Ohio girl, 11, charged with murder in 2-month-old's death
Source: AP
By MARK GILLISPIE
CLEVELAND (AP) An 11-year-old suburban girl has been charged with murder in the beating death of a 2-month-old who was staying overnight with her and her mother to give the baby's mom a break.
The 11-year-old, her mother and the baby girl, Zuri Whitehead, were on a couch downstairs when the mother fell asleep at about 3 a.m. Friday, Wickliffe police Chief Randy Ice said at a news conference Monday. The mother was awakened less than an hour later by her daughter, who was holding the badly injured infant. Ice said the 11-year-old took the infant upstairs. When she returned downstairs, the infant was bleeding and her head was badly swollen, he said.
The 11-year-old's mother immediately called 911, Ice said. Zuri was flown to a children's trauma center in Cleveland, where she died.
The mother of the 11-year-old and Zuri's mother, Trina Whitehead, have known each other for five or six years but aren't related, Ice said. Trina Whitehead has three other children and had the girl's mother keep Zuri, of Cleveland, overnight to give her a breather.
FULL story at link.
Lake County Juvenile Court Judge Karen Lawson, back, tells an 11-year-old girl her rights on Monday, Feb. 9, 2015 in Painesville, Ohio. Police say the 11-year-old girl has been charged with murder in the beating death of a 2-month-old who was staying overnight with the girl and her mother to give the baby's mom a break. A juvenile judge entered a not guilty plea for the girl on Monday. She remains in the Lake County juvenile detention center and will receive a competency evaluation. (AP Photo/The News Herald, Duncan Scott)
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shenmue
(38,506 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)How dreadful for both mothers/families.
Wtf.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)regarding the 11 year old. I would want a guardian ad litem, and serious psychiatric help for this 11 year old....
The narrative stinks....it really does.
rug
(82,333 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)tell me what happened.
rug
(82,333 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)secure their safety, first, and make sure they are being protected. You would secure the process to get evidence.
But you would not ask your client for a narrative until they were well enough to do so.
rug
(82,333 posts)How exactly would you ensure his or her safety? The police don't have to do a damn thing no matter what you say.
The time to ensure your client's safety is at the arraignment when, based on your interview of the client, you can ask the court to order all sorts of things including protective custody, medical attention and, as here, a competency examination.
On the other hand, if you ask what happened, you may to your surprise discover you have a factually innocent client. There were three people there: the infant, the juvenile, and the mother. One's dead, the other's charged and about to be questioned by a psychiatrist or psychologist who will report to both the court and the prosecution, and the mother who could be arrested or sued or both depending on the outcome of this case.
This girl needs Johnny Cochran first, Dorothea Dix second.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Second, I wouldn't be able to interview my client....because she needs medical attention.
Third....regardless of whether or not I had a factually innocent client, the mother is the prime person I am investigating.
rug
(82,333 posts)And you can't delay the arraignment; the court must exercise jurisdiction promptly. That's why they have hospital arraignments.
Why on earth would you assume she needs medical attention? The article mentions nothing about physical injuries.
A lawyer in a case like this cannot assume the client is both guilty and crazy.
If he or she is, you'll know it soon enough and move on to Plan B. But, geez, the representation has to start with some questions and not assumptions.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Of course she needs medical attention. She's 11. The experience has been traumatic.
As a lawyer, I would assume nothing.
There's no rush to arraignment....the smart move here is to block the mother from any and all contact.
rug
(82,333 posts)I've done dozens of hospital arraignments because delays are exceedingly rare and for exceedingly short times.
The trauma, of the arrest if not a murder, isn't amenable to quick treatment beyond drugs, which is not the best state of mind for a defendant being arraigned on murder charges.
What happened here is typical. The charges were read, the court entered a not guilty plea, assumed jurisdiction of the case and the defendant, and ordered a competency exam to see if she was competent to proceed. If she is deemed incompetent, the arraignment is not voided on that basis, or for suspicion of mental trauma.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I've delayed consultation with my client for weeks. It depends on what the circumstances are.
The main person I am investigating is the mother...that's who I want to interview, before she lawyers up....because the narrative here stinks.
rug
(82,333 posts)The judge cold issue an order of protection barring the mother from contacting the child.
Who knows? The mother may be innocent, the child guilty, but yeah, she's the key witness.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)It's also a lot smarter. Her lawyer should make it easier.
how much of a difference will it make for an 11-year-old girl? Do 11-year-olds really understand confidentiality?
rug
(82,333 posts)"I can not tell anyone what you tell me. Not your mother, not your father, not your teacher. Not the judge. My only job is to help you through this."
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)In Family Court New York moved from assigning attorneys as guardians ad litem to assigning them as attorneys for the child.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)nominal.
I'd block the mother from being involved. But hell....I stopped doing juvenile law because of the parents, not the kids.
rug
(82,333 posts)I tell them, not even your mother because she can be subpoenaed to repeat it.
I also tell them to say nothing to me if anyone else is in the room because there is no privilege there.
With my client's permission, I'll share discovery and police reports with the parents so they know the basis of the charges, There's a big difference between revealing what the police say and what your client says.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)The girl does not suffer from any mental problems, Ice said. She's being evaluated by mental health professionals at the detention center.
The police chief said he's not sure whether the girl fully understands what happened.
"She knew that something was wrong, but I don't think she appreciates the gravity of what just occurred," Ice said.
http://www.cleveland.com/wickliffe/index.ssf/2015/02/11-year-old_wickliffe_girl_acc.html#incart_m-rpt-1
rug
(82,333 posts)They should not, and do not, hear that from the mouth of the juvenile defendant.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Does an 11 y.o. have any idea about the meaning of what the judge said?
Instead, the judge should issue an order to prohibit any interrogation.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)All that budget slashing by John Kasich is coming home to roost. The child protective services and mental health services here in Ohio budgets have been cut to the point of having little or no help to the mentally ill or the abused/abusers. Ohio is very well into third world territory and going down fast. Metropolitan Cleveland had an infant mortality rate of 12.9 deaths per 1,000 live births 2012. This is perfectly acceptable with the Ohio GOP. It is OK for these children to die after birth.
This story needs to be investigated very thoroughly. The 11 year old probably needs to be in some sort of protection with a court appointed representative to look out for her best interests. Oh my heavens, this is beyond tragedy.
Laffy Kat
(16,376 posts)Just can't understand why ANY system would try ANY child as an adult.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Great point.
Vic Tree
(90 posts)patricia92243
(12,595 posts)get more leniency than the mother. It just seems odd that a kid that young would beat a child to death. I would think you had to be pretty strong to beat a child to death.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)The 11 year old on the other hand would not have any impulse control nor would she know how fragile a newborn is. I seriously doubt it was the mom. Also she had to do was call her friend and say "Pick her up."
Bit surprised no one has suggested that if the 2 month old was armed, she could have defended herself. I thought guns were going to make all our problems go away.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)However it happened it is a terrible tragedy.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)in the skull after birth iirc, may not have even closed yet.
11 year old easily has enough strength, especially with the leverage of a weapon, or just the extra leverage from swinging the body.
Whatever may have influenced her reasons for being that angry and out of touch may also contribute to even more strength being applied.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)At that stage, I was still nursing and wildly smitten. Nobody could have prised my kids away for any reason.
Such a sad story
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)mother can be exhausted and need some rest. I nursed all my kids, but this child may have been bottle fed.
sybylla
(8,507 posts)While I am thrilled that raising your babies wasn't the brain-crushing, heart-rending chore it proves to be for so many. It has nothing to do with the fact that this mother left her baby in the care of people she trusted.
Your reaction smacks of the worst kind of arrogant woman-splaining that is so commom among a certain corp of mothers who think they are on some special pedistal from which they can judge. It's hard enough in this world being a mother (especially a new mother) without this class of woman breathing down your neck 24/7.
We do not know the circumstances of the mother, whether she had other support in the household, the quality of that relationship, if the baby had health issues that demanded more care than normal.
My bigger point is that none of that matters; it's the equivalent of asking a rape victim what she was wearing.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)That's bullshit. I've been very forthright about the troubles with my one daughter. I've never put myself on a parenting pedestal at all. No, my kids were not colicky but my niece was probably the worst relentlessly colicky baby ever so I've seen that life very intimately (my sister lives in the same town) and her baby and mine are a year apart.
I just simply couldn't imagine needing a break from my baby at two months... yet. Oh certainly later but two months old seems very quick to need a breather from parenting for a night.
One thing is right about your post however. We certainly don't know the whole story.
RobinA
(9,888 posts)this mother had several other children.