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Wed Apr 25, 2012, 02:54 PM

Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts

Source: Associated Press



SAN DIEGO (AP) The Marine Corps said Wednesday it has decided to discharge a sergeant for criticizing President Barack Obama on Facebook.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/marines-discharge-sergeant-facebook-posts-181223651.html

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Reply Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts (Original post)
atreides1 Apr 2012 OP
Crowman1979 Apr 2012 #1
stevenleser Apr 2012 #2
47of74 Apr 2012 #4
stevenleser Apr 2012 #7
ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #3
stevenleser Apr 2012 #5
grantcart Apr 2012 #8
LanternWaste Apr 2012 #10
JDPriestly Apr 2012 #16
LanternWaste Apr 2012 #17
emulatorloo Apr 2012 #18
grantcart Apr 2012 #6
Horse with no Name Apr 2012 #9
deutsey Apr 2012 #11
GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #12
kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #13
Robb Apr 2012 #14
Iliyah Apr 2012 #15
BarbaRosa Apr 2012 #19
Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #20
Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #21
Fearless Apr 2012 #22
Sirveri Apr 2012 #23

Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:10 PM

1. Good!

About f***in time!

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:18 PM

2. Military rules are very specific in this regard. Your 1st amendment rights are limited.

Everyone in the military knows this.

This guy knowingly broke the rules.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:21 PM

4. And if I recall correctly

He was given several chances to fix the problem but basically doubled down.

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Response to 47of74 (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:29 PM

7. Correct. I am surprised he got any additional chances. That was unusually generous. nt

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:19 PM

3. I think people should be able to complain about their boss, during their free time,

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without penalty.

I think most people disagree with me on that subject, so I will just have to learn to deal with it.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:29 PM

5. There are certain things you give up when you enlist or commission, but you know that in advance.

They explain all of these things before you swear in and they make you attend classes on them during basic training or OCS/the Academy/ROTC.

- You cannot just not show up for work or call in sick. Your freedom of movement is curtailed.

- You cannot publicly speak ill of anyone in your chain of command including the President.

That's just the beginning. Also, all laws on the books in your state are more strictly enforced. Underaged drinking in the civilian world results, if caught, with a slap on the wrist. In the military, you get 30 days in jail, reduction in rank (if you have any) and loss of pay.

If you do something wrong and get convicted in a courts martial, be prepared to do 99% of your sentence. The military doesnt have the same concept of parole the civilian world does. If you get sentenced to 10 years in jail, you will probably serve 9 years at least. You wont get out in 3 years and then have 5 years probation.

The military is a bad place to go if you intend to break the rules.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:30 PM

8. He stated that he wouldn't follow a lawful order:

"Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That will get you kicked out every time.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:36 PM

10. That was not a complaint, but a refulsa to follow orders.

Complaining about the boss is one thing. Emphatically stating the President is a domestic enemy while under contract, stating that one will not follow legal orders, and doing it in such as way as to gain maximum exposure is a wholly different thing... so need to learn to deal with it, just need to learn critical relevant differences.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:18 PM

16. I agree, ZombieHorde.

Suppressing opinions just builds resentment all the more. It's better to let people say what they think.

It's healthier in the end.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:27 PM

17. Not so much as suppression as it is

Not so much as suppression as it is simply realizing the consequences of what we say.

Although I imagine many would actually believe that not verbalizing an opinion is actually a suppression of that opinion-- but (and bless their little hearts), those are two wholly different things.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:38 PM

18. Military rules aside, Bitching about your boss on FACEBOOK seems kinda dumb

We bitch about our boss over a beer. We don't post our bitching on FACEBOOK. Because that would be dumbass thing to do, and would probably get us fired.

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:29 PM

6. he was not discharged for criticizing President Obama

He was discharged for saying that he would not obey a lawful order when he posted this.


"Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."


I have yet to see one Marine who saw this comment disagree with the action.

He discharged himself.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:32 PM

9. Agreed. The article was poorly written. n/t

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:37 PM

11. How long before he becomes a FOX Snooze commentator

or GOP political candidate (or both)?

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:39 PM

12. Meet the right's latest martyr.

Had he said this against Bush, they'd be calling for a firing squad.

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:43 PM

13. Good.

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:50 PM

14. That "other-than" discharge will free him up to say whatever he pleases.

No one will listen, however.

...You know how they say there are really no "ex" Marines? Well here's one. Disgraceful.

Edited to add: apparently this guy was either confused on the "semper" or the "fidelis."

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:55 PM

15. He will always

have a job with the right wing so called "Christians" mob, with Fake news giving them a show or back him running for political office.

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 05:01 PM

19. He did get what he wanted,

he's no longer obligated to follow Pres. Obama's orders.

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:37 PM

20. Now he's just worthless.

Worthless to the Corps, worthless to himself.

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:35 AM

21. GOOD. Rules are rules.

Now he can exercise his free speech as an ex-Marine. Everybody wins.

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:53 AM

22. While the rule is stupid and flies in the face of the freedoms we claim to support...

His statement was equally stupid and potentially dangerous.

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Response to atreides1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:42 PM

23. Other than Honorable (OTH) is as low as one can go without a court martial.

So they smacked him down pretty severely for this.

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