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Ptah

(33,019 posts)
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:17 PM Apr 2012

Brewer vetoes guns in public buildings bill

Source: Arizona Daily Star (Tucson)

PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer has vetoed a bill that would have allowed guns in public buildings.

The governor’s office announced the veto Tuesday. The bill proposed permitting gun owners to carry
firearms into government facilities that lacked security.

The bill would have required the use of law enforcement officers or armed security guards with metal
detectors or X-ray machines. Signs and storage lockers would also be needed.




Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/state-and-regional/brewer-vetoes-guns-in-public-buildings-bill/article_c3f830d0-88ea-11e1-95b4-0019bb2963f4.html



A small step, glad to hear it.
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Brewer vetoes guns in public buildings bill (Original Post) Ptah Apr 2012 OP
I can only guess that the reason she vetoed this Drale Apr 2012 #1
That's what I thought too Politicalboi Apr 2012 #8
Different take (still self-serving) salin Apr 2012 #15
I buy the money argument: it would cost too much to install metal detectors everywhere (nt) Recursion Apr 2012 #30
That makes no sense hack89 Apr 2012 #33
I guess she had to throw everyone off... Fritz67 Apr 2012 #2
I guess she's not a COMPLETE asshole. marmar Apr 2012 #3
? elleng Apr 2012 #4
Oops....I left out the word "not" ..... amended. marmar Apr 2012 #5
Thanks, mar; elleng Apr 2012 #13
well of course florida08 Apr 2012 #6
I suspect this had more to do with the money aspect more than anything. cstanleytech Apr 2012 #7
"OOhh, yummy, guns…" MrScorpio Apr 2012 #9
How would such a law stop a determined shooter? hack89 Apr 2012 #34
Because Jan could show up in the crosshairs. muntrv Apr 2012 #10
A momentary lapse into sanity. caseymoz Apr 2012 #11
What bullshit! The Constitution says guns everywhere 24/7, regardless of age or place! onehandle Apr 2012 #12
What business did people have that required carrying a gun into those buildings? Kolesar Apr 2012 #14
It's obvious you silly! Kelvin Mace Apr 2012 #16
If You Outlaw Guns In Public Buildings... you know the rest (n/t) wellst0nev0ter Apr 2012 #26
the question is... krkaufman Apr 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Kolesar Apr 2012 #21
Probably because of the elevated number of crazies COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #25
Will a law and a couple of signs stop those crazies? hack89 Apr 2012 #35
Well, the idea is that the woman with the deranged psycho ex who carries a gun in case he comes back Recursion Apr 2012 #29
What's good for the goose.... krkaufman Apr 2012 #17
Any reason why? I thought she'd be rooting for that. freshwest Apr 2012 #19
It would cost a lot to retrofit older government buildings Recursion Apr 2012 #28
Or conversely, the metal detectors would simply identify who is armed. Then they could show their freshwest Apr 2012 #31
Her letter to the House Speaker (pdf at her official website): pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #20
After Gabby Gifford, Brewer is a little leery of her local gun nuts jpak Apr 2012 #22
Why that no good commie swine! mikeSchmuckabee Apr 2012 #23
Just a ploy The Wizard Apr 2012 #24
So the right to bear arms is curtailed only where the curtailment can't be enforced? Recursion Apr 2012 #27
You are forgetting that "gun free zone" signs have magical properties. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #36
WILLIAM AYERS! Cosmocat Apr 2012 #32

Drale

(7,932 posts)
1. I can only guess that the reason she vetoed this
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:20 PM
Apr 2012

is because she is afraid for her life. I could be wrong but Repukes never do anything without gaining something for themselves in return.

salin

(48,955 posts)
15. Different take (still self-serving)
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:53 PM
Apr 2012

would guess that this was three weeks ago she might have signed it. I am guessing that the self preservation (for political office) involved the BIG public spotlight on ALEC, and the ties to gun legislation + the number of big corporate sponsors of Alec that went running to the hills. Suddenly being against such a bill might be more politically expedient than signing it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
33. That makes no sense
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:12 AM
Apr 2012

the law said that the public could carry in public buildings that had no metal detectors and other security. Which means that if someone wanted to kill her in such a building, there would be nothing to stop them. She would be in as much danger with such a law as without - unless you think laws and signs are magical talismans that will somehow stop a determined killer. You can bet that her building has metal detectors and armed guards.

That, being said, I agree with her veto. While her veto has no impact on public safety, it does reflects public sentiment.

Fritz67

(353 posts)
2. I guess she had to throw everyone off...
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:21 PM
Apr 2012

...and do something that actually sounds sane for once. Keep us guessing maybe.

I'm sure she'll do something Teabaggy in the extreme to make up for it, though.

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
7. I suspect this had more to do with the money aspect more than anything.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:34 PM
Apr 2012

"The bill would have required the use of law enforcement officers or armed security guards with metal
detectors or X-ray machines. Signs and storage lockers would also be needed."

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
9. "OOhh, yummy, guns…"
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:37 PM
Apr 2012

"Guns, I love guns and I love the 2nd Amendment. Wait a sec, 'Guns in state buildings?' I work in a state building. Uh… I think I'll veto this."

hack89

(39,171 posts)
34. How would such a law stop a determined shooter?
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:14 AM
Apr 2012

I agree with the veto but this law does nothing for the safety of public officials that work in buildings without security.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
12. What bullshit! The Constitution says guns everywhere 24/7, regardless of age or place!
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:01 PM
Apr 2012

My toddler open carries to pre-school. WTF is so sacred about public buildings?

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
14. What business did people have that required carrying a gun into those buildings?
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:09 PM
Apr 2012

How was a gun necessary to meet with a legislator or a public worker?

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
16. It's obvious you silly!
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 11:23 PM
Apr 2012

You need a gun in a government building to protect your from other people in the building with guns.

krkaufman

(13,433 posts)
18. the question is...
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 12:24 AM
Apr 2012

... why are these buildings being treated any differently than every other building or place of work? It simply seems a different standard when the risk is to their own legislative skin.

Response to krkaufman (Reply #18)

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
25. Probably because of the elevated number of crazies
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:31 AM
Apr 2012

(armed) out there who are convinced that 'the gubmint' is their enemy.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
35. Will a law and a couple of signs stop those crazies?
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:51 AM
Apr 2012

I have no problem with her veto but it has no impact on public safety one way or the other. Gun free zones only stop the law abiding - they are not protect from those crazies that concern you.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
29. Well, the idea is that the woman with the deranged psycho ex who carries a gun in case he comes back
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 04:03 PM
Apr 2012

shouldn't have to travel to and from the court where she's renewing the restraining order disarmed.

krkaufman

(13,433 posts)
17. What's good for the goose....
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 12:23 AM
Apr 2012

... well, screw the goose!

Yet another classic example of Conservatives legislating a different standard for themselves. The public must be subjected to the dangers of concealed weapons and trigger-happy vigilantes, but not so the legislative lords.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
28. It would cost a lot to retrofit older government buildings
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 04:02 PM
Apr 2012

The title is a little bit misleading: the bill said that if an agency wants to forbid you from carrying a legal, licensed firearm into it, they have to provide metal detectors and security guards so that everyone who comes in is actually in fact disarmed.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. Or conversely, the metal detectors would simply identify who is armed. Then they could show their
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 04:21 PM
Apr 2012

Authorization to carry and get an identifying badge while in the building, so there would be no surprises.

The police inside the building would be armed, but wearing uniforms, so people know what to expect.

I thought all government buildings had metal detectors installed years ago, though.

mikeSchmuckabee

(349 posts)
23. Why that no good commie swine!
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:03 AM
Apr 2012

How dare she infringe on my god given right to take my guns anywhere?! So long freedom in arizona! My guns and I will be staying in florida.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. So the right to bear arms is curtailed only where the curtailment can't be enforced?
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 04:01 PM
Apr 2012

The bill said that if a government building wants to disarm you when you enter, it should actually have security and metal detectors so that all the people coming in are actually disarmed. I guess Jan doesn't like the idea of paying for that.

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
32. WILLIAM AYERS!
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:25 AM
Apr 2012

Association counts SO MUCH.

Except, of course, Mittens is an R, so ...

Big yawn and pass by the "liberal media."

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