U.S. Running Out of Room to Store Oil; Price Collapse Seen
Source: Associated Press
The U.S. has so much crude that it is running out of places to put it -- and that could drive oil and gasoline prices even lower in the coming months.
For the past seven weeks, the United States has been producing and importing an average of 1 million more barrels of oil every day than it is consuming. That extra crude is flowing into storage tanks, especially at the country's main trading hub in Cushing, Oklahoma, pushing U.S. supplies to their highest point in at least 80 years, the Energy Department reported last week. If this keeps up, storage tanks could approach their operational limits, known in the industry as "tank tops," by mid-April and send the price of crude -- and probably gasoline, too -- plummeting.
"The fact of the matter is we are running out of storage capacity in the U.S.," Ed Morse, head of commodities research at Citibank, said at a recent symposium at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. Morse has suggested oil could fall all the way to $20 a barrel from the current $50. At that rock-bottom price, oil companies, faced with mounting losses, would stop pumping oil until the glut eased. Gasoline prices would fall along with crude, though lower refinery production, because of seasonal factors and unexpected outages, could prevent a sharp decline.
Multiple Factors Involved
The national average price of gasoline is $2.44 a gallon. That's $1.02 cheaper than last year at this time, but up 37 cents over the past month. Other analysts agree that crude is poised to fall sharply -- if not all the way to $20 -- because it continues to flood into storage for a number of reasons:
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Read more: http://www.dailyfinance.com/2015/03/03/america-lacks-room-store-oil/
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)thanks Obama.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)When gas prices were high, they said: ''You can't blame President Obama. He has nothing to do with oil prices!''
Now you want to give him credit for causing an oil glut and prices tanking?
- More of that ''Change we can believe in'' I see......
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Really they are too funny. I guess I should have used this
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...you should have.
C Moon
(12,209 posts)I think it's awful (in California anyway) how there has been a huge increase in large vehicle usewith one driver.
Low gas prices only encourage the U.S. to use more gas, instead of trying to figure out how to move away from fossil fuels.
Simple thought, I know, but that's my guy feeling every time I see gas prices drop.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)In the US there are some trucking companies that do. It might happen in the US someday that these vehicles drop in price and methane stations become common place, but that is a long ways off.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)to provide all the free methane to run a small vehicle. Just change your diet to all beans.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)What a prescient user name you have.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)At least to flies and their baby maggots!
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)in my research I have found some interesting to me anyway facts. One is that human waste isn't all that wasteful, we use almost every nutrient we ingest. So, our poo isn't very interesting to microbes and other waste feeders.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)mrdmk
(2,943 posts)Between $3.20 - $3.60 for a gallon of regular
There is no encouragement to drive a big car here by yourself
C Moon
(12,209 posts)I got the #s from here:
http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline/retail_gasoline_prices2.html
I just recall times in the past few years that prices climbed over $4 per gallon and sat there. Folks starting van pooling /car pooling, etc. (my wife van pooled to work for years and they thought they were going to lose the van because not enough people were participating. As soon as gas reached $4 per gallon, they were overwhelmed with requests to join, and the company added more vans to the pool).
I'll admit I'm not familiar with what causes fluctuations on prices.
But all I was saying was that as nice as it is to our bank accounts for these lower gas prices, I don't think it's good for the environment and getting us off fossil fuels.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)Meaning, we do need a better energy program that is sustainable. Pricing is one way accomplishing that goal.
Looking at the map (provided in the previous post), California is paying in some cases double of the rest of the nation because of regions environmental policies. Gasoline is formulated (oxygenated) to have less Carbon Monoxide output which was a real problem during the 1960's and 1970's in this area. One could imagine the problem now if policies were not in place. Other parts of the nation are now having the same problem with increased gasoline use. The problem is being resolved by using the solutions that were developed fifty years ago.
The other problem is market manipulation a barrel of oil. A major problem with that is this money is being used to line the pockets of financial corporations rather than to invest in the development of other energy solutions. The money is being used to keep the status-quo. Once again, this is not a sustainable solution as you stated.
In short, we need solutions, not glutenous wealth creation.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)It actually indicates the opposite of what the story says.
That we have been using the lower price to fill up our reserves at a discount, this is actually **additional consumption**. Sure once we fill it there will be a little less demand on the world market, but that would make a very small dent, if any. It in no way indicates a collapse.
Fucking tabloid media.
Brother Buzz
(36,385 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Rochester
(838 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Filled to "Capacity" in 2005 but then expanded, then the expansion was cancelled. Drawdowns occurred in 2008 but most of that appears to have been recovered. Thus there appear to be little capacity to fill
progressoid
(49,951 posts)Gas guzzling SUV and pickup sales are on the rise.
nikto
(3,284 posts)So, gas prices go down for a maybe a year or so, if we're lucky, and folks go out and get
that shiny new dinosaur vehicle they've been having wet dreams about.
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I love 'Murka!!
ffr
(22,665 posts)You'd think there was a war in the Middle East it's going up so fast.
A 36% surge in two weeks. WTF is going on that would cause that?
Ohio4theWin
(60 posts)And some oil producers also own refineries, so they can soften the blow of low oil prices by slowing down their refineries. But topping off storage should force refinery production to increase. Assuming OPEC makes no cut.
nikto
(3,284 posts)had risen 5-10 cents/Gallon.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/18/us-refinery-blast-exxon-idUSKBN0LM1VR20150218
Refinery explosion in Ohio in Jan.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/explosion-fire-shake-ohio-oil-refinery/
US refining strike (haven't heard if there was any settlement yet).
http://www.hydrocarbonprocessing.com/Article/3423247/Oil-declines-as-US-workers-strike-seen-cutting-refinery-demand.html
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)All it takes is a big refinery fire and it goes offline for a long period of time and that will drive prices back up. Someone needs to point out to the idiots who write this that a change in the price of oil doesn't necessarily mean a change in the price of gas. Also prices go up much quicker than the come down.
Kablooie
(18,612 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)You know, 2 "Oil-types" standing next to a wild river area (on one side of the panel),
with massive trucks coming in behind them on the other side, and one, smiling smugly,
says that line to the other one.
You gotta' find a cartoonist.
BumRushDaShow
(128,516 posts)The lowest at those stations was $2.59 during the initial price drop, and some generic brand stations in more outlying areas had maybe gone as low as the upper $2.30s.
I am still glad I'm not paying almost $4/gal for an extended period of time like last year.
winstars
(4,219 posts)I live near the refinery that blew but this is BS...
BumRushDaShow
(128,516 posts)to other uses.... But IMHO, I swear the individual station owners/franchisees listen to the business reports and raise prices based on what they hear... I used to cringe every time I'd hear Trilby Lundberg's "Lunberg Gas Price Survey" report (apparently via a subscription taken out by our news radio station) where she would almost always predict prices going up, or they had bottomed out and would go up. And sure enough, a day or 2 later, up went the prices at the local stations (although they can only raise them once a week in this state). Of course the few times when the prices plummeted, the same stations were slow to lower them (and when they did, it was by mere pennies vs the 10 cents or more per gallon rises). The most recent month, I haven't heard the report mentioned much at all anymore...
And as a sidenote to that, i just stumbled up this about the Lundberg siblings fight! OMG! Talk about familial cognitive dissonance!
Oil and Anti-Oil
Thursday, March 3, 2011
By Barney Brantingham (Contact)
BROTHERS VS. SISTER: Jan Lundberg, of the famed Lundberg gas-price survey family, rode his bike up to my house in the pouring rain to talk about a real-life Santa Barbara soap opera. Jan, an anti-oil environmentalist who advocates tearing up pavement, is suing his famous prophet of the pumps sister Trilby Lundberg and others over the alleged wrongful death of their mother, Mesa, in 2008.
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In a 2006 Associated Press interview, Trilby confessed that she didnt know how many miles per gallon her Mercedes got and pooh-poohed the idea of global warming. I left messages for Trilby with her staff at her Camarillo office but got no reply.
Jan, 58, who lives on a sailboat near Portland and who tore up the driveway of his former home and replaced it with a garden, named Trilby and eight other defendants as allegedly negligent in the death of Mesa, who spent seven years in a Goleta nursing-hospice-respite home.
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Trilby, in the 2006 AP story, told of being brought up to play classical piano and said she had no formal business training. Im without a mortarboard on my head, she said. Im self-made or lucky. She balked at suggestions that she is a tool of the oil industry and condemned the overzealous meddling of the Environmental Protection Agency and other federal agencies. Gas and engine modifications aimed at reducing emissions are more to blame for gas price hikes than OPEC, she claimed.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Look, is there anyone who can verify any of this information and prove causality between no more room left to store oil and lower oil prices?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Low oil prices are having a devastating effect on countries like Russia and Venezuela who make most of their money on petroleum, and driving down the amount of money ISIS can make from the oilfields of which they've taken control. If ever there was a time I might think the Obama administration was playing '11th dimensional chess' it might be in pushing American oil production to glut the markets and drive down prices to hurt other oil producing countries/groups, especially Russia.
I think the folks who want to kill off the electric market just don't have the self-control to lose that much money by letting prices drop so much.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Gimme a break, all these stories favor big oil.
And yes, I grew with the oil business and know that lower prices depress the industry. I saw all the effects of what Reagan did when he jumped in bed with the House of Saudi and promised 'cheap gas.'
Of course he wasn't their first running buddy. The energy industry whining now is not the same animal that 'Morning in
America' Reagan ruined.
And those were union jobs, quite a pattern there.
Mopar151
(9,975 posts)Waayyyy too many "royals", who get a check from oil money every month, and blow it on shows of wealth. Saudi production cost is much lower than ours - fracking ain't so frackin' cheap!
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)mike_c
(36,269 posts)Most local stations are currently charging $3.46-$3.59 per gallon here. Some weeks ago it was in the $2.80 range. It has been steadily going up again in recent weeks.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)How 'things' have changed in 6 short years