Tue May 1, 2012, 07:10 AM
IamK (956 posts)
Vandalizing protesters go on rampage in SF's Mission District
Source: KTVU.com
SAN FRANCISCO — Police in riot gear were on alert outside the Mission District station Monday night after a rowdy group of protesters splattered the station entrance with paint and smashed windows with crowbars. A group of approximately 50 protesters, many of them dressed in black, targeted the station with the attack at around 9:15 p.m., Sgt. Daryl Fong said. Vandals wielding crowbars smashed windows and threw paint at the station, located in the 600 block of Valencia Street, according to police. After initially focusing on the station, the group moved down Valencia Street smashing car windshields and windows to nearby businesses. A BMW SUV was reportedly be lit on fire with a flare, causing extensive damage to the vehicle. Read more: http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/sfpd-responding-vandalism-mission-district/nNNT6/
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70 replies, 7274 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| IamK | May 2012 | OP | |
| IamK | May 2012 | #1 | |
| KeepItReal | May 2012 | #2 | |
| tomp | May 2012 | #3 | |
| rosesaylavee | May 2012 | #8 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #10 | |
| KurtNYC | May 2012 | #24 | |
| EFerrari | May 2012 | #27 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #29 | |
| KurtNYC | May 2012 | #33 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #35 | |
| happerbolic | May 2012 | #67 | |
| LanternWaste | May 2012 | #60 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #61 | |
| Octafish | May 2012 | #26 | |
| suffragette | May 2012 | #28 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #30 | |
| KurtNYC | May 2012 | #36 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #37 | |
| KurtNYC | May 2012 | #55 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #57 | |
| saras | May 2012 | #34 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #43 | |
| Luminous Animal | May 2012 | #46 | |
| Enrique | May 2012 | #39 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #44 | |
| Enrique | May 2012 | #47 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #50 | |
| Enrique | May 2012 | #53 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #56 | |
| Luminous Animal | May 2012 | #48 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #52 | |
| JDPriestly | May 2012 | #65 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #66 | |
| DallasNE | May 2012 | #69 | |
| Ford_Prefect | May 2012 | #4 | |
| NuttyFluffers | May 2012 | #5 | |
| Proletariatprincess | May 2012 | #6 | |
| AngryAmish | May 2012 | #11 | |
| EFerrari | May 2012 | #12 | |
| progressivebydesign | May 2012 | #64 | |
| Cirque du So-What | May 2012 | #7 | |
| Occulus | May 2012 | #16 | |
| Dogtown | May 2012 | #20 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #45 | |
| Luminous Animal | May 2012 | #51 | |
| hack89 | May 2012 | #54 | |
| Ford_Prefect | May 2012 | #9 | |
| happerbolic | May 2012 | #68 | |
| Eljo_Don | May 2012 | #13 | |
| slackmaster | May 2012 | #15 | |
| Occulus | May 2012 | #19 | |
| randome | May 2012 | #21 | |
| slackmaster | May 2012 | #22 | |
| EFerrari | May 2012 | #25 | |
| slackmaster | May 2012 | #31 | |
| EFerrari | May 2012 | #32 | |
| LeftinOH | May 2012 | #14 | |
| chrisa | May 2012 | #17 | |
| progressivebydesign | May 2012 | #63 | |
| drm604 | May 2012 | #18 | |
| Ford_Prefect | May 2012 | #23 | |
| Luminous Animal | May 2012 | #38 | |
| NuttyFluffers | May 2012 | #70 | |
| Odin2005 | May 2012 | #40 | |
| alp227 | May 2012 | #41 | |
| Luminous Animal | May 2012 | #42 | |
| Enrique | May 2012 | #49 | |
| Roland99 | May 2012 | #58 | |
| Luminous Animal | May 2012 | #59 | |
| progressivebydesign | May 2012 | #62 |
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 07:14 AM
KeepItReal (5,321 posts)
2. Did the authorities recognize any of their own?
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"Jesse Smith, a protester with Occupy Oakland, said the evening started with a peaceful gathering at Dolores Park and he was horrified by the turn of events.
Smith said he was "more than a little shaken" by the vandalism and did not know who was responsible. "I know Occupiers," Smith said. "None of us have any idea who they were." " |
Response to KeepItReal (Reply #2)
Tue May 1, 2012, 07:25 AM
tomp (8,608 posts)
3. agent provocateurs. nt
Response to tomp (Reply #3)
Tue May 1, 2012, 08:00 AM
rosesaylavee (11,719 posts)
8. + 1000
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Exactly. And I hope someone took some pics of some of the individuals involved for identification.
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Response to tomp (Reply #3)
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:09 AM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
10. "Agent provocateurs" can't be the knee-jerk response to everything bad with OWS
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why is it so hard to admit that a broad, leaderless movement will attract fringe elements that wish to use OWS to advance their particular agenda? It is not a reflection on the vast majority of OWS supporters but simply an acknowledgement of reality.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:16 AM
KurtNYC (12,077 posts)
24. What if the Oakland PD admit to, even brag about, infiltrating Black Bloc ?
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In 2003 the Oakland, CA Police Dept infiltrated a group of peaceful anti-war protestors at the port. Oakland police captain Howard Jordan said "You don't need to have some special skill to infiltrate these groups. Two of our officers were elected leaders within an hour of joining the group. So if you put people in there from the beginning, I think we'd be able to gather information and maybe even direct them to do something that we want them to do."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5626076 there's reality |
Response to KurtNYC (Reply #24)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:42 AM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
29. So one 9 year old incident proves every time it is an "agent provocateur" ?
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that is not reality.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #29)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:59 AM
KurtNYC (12,077 posts)
33. There are many recent incidents of infiltration and agent provacteurism
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The editor of American Standard ran into the National Air Space Museum and provoked pepper spray 5 months ago:
http://my.firedoglake.com/cgrapski/2011/10/09/american-standard-editor-admits-to-being-agent-provacateur-at-d-c-museum/ Occupy is a horizontally organized non-violent movement. If you go into the streets to commit violence you aren't Occupy. |
Response to KurtNYC (Reply #33)
Tue May 1, 2012, 11:05 AM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
35. "You aren't Occupy." leaves plenty of room for other groups besides the police
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that's all I am saying. Black bloc comes immediately to mind.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #35)
Tue May 1, 2012, 04:18 PM
happerbolic (140 posts)
67. exclusionary groups will most likely form as a result...
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Last edited Tue May 1, 2012, 04:27 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) as does what always takes place when a system like ours is in place that works against the true basic 'needs' of it's people (notice i didn't say 'individuals' - any Ron Paul Lurkers
It would be great at this time, if some larger (backed) causes would look outward at other worth while movements, and vice versa, to co-opt support toward one another without getting too bureaucratic about it. |
Response to hack89 (Reply #29)
Tue May 1, 2012, 01:03 PM
LanternWaste (16,346 posts)
60. No more and no less than your premise proves it was OWS...
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No more and no less than your premise proves it was OWS...
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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #60)
Tue May 1, 2012, 01:26 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
61. I am not saying it was OWS
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I said that OWS events attract fringe groups (non-OWS) that have their own agendas. Some of those groups are troublemakers. My point is that OWS supporters look stupid when they blame every such incident on the police.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:26 AM
Octafish (33,480 posts)
26. This.
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British commandos arrested in civilian clothes after shooting dead an Iraqi policeman who'd approached their car, which, for some reason, was filled with bomb-making gear. Rather than explaining it to a judge, the British sent in tanks to bust them out of jail.
Iraqi prison stormed by British tanks and helicopters "It works the same in every country." -- Reichsmarschall Hermann Wilhelm Göring |
Response to Octafish (Reply #26)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:42 AM
suffragette (7,401 posts)
28. Yes, this is truly an "acknowledgment of reality."
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As was the case at Montebello protest:
Police accused of using provocateurs at summit http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2962268
Quebec police admit they went undercover at Montebello protest http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2964654#2965427 |
Response to Octafish (Reply #26)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:44 AM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
30. So one incident means every incident must be the same?
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I am not denying that such things happen - it doesn't mean that every outrage associated with OWS is therefore the actions of "agent provocateurs" . Use some logic here.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #30)
Tue May 1, 2012, 11:05 AM
KurtNYC (12,077 posts)
36. The many incidents we have documented beats the big zero you have.
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It is called "Occupy" -- not "Smash Starbucks", not "Light up Beemers", and not "Black Bloc."
Occupy is defined by its tactics -- non-violent tactics. |
Response to KurtNYC (Reply #36)
Tue May 1, 2012, 11:09 AM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
37. Can you at least admit that OWS events will attract other groups
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that will take advantage of OWS for their own agenda's - groups other than the police?
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Response to hack89 (Reply #37)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:37 PM
KurtNYC (12,077 posts)
55. Can you admit that if OWS was violent the police wouldn't need to use APs?
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It is a logical conclusion after all.
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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #55)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:42 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
57. I don't think OWS is violent
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I don't think that all the violence is due to police APs. The police and OWS are not the only players in this dance.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)
Tue May 1, 2012, 11:02 AM
saras (6,670 posts)
34. Why is it so hard to admit that those people ARE agent provocateurs - that's EXACTLY what they are.
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An agent provocateur doesn't have to be PAID by the police, they just have to sympathize with their aims (typically martial law is the only aim of agent provocateurs)
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Response to saras (Reply #34)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:15 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
43. Why is it so hard to admit that those people may not sympathize with the police
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but have entirely separate agendas? You have reality separated neatly into black and white - the world I live in is a lot more complicated.
I am just pointing out that it makes OWS look stupid when their only response to incidents like this is "agent provocateur". |
Response to hack89 (Reply #43)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:21 PM
Luminous Animal (17,332 posts)
46. It's hard not to blame "agent provateurs" when every single SF Occupier that I know
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that was there didn't recognize any of the vandals that they saw. Furthermore, Occupiers who attempted to intervene were physically threatened by these vandals. As were medics and live streamers.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)
Tue May 1, 2012, 11:23 AM
Enrique (22,648 posts)
39. it's a reasonable response to this story
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imho
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Response to Enrique (Reply #39)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:16 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
44. Why?
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Besides there being no evidence and Black bloc / anarchist also have a history of pulling shit like this?
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Response to hack89 (Reply #44)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:22 PM
Enrique (22,648 posts)
47. police also have a history of it
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the evidence never comes out at the time, it always comes out years later.
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Response to Enrique (Reply #47)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:25 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
50. How convenient for you
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how many years do we have to wait?
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Response to hack89 (Reply #50)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:29 PM
Enrique (22,648 posts)
53. I'm just telling you what I think
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I read this story and I don't think these people have anything to do with Occupy.
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Response to Enrique (Reply #53)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:38 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
56. Never said it was.
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I am talking about the reflexive response to blame in on police provocateurs. There is plenty of room for other groups besides OWS and the police.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #44)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:23 PM
Luminous Animal (17,332 posts)
48. There are plenty of non-violent peaceful anarchists. Anarchists in San Francisco were
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at the forefront of feeding the homeless during the Occupation.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #48)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:27 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
52. Never said there wasn't - a "stereotypical" anarchist is an oxymoron. nt
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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)
Tue May 1, 2012, 03:21 PM
JDPriestly (37,760 posts)
65. But who are the fringe elements?
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And of what movement are they the fringe?
They are not necessarily Occupy-related. They may just be troublemakers who used Occupy as a cover. Could they be Ron Paul libertarian types? White Supremacy types? The Occupy movement is very clearly dedicated to nonviolence, at least in the Los Angeles area. This is inconsistent with what I have experienced when I visited the Occupy camps and participated in the 99% training. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #65)
Tue May 1, 2012, 03:58 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
66. I am not saying they are OWS
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I am questioning the common attitude that they are the police. You are absolutely right that there are many potential groups from across the political spectrum that could use OWS to advance their own agendas.
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Response to KeepItReal (Reply #2)
Tue May 1, 2012, 06:42 PM
DallasNE (2,960 posts)
69. Almost Certainly Anarchists
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Don't they dress in black? In Oakland they mingled in with Occupy people then broke off and went on a rampage. Occupy needs more security in the Bay area to physically remove the suspected anarchists.
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Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 07:26 AM
Ford_Prefect (252 posts)
4. Sounds like the old days of Cointelpro FBI provacation teams hiding in the Peace groups.
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Last edited Tue May 1, 2012, 07:39 AM USA/ET - Edit history (3) Although this does sound over the top for regular police officers it does not for tactical or special teams. Even more likely that it may have been some hidden part of Homeland Security doing its thing. Just suppose for a moment that Blackwater or some other part of the Shadow Army for Hire had a crew on assignment to disrupt and discredit peaceful and lawful protest by such an act. Or could it be some of the local Rethug Tea Party membership letting off a little steam?
Why were there no slogans or signs left on the site of the "outrage". No Graffiti? I don't think so! |
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 07:40 AM
NuttyFluffers (6,465 posts)
5. it's really a pity when law enforcement try to break their own stuff
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but maybe they feel assured that they'll get more of the budget once they ramp up the fear levels...
qui bono, people. qui bono. |
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 07:56 AM
Proletariatprincess (718 posts)
6. I suspect that the SF Bay Area is being targeted by Agent Provocateaurs
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The Powers To Be are afraid of we leftys here on the West Coast and they are attempting to discredit the movement on the eve of May Day. I say this because the police have been especially militant against demonstrators in both San Francisco and Oakland. This event seems to have no logic. Why attack a police station? Why no graffiti? I just don't buy it.
But it won't stop the activists here. There are just too many of us. Those of us too old or sick to demonstrate on the streets, are taking other actions and defending those who do. |
Response to Proletariatprincess (Reply #6)
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:17 AM
AngryAmish (19,625 posts)
11. Agreed, I saw it on the No True Scotsman Channel
Response to Proletariatprincess (Reply #6)
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:27 AM
EFerrari (163,986 posts)
12. Definitely.
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Whenever I see a headline like this, it feels just like old times in the Bay Area.
lol |
Response to Proletariatprincess (Reply #6)
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:35 PM
progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)
64. Sigh. Nope. these are the usual angst filled teen boys.
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the ones that graduated from vandalizing their upper middle class high schools to this. They even get to dress in costumes. How adorable. Sorry, but I'm in Seattle, and these guys are REAL, and they're idiots.
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Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 08:00 AM
Cirque du So-What (8,913 posts)
7. The occupy movement
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would do well to avoid and isolate these provocateurs.
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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #7)
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:51 AM
Occulus (20,341 posts)
16. It doesn't make any difference
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As hack89 proved above.
(Occupy could have the provocateurs dead to right and it would make no difference to Certain Parties) |
Response to Occulus (Reply #16)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:06 AM
Dogtown (4,668 posts)
20. Some
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Last edited Tue May 1, 2012, 10:07 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) agent provocateurs don black fatigues, others hide behind keyboards because they haven't got the grapes to actually light a fire.
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Response to Occulus (Reply #16)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:19 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
45. So get these provocateurs dead to right and we can talk
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I just see a knee jerk deflection.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #45)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:27 PM
Luminous Animal (17,332 posts)
51. How do you propose peaceful protesters do that?
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Many of these guys were armed with bats and metal poles. Occupiers who tried to intervene were physically threatened. Live streamers were physically threatened.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #51)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:35 PM
hack89 (21,304 posts)
54. I was referring to actual evidence that they were police agent provocateurs.
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All I said was that is makes OWS look stupid to blame every incident like this on agent provocateurs. That's all.
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Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 08:19 AM
Ford_Prefect (252 posts)
9. Where's the securtiy Video of the event???
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With all that anti-terror money there is no Video from the police station cameras? Anyone who filed complaints or Insurance claims on the damages would be looking for proof of timing and witnesses to the event. Where are the police reports and witness interviews?
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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #9)
Tue May 1, 2012, 04:36 PM
happerbolic (140 posts)
68. excellent point ford...
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...they always seem to have it on the 'little' people. I hope Occupy SF makes a large banner for their next event (hopefully in front of that precinct station)
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Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:30 AM
Eljo_Don (84 posts)
13. Do something.
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The real protesters should form groups to arrest this dressed in black people that are making believe the occupy movement is a violent movement. Show their faces to the world.
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Response to Eljo_Don (Reply #13)
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:50 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
15. Yes, at least denounce them for once.
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Response to slackmaster (Reply #15)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:04 AM
Occulus (20,341 posts)
19. For once? Occupy protesters- legitimate ones- have done just that from the beginning.
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What's with your "for once" bullshit?
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Response to Occulus (Reply #19)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:08 AM
randome (12,765 posts)
21. "None of us have any idea who they were."
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Last edited Tue May 1, 2012, 10:09 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Doesn't exactly sound like a denunciation, only the oft-repeated 'THEY'RE not with US!'
Nobody ever gets out of hand as long as they have the word 'Occupy' stamped on their foreheads. Right? Only bad guys wear black. |
Response to Occulus (Reply #19)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:14 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
22. The "legitimate" Occupy protesters do plenty of denouncing, but I don't see them denouncing this one
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Last edited Tue May 1, 2012, 10:20 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) At least not yet. They ought to be all over it.
Here's a sample of Google search results for "Occupy protesters denounce:" Occupy protesters denounce police violence at vigil Occupy protesters denounce indictments - UPI.com 'Occupy' Protesters Denounce Police Actions, Plan Rally Occupy Wall Street protesters denounce economic equality on ... Boston protesters denounce raid on Occupy Wall Street Occupy Protesters Disrobe, Denounce Supreme Court Ruling ... Occupy protesters denounce indictments Occupy protesters denounce Mitt Romney Occupy Toronto plans rally denouncing arrest of five protesters PressTV - Occupy Houston protesters denounce indictments Occupy People: Protesters Denounce Bradley Cooper Occupy protesters denounce indictments | News for Dallas, Texas ... Occupy protesters denounce indictments Tweed Protesters Denounce 'Privatization' of Schools |
Response to slackmaster (Reply #22)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:21 AM
EFerrari (163,986 posts)
25. So, Occupy should just drop everything
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in the moments before a huge action and denounce a few trolls?
No. |
Response to EFerrari (Reply #25)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:54 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
31. Those "few trolls" did a lot of damage. Occupy would do well to help clean up the mess.
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When an organization has no vetting process for membership, you can't really say who is a member and who is not.
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Response to slackmaster (Reply #31)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:56 AM
EFerrari (163,986 posts)
32. That's what trolls do.
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And yes, you really can say who is not Occupy when nobody knows them and they try to derail an action that has been planned for weeks.
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Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:45 AM
LeftinOH (4,467 posts)
14. "dressed in black". Hmmmmm. Really? n/t
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:52 AM
chrisa (3,365 posts)
17. Then they went home and bought more stuff with mommy and daddy's money. The end.
Response to chrisa (Reply #17)
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:33 PM
progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)
63. Seriously love your post. n/t
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 09:52 AM
drm604 (13,962 posts)
18. Sounds like Black bloc.
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Last edited Tue May 1, 2012, 09:52 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) Possibly agent provocateurs.
Notice the wording in the article? A group of approximately 50 protesters, many of them dressed in black
I'm guessing that the only ones doing the vandalizing were the ones in black. |
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 10:15 AM
Ford_Prefect (252 posts)
23. Video from just after the "march".
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Last edited Tue May 1, 2012, 10:18 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) Check out the commentary by Nathan at about 8:23 He explains what he has seen and what he is doing. 1st eyewitness commentary - so far. Total time runs to about 17 minutes.
********************************* Nathan H - in Oakland for May Day under the title "4.30.12 OO Smashy Smashy March" http://www.livestream.com/opdxlive/video?clipId=pla_ae931f2c-660f-45a1-8194-8470e85b5f0f&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb |
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 11:20 AM
Luminous Animal (17,332 posts)
38. 40 cops : Zero arrests. Hmmmm.
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Dozens flocked to the sidewalk and began yelling, “this is not an Occupy SF action!” while passers-by looked on, concerned.
The group turned on Valencia, continuing to shrink in size and break windows. Within half an hour there were less than 50 people in the march. About 40 of police on foot followed the march along Valencia, trailing behind as vandalism continued. SFPD representatives were not immediately available for comment, but based on witness accounts there were no arrests. Neighborhood residents were angered and confused by the destruction. One man who did not wish to be named said, “They kept doing it while other people in the march were trying to get them to stop. It was childish.” http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2012/05/01/eve-may-day-valencia-mission-police-station-vandalized |
Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #38)
Wed May 2, 2012, 02:44 AM
NuttyFluffers (6,465 posts)
70. huh, 40 cops, following & watching vandalism, and ZERO arrests. QUI BONO PEOPLE!
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damn, how stupid do we think we are?
well i have an answer for that, there's plenty among our populace who are just enough... you only need to fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. it's easy to foment reactionist rhetoric, enough people refuse to THINK. |
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 11:51 AM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
40. Anti-Occupy Bullshit.
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 11:52 AM
alp227 (20,495 posts)
41. DU this Occupy-related poll!
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:03 PM
Luminous Animal (17,332 posts)
42. Eye witness account from an SF Occupier (and he's not happy).
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http://scottrossi.tumblr.com/post/22184158717/notes-from-an-occupation-17-dolores-park-ruckus
So, rather than describe what happened (since 340958345 other blogs and news agencies will do just that), I think it is more important to point out who did this. But as I’m about to explain to you, I don’t know that I can do that. You see, I don’t know who, the people I’ll dub as the ‘ringleaders’ of the march were exactly. Nobody did. Yeah some of the aggro people we always have to deal with were there, but these guys weren’t it. You remember those asshole jock bullies in high school? Well that was who was leading the march tonight. Clean cut, athletic, commanding, gravitas not borne of charisma but of testosterone and intimidation. They were decked out in outfits typically attributed to those in the ‘black bloc’ spectrum of tactics, yet their clothes were too new, and something was just off about them. They were very combative and nearly physically violent with the livestreamers on site, and got ignorant with me, a medic, when I intervened and reminded them that I was there to fix them from police violence, not protester on protester violence.
... Isn’t it funny too, that for the last 6 months of sustained protests, we couldn’t fart sideways without riot police raising their truncheons against us anywhere in the Bay Area, yet these cops weren’t around tonight when the convergence in Dolores Park turned into a march. the 2 squad cars and van that were following us did so at a snail’s pace while the boojie restaurants on 18th street got vandalized. Some more police units on Valencia just let the protest pass, despite it’s obviously destructive intent, and the cops were driving past laughing as their cars were pelted with paint. The laughter is really what betrays something seriously wrong about tonight’s march. For six months, we’re beaten, harassed and arrested at the slightest provocation, park and public lodging rules enforced to the very last dotted ‘i’ and crossed ‘t’, but tonight, they let a pack of vandals run riot down Valencia street. ... We’ve spent months radicalizing and empowering the Mission, working with and learning from groups who have already been here for decades, trying to use our momentum, enthusiasm and appeal to energize moribound organizations and skittish and apathetic people. We’ve been encouraging people to feel empowered to organize themselves, to get unions for day laborers, to march for and bring attention to our terrible immigration practices, hell the list goes on and on. It’s just convenient that these so called ‘protesters’ acted in such a way to undermine and burn all those bridges we’ve been so carefully building. The destruction was too calculated and precise in it’s seeming randomness to be Black Bloc or even those fucking suburban scumbags who get an anarchist patch at Hot Topic and think that gives them license to come to Oakland or SF and burn shit down. Like I said, I don’t know who did this, but I am 1000000% certain they were not OccupySF and they were not OccupyOakland. I know the action was marketed as an action against gentrification, but too many regular people suffered tonight. Too many car tires are slashed. An old, brown minivan on the corner of Valencia and Duboce has all the windows busted out and the tires are flat. How is the owner supposed to drive that to work? The point is, the Mission, my neighborhood, a working class neighborhood, albeit one infested with yuppies and hipsters, got fucked up tonight. All that work we’ve been doing is now jeopardized. All the interest in what we were doing that brought people in the Mission to ask OccupySF to help them organize is jeopardized. I’m sure the woman wondering how she’s getting to work in the morning because her car is jacked up now finds her job and way of life jeopardized. |
Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #42)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:25 PM
Enrique (22,648 posts)
49. sounds like Blackwater USA
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or something similar. I'm sure these people normally work outside the USA.
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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #42)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:46 PM
Roland99 (36,515 posts)
58. That should be an OP in and of itself!
Response to Roland99 (Reply #58)
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:53 PM
Luminous Animal (17,332 posts)
59. Already crossposted at DUs Occupy Underground :)
Response to IamK (Original post)
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:33 PM
progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)
62. Dumbasses.
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Sigh. Yeah, nothing says supporting the little guy, than breaking windows of the working people in America. So tired of overprivileged teen boys thinking that they're soooo deep. I know that here on DU people probably support guys like that, but they are hurting people. Who do they think pays the insurance premiums for the businesses they attack or the cars they vandalize? It sure the hell isn't Wall Street or "The Man." They just like violence. I prefer people that actually HELP others.
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