Fri May 4, 2012, 03:15 AM
alp227 (20,397 posts)
Japan’s Leaders Fret as Nuclear Shutdown Nears
Source: New York Times
Barring an unexpected turnaround, Japan on Saturday will become a nuclear-free nation for the first time in more than four decades, at least temporarily. Japan’s leaders have made increasingly desperate attempts in recent months to avoid just such a scenario, trying to restart plants shut for routine maintenance and kept that way while they tried to convince a skittish public that the reactors were safe in the wake of last year’s nuclear catastrophe. But the government has run up against a crippling public distrust that recently found a powerful voice in local leaders who are orchestrating a rare challenge to Tokyo’s centralized power. As the last of 50 functional commercial reactors is set to go offline Saturday, that local resistance to turning plants back on has confronted Japan’s leaders with a grim scenario: with the nation’s once vaunted balance of trade already deteriorating, they now face the looming prospect of summer power shortages that could drive still more factories to close or move abroad. Halting all the reactors “would be something like a group suicide,” said Yoshito Sengoku, acting chief of the governing Democratic Party’s policy committee. Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/world/asia/japans-leaders-fret-as-nuclear-shutdown-nears.html?pagewanted=all
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12 replies, 2134 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| alp227 | May 2012 | OP | |
| truthisfreedom | May 2012 | #1 | |
| obxhead | May 2012 | #2 | |
| Art_from_Ark | May 2012 | #4 | |
| obxhead | May 2012 | #5 | |
| Art_from_Ark | May 2012 | #10 | |
| Nihil | May 2012 | #12 | |
| Art_from_Ark | May 2012 | #3 | |
| AndyTiedye | May 2012 | #6 | |
| drm604 | May 2012 | #7 | |
| solarman350 | May 2012 | #8 | |
| Art_from_Ark | May 2012 | #11 | |
| stonecutter357 | May 2012 | #9 |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri May 4, 2012, 04:33 AM
truthisfreedom (17,674 posts)
1. Hmm. This doesn't look good. Hard to believe they've shut down all 50 functional reactors in their
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country.
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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #1)
Fri May 4, 2012, 06:12 AM
obxhead (7,152 posts)
2. The only reason it doesn't look good
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is because they have no alternative.
I feel all nuke plants should be shut down, but you must have something else in place. I feel bad for all of Japan as they deal with this crisis that has global implications. |
Response to obxhead (Reply #2)
Fri May 4, 2012, 06:32 AM
Art_from_Ark (16,883 posts)
4. There are some alternatives
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On the positive side:
1) More conservation campaigns, like the ones that helped Japan cope with last year's power shortages. For example, reduced lighting last year on The Ginza, a section of Tokyo which is usually lit up like a mini-Las Vegas, helped to conserve a tremendous amount of electricity, as did half-lighting in offices and stores throughout eastern Japan. 2) More emphasis on alternative energy sources, including installation of solar panels and collectors on houses and other buildings. 3) Wider use of even more energy-efficient machines and appliances On the negative side: 1) Greater use of fossil fuels to produce electricity, which means not only production of more CO2 and NOx, but also increases Japan's need to compete against other countries like China for coal, gas, and petroleum resources. |
Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #4)
Fri May 4, 2012, 06:44 AM
obxhead (7,152 posts)
5. I somewhat agree.
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Of course there are ways to deal with power shortages. We've done so in here in the US, one of the greediest power consumers in the world.
However, a sudden total shutdown of every nuke plant is HUGE. Simply turning off an extra light or tv for a few hours won't solve the dilemma of a serious power production shutdown. Again, I think all nuke plants world wide (and I live 4 miles away from one) should be shut down, but Japan must be facing one hell of a dilemma. Alternatives are available, but they take time to construct. It must be done (globally) for all of us, but a scheduled replace/shutdown is a little different than what Japan is going through right now. If only they never would have built the damn things (with our support) in the first place . |
Response to obxhead (Reply #5)
Sun May 6, 2012, 03:26 AM
Art_from_Ark (16,883 posts)
10. We're dealing with it right now
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All the nukes are now shut off, and most have been off-line for several months, but we still have electric power here in Japan. You don't seem to realize the effect that a concerted conservation campaign can have on making sure that there are no blackouts. In last year's campaign, for example, it wasn't just a few people turning off a couple of lights-- individuals made a serious effort to turn off all electric appliances that were not in use, and paid close attention to notices posted by TEPCO about the region's generating capacity versus demand. But it didn't stop there-- major electricity consumers like stores and offices went to half lighting, and the biggest user of electric power in Japan, the JR railway system, even altered its timetables to reduce the number of trains that would be running during peak electrical demand.
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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #10)
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:43 AM
Nihil (11,227 posts)
12. To be fair, I think that is something that the US media in particular have been hushing up ...
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> You don't seem to realize the effect that a concerted conservation campaign
> can have on making sure that there are no blackouts. That one sentence scares the crap out of the US utilities and, consequently, out of their tame politicians and media outlets. "Conservation" is one c-word that should be broadcast far & wide. The fact that a technologically advanced population have been able to achieve a major conservation programme without somehow retreating to the Dark Ages is just too frightening for the "Consume! Consume! Consume!" folks. |
Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #1)
Fri May 4, 2012, 06:23 AM
Art_from_Ark (16,883 posts)
3. Officially, there is still one unit operating in Japan
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However, it is going to be taken off-line tomorrow.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri May 4, 2012, 07:44 AM
AndyTiedye (22,973 posts)
6. Japan's People Don't Trust their "Leaders" BECAUSE THEIR TRUST WAS BETRAYED
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Last edited Fri May 4, 2012, 07:45 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Why should the people trust their government after all the assurances that nuclear power is safe, when it obviously isn't, and when neither the government nor the power companies were at all prepared to deal with an all too predictable disaster.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri May 4, 2012, 07:47 AM
drm604 (13,961 posts)
7. 49 of 50 are already shut down
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Last edited Fri May 4, 2012, 07:48 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) and the country still seems to be functioning. Am I missing something? Are there blackouts that I'm not aware of? Is that 50th the straw that will break the camel's back?
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri May 4, 2012, 08:48 AM
solarman350 (136 posts)
8. Japan Has Other Electric Power Options
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Last edited Fri May 4, 2012, 09:02 AM USA/ET - Edit history (3) I found a list here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Japan#Nuclear It appears that "austerity measures" and a heavier use of fossil fuels is the path Japan will take if they persist in a non-nuclear power policy. Germany is watching to see if their own plan to go non-nuclear by 2050 is a sound decision...as they rush into the sickening arms of the fossil fuel industry. Thermonuclear Fusion Reactor technology might be commercially available by then (2050). That's the hope of some at least. |
Response to solarman350 (Reply #8)
Sun May 6, 2012, 04:43 AM
Art_from_Ark (16,883 posts)
11. That list doesn't even include the 200+ generating stations
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that produce electricity by burning garbage.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri May 4, 2012, 09:32 AM
stonecutter357 (249 posts)
9. all nuke plants should be shut down.
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