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kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:46 AM May 2015

Sanders packs gym, stairwells in Iowa City

Source: Burlington Free Press

IOWA CITY, Iowa – An estimated 1,100 people turned out to hear Bernie Sanders speak on the final day of his three-day campaign tour to the state.

Thea Pettitt, holding baby Lilith, stood among the crowd that spilled out of the gym in a downtown recreation center, appropriately abutting Burlington Street. Lilith sported a tiny T-shirt printed with the face of the Vermont senato

Read more: http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/30/sanders-packs-gym-stairwells-iowa-city/28225133/

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Sanders packs gym, stairwells in Iowa City (Original Post) kenfrequed May 2015 OP
And Hillary will pack MUCH larger venues... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #1
Give it time kenfrequed May 2015 #2
Time is NOT on your side I am afraid... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #3
Senator Sanders is a good, human man. ananda May 2015 #38
No question about his cred as a human VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #40
Bernie will win this one madokie May 2015 #54
Pffft! Enthusiast May 2015 #73
That's where you're wrong - Hillary is not left liberal. Carewfan May 2015 #121
The graph you posted is from 2008 The one above it is from Dec 2014. 4lbs May 2015 #131
Ouch! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #136
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #141
So she evolved.... CANDO Jun 2015 #145
Evolved = Agrees with Obama. He changed her mind and she'll continue and expand his policies. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #151
Cool! I LOVE Chinese Checkers! hatrack Jun 2015 #155
Have you lived in Iowa. Eastern Iowas is not the Steven King district. Most of the colleges, uinions jwirr May 2015 #41
I have lived in South Carolina... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #42
Let me tell you Iowa is absolutely nothing like South Carolina. jwirr May 2015 #57
:>))))) pangaia May 2015 #68
South Carolina and Iowa are nothing alike. ForgoTheConsequence May 2015 #96
That's correct. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #49
ooppssiee pangaia May 2015 #69
... Enthusiast May 2015 #74
hillary yikes1 May 2015 #65
Are you a 'democrat'? chknltl May 2015 #91
OK, after our little tete a tete last night, pangaia May 2015 #66
The hysterical thing about that comment, that Bernie is not a real Democrat NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #102
"Bernie is exactly what a real Democrat would be" Triana May 2015 #107
A bit late replying, but HEAR HEAR !!!! pangaia Jun 2015 #157
Whoa! Chi Chi! Carewfan May 2015 #122
Or on your side either--gone until July 19. n/t QC May 2015 #108
What does that mean? Carewfan May 2015 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #133
That was fast arcane1 Jun 2015 #152
Most REAL Democrats these days are bought and paid for... CoffeeCat May 2015 #112
Who really cares if he is not a Democrat INdemo May 2015 #113
wtf Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #132
Funny that.... CANDO Jun 2015 #146
He caucuses with the Democrats as the sole Senator in the CPC. Everything he says fits our platform. freshwest Jun 2015 #150
Time for the press to ignore or marginalize Sanders johnfunk May 2015 #4
well the rest of the party will ignore him once there are even MORE real Democrats VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #7
Democrats don't like being dictated too kenfrequed May 2015 #12
No you are right about that....THEY don't and HE is NOT one of them VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #13
I am sorry you feel that way. kenfrequed May 2015 #15
Don't feel sorry for me.....I vote for the Democrat...and HE said he is not one.. VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #17
And if he wins the nomination? kenfrequed May 2015 #18
notice there is no response. Karma13612 May 2015 #22
Wrong....I was busy with another post... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #44
then I vote for him....BUT.....his chances of winning the General are slim and none VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #25
Well kenfrequed May 2015 #34
tenuous at best VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #46
So do you think we should do away with the primary system? If you think the A Simple Game May 2015 #63
You should work on counting to 270. jeff47 May 2015 #92
I really feel sorry that RoccoR5955 May 2015 #23
No I cannot BECAUSE he is a LONG shot to win the General by ANY stretch of the imagination.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #28
Uhm... source? kenfrequed May 2015 #35
Easy Peasy VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #36
Heh... kenfrequed May 2015 #45
this has been going on for years.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #48
Eh... have you looked into this deeper? kenfrequed May 2015 #53
Or just plain junk. Enthusiast May 2015 #75
Go Free Market SalviaBlue May 2015 #67
pfft progressoid May 2015 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #124
Of course she is ahead. Name recognition. But with the recognition comes all of the baggage. jwirr May 2015 #51
OMG!!!!!! pangaia May 2015 #70
Dead meat I tells ya! Enthusiast May 2015 #76
We often allow the odds to outweigh our convictions. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #149
I am older - this man sounds more like Democrats I grew up with than rurallib May 2015 #103
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #142
I'm with you, Ken & I don't need a 1%er to be my flag bearer wordpix May 2015 #20
So was FDR a 1%er? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #29
Times have changed. The people hate business a usual today and they blame the rich and those jwirr May 2015 #52
And justifiably so. Enthusiast May 2015 #77
Yes, the hatred is justified. jwirr May 2015 #80
yes there are a few 1%ers who are decent people wordpix May 2015 #97
Bernie Sanders is not an Insider. Senator Warren said she is not an Insider. DhhD May 2015 #26
what makes one an "insider" VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #30
A candidate or President that would be fine with a CEO on Wall Street, no matter his or her party. DhhD May 2015 #59
Not being an Insider. DhhD May 2015 #33
again what is? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #37
All your graph shows is that a left liberal can be an insider. Sgt Preston May 2015 #86
bwahahahaha cali May 2015 #117
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #125
Awesome! MORE Chinese Checkers! hatrack Jun 2015 #156
"real Democrats"????? heaven05 May 2015 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo May 2015 #64
What are you calling a real Democrat. Is Obama a real Democrat.Hell no he isn't INdemo May 2015 #114
lol it's delicious watching you freak out cali May 2015 #116
We will know he is a player when they come after him Cosmocat May 2015 #100
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #126
Ok Cosmocat Jun 2015 #137
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #143
Bernie's doing it now! Proof he's too big for Iowa retail politics! Bernie Sanders is flying! TheNutcracker May 2015 #50
Give it time? workinclasszero May 2015 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #127
I went to her website to check her schedule. bluedigger May 2015 #5
June 13... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #9
What about it? bluedigger May 2015 #10
That is the date you were looking for.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #11
You're wasting your time cosmicone May 2015 #55
There is so much dishonesty in this post that I don't even know where to start with it. Scootaloo May 2015 #62
Start here. "confiscatory and anti-entrepreneurial wealth distribution candidates" Enthusiast May 2015 #82
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #129
We don't have loonies running for president. pangaia May 2015 #71
Dostoyevsky. Never mind, he's on roll. pa28 May 2015 #99
Thanks for that shot of reality workinclasszero May 2015 #95
Frankly kenfrequed May 2015 #109
I guess that could happen as well workinclasszero May 2015 #110
To be honest kenfrequed May 2015 #111
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #130
funniest,looniest du post EVAH! cali May 2015 #118
Dostoyevsky was a writer. LuvNewcastle Jun 2015 #135
I'm dying over here n/t Scootaloo Jun 2015 #139
Couldn't believe it when I read it. LuvNewcastle Jun 2015 #140
How about Boris Badenov? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #148
That's a good one to pick. LuvNewcastle Jun 2015 #154
If you click on the Hilary logo right below where it is asking for email it takes you right in ToxMarz May 2015 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #128
Yeah, what's up with that? That turned me off. azmom Jun 2015 #153
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on his rally rpannier May 2015 #6
Man, chill out! babylonsister May 2015 #21
Not a man..... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #32
I don't care what you are. This post was not babylonsister May 2015 #104
It just kills you.... daleanime May 2015 #58
"My paw can lick YOUR paw!" Scootaloo May 2015 #61
:>)))))))))))) pangaia May 2015 #72
I would expect that Hillary Clinton "will pack MUCH larger venues" than Bernie Sanders. democrank May 2015 #83
No doubt workinclasszero May 2015 #87
Then why isn't she? jeff47 May 2015 #90
Like this one.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #134
If people will come to hear Bernie, great.. mountain grammy May 2015 #8
+1 daleanime May 2015 #60
+1 merrily May 2015 #78
+1. Rossi Jun 2015 #144
Great to see this turnout. Thanks. *Will you x-post in the Bernie Sanders Group? Or I can appalachiablue May 2015 #14
Please post it there! kenfrequed May 2015 #16
Ok great, thanks! Bernie's on MTP (Meet the Press) in a few. Folks here have a game appalachiablue May 2015 #19
thanks heaven05 May 2015 #31
Same, haven't watched Meet the Republicans in several years. Bernie will be good. appalachiablue May 2015 #39
I am beginning heaven05 May 2015 #27
Very good, the more you see him the clearer his views are. And at this point, he appalachiablue May 2015 #47
WHEN, I listened to heaven05 May 2015 #56
I like him Cosmocat May 2015 #101
true heaven05 May 2015 #119
Good for u Cosmocat Jun 2015 #138
Give 'em hell, Bernie! merrily May 2015 #79
BERNIE!!! AzDar May 2015 #81
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #84
Had me going HassleCat May 2015 #85
kick midnight May 2015 #89
Go Bernie Go! SoapBox May 2015 #93
A rose by any other name Boomer May 2015 #98
My favorite candidate in my favorite old college town I lived in... cascadiance May 2015 #105
Article notes that Iowa City had the highest poverty level (28%) of any Iowa town on his trip... cascadiance May 2015 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #115
+1000 heaven05 May 2015 #120
I like Bernie, but here is a critique of his politics from the left. Beauregard Jun 2015 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author cascadiance Jan 2016 #158

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
2. Give it time
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:54 AM
May 2015

People are going to start thinking more about their options as time goes on. Hillary is no longer the only game in town and there will be a lot of movement of support now that other people are actually running.

Sander's differentiates himself from other candidates in the way he talks about issues. He discusses what policies he supports and how and why and spares us a lot of the typical platitudes we tend to hear. He sounds unpolished, off-the-cuff, and sincere and people and that has a surprising appeal to a lot of people. In a debate that is actually going to score him a lot of points over vague suggestions and sound-bites.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
3. Time is NOT on your side I am afraid...
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:57 AM
May 2015

and Bernie is NOT a real Democrat....and more and more Democrats will be aware of that...

ananda

(28,835 posts)
38. Senator Sanders is a good, human man.
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:40 AM
May 2015

He can think about the poor and the economy in a way
that many candidates cannot.

His campaign will never be about money or the rich.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
40. No question about his cred as a human
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:42 AM
May 2015

it doesnt mean everyone else in the election are not equally good...

Nor will ANY Democrats campaign be about money or the rich....sorry to disappoint you...

Hillary Clintons graph

madokie

(51,076 posts)
54. Bernie will win this one
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:03 AM
May 2015

if I was a betting man I'd bet the farm on that.

I like Hillary too but she will never be our president and again if I was a betting man I'd bet on that.

 

Carewfan

(58 posts)
121. That's where you're wrong - Hillary is not left liberal.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:00 PM
May 2015

I don't know where you got this, but this is Political Compass from 2008's elections



Source: Political Compass

Response to 4lbs (Reply #131)

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
145. So she evolved....
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jun 2015

(Licked finger and felt the wind). Exactly why I looked for other options in 08, and will do so again in 16.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
151. Evolved = Agrees with Obama. He changed her mind and she'll continue and expand his policies. n/t
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jun 2015

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
41. Have you lived in Iowa. Eastern Iowas is not the Steven King district. Most of the colleges, uinions
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:45 AM
May 2015

and non-farm workers live in that area. It is liberal and this is great. Bernie did very well in Iowa City because of the way he campaigns as himself.

As to the "he's not a Democrat" bull - tell me who people are comparing him to: FDR, RFLK, MLK. Not a Democrat?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
42. I have lived in South Carolina...
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:46 AM
May 2015

nuff said....

He said himself SINCE his campaign that he is STILL not a Democrat. Because of that....he might not be able to even get on the ticket in some states...let me know when he truly embraces the Democratic Party not the other way around.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
96. South Carolina and Iowa are nothing alike.
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:29 PM
May 2015

Instead of shilling and disrupting, how about investing in a map and a history book?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
49. That's correct.
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:55 AM
May 2015

A Real Democrat™ would have voted for the Iraq, war, would have supported Goldwater & stayed away from Selma in 1964, would never let themselves be arrested in a civil rights demonstration, would stay silent on Keystone and the TPP, would back everything Monsanto wants to do, and would rail against the demonization of Wall Street.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
91. Are you a 'democrat'?
Sun May 31, 2015, 12:32 PM
May 2015

This is the Democratic Underground. Most here are Democrats. Those who aren't often struggle with the difference between democrat and Democrat. Now don't get me wrong, most here are not too snooty when it comes to punctuation but statistics demonstrate that Democrats have a higher educational standard than Republicans do. It has a lot to do with our upbringing. You see our parents were big on getting us as much schooling as possible. Republican parents otoh, tend to drop their kids on their heads a lot. Like I said, it's all in the upbringing.

Welcome to the Democratic Underground

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
66. OK, after our little tete a tete last night,
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:23 AM
May 2015

where you were replying to the wrong posts.. while I was watching Chi Chi Gonzales make his very fine MLB debut--


I'll bite...

Just what IS a real Democrat?

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
102. The hysterical thing about that comment, that Bernie is not a real Democrat
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:15 PM
May 2015

is that the system and history has pushed the Dem party so far to the right, that Bernie is exactly what a real Democrat would be.

Hillary is too though and I refuse to further the discussion about how she isnt, which is done intentionally to decrease her chances at the polls.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
107. "Bernie is exactly what a real Democrat would be"
Sun May 31, 2015, 05:07 PM
May 2015

That's true. He's more of a "Democrat" than many so-called "Democrats" the media actually pays attention to (and this is the reason they marginalize Bernie Sanders). I don't care wth letter follows his name, he is more of a Dem than most of them. To me, he's an FDR Dem and that's as Dem as you can get.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
157. A bit late replying, but HEAR HEAR !!!!
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jun 2015

I was actually born while FDR was still president. I was about 1 when he passed away. I remember him well. :&gt )

And, as I like to post occasionally, my mother, who was a 'stewardess' on American Airlines, was taught to knit by Eleanor Roosevelt on flights between DC and NY.
I have a photo of them together.

Is that cool, OR WHAT !!

Response to QC (Reply #108)

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
112. Most REAL Democrats these days are bought and paid for...
Sun May 31, 2015, 06:15 PM
May 2015

…lemmings who rarely speak out against the big banks, big Ag, big Pharma and other powerful corporate interests.

On DU, you can find all sorts of incredible fighting words about fighting corporate corruption, ending endless wars, helping the middle class and taking back our democracy from politicians who serve their corporate masters. Those are the words of REAL Democrats.

When is the last time you heard a Democrat passionately speaking about Citizens United or the fact that we are being spied on by our government? Where are the Democrats who denounce the neocons and their blood thirst for endless war? Who steps front and center and calls out these evil oil companies for their lies and their destruction of our planet? Where's the legislation that could fight the oil companies or the big banks?

There are a few lone voices, but basically--we hear next to nothing. They throw us some red meat when its election time, but other than that--most of our legislators do nothing about the systemic corruption that is destroying our democracy.

So, what the hell is a REAL Democrat these days? Frankly, 90 percent of Democrats on Capitol Hill appear to have been neutered years ago.

A REAL Democrat is someone who stands up for the middle class, isn't afraid to talk about making billionaires and millionaires pay fair taxes, and would nuke Citizens United from orbit. And they would speak passionately about these things and try to do something about it. That's a REAL Democrat, in my opinion.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
113. Who really cares if he is not a Democrat
Sun May 31, 2015, 06:55 PM
May 2015

There are very few in Washington that I would label a Democrat. There are many Republican lites,and many that are Corpracrats. But who really gives a damn if Bernie Sanders is not a real Democrat?If he is a Democrat,Socialist,Independent ,I don't care. His message is sincere and honest and I am voting for him.

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
146. Funny that....
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jun 2015

Bernie Sanders is far more democratic in his views and stances than most Democratic pols. It appears to me that far too many people are determined to vote for a woman just because she's a woman, rather than for a candidate who represents liberal values the best. The Clintons are political shape-shifters. They are licky-sticky politicians. (Lick finger and Stick it in the wind). When Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and Glass-Steagal, I vowed to do a much better job as a voter in discerning for whom I'm voting for.

johnfunk

(6,113 posts)
4. Time for the press to ignore or marginalize Sanders
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:58 AM
May 2015

I like his message and his platform, but the media doesn't, hence their misrepresentation of a so-so satirical article he wrote four decades ago.

Sanders' campaign team should have been prepared for that debacle and pushed back hard - even doubling down on press and media bias against him.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
7. well the rest of the party will ignore him once there are even MORE real Democrats
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:01 AM
May 2015

"in the game"....

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
12. Democrats don't like being dictated too
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:04 AM
May 2015

And Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination. His policy stances on the issues have been more progressive than the majority of the candidates running or investigating runs for the White House.

Thank you for your opinion, but I think I will stick with supporting Bernie here in Minnesota. If you ever change your mind about who you are supporting you are always welcome to join us!

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
15. I am sorry you feel that way.
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:14 AM
May 2015

He is a good guy and is right on all the issues and he speaks plainly and directly about policy and what he supports. He caucuses with the Democrats and has an excellent voting record. I am sorry you are so upset about the fact he has been more progressive as an independent than a lot of people that are Democrats have been. He is with those of us that are progressive and has been with that stance his entire career.

Personally I'm glad he has already sworn off being a spoiler he will support the Democratic nominee whoever that happens to be. Beyond this I don't think you should be telling progressives who they should be upset at when progressive Democrats have been told to compromise for candidates that were exceptionally conservative on a great number of issues but still happened to have a big (D) next to their name.

Again, I am sorry you feel this way

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
17. Don't feel sorry for me.....I vote for the Democrat...and HE said he is not one..
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:16 AM
May 2015

I feel sorry for you...

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
18. And if he wins the nomination?
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:18 AM
May 2015

What then? Will you support him if he wins the Democratic nomination?

I know you plan on saying "He won't" but just humor me on this. If Bernie Sanders wins the nomination, will you support him as the Democratic candidate?

Karma13612

(4,541 posts)
22. notice there is no response.
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:25 AM
May 2015

I am supporting Bernie, but will vote for who ever the Democratic nominee is because the Republican alternative is a nightmare.

Notice that your question to this commenter has gone unanswered. I do indeed wonder what their alternative is if HRC does not win the nomination.



 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
44. Wrong....I was busy with another post...
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:48 AM
May 2015

give a girl a minute or two....you are not the only game in town....there are other threads on DU to respond to.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
25. then I vote for him....BUT.....his chances of winning the General are slim and none
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:28 AM
May 2015

and guess what? We are facing them holding 3 branches of government...and potentially THEM putting a 5th on the Supreme Court.....HE is a LOOOOOONG Shot...

And I as a woman.....am not willing to gamble that on a self described NON Democrat.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
63. So do you think we should do away with the primary system? If you think the
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:15 AM
May 2015

candidate that wins the primaries has less chance of winning in the general than the loser, what would you do to correct the problem?

Would you do away with democratically elected candidates, go back to the back room deals and leave the rank and file out of it? Did you feel that way in '08 when the front runner lost to a little known one term Senator? Or is it just this one time because you have a problem with one of the candidates?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
92. You should work on counting to 270.
Sun May 31, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

Right now, the Democratic nominee has 257 electoral votes. The Republican nominee has 149. Those numbers come from the safely "blue" and "red" states. To do worse than those numbers, the Democrat or the Republican has to do something awful in the general election campaign.

So to win, the Democratic nominee needs to win VA. That's it. Or OH. Or CO + IA. The Democrat needs 1 large or 2 small of the 10 "swing" states.

The Republican needs all 10 swing states, and has to turn a "blue" state. That's why the Republican campaign is such a clown car - the Republicans who can count to 270 realize this one isn't going to go their way.

Here's a post from a GOP'er giving a lot more detail on where those numbers come from.

Sanders is not a LOOOOOOOONG shot. Any Republican is a LOOOOOOOONG shot. Republicans need a status-quo centrist on the Democratic ticket to have any chance, because they need low Democratic turnout. The Republicans can't afford to have a bunch of young people inspired by something like "Hope and Change".

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
23. I really feel sorry that
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:25 AM
May 2015

You cannot embrace someone who has the same values as the Democratic Party, and caucuses with them. Someone who has been appointed to a leadership position in the senate by the Democratic Party.
Someone who holds many of the same values as FDR (a Democrat).
I hope that at some point, that when Bernie is nominated as the Democratic Party candidate, you can vote for him.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
28. No I cannot BECAUSE he is a LONG shot to win the General by ANY stretch of the imagination....
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:30 AM
May 2015

want to know who is ahead of him...
Hillary Clinton 44 % 43.9 % 56.5 %
Jeb Bush 18 % 18.4 % 29.5 %
Marco Rubio 10 % 10.4 % 22.0 %
Scott Walker 8 % 7.9 % 14.5 %
Rand Paul 5 % 4.8 % 12.5 %
Elizabeth Warren 4 % 3.8 % 6.5 %
Joe Biden 2 % 1.7 % 7.0 %
Martin OMalley 2 % 1.7 % 6.0 %
Chris Christie 1 % 0.9 % 6.5 %
Rahm Emanuel 1 % 0.5 % N/A
Bobby Jindal 1 % 1.3 % N/A
Al Gore 1 % 1.2 % N/A
Rick Perry 1 % 0.6 % N/A
Ben Carson 1 % 0.8 % N/A
Ted Cruz 1 % 0.9 % 9.0 %
Paul Ryan 0 % 0.3 % N/A
Rob Portman 0 % 0.1 % N/A
Andrew Cuomo 0 % 0.1 % N/A
Condoleezza Rice 0 % 0.1 % N/A
Michael Bloomberg 0 % 0.2 % 5.0 %
Susana Martinez 0 % 0.1 % N/A
Bob McDonnell 0 % 0.1 % N/A
Deval Patrick 0 % 0.1 % N/A
Jon Huntsman 0 % 0.3 % N/A
Sarah Palin 0 % 0.3 % 3.0 %
Cory Booker 0 % 0.1 % N/A
Joe Manchin 0 % 0.1 % N/A
Mitt Romney 0 % 0.3 % 2.5 %


He still hasnt even broken ^^^ that...

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
35. Uhm... source?
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:36 AM
May 2015

I don't know whose numbers these are, what they represent, or when they were generated. Maybe you could elaborate on them a bit.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
45. Heh...
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:48 AM
May 2015

Interesting methodology they haven between bookies and market trading models.

I wouldn't trust the future of our nation on either of those systems of prediction.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
53. Eh... have you looked into this deeper?
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:02 AM
May 2015

I'm sorry, but either the data they are using is wildly out of date or the whole thing is just based on easy to spike speculation. Their bookies have a dozen people on the "likelihood of democratic domination" on their website that are NOT running and have no intention to run.

This is cluttered junk.

Response to kenfrequed (Reply #35)

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
51. Of course she is ahead. Name recognition. But with the recognition comes all of the baggage.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:00 AM
May 2015

The baggage may not be true but it is also known. He has just started campaigning and he is on fire.

As to not beating in the general - the clown car is full of beatable people.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
149. We often allow the odds to outweigh our convictions.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jun 2015

We often allow the odds to outweigh our convictions. We also rationalize it as something else more often than not...

rurallib

(62,379 posts)
103. I am older - this man sounds more like Democrats I grew up with than
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:05 PM
May 2015

anyone I have heard in 40 years.
Just to mention some names - Truman, Johnson, Kennedy, Humphrey

saying Sanders is not a Democrat is a BS position. It is like calling names when you run out of real ideas.

Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #17)

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
20. I'm with you, Ken & I don't need a 1%er to be my flag bearer
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:23 AM
May 2015

I'll vote for Bernie in my state's primary. Hopefully he'll still be a candidate then.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
52. Times have changed. The people hate business a usual today and they blame the rich and those
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:01 AM
May 2015

who even appear to be in bed with them.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
97. yes there are a few 1%ers who are decent people
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:30 PM
May 2015

like JFK and FDR were. I recognize that some wealthy people worked for their wealth, had good ideas and got lucky with them; also that they help those less fortunate. I just don't think HRC is the one to be out front leading the way on income inequality, being one of the 1%ers herself. Also, she and Bill C have made enormous sums giving speeches and I'm pretty sure a donor who pays Bill $500K for a speech expects something in return. And finally, we don't need dynastic presidents.

I'll vote for her if she's the candidate but I prefer O'Malley or Sanders.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
26. Bernie Sanders is not an Insider. Senator Warren said she is not an Insider.
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:28 AM
May 2015

Can Hillary Clinton say that? No she can not.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
59. A candidate or President that would be fine with a CEO on Wall Street, no matter his or her party.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:08 AM
May 2015

Wall Street seems to be afraid of Warren and Sanders, but not Clinton.

I believe that Wall Street is even saying that they would be fine with either Bush or Clinton as president.

So an insider supports and works against the interest of the working people while taking care of the Elite, being compensated by both.

 

Sgt Preston

(133 posts)
86. All your graph shows is that a left liberal can be an insider.
Sun May 31, 2015, 12:10 PM
May 2015


Oh, and it also shows that socialists do not exist!

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heaven05

(18,124 posts)
43. "real Democrats"?????
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:46 AM
May 2015

Bernie, so far to me, is much more a "real Democrat" than a lot of Democrats. You're only kidding yourself thinking Sen. Sanders doesn't have a legion of supporters out here with PLENTY OF TIME to get the word out. Period.

Response to heaven05 (Reply #43)

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
100. We will know he is a player when they come after him
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:09 PM
May 2015

And, the people who are drumming up the fantasy that the powers to be a ignoring him out of fear will start balling about how badly he is being treated.

Howard Dean was the darling, then had his political career destroyed by a moment of genuine emotion ...

Barrack Obama literally spent months being hammered for not wearing a flag pin ...

We will know Bernie is in the game when he gets that kind of treatment.

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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
88. Give it time?
Sun May 31, 2015, 12:13 PM
May 2015

The clock is ticking...

Monday, February 1: Iowa caucus

Tuesday, February 9: New Hampshire

Saturday, February 20: South Carolina

Tuesday, February 23: Nevada caucus



How is Bernie polling vs Hillary right now?

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #88)

bluedigger

(17,085 posts)
5. I went to her website to check her schedule.
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:59 AM
May 2015

Unfortunately, I couldn't get past the first page without giving my email.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
55. You're wasting your time
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:04 AM
May 2015

Some are motivated by ideology and ideology alone without regard to the realities of electoral politics. The tea party also has the same defect and they start electing loonier and loonier candidates with a hope that the whole country wants the racist, socially cruel, hyperchristian gun-toting candidates who want never ending wars.

We have our own (green) tea party that would support Lenin, Karl Marx or Dostoyevsky in the opposite belief that confiscatory and anti-entrepreneurial wealth distribution candidates will win. ("Populist" is the PC term)

Obama touched that spirit and won the nomination. He was lucky to have won the general election because the massive economic downturn, widespread layoffs, fear of bankruptcy and Sarah Palin were helping him. Bernie will not have the benefit of those but the green tea party has enough hope that he will pull an Obama in the general election.

What is scary is that most of the small state caucuses are populated by the extreme viewpoints and Bernie may actually win the nomination against Hillary like Obama did. If he does, get ready to practice saying President Scott Walker or President Jeb Bush.

Sad indeed.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
82. Start here. "confiscatory and anti-entrepreneurial wealth distribution candidates"
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:56 AM
May 2015

Sounds like something Paul Ryan would say. Almost exactly.

Here we are with historically low tax rates and someone is WHINING about confiscatory anti-entrepreneurial wealth distribution.

But they're REAL Democrats. You know, real Democrats that love 'em some supply side economics.

Response to Enthusiast (Reply #82)

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
95. Thanks for that shot of reality
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:12 PM
May 2015

Good to hear this on the Bernie Underground.

If by some sort of miracle Bernie beats Hillary for the nomination, we will without a doubt be locked into total republican control of the government and SCOTUS for the next 8 years.

I fear Bernie more than Cruz\Walker\Carson\Bush etc. Those jerks don't have a chance running against Hillary, but if its Bernie even that insane bastard Cruz can be the next POTUS and God help this country if that happens!

The MSM pretty much ignores Bernie now for obvious reasons. All their guns are aimed at Hillary.

If Bernie gets the nod, OMG the shitstorm against him will destroy his race in two weeks tops, I bet.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
109. Frankly
Sun May 31, 2015, 05:23 PM
May 2015

I would be more concerned about the blue dogs and third way democrats sabotaging the hell out of him as was done against McGovern by certain democrats.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
110. I guess that could happen as well
Sun May 31, 2015, 05:35 PM
May 2015

I'm for Hillary but of course I'll vote for the democratic candidate that wins the nomination.

I'm not into sitting at home watching the world burn down because my favorite didn't win.

Teahaddists must be stopped. Period.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
111. To be honest
Sun May 31, 2015, 05:38 PM
May 2015

I don't know how any Republican candidate they have can win at this point. Their policies and positions are somewhere between extreme and insane.

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #95)

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
135. Dostoyevsky was a writer.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:34 AM
Jun 2015

Just a writer. He wasn't particularly political, although he seems to have been religious. Next time you want to rattle off some Russian names, choose Trotsky instead. You might not know who he was either, but at least it might look like you do.

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
154. That's a good one to pick.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:52 PM
Jun 2015

Boris and Natasha weren't just commies, but commie spies. Tchaikovsky was another famous Russian. You have to look out for those pesky musicians.

Response to bluedigger (Reply #5)

babylonsister

(171,034 posts)
21. Man, chill out!
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:24 AM
May 2015

I'm sure people will post when she does, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with this, and your negativity isn't welcome.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
32. Not a man.....
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:34 AM
May 2015

How is posting that she hasnt even kicked off her campaign yet negative? I guess anything that doesn't praise Bernie is negative now!

babylonsister

(171,034 posts)
104. I don't care what you are. This post was not
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:13 PM
May 2015

about Clinton but about Sanders. Why do you insist on trying to change the topic? Let him have his victory; you'll have plenty of opportunities to have yours.

democrank

(11,085 posts)
83. I would expect that Hillary Clinton "will pack MUCH larger venues" than Bernie Sanders.
Sun May 31, 2015, 12:01 PM
May 2015

She has been a national political figure for a long time, and she`s a woman running for president. She`s the wife of a former president, a former senator from New York, a former Secretary of State, to name a few positions that have helped with her high name recognition. It`s no surprise to me that a lot of people show up to her events. I wish her well.

It`s also no surprise to me that a lot of people are showing up at Bernie Sanders` events, since here in Vermont he always draws a crowd....a very, very diverse crowd. You`ll see almost as many pickups with rifle racks and NRA stickers at Bernie`s events as used Subaru wagons with COEXIST stickers. Vermonters know Bernie is a man of his word, which is why Bernie yard signs (and bumper stickers) stay up year round, whether there is a campaign or not.

I always vote on old-fashioned Democratic Party issues. If there was a Goldman-Sachs person in one corner and a Kentucky coal miner in the other, I know for absolute certain where Bernie would stand. Apparently a lot of people in Iowa are finding out the answer to who stands where.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
90. Then why isn't she?
Sun May 31, 2015, 12:26 PM
May 2015

Wouldn't attracting much more massive crowds be a GREAT tool for cutting off Sanders's and O'Malley's campaigns?

Lemme help by adding your meaningless reply: "Just wait!!". Like we have to wait for her position on the TPP.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
8. If people will come to hear Bernie, great..
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:01 AM
May 2015

And they're coming. Remember Mitt in that big empty hall?

Americans,wake up! I love the faces in the crowd. Can't wait to attend my first Bernie rally.

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
14. Great to see this turnout. Thanks. *Will you x-post in the Bernie Sanders Group? Or I can
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:13 AM
May 2015

post it there, people will love to see this.

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
19. Ok great, thanks! Bernie's on MTP (Meet the Press) in a few. Folks here have a game
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:20 AM
May 2015

to see how many times Chuck Todd will try to get Bernie to talk about Hillary this am. Not Bernie's message. Most of the media does this to him frequently.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
31. thanks
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:32 AM
May 2015

just turned it on. I do not watch this shit, but I want to hear Bernie's possible slam of that tool called todd.

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
47. Very good, the more you see him the clearer his views are. And at this point, he
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:48 AM
May 2015

is not exactly career building so he can say what's going on.

Thom Hartmann has him on his radio/TV program every Friday, 12-1 for *'Brunch with Bernie', a Town Hall type segment where Bernie takes calls from people from all over he US to discuss issues.

He's been doing this more than 10 years, how many other pols would devote their time like this. The Friday 'Brunch with Bernie' is posted here weekly, and on YouTube.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
56. WHEN, I listened to
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:06 AM
May 2015

thom hartman I used to listen to that segment a lot. I like Sen. Sanders thinking. He was ALWAYS concerned about us, what used to be a thriving middle class, of which he was one of the first, I believe, to point out the ongoing destruction of. Hope that is lucid. Just saw Todd try to muddy things up with that 'article' from 43 years ago concerning women and men. Excellent response from Sen. Sanders.....

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
101. I like him
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:11 PM
May 2015

It is a matter of seeing if he gets some real air under his sails, and if so how he handles it when he gets the full treatment ...

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
119. true
Sun May 31, 2015, 08:41 PM
May 2015

I just returned home from an --- ----- for Bernie meeting. Quite the group. Young, old, students, even a high school student who talked his HRC leaning mother into coming and listening. She ended up quite lively in suggestion making on how to increase the group's effectiveness and get Bernie's name recognition up. We talked booths for art fair this summer and fall student return, voter registration, coordination with Bernie groups in the state, of which one member was actively pursuing, and what effect we could have individually in our workplaces and with friends, strangers and relatives. The power of Facebook and Twitter in our efforts. Quite the excitement. If we maintain it, we will win. The primary is in March, so we're working.....

Boomer

(4,167 posts)
98. A rose by any other name
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:54 PM
May 2015

If Bernie Sanders isn't a "real" Democrat, then so much the worse for the Democratic Party.

I don't care what people call him, I'm voting for him. If he was running as an Independent, then I'd leave the Democratic Party to vote for him because he reflects my views better than any other person running for president.

If you're a "real" Democrat, you should be thankful that Sanders IS running in the Democratic party because he won't end up playing a spoiler that fractures the Democratic vote and hands the election to the Republicans. If Clinton wins the nomination, as most people expect that she will, she will have my vote at the polls in November.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
105. My favorite candidate in my favorite old college town I lived in...
Sun May 31, 2015, 04:25 PM
May 2015

... many years ago.

Great that he spoke near Burlington St. Also good that his staff made sure not to have the optics of speaking at this street corner (at least this week).



https://www.google.com/maps/%4041.657874,-91.534767,3a,75y,141.18h,88.95t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3iRXTWJAfSTsFsX9LhFD7g!2e0

on the corner of Clinton Street and Burlington Street there, where they are building a new art museum there soon.

Maybe he and Hillary could have an outdoor debate near that street corner closer to the Iowa caucuses and debate on who could rebuild America best!

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
106. Article notes that Iowa City had the highest poverty level (28%) of any Iowa town on his trip...
Sun May 31, 2015, 05:00 PM
May 2015

... and yet is ranked the 8th most educated city IN THE COUNTRY here...

https://smartasset.com/student-loans/the-top-ten-most-educated-cities-in-america

I hope that Bernie made the point that this college town is a perfect showcase of why we need to work towards eliminating student debt, and to stop the gravy train to the rich, when one of the most educated city in the country has such a high poverty level!

I myself wasn't aware of how bad it has gotten since I left, and hadn't been back for quite a few years now.

He should make sure and make that point when he returns here for the Iowa caucuses. I'm sure that the University crowd there would cheer him on!

That and address climate change, which has probably affected Iowa residents wealth a lot with the slew of flooding from many storms over recent years that have done much damage to that town then.

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