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Tue May 13, 2014, 02:53 PM

If you hate the DU jury system, you're going to hate this.



Introducing



www.discussionist.com



It has been two-and-a-half years since we launched the jury system as part of the DU3 upgrade, and during that time we've observed it closely and made a number of changes and improvements. Overall, we believe it has succeeded well beyond our original expectations.

Yet throughout the long process of creating the jury system and watching it in action, a question has continued to intrigue us: How well would this work if we weren't using it under such tightly-controlled conditions? That is to say, what would happen if the jury system were tried outside the relatively protected cocoon of Democratic Underground, in an open-to-all environment without ideological boundaries, where the community itself can truly take the lead in setting its own standards?

This is not an experiment we could ever hope (or would ever wish) to try here at DU. To quote from our own About page, DU is "a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints." Therefore the jury system needs to be backed up by an active team of administrators and MIRT members who must intervene to ensure that the site does not stray too far from its intended purpose.

So we thought we would try the experiment somewhere else. If you like the jury system, and if you are curious about the possibilities, then we invite you to take a look at Discussionist.


What is Discussionist?

Discussionist is a general-interest discussion forum with a focus on current events. Unlike Democratic Underground, Discussionist is intended to be open to a wide range of different worldviews. It is not a safe-haven for a particular viewpoint, but we believe that the jury system will allow for robust, passionate discussions while maintaining a level of civility which is acceptable to the broad range of members.

We have also experimented with a new way to organize discussions. The site is separated into 11 top-level categories: news, politics, culture, sports, science, tech, money, health, life, beliefs, and fun. Within each category, every new discussion thread can be assigned to as many as 10 different forums via a simple tagging system. If someone tags a post with a tag that has not yet been used, a new forum is automatically created for that tag. In this manner, the community can spontaneously create a multitude of different forums, and content from those different forums will cross-pollinate throughout the site.

Discussionist is built on the same discussion forum software that runs Democratic Underground. So if you are familiar with DU, or with discussion forums in general, you shouldn't have too much difficulty over on Discussionist. You will notice that we have made a number of changes, both big and small, but overall the software should seem pretty familiar to you.


What does this mean for Democratic Underground?

In a word: nothing. Democratic Underground will still be here, same as it's ever been. All your friends will still be here. All the interesting and aggravating discussions will still be here. And the administrators will still be here, too. Other than being created by the same three people, Discussionist is intended to be entirely independent from Democratic Underground.


How do I join?

Just go to discussionist.com and create an account.

We encourage you to sign up with a different username from the one you use here at DU. The message board culture is going to be different over there, and it might be more fun with a different name. Don't expect to find Skinner, EarlG, or Elad posting over on Discusionist; we've changed our names too. (If you simply must use the same username, you can request it here on DU by sending a DU Mail message to Elad with the title "Discussionist username" so he can release your name to you. We have set aside all usernames from DU so trolls can't grab them on Discussionist, but we have not copied over your email or password for privacy reasons.)


A word about inevitable glitches

Discussionist is still in "beta" and there is a good chance that you may find some bugs, or stray references to "Democratic Underground" when you are over there. If you do have any problems, please post them in the Help section so we can fix them.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 02:57 PM

1. Thanks Skinner

I'll sign up for that.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 02:58 PM

2. Sounds intriguing and looks great.

Good luck!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 02:58 PM

3. As long as it is civil, I will probably enjoy it.

Thank you.

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Tue May 13, 2014, 05:02 PM

93. Heh...

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #3)

Thu May 15, 2014, 08:03 PM

262. Civility? That will last about one nanosecond.

If the new place is to be more 'open' than DU where juries allow one poster to call another 'fecal cranium'! Oh well, maybe it will draw off some of the more vicious trolls who won't have so much time to infest DU. That might make it worthwhile.

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #262)

Fri May 16, 2014, 01:17 AM

263. One can hope.

I used to be a member of a site that asked for paid membership.

It was not terribly popular, but I got close to the board members. It is defunct now, but it had a wide variety of opinions, though mostly individuals from the Kerry board.

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #262)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:03 AM

287. I'm Upset At The Censorship Here

There was an article I was responding to about top conservative politicians in Great Britain running a pedophile ring in the 80s. It's related to the Jimmy Saville scandal at BBC where top executives are being asked to explain how they let this creep around kids after finding out he raped or molested literally 1000s of kids in 40 years and it was obvious what was occurring. There have been articles daily for two years about this scandal. What did I do to get hidden and labeled a conspiracy theorist? I said we had a similar scandal from the 80s where similar names have been mentioned which two books have been written about. They even implicated BBC then covering up. The first was The Franklin Cover-Up and more recently child advocate Nick Bryant wrote The Franklin Scandal. The article itself was just as "conspiracy"(oooh scary) as my comments mentioning the books. So why is my comment deemed inadmissible?? I lost 4-3 because of unfair, fearful minds. I thought it was poignant because the forward was written by William Colby supporting the results. Do these so called jurists even know who he is? Where do they get their info the RNC? Colby supported the conclusions and as CIA Director in the early 70s he said he saw this activity firsthand both to create leverage to blackmail and sickening S&M ritualistic personal peccadillos. I think Colby has credibility being a cabinet member. The mentioning itself of these books drew the dismissal. Many Democratic representatives held hearings about the abuse too. It's one thing to be overly scared of your appearance and being afraid of talking about conspiracy theories but this article was a conspiracy theory itself and not in the Creative Speculation section where Coincidence Theorists like to relegate people like the Free Speech Zones conservatives tell anti-war protestors where to go.

I think anyone juried should be able to giver a terse (unlike my long comment here) response in defense to sway those jumping to conclusions.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #287)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:29 AM

288. Your suggestion would indeed improve matters. Wish it could be that way

but we both know it never will.

What happened to you was a severe miscarriage of justice. Depending on the luck of the draw, it could've been due partly to long-held grudges and payback. Even DU is chock full of trolls and perhaps even worse, people with brains enough to know better. Having brains doesn't always innocculate against stupidity, though, does it? Or low morals.

Case in point: the SOB who recently delighted in broadcasting his opinion of my general location. Called me an idiot for complaining and he clung to the position that just because he COULD be a jerk, that justified it. Although he did delete the worst post, I personally believe he should be entirely banned from the whole website as he's certain to re-offend with his foul attitude.

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #288)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:16 PM

289. Birthers

The birthers unfortunately tainted all conspiracy theories which is sophomoric. Just because we realize they are asinine doesn't mean we should paint a broad brush over things like JFK or Gulf Of Tonkin. This guy said Franklin was a hoax and that's not close too true. The irony is that some of the jurists (as they stated) did a quick google search and believed the first thing they read. Isn't that what they are complaining that conspiracy theorists are doing? The fact of the matter is EVERYONE comes in with their predetermined prejudices with way and these are based on how their overall belief systems are structured. But sometimes the conspiracy theorists are right and sometimes the coincidence theorists are right. Only the facts know for sure. I do know this. The author of the first book was a decorated Vietnam vet and Neb. State Senator whose integrity was so heralded that the CIA Director from the early 70s who he served with wrote the forward in 1995. And he mentioned that Dick Cheney was involved in evil things. The second book written in 2007 was written by Nick Bryant...celebrated child advocate and Oprah sponsored author. And lastly BBC had a full documentary airing on the Franklin Cover-Up in the late 90s but was yanked an hour before airtime. As it turns out the BBC executives at the time are now being implicated by those who were children then and that is all over the news in Great Britain for two years now. The weakling who said I was peddling a hoax is the same type of guy who would've defended Jerry Sandusky whose pedophile organization was one of Bush Sr's 1000 points of light. Wake up. Just because you're rich and powerful doesn't excuse you from criminality or make you a saint. I wish I was right with those who run this site just to tell them the history and nothing more.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #289)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 10:27 PM

290. While I'm all for informed hypothesis, there's a time to admit the preponderance of evidence and

which way the wind blows, too. Even normally stinkpot sources sometimes get it right; for instance the National Enquirer on John Edwards.

Everything you said is entirely right. The Sandusky business grieves me, not only for the devastated victims but also the crass motives of those engaged in the coverup for so many years. They were all bowing down to the Golden Calf of Wall Street. Even today some of the guilty still have ardent supporters. That's always the case with these monsters.

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #290)

Wed Nov 19, 2014, 01:15 AM

291. Sanduskys "Children's Charity"

It actually was one of Bush Sr's 1000 Points Of Light. I hardly believe Jerry was the only one committing these crimes. Pedophiles who act outside the family often operate in rings and share the abuse.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #291)

Wed Nov 19, 2014, 01:47 AM

292. Too true. And even after an avalanche of evidence, too many people STILL live in denial.

I guess they can't face their own complicity. It's like that old saying, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #292)

Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:01 AM

293. Like All Mindblowing Realities

Their predetermined belief systems can't handle it. They think about what only neatly fits because it's too much work to have to reorganize their entire belief system that's is predicated, founded on and structured with certain perceptions. It's actually quite sad and pathetic when you see people we are aligned with like here on DU that can't make that step. They just live in the bubble that surrounds the conservatives bubble. It's like Hunter S Thompson said," When the going gets weird the weird turn pro."

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 02:59 PM

4. I'm very excited.

You guys are fucking geniuses.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:00 PM

5. I sorta like the open forum

although I am not sure how it will work in practice.

But I am not that interested in current events.

I'd kinda like to see progressives DRIVE the discussion rather than just chase after the latest shiny object the M$M throws out there and wants us to care about.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #5)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:02 PM

11. The truth is that Discussionist is going to be whatever the members make of it.

I suspect it will be focused on current events because that is what drives discussion here. But you never know.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #11)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:00 PM

180. My first thought upon reading your OP here six hours ago was: Lord of the Flies?



I haven't registered there yet, and probably won't, for anyone who might be curious.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #180)

Tue May 20, 2014, 01:20 AM

273. Indeed!

Lord of the flies was exactly what came to my mind. Censorship is dangerous.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:00 PM

6. Nice forum you've got. There's nobody there!

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Response to JVS (Reply #6)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:36 PM

137. Without Kitty videos it's doomed

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Response to JVS (Reply #6)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:33 PM

172. Nice forum you got...

it would be a shame if anything happened to it . Sorry that line went through my head when I read your post.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #172)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:51 PM

175. I was channeling the first DU post

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Response to JVS (Reply #175)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:52 PM

176. Ah yes...

I like it when they post the recap of the first week every now and then.

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Response to JVS (Reply #6)

Wed May 21, 2014, 10:59 AM

278. OMG, a sort of pop culture reference I got

Well, if pop culture was DU, or whatever.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:01 PM

7. Wow....this sounds like something that is gonna take off! I wish you luck and prosperity!

In my view, you guys run the cleanest, most user-friendly discussion board on the entire internet. It's just EASY to navigate!

Auguri-L'Chaim-Congratulations-Huzzah, and all that. May this be a grand success for you. Maybe it'll give the trolllie-O's somewhere to fight, too!

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Response to MADem (Reply #7)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:11 PM

153. The message board UI is really well done....nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:01 PM

9. Will posters be assured that the opinions they have in the Discussionist website, won't cause them

to lose their DU accounts? Inevitably, there will be people who will make the necessary connections to figure out, who is who.

I assume, that if you open Discussionist to everyone, there is going to be some heated exchanges, not to mention the usual problem of posting while drunk.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #9)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:09 PM

20. DU members will not get banned from DU because of something they post on Discussionist.

I can only imagine one exception: If someone on Discussionist admits that they are trolling Democratic Underground -- and if we have rock-solid proof that they are in fact same person -- then we will ban that person from Democratic Underground as an admitted troll.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #20)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:11 PM

21. Okay. Good start.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #20)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:32 PM

74. I think it sounds great. But is there a reason you feel people should not use their DU names there?

Is there some technical reason and if not, (I don't know anything about tech issues which is why I asked, probably a silly question) is it okay if we do?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #74)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:18 PM

102. There is no technical reason.

We are suggesting that people create new names because we are hoping that the new site can develop its own culture, and not turn out to just be a satellite of Democratic Underground.

If you want to use your DU name, you can contact Elad and he will release your name for you.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #102)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:03 PM

121. Okay, thank you ...

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #74)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:13 PM

154. I'm guessing so people can leave behind the baggage they have accumulated....nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:01 PM

10. I hope people enjoy it but I think I will wait and stick to Democratic Underground.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #10)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:13 PM

25. Agreed.

I want to think that I'm open to all sorts of opinions but admittedly I've become selfish...I really want what is good and fair and honest for the majority of people. I'm not very interested in hearing the cases that FuksNews is news or that Corporations are People or that the KKKoch Brothers are "hurting".

I'll hang here.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #25)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:19 PM

29. I think I have just gotten to think of this place as home.

Besides if I had to deal with rwers I would be cursing up a storm.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #10)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:45 PM

80. this new one will probably turn into another Yahoo discussion knock off

Overrun with right wing hate. I'll stick here, though the multiple "privilege" threads every day in gd are ruining it

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #80)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:48 PM

81. That was my thought too but it could be fun.

Who knows but I am going to wait.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #80)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:19 PM

130. I've had experiences with 2 "open" political discussion boards.

Within a matter of weeks it was overrun by right wing crazies who spewed out the same hateful talking points day after day. I hope it doesn't turn out that way for the Admins as it seems they've put a lot of time and effort into this. Good luck to everyone who wants to join. Personally, I'm staying here -- at least until I know it won't be completely overrun by right-wing trolls.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #130)

Wed May 14, 2014, 07:20 AM

208. Same here

My experience has been no discussions , just a lot of right wing weirdness with no logic and a lot of dodo heads parroting mush and fux continually. It usually gets nauseating vey quickly.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #80)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:18 PM

149. you missed the point

Yahoo is a cesspool, to be sure. This new community is an experiment in self-policing. At least some portion of the turds will be flushed.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #80)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:57 PM

152. Wow, I thought I was the only one!!! I only have so much time to feel guilty.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #80)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:06 AM

212. My first thought was another Yahoo Answers, but we'll see. Most open discussions I've

been in are filled with so much hatred, stupidity and ridiculousness. Yep, the "privilege" threads are really getting boring in gd.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #10)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:13 PM

165. I agree as well

I have a limited amount of time do such activities and adding another different forum to my list is something I'm interested in doing. I appreciate the new idea and will be interested to hear what DUers think about it.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #165)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:23 PM

167. I surrendered and tried it. its ok but it needs time.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #167)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:30 PM

170. You are such a masochist

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #170)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:30 PM

171. lol I know.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #10)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:20 AM

200. From what I've seen so far...

They're back fighting battles that were over years ago. Same old muckrakers seeped back into the fold and were given a voice again. Not worth my time IMHO. On the bright side, at least they're not here.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #200)

Fri May 16, 2014, 03:00 PM

266. "On the bright side, at least they're not here."

Drawing away some of the trolling of DU could definitely be a plus.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #200)

Mon May 19, 2014, 02:15 PM

272. "They're back fighting battles that were over years ago"

"On the bright side, at least they're not here."

They're leaving us in peace to fight about porn, privilege and the b/c-word.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:02 PM

12. This will be interesting

nice idea.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:03 PM

13. So, like if the inmates truly ran the asylum then?

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:03 PM

14. Thanks Skinner. No changes at DU works for me. You scared me for a minute.

I thought DU was biting the dust!

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Response to DebJ (Reply #14)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:12 PM

67. gawd, I had the same reaction!

My first reaction was "what fresh hell is THIS?"

I was relieved. Not sure how this will work out, but I'm game...

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:04 PM

15. great idea Thanks! Our world needs more discussion forums!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:05 PM

16. Huh.

This is new.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:06 PM

17. I'm intrigued but confused

How does The Discussionist's jury system differ from ours? I guess I see that the intent of the site is different, but how is it ensured that the discussion there is more open if there is a jury system?

As I read it, The Discussionist is intended to be more open and accommodating.

The tag thing creating a new subforum is really interesting. I'll check it out.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:06 PM

18. I knew it was coming

This is the best software package on the web and I knew you guys would make use of it elsewhere.

Maybe without the clique and clack of the click/claquers the jury system may work better, at least for awhile? Because the way it works now is that hate of members drives hide/leave votes. Lawd knows I sure was tempted when I served on juries

Can you program make it so that when a jurist serves on an an alert on given member, that jurist is no longer allowed to serve on another alert of that same member?


In RL would a jurist be allowed to serve on a jury of the same person twice? Hell no. The closer you can get DU juries to RL, the better.


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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:06 PM

19. Thank you Skinner.

 

Already joined and looking forward to this new addition.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:11 PM

22. Not RW views, surely?

I doubt I'll be joining this group if it does, I have very low tolerance for a lot of that kind of nonsense. I completely get the why of this, but I am curious what is meant by "wide range of world views"?

Right wing?

Libertarian?

Third party voters?

Or just a cleaned up hopefully more civil version of mata?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #22)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:12 PM

24. All of it.

liberal - conservative - libertarian - you name it.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #24)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:16 PM

27. No thank you

Last edited Tue May 13, 2014, 04:47 PM - Edit history (2)

You all have fun over there. Although on SECOND thought, It could be fun.

If you're going to allow racist homophobic misogynist RW creeps to say what they REALLY mean, now that might be worth a good argument

Yup totally changed my mind. This could be fun

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Tue May 13, 2014, 04:50 PM

82. A new way to make us appreciate what we have here on DU.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #82)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:46 PM

158. +1

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Response to Skinner (Reply #24)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:02 PM

92. DU is my escape from being surrounded by red thinkers in this state.

While I admire your intentions of wanting all stripes on one board, I thinki I will stick to the safety zone of DU.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #92)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:55 PM

238. My take exactly dixiegrrrrl.

If I want to commune with the rightwing, I can log on to facebook. I fight them there all the time. What a disappointment it was to finally track down my best friend from high school and find out that she was a Republican and a gun nut. And there really is, I've found, no point in trying to discuss anything with the denizens of the far right.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #24)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:08 PM

123. That sounds like fun!

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Response to Skinner (Reply #24)

Fri May 16, 2014, 04:03 PM

267. sorry

I wouldn't trust a Republican as far as I can toss a ten-ton {Fred Sanford}banana. And Libertarians are frauds.
I'll pass.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:12 PM

23. So, I follow the link - the first thread title I see? 'Olive Garden' ...

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:14 PM

26. I will have to take a look

When I have time to kill!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:19 PM

28. Du rec

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:19 PM

30. Ok, I hate to be a wet noodle here bt I have some questions.

First question is, is it on DU Servers? I have tried to access the site and it's like the problems I am experiencing here on DU for the last several days (I did eventually get to the front page).

Second question is, will you be able to be a paid member to get rid of the advertising? I for one don't do sites cluttered with ads.

Third question is, I may have misread your OP (which wouldn't be the first time ) so it's all jury based? How would someone go about being bared from the new site?

I will probably have more question this is just off the top of my head. Unfortunately I am getting older and new things scare me (especially being in the LGBT class not really understanding what I would have to put up with overt here.)

P.S. I am open to try but with trepidation.

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Response to William769 (Reply #30)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:08 AM

217. Discussionist is hosted on a different ISP.

There is no paid subscription option at this time.

The site is (almost) entirely jury based.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #217)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:44 AM

222. Thank you for the clarity.

Just a FYI: Today I seem to be able to finally access DU without using special links. That was one bumpy road for me.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:19 PM

31. I don't hate the jury system ...

I just don't like that decisions seem to have more to do with who posted, than what was posted.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:20 PM

32. OMG TEH TEA PARTY HAS KIDNAPPED SKINNER !

/silly attempt at humor off

Excellent concept, I shall sign up anonymously asap. I actually had pondered this possibility for a long time, but thought it impossible to pull off without major heavy handed moderating.

Steve

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:20 PM

33. Good idea,I love arguing with right wing morons.

Bring it!

Now I'm off to think of a much more clever name than I use on DU.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:21 PM

34. Will there be an ATA

to whine about jury results?

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Response to pintobean (Reply #34)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:23 PM

35. oh I'd love to see that ! :) nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:23 PM

36. I'll check it out soon. Sounds interesting.

Who knows, I might like it better. Then again, it might not be my cup of tea. I'll give it a whirl, though.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:24 PM

38. So, sort of like AOL used to be? /nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:26 PM

39. Very Cool.

I signed up

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:27 PM

40. How exciting.

your timing is impeccable. I was just pondering what was out there on the intertubes that more closely aligns with my POV just this morning.

I am feeling more like a "progressive" and less like a Democrat; specifically when our supposed side is picking judges like Michael Boggs, and generally by letting the tighter grip of the oligarchy go unabated.

Can't say things like this on DU without getting shouted down by neo-"liberals" who would have been Republicons in Nixon's time.


Apparently you must feel the same way I do?

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:27 PM

41. Problems establishing an account...help!

I can't seem to get this username to work and tried another and get the same error, any suggestions?

Peace

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Response to hibbing (Reply #41)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:32 PM

46. read the entire post by Skinner

I did the same thing you did myself

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Response to corkhead (Reply #46)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:36 PM

49. hmmm

Whoopsie, doh, all in a rush. I have tried another that I thought was unique but it said already exists. I'll come up with something, thanks for the help!

Peace

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Response to hibbing (Reply #49)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:10 PM

66. they locked all the DU names to keep troll from grabbing them before the actual user

but you can get it by sending a note to elad, the link is in the OP

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Response to corkhead (Reply #66)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:18 PM

155. I think banned users are available so if you want to be library girl, or You Better Believe it!...

Nows yer chance.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #155)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:26 AM

196. I almost signed up as library girl

because that's sort of my job description IRL. But then I remembered the infamy and stopped myself!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:29 PM

42. We shall see what transpires.

Account created.

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Response to riqster (Reply #42)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:45 PM

174. Same here.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:29 PM

43. Sounds interesting, to be honest.

I may just sign up. Thanks, guys.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:30 PM

44. I like the jury system, I just hate thin skinned douchebags who alert at the drop of a hat

Maybe I will like Discussionist.

Although it sounds like a stupid name.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:30 PM

45. Ok good

So we get to meet the enemy in battle?

Okay, so everybody knows what to do, right? Nobody goes in alone. We go in in groups and gang up on any wing nut separated from the pack.

This is going to be fun.

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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #45)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:21 PM

230. Seriously, for anyone who has debated on the open net, (the one without moderators)

this is really the only way to make your point.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:35 PM

47. K&R!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:36 PM

48. Only complaint so far

Is that the My Posts section doesn't light up.

Otherwise, pretty good so far.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:37 PM

50. A little confused

I at first was led to believe that this new site had something to do with a change in the DU jury system. That any dispute would be shipped over to this new site to be resolved there. But I guess not.

You are just saying that this is a separate site without stipulations about political loyalties to center/left positions, and they will have a similar jury system. Its just that this new site is open to all, from old school Leninists to white power teabaggers. Have I got that right?

If so, it should make for some wild crazy discussions. I notice there is no rules of general decorum. So any perceived breach is handled by juries? If you have this kind of diversity there's going to be a lot of court room action.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:37 PM

51. The OP says that it is in the "Announcements" Forum but it isn't. Weird.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #51)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:49 PM

56. That's the front page

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:39 PM

52. The creative minds of DU never stops working.

And that is it's strength.
I will check it out...it sounds like it could be fun.
Although I hate changing my user name I guess it is for the best.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:41 PM

53. You guys are fucking brilliant. nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:45 PM

54. Done! New name and all. I'll give it a try.

Sounds interesting
provocative
spicy.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:47 PM

55. Finally we can get the tea party world view!

This could be fun.

Or not.

We'll see.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:52 PM

57. went there, done that

thanks for the heads up

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 03:54 PM

58. I think it's a great idea, Skinner...

 

In the rush to convict here, I think sometimes opposing viewpoints even those on the cusp DU idealogy are missed. The only other thing I would reco for DU, my small post count nothwithstanding, is that DU begin a process by which once a highly controversial post topic reaches a thousand posts, a senior DU staff member gives his/her on opinion on the topic. Call it a C-post opinion from management (or whatever).

Anyway, I think Discussionist is a good idea, particularly one near the cusp of one more election.

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Response to ballyhoo (Reply #58)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:19 PM

68. I love the idea regarding the DU staff member

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Response to classykaren (Reply #68)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:31 PM

73. Yes, well, it may cause a stumbling in protocol. I

 

asked this question of Skinner because of the Ukraine situation. Lots of people on both sides have opinions and comments, many very good. I wonder what someone like Skinner thinks based on his review of the situation.

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Response to ballyhoo (Reply #58)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:23 PM

69. good point.

Get something going prior to the election. Sharpen us all up a bit, thinking in different ways, out of our rut, seeing the world in a new light...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #69)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:33 PM

75. And maybe not lose those on the edge

 

so quickly.

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Response to ballyhoo (Reply #75)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:02 PM

94. worth a shot...you never know...

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Tue May 13, 2014, 04:00 PM

60. Creating an account, one without my real name. This should prove interesting.

I have a feeling I will stay mostly on DU.

I tend to only like mixing things up with RW'ers if there is a really good reason for doing so that will have an impact.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:01 PM

61. Very interesting, thank you. I will be trying it out..not sure about different user name though.

Maybe one that is close to what I have now, lol..have to think about that one.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:02 PM

62. Only 2 and 1/2 years? It seems longer.

>>>>It has been two-and-a-half years since we launched the jury system as part of the DU3 upgrade, and during that time we've observed it closely and made a number of changes and improvements. Overall, we believe it has succeeded well beyond our original expectations. >>>>>

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:04 PM

63. Cool. n/t

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:07 PM

64. I don't think the jury system will work over there.

Why, because Republicans will game the system, they will alert liberal views, even those that aren't particularly uncivil, and then try and stack the jury and push out all dissenting opinions. Either that or they'll simply leave because most can't stand to exist outside their bubble for any significant period of time. Finally the quality of their discussion is typically horrible because they don't accept facts as reality (which is why they vote Republican in the first place).

But I do applaud you for trying.

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Response to Sirveri (Reply #64)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:56 PM

162. We will get to see if there are some reasonably civil right wingers that we

can actually have an intelligent discussion with. Like you I have my serious doubts but I'm willing to keep an open mind for now. Maybe there are some reasonable right wingers out there somewhere but I haven't met any of them yet. Or maybe not. LOL.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #162)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:16 AM

203. The reasonable ones are all abandoning the party as it repeatedly screams Benghazi at everything.

and everyone, all the time, non-stop.

Which is kind of silly, since I do have legitimate complaints about some of the things that Obama is doing, and they are totally silent on those things.

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Response to Sirveri (Reply #203)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:41 AM

204. If it's any comfort, I think the Benghazi stuff is just as much about Hillary, if not more.

Obama is not running again and it's been pretty clear for years that Hillary is the chosen one for next time.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:09 PM

65. "At last, I'm gonna get played with!"

Look what Skinner made to deal with the miscreants!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:25 PM

70. I don't think I'd like it.

That's a surprise, right?

Thanks for not letting the cavers have our user names though - I do appreciate that.

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Response to TBF (Reply #70)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:27 PM

71. I appreciate that as well.

I think I will wait a bit to see how it goes.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:31 PM

72. An inevitable glitch...

I created my profile.

I got my activation email.

I tried the "log in for the first time" option, using the activation code.

I received the error message that my password was incorrect.

I re-entered, pretty sure I remembered what it was.

The error message recurred.

I clicked on "I don't remember my password."

It took me to the "Re-send confirmation email" page.

I checked my email.

No password change/replace email.

Stumped.

Pls advise or whatever.

helpfully,
Bright

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #72)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:08 PM

224. Same thing happened to me. but. .

Turns out, when you click the activation link, it puts your e-mail address in the user name spot, instead of the user babe.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:36 PM

76. I think might make a lot of people appreciate DU even more.

It also looks like a bit of a fly trap.

Should be interesting.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:40 PM

77. Oh, yeah. Back in the day we had a wild west sub-forum at Bartcopnation.

What a cesspool.

Good luck.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:42 PM

78. looks like a bunch of silliness already

I suppose people will calm down eventually.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #78)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:13 AM

214. I don't see how.

It looked like Crossfire on steroids to me. Just a lot of bitching about DU on the thread I checked.

I know I don't need that kind of stress.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:52 PM

83. You guys are amazing!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:52 PM

84. Wow, great idea! I signed up over there as "quinnoxfromdu" hope that is ok

 

I don't see the need to hide my Du identity at this intriguing new forum of yours!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:53 PM

85. I hate the Du jury system

but I do think it is good platform for people who like debating with republicans.

I won't be participating.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:54 PM

86. cool

sounds interesting. I predict right wingers to be in bad faith on the juries. I can only imagine their stupid comments voting to hide posts because they are heresy or leave them no matter how rude they are, just because they are being rude to a damned librul.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:57 PM

87. Thought I'd give it a go!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 04:57 PM

88. I'll Give It a Try

Maybe I'll use the old nickname I used on IRC.

Question: is it going to be something like Disqus? That doesn't have any moderation at all and they are overrun by idiots. See cnn.com and mediaite.com. They're cesspools.

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Response to Leith (Reply #88)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:26 PM

106. I Wasn't There 5 Minutes When

I got a request to be on a jury. The post was over-the-top and argumentative. Nothing but a cheap troll. No way he'll last very long.

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Response to Leith (Reply #106)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:06 PM

122. Flagged for review already.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #122)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:08 PM

143. Me? Or the Poster the Jury Was Called on?

If I broke a rule, I'm sorry.

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Response to Leith (Reply #143)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:09 PM

144. The poster the jury was called on. Sorry about that.

I know nothing of the inner workings of the new forum.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:00 PM

90. Will there be a time when we can throw money at you to get rid of the ads? nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:06 PM

97. It'll be a matter of hours before RWers turn it into a Shit Show

If you were hoping to entice the troublesome left with an open forum, I don't think they're gonna buy it.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #97)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:22 PM

166. + 1

That has zilch zero appeal for me. I was looking for a home in 2001 -....eh.....not a haven of conservative republican democrats nor right wing fucks.

Thanks...but no thanks.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #97)

Wed May 14, 2014, 07:13 AM

207. It's been a few hours now and so far that doesn't seem to have happened.

Why don't you give it a chance. If that happens then leave but maybe you will be pleasantly surprised and it won't happen.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:13 PM

100. I don't HATE the jury system. however

it's deeply flawed and unamerican. There are no appeals. ie there should be just one appeal and that goes to even higher qualified folks or longer members. I think it was tweaked recently that seems to work better now..

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:14 PM

101. I'm in.


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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:20 PM

103. Oh man is that intersecting...

I'm, like, literally halving to brush of on my knowing how to conversate in Moran instead of English. I was getting rusty.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:24 PM

104. For now I prefer to keep my blood pressure at manageable levels. I will stick with DU

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:25 PM

105. My DU- banned Facebook friends

want to know if they're welcome to join.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #105)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:28 PM

107. Everyone can join!

The more the merrier!

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Response to Skinner (Reply #107)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:30 PM

109. Thanks, Skinner, I'll let them know. :)

There are some really good people out there who got ganged up on.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:28 PM

108. I'm in.

For now. We'll see how it goes.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:33 PM

110. kudos on the new reach, you never know.

 

I was running an idea by a cohort today on the tea party, so I actually went to their sight to check it out.

ummmm, wow. I didn't think they were that ideologically stupid, thought there were just some wing nuts out there throwing their delusions around. But no, stupid is the idealogical base.

Here we go...

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:33 PM

111. I hope it doesn't turn into Meta.com

I'll wade a bit before I jump in the deep end.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:36 PM

112. This should last a week before we all kill each other.

lol

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #112)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:12 PM

126. I don't think it's fellow DUers we need to worry about.

The dissonance that is already occurring as folks from the websites we dare not mention here have started to show up and comment is interesting.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #126)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:20 PM

131. I think we're allowed to mention those websites now.

But I was just thinking about this. I think part of what keeps us all here, regardless of how view each other's opinions, is the relationship (love/hate) we all have with each other.

This is really like a workplace, where we post curated content and discuss the results with each other. We've all known each other for years, and even when we want to kill each other, we have the DU bond.

I made an account over there and I know I could post content there I can't here, but really...part of the thrill of posting here is riding the line, annoying your enemies, getting kudos from your buddies, ferreting out people who don't belong here. That's community created by the culture that already exists here.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #131)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:30 PM

135. It's almost like DU is now a protected group

and discussionist is the new GD.

I might find that the ignore feature will be very handy over there.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:36 PM

113. Ok I surredered and joined.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:41 PM

114. Why the faux gay color palette? ..nt

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #114)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:57 PM

117. I believe that has more to do with the trendy flat UI design and color schemes that's hip these days

It's basically the new rounded corners.

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Response to penultimate (Reply #117)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:59 PM

119. It's hip to be gay?

Rainbow flag color palette is the new black?

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #119)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:10 PM

125. You know, I didn't see it at first but I think you might be on to something...

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Response to penultimate (Reply #125)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:10 PM

145. Without a doubt.

I'm hoping Skinner will weigh in.

TYY

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:52 PM

115. Awesome! I'm looking forward to checking it out...

Although, I wish it worked better in Internet Explorer 5.5

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:55 PM

116. Sounds like a nightmare with good software

Not a reason in the world to use such a comment bot. There are plenty of discussions on the net now full of right wing hate bags and my dislike of those sites is why I am here.
I was not aware of a shortage of places with anti gay right wing racist types posting. I guess their dollars spend too. Good luck.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #116)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:24 PM

168. + a million

money gets to the best of them

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #116)

Tue May 13, 2014, 11:09 PM

186. If Skinner was after their dollars then he made a mistake with the TOS:

From http://www.discussionist.com/?com=termsofservice

Some examples of uncivil behavior

Personal attacks, insults, threats, namecalling, and the like.
Racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, or other forms of bigotry and intolerance.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #186)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:42 PM

235. But he is right here in this thread saying all hate mongers banned from DU are welcome there

Also that TOS says 'uncivil' language, such as open racism, will probably get a jury hide and there is no mention of banning anyone for being a bigot or advocating bigotry.
So use slurs, get it hidden, use slurs again, jury bot says blather, rinse, repeat. The entire 'unique' aspect is that it is run by an automated bot without any higher authority.
Even on DU, each day I encounter the person who says 'gays have plenty of rights' and the one who says 'gay marriage is unthinkable'. That is not considered bigoted, homophobic nor intolerant apparently, for straights to say equality is unthinkable and gays already have plenty of rights. So forgive me if I don't see much promise in opening it up to those already banned for even more extreme bigotry than that which is welcome on DU.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 05:57 PM

118. I'm a little confused

I googled "Discussionist" and the site doesn't seem to be listed on it's own as an entity. So how are people of other "persuasions" to be aware the site even exists, other than seeing it on D.U.?

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Response to warrprayer (Reply #118)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:13 PM

127. Google should find it soon enough.

Hopefully by tomorrow.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #127)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:15 PM

128. thanks n/t

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Response to Skinner (Reply #127)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:17 PM

129. this is an interesting idea.

I know some members have suggested something similar in the past... in jest, allowing the "hate mailbag" folks their own closed forum for entertainment purposes. This is much bigger though... I wage war with wingnuts on a daily basis on a local forum. This should be interesting. Good luck.

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Response to warrprayer (Reply #118)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:38 PM

157. We all know that there are right wingers posing as progressives who participate at DU.

Some of them are good enough not to get caught, at least for a while. I suspect that many of them will go to this new site and show their true colors.

I wonder if the admins at DU will be able to sniff them out by comparing IP addresses. I doubt if many of them will take the trouble to either use a proxy server or a VPN.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:00 PM

120. Good idea.

Be interesting to see how it pans out.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:10 PM

124. ok this is a bit of fun.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:23 PM

132. I like it a lot.

Everyone seems to be having fun already and the site is so fast and clean and easy to navigate. I hope it's going to be a huge success.

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Tue May 13, 2014, 06:27 PM

134. I cannot believe I get to be in on the ground floor this time!

I'm excited! I'm also really happy to see you guys spreading your wings out wider, and yet still doing what you do best.

Congratulations to you and wishes for yet another successful venture!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:30 PM

136. This is the best bulletin board platform I have seen.

the only other bb I frequent uses YaBB. Is it proprietary to DU or is it an off the shelf deal?

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #136)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:06 PM

164. Proprietary to DU

We built it ourselves from scratch.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #164)

Tue May 13, 2014, 11:24 PM

188. Sell it. None of this light under basket bs.

It really works that well.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:39 PM

138. Ok, the first thing I'm not liking is my DU username is in use by someone other than me.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #138)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:58 PM

141. It's not being used by anyone:



How do I join?

Just go to discussionist.com and create an account.

We encourage you to sign up with a different username from the one you use here at DU. The message board culture is going to be different over there, and it might be more fun with a different name. Don't expect to find Skinner, EarlG, or Elad posting over on Discusionist; we've changed our names too. (If you simply must use the same username, you can request it here on DU by sending a DU Mail message to Elad with the title "Discussionist username" so he can release your name to you. We have set aside all usernames from DU so trolls can't grab them on Discussionist, but we have not copied over your email or password for privacy reasons.)

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Response to Ptah (Reply #141)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:18 PM

148. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:44 PM

139. Just what I need...

a new chance to spend time on-line

edit: Told me my username was taken, my password was rejected and I realized it was more trouble than it was worth. Maybe much later.

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Response to Rowdyboy (Reply #139)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:01 AM

205. Per Skinners announcement, all DU names are withheld, that is probably the default message

you have to email Elad if you want to use your DU name on that site

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 06:46 PM

140. K&R

I'm now a member of "Discussionist"

btw, I don't hate the DU jury system
(but be careful what you say about Nancy Pelosi)

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:03 PM

142. In the words of Chauncey Gardiner...

I like to watch.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:11 PM

146. This is genius! I know discussionist.com is still in beta but in the future

will we be notified when someone replies to us on the site like we are on DU?

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:13 PM

147. I'd like DU to take less than an hour to load each page

which is the problem that has been frustrating me since Friday.

It's upstream so it's either you or QWest. No other page is giving me trouble.

The only way the jury system could be improved is to give the hosts in safe haven groups the last word over which posts should be hidden. Atheists & Agnostics and History of Feminism are both being trolled and likely other groups are, also.

I hope this posts. It took me 2 1/2 hours to get this far.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:31 PM

150. It feels a little bit like a race...

…and, and... I'm a lab rat being timed, you know. Yeah, THAT'S it….

It's also like stock that hits that magic number and then splits… Hmmmmm… I don't care if I have a different name there now, I'm less inclined to race to the magic "50" unless I become unemployed or something.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 07:32 PM

151. Awesome! K&R. n/t

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:35 PM

156. Just don't let anyone know it's a honeypot...

...for vendetta-minded DUers, not to mention trolls former and current!

Seriously though, the jury system struck me as something truly innovative when you unveiled it.

Still does, no hate here.

It's just that you haven't been able to design around its biggest flaw: us, the mostly-sentient, questionably rational, internet-dwelling life forms making use of it.

Myself included.

So this new experiment in applied social science could be fascinating. Or terrifying. Can't wait to see.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:48 PM

159. I'm keeping my fingers crossed

that this lures some of DU's RWNJ infiltrators away. With Discussionist not being a safe-haven for Democrats and people on the left, I won't be surprised if it ends up being used by mostly RWers, though (especially considering how IMO it seems to be mostly people of their political persuasion who comment on online discussion boards, anyway).

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:53 PM

160. After the DUers are disgusted by that place are you going to nuke it?

Or will it provide a board for mouth breathers and haters?

It was a good idea in theory, I guess.

Second question, is Discussionist what's been slowing down DU?

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:55 PM

161. Skinner, EarlG, or Elad?

What WILL my Discussionist username be????

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 08:56 PM

163. Lots of RWers there already.

So far I haven't managed to have a productive discussion with any of them.

I think I'll go back to banging my head against a wall; it takes less time and feels better when I stop.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #163)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:28 PM

169. Surprise Surprise Surprise

You could have saved yourself some time & just read the Yahoo comment section.

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Response to Caretha (Reply #169)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:27 AM

201. I stopped reading somewhere around the keywords "DU" "feminists" and "Hitler"

That was just about enough bile for me.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #163)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:24 AM

220. RWs are incapable of productive discussions because all of their beliefs have been refuted by facts

I see no point in discussing anything with them.

Such a worthless world view that has never done one good thing for humanity.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #163)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:03 PM

244. Seeing the same thing

Like climate change deniers.

I don't see the point of this endeavor at all, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. You never know...

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:43 PM

173. I'm definitely seeing

An amusement factor as I imagine DUers who despise each other here going over there and possibly getting along reasonably well because they aren't dealing with each other based on the same screen names they use here.

And if they ever found out each others' real DU identities...

Would they be pleasantly surprised?

Or would they recoil in horror comparable to that of finding out, when taking off the blindfold, that they just French-kissed their 90 year old Kindergarten teacher?



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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:56 PM

177. when i read this in the message i had no interest in it because i had a feeling about how

it would turn out.

i just went there now to check it out and it was as i expected it would be.

no thanks

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Response to JI7 (Reply #177)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:03 PM

182. So how did it turn out. I have no expectations.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:58 PM

178. My registration email will not arrive! And the link to report it is broken. nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:59 PM

179. I like the idea & I hope it will be a success.

You guys are great. How about that Elad -- I sure appreciate all the hard work put into creating it.



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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:01 PM

181. oh no

if this is any good, I am sure everybody and everything that depends on me for any kind of productivity at all will be so thrilled that I may have another internets addiction.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:28 PM

183. Thanks for doing this n/t

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:50 PM

184. Sounds like you guys are gluttons for punishment

Think it's a headache managing us cranky left-and-center-left and centrist Democrats...Whooo boy this'll be tame compared to the mud-wrestling that'll go on when you toss true wingnuts into the mix.

You have my sympathies.

And sincere wishes for much good luck on your new venture.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #184)

Tue May 13, 2014, 11:09 PM

185. To be honest, we expect it will be somewhat easier than running DU.

Here on DU, because it is a safe haven for a particular range of viewpoints, people have very strong opinions about what points of view they think should be permitted here. Unfortunately, those expectations can vary wildly, and the admins are constantly being put in no-win situations where we can't possibly make everyone happy.

But Discussionist is not a safe haven, so people are less likely to have any expectation that certain viewpoints are excluded. So we do not expect that we will need to be quite so hands-on over there as we are here. But I could be wrong. This is new for us and we might find a whole new set of complications that we need to deal with.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #185)

Tue May 13, 2014, 11:13 PM

187. There will likely be problems with the conflict between the TOS and conservative talking points

and policies, which are far too often anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-not-lily-white.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #187)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:05 AM

216. There doesn't seem to be much of a TOS over there. nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 11:48 PM

189. Benghazi!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:01 AM

190. Ehh...

The format is rough at best. Typically I like to scan through dozens of articles on various topics. The format takes up way too much space for that. You could fit a lot more stuff into a much smaller space. Right now it's flow is like that of a website from the 90's, or worse, a Reddit or AOL knock off. There's only general organization and only one topic you can view at a time. It's very linear. And boring. I made a profile to check it out. But I really won't use it. I don't want to and don't have time to argue with right wingers.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:05 AM

191. Well, (not that it matters) I have almost entirely liked the innovations, but the key,unifying word

for me was "Democratic". I get that this progression is toward Small-"d" democratic in the sense of admitting everybody beyond Dems and, in hindsight a natural progression in DU Admins' long pronounced desire to let the community manage itself and be responsible for itself, now to the level of letting the new site become whatever it makes of itself, but aside from my butting heads with those lucky wingnuts I confront personally IRL and then break off relations with, I myself don't see the point of arguing with wingnuts -- neither they nor I ever to "win." Not to mention that there is plenty of variety and disagreement just among us Dems in our supposedly Dem-only balliwick. Discussion is fine in the sense of fleshing out nuances, but arguing is a pain.

I think my biggest disagreements with DU, amidst the overwhelming agreement, have been (in the far past) with the UnRec and with the GD SoP not being strictly enough adhered to. My gripes with the lenient SoP was that it was pointless to have one and then not observe it, and that an "anything goes" policy made it into a Reddit place, and what's the point of having another Reddit instead of going to Reddit itself.

So I'll probably peek into Discussionist a few more times, but am likely to end up with doing so with the frequency of glancing at Reddit, which is nil. I'm fearful that I'll be LEFT BEHIND at the "old" DU?

Actually, I'm thinking of a business model I see firsthand in my local area: Diversification. There's this media mogul who owns about fifteen radio stations. One of them is a talk station of the wingnut sort that irritates the heck out of me. I hoped that when he took it over he would "fix" it. Well, he didn't, left it totally wingnut. Then it dawned on me. His other properties are other niches -- a Sports station, a Country, a Hip Hop, a Latino, a (on and on).

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:07 AM

192. "What does this mean for Democratic Underground? In a word: nothing."

I am sure you believed that when you wrote it, but, of course, DU will experiece changes.

The most obvious thing: while DUers are busy posting at Discussionist, they are not posting at DU.

I understand that people can have two windows open and go back and forth, but they cannot be making two posts during the same second. Even if they could, the posting mentality/emotions generated at Discussionist will not disappear entirely while the poster is posting at DU.

Will the changes be positive or negative? I don't know. But there will be changes.





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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:19 AM

193. I have a question

What if the site becomes over-run with right wingers? To the point where almost all liberal voices are drowned out?

Do you have any corrective measures planned if that happens? Or, would you be okay if that happens since the site is open to anyone?

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:22 AM

194. Weird! n/t

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:13 AM

195. You mean, it's "the way things really are"...

I'm hip

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:40 AM

197. I was wondering if we are allowed to talk about conspiracy theories at your new site?

 

I remember when Du was more liberal in allowing this, and had a forum all about it, and I read some interesting discussions there. When Du went to a new edition, the conspiracy talk was severely curtailed. I don't see a category for conspiracies at the new site, so is it not allowed?

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Response to quinnox (Reply #197)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:46 AM

202. They don't happen anymore. It's all good. Trust your overlords. Don't rock the boat.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #197)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:14 AM

210. I think we still have a conspiracy group here -

creative speculation. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1135

At the new site it looks like you are just taking your chances with whatever juries allow.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:42 AM

198. Ok I admit, I like it.

Well done, hopefully we get more diversity of posters right now it's mostly DU I think.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:56 AM

199. Literally the very first thing I saw after creating an account was a jury "summons."

Laughed out loud...!

Love the look...nice, clean design.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:03 AM

206. Good luck. Pass

I use Twitter when I feel the need to argue with the loonies. I see no value in another forum. My limited time is part of the equation.

I do wish you success though. You've done an incredible job here.

Cheers

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:14 AM

209. Looks good.

I'll be back when I think of a new handle.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:39 AM

211. I joined DU to get away from the right wing.

I'm surrounded by them where I am. I know what their opinions are and I'm sick of them. Sorry, no way.

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Response to stage left (Reply #211)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:09 AM

213. Yep, I know what you mean. I lived in a really red state and DU was my oxygen for survival. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #213)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:50 PM

237. I live in the freaking reddest state there is.

So I really need the oxygen. No way am I going to voluntarily associate with libertarians and tea party loons. My blood pressure is high enough.

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Response to stage left (Reply #237)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:58 PM

239. Same here, I came to DU to escape the BS and hatred that flies all over the internet in many open

discussion groups.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:44 AM

215. Good luck with this Skinner. It is visually very interesting. However I prefer a misogynist-free,

racist-free, homophobic-free site so Discussionist is not my cup of tea. Not that DU is totally free of these types but I know you guys make an effort at getting rid of at least the obvious ones.

I'm sure there is a market for the new board and maybe it will change over time.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #215)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:25 PM

242. Nailed it!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:14 AM

218. So far, Discussionist is a great place to get reacquainted with banned DU trolls

Thank you but no thank you.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:21 AM

219. Hi Skinner...you might want to super bold the part where

(If you simply must use the same username, you can request it here on DU by sending a DU Mail message to Elad with the title "Discussionist username" so he can release your name to you. We have set aside all usernames from DU so trolls can't grab them on Discussionist, but we have not copied over your email or password for privacy reasons.)

It appears there is a bit of freakout going on among those who refuse to read directions.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:24 AM

221. OK Skinner, you got me. I just fell for your massively elaborate hoax.

I signed up for Discussionist, thinking, what the hell, I'll give it a shot.


Before I even went to one forum or posted one post, the very first thing I see....


I GOT CALLED FOR JURY DUTY.


You got me, dammit. You got me.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:58 AM

223. I went to check it out, and evidently, I'm a celebrity

http://www.discussionist.com/10152098

Thanks for providing a place where everyone can be entertained by trolls. Fun times ahead.









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Response to ProSense (Reply #223)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:44 PM

225. I think using Disc. to bash you or others at DU is not good

It will degrade the site in a hurry. It already is.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #223)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:27 PM

246. If "Immitation is the sincereist form of flattery"...

given all the PRO-names, I'd say you should be over-the-moon & duly "flatterized".

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:02 PM

226. What does this mean for Democratic Underground? In SIX words

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Less traffic, more competition, fewer donations. Why would you want that?

If it were my desire to engage in hand-to-hand cyber-combat with political nutjobs, that's exactly what I'd be doing. And when I need a respite from DU and DU-ers, I already have other sites to visit, thank you very much.

Is this really a stealth suicide mission? Or are we being gently frog-boiled toward a new DU platform with more advertising income potential?


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #226)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:37 PM

248. It's another nail in the coffin for DU

A shame. But nothing lasts forever.

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #226)

Wed May 14, 2014, 07:23 PM

253. I feel the same way.

I went over to check it out, and then I come back here and there is less posting here......still a lot, but it has siphoned many posters from here.

I have the same problem I had when it was DU2 and DU3, with some posting at one place, and some posting at another. Right now, I have decided to give it a week or two to settle down since it is just silliness right now, but I don't want an emasculated DU.

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #226)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:49 AM

255. FWIW, we have seen no decrease in the number of posts on DU since I put up this announcement.

Yesterday was our first full day on DU since Discussionist was launched, and the number of posts here was exactly in line with other recent days. It is clear that many DUers are perfectly happy on DU and have no interest in joining another discussion forum. That's good. I think DU is going to be fine.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:08 PM

227. Two questions about Discussionist

1. I clicked on a couple of "This message was hidden by jury decision." Unlike DU, the site gave me no option to view the hidden post. Is this because they were both OP's, or will hidden posts always be unavailable for viewing? (FWIW I prefer having them available for those who choose.)

2. On DU, one term I've seen and used is "RWNJ" for right-wing nut job. Would use of that term violate the civility standards of Discussionist?

Thanks for any enlightenment that Skinner or any Discussionist old-timer can convey.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:15 PM

228. I can't Log in?

I tried to set you an account but it says that my user name, Lady Freedom Returns, and email are already in the system. Then when I go to log in it says I do not have an account.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Reply #228)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:25 PM

231. Never mind.

Just went with my initials. All good!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:16 PM

229. I signed up and signed on and discovered meta on steroids.

The civility standards seem pretty low and I was appalled to see (in one case) someone who has been banned as a homophobe posting away. Good luck with it, but it's not anything that appeals to me.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #229)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:36 PM

233. I think the bashing of people on DU needs to be outlawed

I can see nothing but bad things coming out of that. How that is done, I'm not sure.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #233)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:41 PM

234. It's like all the pent-up hatred is coming to the fore.

I may be in the minority, but I don't find it at all interesting and certainly not something that I want to participate in. It goes way beyond snark to mockery and contempt.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #234)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:46 PM

236. I agree, it's toxic and needs to be outlawed nt

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #234)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:14 PM

250. I suspect it will eventually enjoy Meta's fate. n/t

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #250)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:24 PM

251. And, having checked in over there for the first time today, I see it's in total Meta meltdown.

Pull up! Pull up!

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #251)

Thu May 15, 2014, 05:49 PM

258. I'm not at all surprised.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #258)

Thu May 15, 2014, 07:04 PM

260. This looks like a job for Skittles. n/t

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #260)

Thu May 15, 2014, 07:08 PM

261. Not sure that a good ass kicking would help.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #233)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:00 PM

240. I think that is the feature they are selling.

DU is being used in the negative to attract right wing cash.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:35 PM

232. If you.................

That was a fair assessment.

Good luck with that - I had a glimpse and it didn't take too long to figure your id there.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:38 PM

241. Well, "they" showed up pretty promptly and I learned some new pejoratives for DUers

Aside from DUmmies, which apparently got hidden, and Libtards likewise, now there's BOGscum, which is still there.

Aside from our doppelgangers there are a boatload of disaffected and disgruntled past and present DUers, hence references to the BOG. I may not stay unless a bit of that gets cleaned up.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:39 PM

243. Sounds like Facebook, but with manners

Or one would hope.

I signed up, we'll see what happens. My username there is Doctor What.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:12 PM

245. If what I just saw is typical, I won't be joining

I took a 10 minute look.

What I saw was mostly a few very doctrinaire posters from the radical right parroting Fox Noise, touting Megyn Kelly, and dissing "liberals" and "progressives," while calling themselves "conservatives" yet showing no inkling to conserve anything but Sean Hannity's talking points. Oh, yes, and a lot of Benghazi. The only word I missed was "corporatist," but I'm sure it's because I didn't peruse long enough.

I could have written the dialogues myself--and I don't go to a board to read political Dick and Jane.

After a while, I'll take another more intense look to see if the level of discourse has matured any. A leap up to 2nd grade level would be a nice step up from what I saw--at least from those who claim to want to disagree with us civilly.

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Response to DFW (Reply #245)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:29 PM

247. Yes... I come to DU to escape the Faux news/RW/Racist talking points.

(or at least mostly). I've never (or rarely) found it worthwhile to argue with the RWers who show up online.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:00 PM

249. It is different and requires you to discuss with people who are completely against you but it has...

...a charm to it. I like it so far and have not had any problems so far. I wish you guys well with this.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:59 PM

252. If ONLY hard core RWNJ's post it will prove to be mental masterbation...BUT

If we can show just a few people a better way...this could be a gold mine of hearts & minds!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:57 AM

254. Thank you, but no thank you.

I can't handle the hard core stupid. I looked around, and found some of the most idiotic statements being argued as if the opinions were absolute *truth* - and they were opinions that should have been corrected in kindergarten. (One nit-wit actually claimed no one in this country starves to death, he never saw skinny people on welfare, and a basic economics class should convince people to be conservatives - I CAN'T HANDLE THAT LEVEL OF STUPID ASSHAT!!!)

Thank you for giving the morons a safe place to play; hopefully they can show off for each other (as they all live their dreams of immortality and self-entitlement) and will stay away from this forum. Frankly, since stupid people outnumber smart people, I think you have the potential for a great business model.

But I want to stay here, thank you very much. Meta is gone (but never forgotten), and DU is generally speaking a nice place to be.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 03:19 PM

256. A well branded business...

...is usually a two color (primary, secondary) endeavor.

Unless you're trying to align your branding message with lgbtq ideals and rainbow pride, you should rethink your discussionist.com color palette. As it sits, the message is completely muddled.

You've stated that discussionist.com is meant to be independent from DU. I would suggest that discussionist.com is a daring, spirited offshoot of DU and should be branded accordingly.

DU has at least twelve years of brand equity behind it. It doesn't make sense to throw all that away. If you really want discussionist.com to flourish, you need to create a clearly stated brand message, backed by a branding color scheme that represents the personality of your new website while embracing the DU umbrella.

Discussionist is an independent discussion forum, created by democraticunderground.com to be a general-interest discussion forum with a focus on current events. Discussionist is intended to be open to a wide range of different and passionate world views while maintaining a level of civility which is acceptable to the broad range of its members.


DU is branded with red and black. As an independent venture, It would make sense that discussionist.com could begin with a color scheme from the opposite side of the color wheel.

Discussionist.com could start with a deep shade of green (world views and stability) as a primary color and then use a hotter shade of purple (passion) as a secondary color. Bring in orange (creativity) as an accent color to complete the color wheel triad and grey (instead of DU black) as the glue that ties it all together.

In the fine print at the bottom, you should include that discussionist.com is the brainchild or a subsidiary of democraticunderground.com, with a brief statement of intent, followed by a small image of the DU logo for brand equity.

As it sits, discussionist.com appears not to know who it is. The rainbow colors feel chaotic and disingenuous. You really need to dial it in a little bit and work on the hierarchy of the site. A strong branding message would go a long way to ensure the success of your new discussionist.com venture.

To be honest, I won't be joining discussionist.com. It feels like a complete clusterfuck to me. But, it's your clusterfuck so I strongly recommend that you embrace it and give it an identity.

I wish you the best.

TYY

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 07:01 PM

259. Thank you for this oppurtunity

to let me troll conservatives on a pitched playing field.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 01:28 AM

264. GD and the Lounge living together?

It's not natural.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 01:44 PM

265. Spammers on the lose over there

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Fri May 16, 2014, 10:13 PM

268. I tried to register and got a return message that my username was taken.

Do I have an impostor?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #268)

Fri May 16, 2014, 10:29 PM

269. I think you have to email Elad or Skinner and alert them what you wish to do nt

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #268)

Fri May 16, 2014, 10:46 PM

270. Re-read the OP above.

Pay special attention to the section that says "How do I join?"

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Response to Skinner (Reply #270)

Fri May 16, 2014, 11:25 PM

271. Ah.

Thank you.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Tue May 20, 2014, 07:51 PM

274. FYI: Your cdn is triggering a malware alert in google chrome

Danger: Malware Ahead!
Google Chrome has blocked access to this page on www.discussionist.com.
Content from cdn.memegenerator.net, a known malware distributor, has been inserted into this web page. Visiting this page now is very likely to infect your computer with malware.
Malware is malicious software that causes things like identity theft, financial loss, and permanent file deletion.


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Response to rucky (Reply #274)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:20 AM

276. Do you have a link to the page that is causing the problem? (Nt)

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Wed May 21, 2014, 10:57 AM

277. Wow

How the fuck do the three of you have this much confidence in the human race? No, I mean really. Were you guys like, I don't know, breastfed on the milk of Democracy and Anarchy? This will be a shit storm. On the other hand, if anybody can make it fly, you guys can.

Just, wow.

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Mon May 26, 2014, 02:58 PM

280. Discussionist to be overrun by paid RW trolls in 3....2....1...

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 06:35 PM

281. Have posted a bit there; so far OK

I avoid threads that really look they might seriously raise my blood pressure, however.

Interesting idea, anyway.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:10 PM

282. Visited the new site and posted some, but don't have the patience to be...

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in the presence of so much ignorance. Right wingers there are proud of their ignorance and the blowhard assholery that is now their political brand.

Haven't posted at DU for a couple of months because it doesn't seem likely that meaningful change will come through today's Democratic Party.

Let me know if you ever start a site for people who have had enough of our current two-corporate-party system, and want to talk about how the people can unite to change it.

Cheers!


On edit: Good to see Bernie Sanders moving closer to a run as an "independent Democrat" - perhaps meaningful change is still possible.

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Tue Nov 11, 2014, 10:10 PM

285. this was a pretty contemptuous way to announce this

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #285)

Tue Nov 11, 2014, 11:06 PM

286. LOL - I don't hate the jury system...

but it turns out I do hate* Discussionist. Lots of creeps there.

*(as much as one can "hate" something as trivial as a discussion board. I'm definitely disappointed that the site is connected to this one in any way.)

But I think the Announcement was more click bait than anything else.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Sat Nov 29, 2014, 01:24 PM

294. At the suggestion of some one here i gave Discussionist a try

It seemed like it was mostly a platform for RWNJs to continually moan and bellyache about their sorrowful lot in life.
Discussionist? theres better options if i want to go play with the rightwing crowd..
As for the jury system? seemed rather pointless,much abused by stupid alerts and i got the impression it was all automated.

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