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Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:37 AM

LCWR 'stunned' by Vatican's latest move

Source: National Catholic Reporter

The largest leadership organization for U.S. women religious says it was "stunned" by the announcement Wednesday that the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith had ordered it to reform its statutes and had appointed an archbishop to oversee its revision.
"The presidency of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious was stunned by the conclusions of the doctrinal assessment of LCWR by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith," the group said in a news release Thursday morning.

According to the document from the congregation, Sartain is to be given authority over the group in five areas, including:
Revising LCWR statutes;
Reviewing LCWR plans and programs;
Creating new programs for the organization;
Reviewing and offering guidance on the application of liturgical texts; and
Reviewing LCWR's affiliations with other organizations, citing specifically NETWORK and the Resource Center for Religious Institutes.

The document from the congregation re-emphasizes the reason for the doctrinal assessment, writing that Levada told LCWR leadership in 2008 that the congregation had three major areas of concern with the group:
The content of speakers' addresses at the annual LCWR assemblies;
"Corporate dissent" in the congregation regarding the church's sexual teachings; and
"A prevalence of certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith" present in some of the organizations programs and presentations.

Read more: http://ncronline.org/news/women-religious/lcwr-stunned-vaticans-latest-move



The Sisters have supported Obama, especially the Health Care reform Act.

The Sisters actually read, studied and followed the documents of Vatican II.

In most parishes, its the Sisters who do the work of teaching children and adults, as well as visiting the sick and infirm; not the priests.

I believe the Sisters are closer to understanding and following the teachings of Christ than the bishops.

If it comes to it, I'm following the Sisters!

If it comes down to it

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Reply LCWR 'stunned' by Vatican's latest move (Original post)
hedgehog Apr 2012 OP
Mz Pip Apr 2012 #1
catbyte Apr 2012 #2
SharonAnn Apr 2012 #6
catbyte Apr 2012 #9
nolabear Apr 2012 #3
benld74 Apr 2012 #4
Arugula Latte Apr 2012 #5
SharonAnn Apr 2012 #8
Kelvin Mace Apr 2012 #7
LongTomH Apr 2012 #12
Kelvin Mace Apr 2012 #40
Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #10
Frances Apr 2012 #11
hedgehog Apr 2012 #13
lovuian Apr 2012 #29
hedgehog Apr 2012 #35
tru Apr 2012 #42
Amonester Apr 2012 #16
Cal33 Apr 2012 #14
Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #15
JDPriestly Apr 2012 #26
hedgehog Apr 2012 #33
patrice Apr 2012 #17
ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2012 #18
Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2012 #19
Cal33 Apr 2012 #27
Odin2005 Apr 2012 #20
hedgehog Apr 2012 #21
cliffordu Apr 2012 #22
ArtiChoke Apr 2012 #23
hedgehog Apr 2012 #24
radhika Apr 2012 #25
Cal33 Apr 2012 #28
radhika Apr 2012 #31
hedgehog Apr 2012 #34
Cal33 Apr 2012 #37
lovuian Apr 2012 #30
hedgehog Apr 2012 #32
BootinUp Apr 2012 #36
Marrah_G Apr 2012 #38
hedgehog Apr 2012 #39
truebrit71 Apr 2012 #41
eringer Apr 2012 #43

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:43 AM

1. 11th century patriarchal thinking

Seems the church is getting desperate in its attempt to hold onto outdated patriarchal dogma.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:45 AM

2. Of course the sisters are closer

They're the ones in the trenches and know what is what. The bishops and cardinals are red-robed Masters of the Universe in their ivory towers. Totally clueless. Completely political. Barely righteous.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:04 PM

6. The men are just "bachelors wearing dresses".

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Response to SharonAnn (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:08 PM

9. LOL

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:49 AM

3. Like the song says, Sisters Are Doing it for Themselves.

And we all need to jump in the line!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:52 AM

4. Stunning? No just ignorant

HOW, for ALL the years of covering birth control in their health plans, they NOW realize they were doing it? THAT is just ludicrous at best, ignorant all around.
NOTHING was stated before Obama, NOW all HOLY H8LL breaks out!

Sickens my stomach,,,,,

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:55 AM

5. Sisters: Just walk away from Churchco.

It will crumble without women.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:06 PM

8. Yes, I walked away and, if asked, explain why.

I cannot support an organization that will not let people like me fully participate in leadership and membership roles.

I cannot support an organization that formally dictates what I and people like me can do while having different rules for others.

To me, that's pretty simple.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:05 PM

7. BTW, for non-Catholics out there

The "Council for the Doctrine of the Faithful" is the The Inquisition, the organization Pope Rat of which was Gruppenfuhrer.

Yes, The Inquisition still exists.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:17 PM

12. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition



"Our chief weapons are fear and surprise!"

Oh, and nice red uniforms!

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:53 PM

40. Well, technically

they are the Roman Inquisition. But everything else is true. Then again, I have been expecting the Inquisition ever since they appoint the Chief Inquisitor (and ex-Nazi) pope.

(Then again, arguments can be made about the "ex" part.)

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:09 PM

10. It's the Republicanization of the Church's Bishop Class.

They've thrown their lot in with Republicans and I hope they pay dearly with their remaining congregations...unlike governing institutions, the association with the Church is voluntary and they can send a real message by stop suppoting them at Mass and at the collection plate. Just say no, Sisters!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:16 PM

11. War on Women?

Are the Bishops declaring war on Catholic women?

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Response to Frances (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:17 PM

13. Yes.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:54 PM

29. It has to do with having a voice at Conclave and a seat at the table



Women have Rights

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Response to lovuian (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:11 PM

35. Perhaps a more accurate representation?

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:32 PM

42. on his right

 

I hope that's Mary Magdalene. I always thought they were, shall we say, close and the later creeps trashed her reputation.

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Response to Frances (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:26 PM

16. Hasn't it ALWAYS been any different?

I mean, since the third century (more or less)?

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:21 PM

14. Well, both Nostradamus and a sainted Irish mystic (who lived 3 centuries before Nostradamus)

named only one more pope after the present one. They gave no explanations,
they simply stopped listing further names. I wonder what it might mean.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:25 PM

15. It's really not a surprise

When you have speakers at your conferences talking about moving beyond the Church and beyond Jesus, whatever you are, you ain't Catholic no more.

Yes, the Pope is still Christian and Catholic. Everybody knew this was coming.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/women_religious_leadership_conference_faces_investigation_for_continued_problems/
She described the Benedictine Women of Madison as having a commitment to “ecumenism” which led them “beyond the exclusivity of the Catholic Church into a new inclusivity, where all manner of seeking God is welcomed. They are certainly religious women, but they are no longer women religious as it is defined by the Roman Catholic Church. They choose as a congregation to step outside the Church in order to step into a greater sense of holiness. Theirs was a choice of integrity, insight and courage.”


When you announce in public that you aren't Catholic any more, don't expect the Catholic church not to take notice!

That particular speaker was critical of traditional Catholic women's orders, and I do believe that some of them complained.

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Response to Yo_Mama (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:09 PM

26. The insularity of the Catholic Church is an anachronism.

It is the Evangelical and very liberal churches that are expanding their influence in the world.

Getting along well with others is one of the keys to success. That key is not on this Pope's chain.

The Catholic Church always struggles against progress. This is the Catholic Church that supported Hitler as Hitler carried some of its nuns off to prison camp.

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Response to Yo_Mama (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:25 PM

33. Be careful when citing sources from the Right wing of the Church -

there is a tendency to take words out of context and otherwise misrepresent liberals.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:48 PM

17. Let's all guess how much access the Congregation has given Robert P. George on these issues.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:51 PM

18. "Sit. Heel. Stay! Roll over!" At last, the Vatican

gets to stomp out the last vestige of women's rights in the church.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:52 PM

19. I was taught by Dominicans for 12 years --

some of the finest people I've ever known.

If only THEY ran the Vatican/Catholic Church....my how different things would be.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:43 PM

27. It was exactly the Dominican Order that was ordered by the popes to run the Inquisition

during the Middle Ages. The important thing is that the Catholic Church no longer
has the worldly power that she did at that time. The saying "Power corrupts, and
absolute power corrupts absolutely" applies to everyone. Clerics, in general, are
much nicer people today than they were then.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:18 PM

20. Fucking assholes, the nuns and Jesuits are the only decent part of the RCC.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:19 PM

21. Hey - don't forget the Franciscans and Benedictines!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:32 PM

22. Ah, yes, Deathcult 2000 at it again....

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 02:03 PM

23. John 16:12

...when Rome tries to reign in the Holy Spirit I have to laugh.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 02:04 PM

24. The men in red silk dresses are frightened by

women in pants!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 02:46 PM

25. What did these women expect - seriously?

The entire history of the Catholic Church has been anti-women.

Agreed: they aren't burning us these days (as far as I know). But they adamantly refuse to admit women into the priesthood, control and dominate women's bodies in matters of reproduction and health, block women from sharing the goodies in areas of power, wealth and dominance. Equality is not the way that obscenely wealthy and increasingly perverse patriarchy rolls. And they ain't gonna change.

My question to LCWR is what made them sign up for this life, in that organization in the first place? For a person who is naturally spiritual and/or altruistic, there are many other paths. Ladies, think about your choices.

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Response to radhika (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:51 PM

28. Maybe some of them were very young when they joined up, and have changed their minds as

they matured.

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 04:46 PM

31. This is an opportunity to start a New Religion - I hope they do! n/t

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Response to radhika (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:33 PM

34. I'm not looking for a new religion - I'm looking for a way to free

my religion from the control of a tight clique of old men. St. Peter wasn't the first Pope, he wasn't even Bishop of Rome! The Church got along fine for many years without the Vatican, it can do so again! What happens next may be the first steps in that process.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #34)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:24 AM

37. If you're relatively young, you may get your wish. Some people do believe that

there will be only one more pope after the present one - named by
Nostradamus and the sainted Irish mystic who lived 300 years before
Nostradamus.

Yes, new religions are literally born every day. I had a neighbor once
who brought me to her church. It was a nice medium-sized building
and looked very new. I asked her how many members there were.
She said,"150." I said, "I mean, throughout the whole country." She
replied that this was it, the only one. It was started 10 years
previously by two men. It was of the evangelical, fundamentalist
genre: those who didn't believe in their way of interpreting the
Bible would go to you know where.

Later on I read that there were some 20,000 such religions or sects in the
US alone!

My guess is that the USA alone has more such tiny sects than the rest of
the world put together.

Do we really need more of them?

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Response to radhika (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 03:56 PM

30. They want to change the Vatican

one of the most powerful organizations in the World
I commend them

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Response to radhika (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 05:23 PM

32. I think the opposite is true.

There has almost always been a lot of anti-feminist feeling at the top since Constantine made us the state religion. On the other hand, when women started running convents, it was women running convents! They were a place for those with a real vocation and those who were discarded by a male society (widows, extra daughters without dowries, women who didn't want to marry, etc.) to go and live as independent a life as possible given the times. It was also one place where women could get an education! For many women in this country in the 19th and early 20th centuries, entering the convent offered an escape from being an unpaid maid to the rest of the family! As noted above, since the Women's Rights Movement of the late 60's, women have had other alternatives and have seized them.

What we have here is a power grab by the Vatican trying to seize control of these communities of lay women and their assets!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 10:35 PM

36. No surprise really.

The Church is so hard right at the top now, all dissent will be silenced!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:44 AM

38. So apparently the church doesn't even trust them to lead themselves.

If the Vatican disappeared from the Earth it would be an improvement for civilization.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:31 AM

39. Amen!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:24 PM

41. x2

...That cult of child-buggerers disgusts me..

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:33 PM

43. Ratzinger - A Good Friend of the Republican Party


"Don't worry George, I will make it hell on earth for the Democrat Party just for you."

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