. I think all people are born seeing each other as equal.

Baloney!

Just take a baby from its mom's arms and hand it to a stranger.



Oh.... and "My god is better than your god" is bigotry. Christianity thrives on it!

[jtuck004]

112. Nothing like putting no thought into a comment. Take a little look at the research

and they are being taught bigotry and hate from the moment mom and dad start fucking.

The kid might know his momma, but that doesn't mean he hates the skin color of other people..

btw - any belief in any god is ignornant magic, as far as I am concerned, so why you threw that in there, I guess is just something between you and your ego,

I won't read anything else you write - not worth the time.

[AlbertCat]

118. Take a little look at the research

I have.

And the "blank slate" theory is defunct. Babies come with all sorts of instincts....one being to be wary of those not part of its "tribe', "group", "family".

Now exactly WHO one is supposed to irrationally hate is most definitely taught as one grows older.

But the default position is to be weary of strangers.


"I won't read anything else you write - not worth the time."

Talk about prejudice!

[EvolveOrConvolve]

72. Who gets to decide which teachings define a "true" christian?

Since there are often contradictions between different parts of the Bible and faith to faith, it seems an impossible task. And unless you have some authority of which I'm not aware, you're probably not the final arbiter of who is and who isn't a "true" christian.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

95. The only "true" Christian was Jesus Christ - and he was a jew!

If you are a bigot, you are not following the teachings of Christ, therefore you are not a "true" Christian - how's that?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

119. Yep, Christ is a terrible example of a non-bigot

Jesus believed that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the veritable Word of God. He said, ‘The Scripture cannot be broken’ (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as ‘the commandment of God’ (Matthew 15:3) and as the ‘Word of God’ (Mark 7:13). He also indicated that it was indestructible: ‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18).

When dealing with the people of his day, whether it was with the disciples or religious rulers, Jesus constantly referred to the Old Testament: ‘Have you not read that which was spoken to you by God?’ (Matthew 22:31); ‘Yea; and have you never read, “Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babes thou has prepared praise for thyself”?’ (Matthew 21:16, citing Psalm 8:2); and ‘Have you not read what David did?’ (Matthew 12:3). Examples could be multiplied to demonstrate that Jesus was conversant with the Old Testament and its content. He quoted from it often and he trusted it totally.

More here: http://www.bethinking.org/bible/q-how-did-jesus-view-the-old-testament

I'm not sure if you've read the Old Testament, but it's full of commandments that are absolutely vile and hateful. According to the Old Testament, it's okay to own slaves, perform ritual sacrifice, forcibly rape young children, and kill one's enemies. I could cite hundreds of instances of "un-Christian" behavior in the Old Testament, books that Christ himself commanded his followers to accept.

So if "Christians" are defined as those that follow Christ's teachings, and Christ noted himself that the Old Testament was true and correct, wouldn't "Christians" then follow the Old Testament? The same Old Testament that is absolutely FILLED with bigotry?

[mr blur]

93. Ah, the old "No True Christian..." defence. Never goes out of style, that one.

Never looks like more than desperate bleating either.

[Dont call me Shirley]

128. Everyone's meaning of what a Christian is is subjective.

Mine, I learned that god and christ are good, kind, loving, healing, helpful to the sick and poor, inclusive, just. That would not be what a Dominionist would believe.

[Act_of_Reparation]

132. Even if that were true--

--which it isn't, by the way--religions are more than just the words written down in their foundational documents. They are cultural constructs that have shifted in so many variable directions over time and geography that it is impossible to define them in propositional terms.

You can't just look at the holy books. You also have to look at what those who profess membership in these religions profess to believe, and how those who profess membership in these religions actually behave. You don't to get to strike millions of people from the Christianity Roster because they don't behave like you think they should.

And, incidentally, "Hinduism" isn't a centralized, dogmatic religion. There are no "teachings" for you to follow.

[Hepburn]

34. Talk to the asshat Roman Catholic POS that lives next door to me

She goes to mass and puts religious shit all over her house, but whispers to me, a Wiccan, that her god is better than mine. My reply? "Which one?"

She is a piece of work of the wrong ilk. IMO

[Dont call me Shirley]

50. A false Christian? Her actions scream look at me, not at what I do. Christianity requires

sacrificing the ego-centric self, something of which your neighbor does not know.

[Hepburn]

57. She is a real piece of work.

In all the many, many year I have had neighbors, she is the only one I have had problems with.

Yeah, ego centric is the least of it. She is just plain mean and nasty. If new people move in, she goes to them and tells them that I put spells on people and am evil and they need to stay away from me. That has not worked will with the last few new neighbors -- one told her I sounded "fascinating" and she could not wait to meet me and then asked if I charged for the spells! LOL

[Dont call me Shirley]

60. LOL. It's easy to spot a gossip-monger.

Hey, I need a few good spells

[Hepburn]

68. Send $25K in unmarked bills and...

...I will turn the announced Repuke candidates into clowns.

Oh, wait....too late! Someone else got them first!

[Lordquinton]

74. This just in: the pope isn't catholic

Back to not Shirley, any comment?

[Dont call me Shirley]

125. I wasn't raised a Catholic, so of that I do not know.

[Rob H.]

117. Google "Southern Baptist Church origins"

That church came into being because it supported slavery when many mainline Baptist churches didn't, and it took until 1995--130 years after the end of the Civil War--for them to apologize for supporting slavery. They also opposed the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s, and had to apologize for that, too. They've since made strides in increasing minority membership, but the SBC still preaches against the LGBT community today, not to mention their continuing regressive, sexist attitudes toward women.

"Polar opposites." Good one!

[Dont call me Shirley]

124. SBs are crazy-makers.

[CanonRay]

9. So resign, Jackass

Do the job you're paid for, or resign. Period.

[surrealAmerican]

11. If she has ever issued a license for a couple ...

... that is not Christian - or where one party is and one isn't - she has no case here, only bigotry.

[denbot]

13. They should take the advise of their Demi-God Reagan

And vote with their feet.

[Solly Mack]

15. Fire the bigot.

By her own words she is disregarding the law of the land and opting to impose her religious beliefs on others. Yet she whines that the SCOTUS is somehow little more than 5 lawyers imposing their will on those who believe as she believes.

So, to her thinking, it's OK to force her religious beliefs on others but it's not OK for the law of the land to apply to her - and not even to her personally - but only in the capacity of her work.

They need to fire this idiot since the obvious solution (quit your job, ass-wipe) to her personal problem (bigotry) hasn't occurred to her yet.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

96. She's such a moron she thinks she has some right to discriminate on behalf of her fairy tale

She really thinks she will be able to keep her job and some legal victory will come her way. If I was her boss I'd give her an ultimatum : Do your job or YOU'RE FIRED!!

[Solly Mack]

115. Many do think that.

Sadly.

[HooptieWagon]

16. Arrest her.

[olddad56]

19. come on, this is Kentucky. So you can marry your sister but not your brother?

[jmowreader]

44. No, no...second cousins are the closest relatives you can marry in Kentucky

[ancianita]

21. Attempts to impose theocracy on democracy are happening everywhere. Clerks need to wise up

and realize that a marriage license is certifying JOINT LEGAL STANDING with the state. It's not an endorsement by the clerk's RELIGION.

One wonders what brain capacity these people have to even get these jobs if they can't interpret their official responsibilities. They are in no position to confer permission. They are public servants.

This is not a morality test, and if it were, they sound as if they'd be hard pressed to answer the question, "What would Jesus do."

Bottom line: They should do their jobs. If they won't they should be given final warning from their superiors, on penalty of immediate dismissal for an ethics violation, whether theirs is an appointed or elected position.

[avebury]

69. "One wonders what brain capacity these people have to even get these jobs"

The problem is that they don't have a functioning brain capacity.

[awoke_in_2003]

79. That question wouldn't have been asked

if they ever have had to deal with public servants.

[ancianita]

84. What question are you referring to, because I didn't ask any.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

97. And he didn't reply to you, either.

[ancianita]

114. Okay.

[asjr]

22. Okay! It is time for the ones applying for a license to

sue the pants off of her. This gets to be more and more stupid when people like her say it is against their religion. Her Christian beliefs are giving Christianity a really foul name. If her religion is interfering with her job she should quit and become a nun.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

98. She's in a secular position. Why is she bringing her personal religion into her job? I say can her!

[sulphurdunn]

23. So, the old Confederate doctrine

of states' rights nullification is reborn in the guise of individual religious liberty. It shouldn't come as any surprise to anyone anymore than the fact that the Stars and Bars still flies on the grounds of the South Carolina State Capitol.

[Journeyman]

24. Similar reactions probably occurred in the wake of "Loving." I suspect some is for show. . .

those who have to "prove" to the neighbors how righteous and indignant they are. They'll quickly fold. And there's a portion who will "hold fast" to their convictions until the boss tells them to move their ass or lose their assets. And then there are the hardcores. Those may need to be pulled into court. And as there's now Supreme Court precedent, they won't last long before they're forced to a final decision.

Regrettable, but they're merely bumps in the road at this juncture.

[herding cats]

25. What if a judge decided not to recognize a divorce because it was against their religious belief?

It's not one bit different. If you're a government employee you give up a portion of your 1st Amendment rights while on the job because you're employed by the government, which is legally bound to act in accordance with the laws of country.

[JDPriestly]

42. So true. A very religious friend of mine was very upset because she had filed for divorce.

It was utterly necessary for her to file. I explained to her that marriage and divorce are legal transitions, but that for a religious person, the spiritual marriage remains even after a divorce.

The license you get from the clerk's office or the judge has no religious significance. It signifies a transition in your legal status from single to married.

The problem prior to this Supreme Court decision was that LGBT couples lived in a state of spiritual marriage (that is of love and dedication to each other) but did not enjoy the legal status that their existing marriage would have brought with it had they been able to get a license.

I've been married a long, long, long time to the same person, so I think I can talk about a spiritual marriage. It's what makes the husband go out of his way to take care of his wife even when she is being obnoxious (I'm the wife) and same for the wife when the husband is being his usual difficult self and then the two of you laugh. It's what makes you feel such joy when your spouse is happy and doing well.

The legal aspects of marriage? That's when you file your income tax and buy insurance together, maybe buy your house in a form that recognizes your marital status, getting credit, visiting in the hospital, etc.

Now if the clerk in Kentucky were asked to issue a license for a Muslim couple or, assuming she is Protestant, a Catholic couple, would her religious affiliation interfere with her ability to issue the license?

[Yo_Mama]

85. So well written. n/t

[smirkymonkey]

86. +1000

[tomm2thumbs]

71. exactly - and well put

I wonder what her employment oath says -- or does she like to edit signed employment documents to fit her particular needs?

[RKP5637]

27. Time for her to find a new job where she can practice her fake christian views! n/t

[Helen Borg]

28. I'd say...

There are plenty of people who would take their jobs!

[Hepburn]

29. My email to these asshats:

I am Wiccan. Since your religious beliefs frown on mine, would you refuse to issue a marriage license to me?

The 1st Amendment re Religious rights guarantees both FREEDOM FROM and FREEDOM TO religion. Those who you are discriminating against have a right to FREEDOM FROM your views. PERIOD. I hope to heck you are arrested and criminally charged. Knowing of and having seen your ilk since the 1960s, this is most likely when you will call on the ACLU to protect YOUR religious freedom. Any other time, you would not cross the street to spit on an ACLU attorney if he/she were one fire.

You are bigots and anti-American. EVERYONE is entitled to religious freedoms and NOT just to those persons with whom you agree. You feel you are being discriminated against because YOU believe marriage is one man and one woman? Get over yourselves. One can "marry" paint, flavors of spices in cooking, etc. Your views on marriage are no better than any other use of the word "marry" or "marriage." You are not superior to any other American and you have no better rights and have no legal authority upon which you base your refusal to issue marriage licenses.

BTW: I am an old white, straight widow lady...nearly 70 years of age...and I find you offensive to true American ideals. The colonists came here primarily to escape religious bigotry and persecution. This is, IMO, exactly what you wish to impose on others hundreds of years after the founders of this nation came to escape from zealots just like you and your ilk.

Sign me,

Personally Disgusted

Fuck them...

[riversedge]

35. great.

[Hepburn]

39. Thanks...

...I was around when Loving v. Va was decided...I see no difference with the Loving case and same-sex marriage. Bigots no matter if it's race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or whatever, are still bigots and will somehow find something in their Buy-Bull to support how they are not bigots, but merely Christian.

[underpants]

31. How about if the are 14 years old?

It's KENTUCKY!

[Hepburn]

36. Yeah, a 12 year old who is pregnant because her father raped her...

...cannot get an abortion, but two adults of the same sex who want to marry are refused a license?

Go figure...

[jmowreader]

53. I looked up the KY marriage law.

http://ag.ky.gov/civil/documents/kentuckymarriagelaw.pdf

This is out of date now that the Supremes have legalized same-sex marriage nationwide, but the Kentucky marriage law says:

No first cousin or closer-relative marriages.

No marriages to persons adjudged "mentally disabled."

No marrying someone who's married to someone else.

This from the county clerk's guide: "Marriage when not solemnized or contracted in the presence of an authorized person or society is prohibited and void under KRS 402.020(1)(c). However, see KRS 402.070 stating that no marriage solemnized before a person professing to have authority to perform marriages shall be invalid for the lack of such authority if it is consummated with the belief of either or both of the parties that the person had such authority." (IOW the old joke about your grandparents living in sin for 70 years because the courts found out Marryin' Sam didn't have marryin' authority even though he said he did, can't happen in Kentucky.)

No plural marriages.

Age of consent is 18, persons between 16 and 18 can be married with parental consent, pregnant persons under 16 can be married with a judge's consent.

Proxy marriages are not allowed - in Kentucky, the five statutorily-required persons, namely the couple being married, the officiant, and the two witnesses, must be in the same place at the same time.

Common-law marriages may not be entered into in Kentucky, but common-law marriages from other states are recognized.

[procon]

33. If she has the same attitude toward murders, rapists and eaters of shellfish,

she must not get much work done on the taxpayer's dime. Sounds like a great job... if you can keep a straight face.

[on point]

38. Fire her for failure to carry out her govt job. She can oppose it in church if she wants

[still_one]

40. Separation of church and state. They have a problem with that, they need to be replaced.

[cstanleytech]

47. Well if they want to flush that revenue down the toilet so be it. nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

48. Hang the bastards!!

[neverforget]

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[Elmer S. E. Dump]

55. I hope you will all pardon my french...

UNbeFUCKINGlievable!

[Renew Deal]

49. They should be fired and replaced with people willing to do the job.

[peacebird]

54. Christian? How about following Romans 13?

Submission to Governing Authorities
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

[IronLionZion]

58. So gays are not the ones destroying marriage

it's assholes like this.

[Beartracks]

62. OMG, her reasoning! Basically goes like this...

"These 5 lawyers (now that's a buzzword with negative connotations right there!)... have imposed their view on the rest of us (wow, no one else in America thinks like these 5 Justices?)... but as a Christian I have strong rights, too... (i.e. I want to impose MY rights on others)... and I'm not alone (cuz larger numbers of us make us more right)."

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[sadoldgirl]

63. Unless the governor has declared

that they are legally allowed to do this,

it is a clear case of dereliction of duty.

She should be fired.

[drm604]

64. I think I've seen this show before.

Back in the 50s and 60s. It's a repeat of the same story, except then it was black and white, and now it's rainbow colored. It's the same story, and it will turn out the same way. The people on the wrong side of history will lose once again.

[kentuck]

65. It's another civil war.

<snip from the article>:

Montgomery County Clerk Chris Cockrell, though, said he isn't prepared to change his own definition of marriage so quickly.

"I have suspended all marriage licenses until I can get legal counsel," Cockrell said. "Nobody had even read the whole court ruling yet — it was, like, 109 pages — when the governor was sending us a letter saying, 'Go, go, go!' Well, a lot of us still have questions."

[TexasTowelie]

73. Whoa there buddy.

It might take 3 hours to read the entire ruling, but this county clerk is unable to take the time (including over the weekend) to read a court decision that affects his job. He should be fired for that reason alone. Talk about a sorry excuse.

[Geronimoe]

70. The Clerks are not performing a wedding ceremony!

All they should be doing is what any computer could do.... fill out this freakin' form.

Freedom of religion means you don't get force your stupid beliefs on others.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

99. tHEY ARE NOT EVEN DOING THAT - THEY ARE JUST PROVIDING THE FORM FOR THEM TO FILL OUT

dAMN CAPS lOCK!

[Skittles]

75. she needs to be fired

she is refusing to do her job

[onecaliberal]

77. They should be summarily fired for refusing to do their job.

[project_bluebook]

78. Simple solution

fire their asses and hire a public servant who can follow the law.

[Botany]

80. Attn Kim Davis

You are at your job not your church and if you can't follow the law becasue of your
"Christian beliefs" then quit. Plenty of people in Rowan County, KY will be happy to
have your job and your pay and benefits too.

http://rowancountyclerk.com/

As county clerk I am responsible for providing many services to the people of Rowan county. These duties include general categories of clerical duties of the fiscal court: issuing and registering, recording and keeping various legal records, registering and purging voter rolls, and conducting election duties and tax duties.

Our office is here to serve the public in a friendly, professional and efficient manner. We are constantly striving to upgrade our services in order to better serve you. This website is our most recent attempt to better serve the people of Rowan county. Here you will find contact information, important forms and documents, land and legal records, and much more. Feel free to contact us via phone or fax during business hours, or use our convenient contact form and someone will get back to you as soon as possible.

Thanks,
Kim Davis
Rowan County Clerk

[K lib]

88. This is obviously not true.

Our office is here to serve the public in a friendly, professional and efficient manner.

[Botany]

90. I went college in S.E. Ohio and I have spent time in rural OH, KY, and WV

The red neck/dumb ass/fundy thoughts run strong in the area but one thing is much
stronger and that is getting and having a decent job. I guarantee that Ms. Davis' job
would be much sought after in a rural county in KY.

I am willing to bet that Ms. Davis has a change of heart in 24 hours.


K lib

[SamKnause]

82. 'I'm a Christian.

As a Christian.

I'm a Christian.

As a Christian.'

I am so sick and tired of hearing this tripe.

I don't care what your religion is.

I don't care if you have a religion.

I believe in Separation of Church and State.

If you are refusing to do your job, if you are ignoring

the law, you should be fired.

[TNNurse]

83. Absolutely

If you do not do your job....you get fired.

This is easy.

[Android3.14]

87. There's no need for the national guard

Remove her from office and replace her with someone who will do the job.

[K lib]

89. From the article posted they are breaking the law

"It's a Class A misdemeanor in Kentucky — first-degree official misconduct — if "a public servant ... refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him by law or clearly inherent in the nature of his office."

[silvershadow]

91. And yet it is a job requirement. Perhaps she needs to choose another line of work.

Marriage licenses by definition have no religious beliefs.

[mnhtnbb]

92. Don't be surprised if the KY State Legislature decides to follow NC on this one.

These bigots--who cry and fume and carry on about "big gubmint"-- can hardly wait
to tailor some specific legislation exempting people who don't want to follow the law, especially
if they cite their religious beliefs as the reason.

The damn legislature here in NC did just that with this issue. The Governor actually vetoed it (but
he knew he was safe in doing so) and the legislature overrode the veto.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/us/north-carolina-allows-officials-to-refuse-to-perform-gay-marriages.html?_r=0


Every one of these people who refuse to do their government jobs should be fired, IMO. And if someone up the ladder
has the authority (beyond their immediate supervisor, if s(he) won't do it because of agreeing) should fire the person.

The problem is that this refusal to acknowledge the duly constituted government in this country seems to be a tinderbox
just waiting to explode. The right wing media has fueled this crap, along with right wing officials like Cruz, Huckabee, etc.
It scares me. Really scares me, because these people are so self-righteous, full of hatred, and armed to the teeth.
They are religious zealots and just as scary as some of the ones from other parts of the world determined to impose
their will on others.

It's one of the reason my husband and I are leaving this weekend to explore fully retiring to an island with governmental
connections to the Netherlands. We did this--only looking at Panama--in 2005 after Bush stole his second election. Because
of one thing and another with that project--financial and labor problems--that delayed the home we were building in a development in Bocas del Toro (Caribbean side of Panama) eventually our whole plan blew up when our house here in NC burned down in 2007 and
the Panama house was still tied up with problems. So, we gave up.

But in the last year I have been increasingly anxious--especially since the right wing took over NC in 2012 and have proceeded
to really destroy so much of what was different and good about NC compared to other southern states. NC really was progressive. Not any more. Koch brother followers have taken over. And the view from here is NOT good. Although I think Roy Cooper--a good and real Dem--will win the governorship in 2016 --I am doubtful the Dems can seize control of the Legislature unless some very fast redistricting is done before the election. Not only have the Repubs gerrymandered districts, they have instituted gov. photo ID
voting, too, and are probably actively doing everything possible to remove eligible voters from the roles.

It ain't purty, here, folks. It's downright ugly, and in spite of the SCOTUS ruling on marriage equality, I think these right wing folks
are going to dig in and make it uglier.

[Darb]

104. The lawsuits will bring them around.

Way too expensive to bother with an opinion that will lose in court every time.

[mnhtnbb]

105. Hope you're right.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

94. Fuck your Christian beliefs you dumb ass

Do your fucking job, or quit (or hopefully be fired).

[AlbertCat]

122. Do your fucking job, or quit

Maybe he can get a job a Chick-fil-a

[RKP5637]

101. Easy solution, go get another fucken job where your bigotry and

homophobia is welcomed along with your obnoxious stupidity.

[Darb]

103. They are treading on thin ice. That "no marriage licenses" at all canard

is gonna give at some point, and if they give licenses to heteros and make LGBT folks jump through extra hoops those counties are gonna pay big settlements.

I, for one, cannot wait.

[JCMach1]

106. You know lions, Christians... whatever...

WIMPS!

They need to suck it up, or quit.

[yellowcanine]

107. "five lawyers" I am getting sick of this crap. They are SCOTUS Justices first.

They don't even have to be lawyers, in case she hasn't noticed.

[TexasBushwhacker]

109. Most Christians are okay with marriage equality

You can believe that same sex marriages shouldn't be performed in your church but still accept that they are LEGAL.

Justice Kennedy - Christian (Roman Catholic)

Justice Sotomayor - Christian (Roman Catholic)

Justice Bader Ginsburg - Jewish

Justice Breyer - Jewish

Justice Kagan - Jewish

5 people of faith.

Oddly enough, all the dissenters are Catholic. We don't currently have any Protestants on the court.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

123. Just gave her a piece of my mind!

[get the red out]

126. Sounds like it's time for updating resumes

These people would obviously be more comfortable working for Church rather than State (county); they should be immediately assisted in the first part of the transition.

[Sparhawk60]

130. I Wish The Clerks Well

And good luck in their job search. Maybe they can get jobs at the hardware store that doesn't serve gays? Until the store goes out of business that is. lol

[PersonNumber503602]

131. Seems like there is an easy fix to this whole thing...

find a new job