Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:30 PM
alp227 (20,408 posts)
Marine discharged over online Obama commentsThis discussion thread was locked as off-topic by dixiegrrrrl (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum). A Marine who used his Facebook page to criticize President Barack Obama has been discharged, a Marine Corps spokesman said Wednesday. Sgt. Gary Stein was given an "other-than-honorable" discharge, said Capt. Brian Block, a spokesman for the Marines. Among other comments posted to his Facebook page, Stein called Obama a liar and suggested he would not follow some orders issued by the president. An other-than-honorable discharge is given to a Marine who commits a "serious offense" that significantly differs from conduct expected of a Marine, the Corps said. Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/25/us/marine-obama/index.html
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| alp227 | Apr 2012 | OP | |
| Archae | Apr 2012 | #1 | |
| atreides1 | Apr 2012 | #3 | |
| russspeakeasy | Apr 2012 | #6 | |
| russspeakeasy | Apr 2012 | #4 | |
| emulatorloo | Apr 2012 | #2 | |
| KansDem | Apr 2012 | #9 | |
| Siwsan | Apr 2012 | #5 | |
| still_one | Apr 2012 | #7 | |
| Voice for Peace | Apr 2012 | #8 | |
| Turbineguy | Apr 2012 | #10 | |
| tjwash | Apr 2012 | #11 | |
| dixiegrrrrl | Apr 2012 | #12 |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:32 PM
Archae (26,340 posts)
1. "Other-Than-Honorable" means no benefits, right?
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I don't remember how it works.
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Response to Archae (Reply #1)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:36 PM
atreides1 (10,165 posts)
3. Here read
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General (Under Honorable Conditions). If a member's service has been honest and faithful, it is appropriate to characterize that service under honorable conditions. Characterization of service as General (under honorable conditions) is warranted when significant negative aspects of the member's conduct or performance of duty outweigh positive aspects of the member's military conduct or performance of duty outweigh positive aspects of the record. A General (under honorable conditions) characterization of discharge may jeopardize a member's ability to benefit from the Montgomery G.I. Bill if they, in fact, had contributed. Moreover, the member will not normally be allowed to reenlist or enter a different military service.
Under Other Than Honorable Conditions. OTH Discharges are warranted when the reason for separation is based upon a pattern of behavior that constitutes a significant departure from the conduct expected of members of the Military Services, or when the reason for separation is based upon one or more acts or omissions that constitute a significant departure from the conduct expected of members of the Military Services. Examples of factors that may be considered include the use of force or violence to produce serious bodily injury or death, abuse of a special position of trust, disregard by a superior of customary superior-subordinate relationships, acts or omissions that endanger the security of the United States or the health and welfare of other members of the Military Services, and deliberate acts or omissions that seriously endanger the health and safety of other persons. Persons awarded an OTH characterization of service: are not entitled to retain their uniforms or wear them home (although they may be furnished civilian clothing at a cost of not more than $50); must accept transportation in kind to their homes; are subject to recoupment of any reenlistment bonus they may have received; are not eligible for notice of discharge to employers (which may affect unemployment benefits); and, do not receive mileage fees from the place of discharge to their home of record. It is generally believed that an OTH Discharge will render an individual ineligible for all VA Benefits. This is not necessarily so. The Department of Veterans Affairs will make its own determination with respect as to whether the OTH was based on conditions which would forfeit any or all VA benefits. Most veterans' benefits will be forfeited if that determination is adverse to the former service-member, such as when based on the following circumstances: (1) Desertion; (2) escape prior to trial by general court-martial; (3) conscientious objector who refuses to perform military duties, wear the uniform, or comply with lawful orders of competent military authorities; (4) willful or persistent misconduct; (5) offense(s) involving moral turpitude; (6) mutiny or spying; or (7) homosexual acts involving aggravating circumstances. |
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Response to atreides1 (Reply #3)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:38 PM
russspeakeasy (5,720 posts)
6. Thanks, you did a much better job than I did.
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Response to Archae (Reply #1)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:36 PM
russspeakeasy (5,720 posts)
4. That's how it works. Plus job applications used to ask if you were
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ever a member of the armed forces and was your discharge less than honorable...don't know if that is still true.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:32 PM
emulatorloo (24,202 posts)
2. Good, freepers need a new martyr
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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #2)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:50 PM
KansDem (24,316 posts)
9. I was thinking the same thing. Next stop: FOX News!!!
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:37 PM
Siwsan (1,815 posts)
5. It's about time
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I have the utmost respect for Marines. My father was a Marine. But this guy didn't have what it takes to be a real Marine. Although it could have happend, but I never heard of a single episode like this while the previous administration was waging an illegal, artificial war.
The danger now is, he's probably going to be picked up by some radical birther/racist type group. And, yes, I know that is redundant. |
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:41 PM
still_one (31,073 posts)
7. The idiot has no idea what the code of conduct is. The Marines did the right thing /nt
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Response to still_one (Reply #7)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:46 PM
Voice for Peace (8,393 posts)
8. agree. it is close to what many would call treasonous.
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If it were a marine writing about GW in the same way, there
would have been the same consequence, I believe. Only difference is the marine wouldn't be defended by the anti-Obama crowd. |
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:54 PM
Turbineguy (16,528 posts)
10. Another person damaged for life
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another success for Fox News.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 05:34 PM
tjwash (8,088 posts)
11. At first I was thinking that had he been directing his ire toward bush* instead of O...
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...this whole board would be screaming bloody murder over him getting discharged.
Sorry...but you all know that it is exactly what would go down. But then I thought about the fact that he will probably get a nice cushy deal as the faux-spews anti-obama poster boy, at least up until the election, and probably end up doing the national annual repug-hate-fest tour with Sa-wah Palin and Joe the plumber after mittens gets his ass handed to him. Hell...he'll probably parlay it into a nice late night AM teabagger-talk radio slot on a clear channel affiliate. So then I changed my mind to fuck-em. |
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 05:42 PM
dixiegrrrrl (30,728 posts)
12. Locking..this is a duplicate of earlier LBN story
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earlier story:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014106789 |
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