Here is what happened when black citizens tried to assert their Second Amendment rights

Still is in the eyes of many

If a black man had shown up at a Bush rally waving a gun (like whites did at Obama rallies), he would have been gunned down without a word.

did he would have been either locked up for trying to buy the stuff of investigated by the FBI,ATF, and SService and probably held on suspicion of being a terrorist. God forbid that the would have been a Muslim...his entire family would have been rounded up and deported somewhere.

And I have ordered significantly more on line that he did. Mostly ammunition over the years.

You are aware that there is no system in place to track multiple sales like his outside of Google/

I am positive they would have turned the purchase info over to the ATF just as sure as I am sitting here.

Don

There was nothing illegal about the purchases...the newbie agent would have figured out that the rounds were for a newly purchased rifle and closed the file.

Might have done some periodic warrantless searches of his apartment. And then after a few months of that if nothing else turned up they might have closed the file.

Don

about it, the hue and cry would resound, even be here on DU.

Also the lawsuit proceeds would have paid for his PhD.

$200 gets you a wireless internet camera that records to the cloud. If I was that paranoid, my house would be wired like that.

Power outages, jamming, etc.

Where there is a will there is a way.

Don

One of the hardest things to find is the classic nanny cam. Battery powered and no wires.

If one is observant and knows what to look for, you can easily know if your place has been visited. Most cops are not that well trained in clandestine surveillance.

That would be a job for a specialist.

Although I am sure even I could jam any wireless device if I were so inclined because it is not that difficult to do.

Don

I assume it would have some sort of local oscillator your could scan for but it is the bain of covert investigators everywhere.

If you start messing with the wireless Ethernet, you have to be very good with high end tech. It can be done (theoretically). I have not seen anything on the open market that could do that untraceably.

The key is the awareness of the subject. The vast majority of us go through life oblivious to that kind of thing, myself included.

Just need to know the frequency parameters of the equipment.

Once the parameters are known you just jam from top to bottom and everything in between.

The Koreans have been complaining about N Korea jamming their GPS signals recently.

Most effective jamming I have ever experienced was done by the Soviet Union. We called it the Russian Woodpecker when I did a lot of Shortwave listening. They were capable of jamming just about everything.

If a device has an antenna and a receiver it can be jammed. Simple as that.

Don

...black people should assert their second amendment rights so the birthers can try to choose between their racism and their guns?

Wasn't long after that Black Panthers were murdered en mass by local police from the West Coast to the East.

Usually shot in their sleep by the best police marksmen(Hit men with a badge), available.

I was only a kid at the time but I remember it happening in Chicago and Peoria Illinois like it was yesterday.

Don

...to use the artifacts of "Libertarianism" to expose to the world that the Right intends it as cheifly applicable to "whites of the landed class". Being black myself, with a flawless military record and with no criminal record of any kind;I would gladly join Black Open Weapon Carry marches, very peacefully and publicly, with a tightly-knit group of like-minders who were vetted and safe. I'm sure it would expose unease with police and the public who have no issue with Tea Party types doing the same. My concern would be infiltration on the part of law enforcement who would predictably instigate, disrupt and create "false-flag" events - the same playbook that COINTELPRO used against the Black Panthers(and I am not advocating black nationalism here in any-way, simply OWC by black Americans).

But this tactic should be part of a larger strategy on our part that couldn't be more obvious in my mind; using the constructs the Right are building to expose their first principles and force them to shift...Progressives should be incorporating-literally forming corporations- so that we can upsize our political influence, hide our finances and motives, expose entrenched good ole boy networks as hardly meritocractic, etc., and simply do things the right does not want corporations to do so they will be forced to shift - and in that shift they will expose the inherent fascism that is their intent. I would love to see OWS groups, Anonymous and others create legitimate corporate personages - then any attack on them by the Right becomes self-defeating.

Never forsake that we own rights, we own liberty...both freedom from depravity and the right to pursue happiness. Freedom stands with us.

De Oppresso Liber!

We really do need our own "people" aka corporations. PLay the game as the bullies have set it up for themselves and protect ourselves at the same time.


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Please be aware that we usually reserve the gun debate for the Gungeon, because, as you can see, there are as many opinions as posters and some will never, ever compromise. The threads have been allowed in GD due to the tragedy in Aurora, but in a few days you'll see the GD discussions get back to more political/social issues than gun control.

Stick around - we need you!

That kind of tactic is just asking for trouble, right or wrong. The hypocrisy is real, but exposing it risks throwing gas on the kindling of birthers and paranoid gun owning tea-partiers.

All that's missing from DU's gun control debate is the invocation of Godwin's Law.

You need a pistol permit to buy handguns in NC. You apply to the Sheriff and get a check. This was enacted by the state leg in 1919 specifically to stop black men from owning handguns.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=160425&mesg_id=160500

Gun control advocate Robert Sherrill claimed: "The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed not to control guns but to control blacks."
(Wiki - Robert Sherrill, The Saturday Night Special, Charterhouse, 1973)



Google the phrase, unless one just wants to cover their eyes and pretend this will all go away. No matter which side of the gun control issue you are on, the search results are a stunner.

Couldn't resist

Edit to add: the Op is not calling guncontrol advocates racist.

The OP is pointing out that the Rightwing gun psychos ONLY believe in RKBA for Caucasian people, not for Black people.

They're perfectly okay with gun control for other races, they just don't want any for themselves.

Make sense?

they intend to oppress.

You know, since guns are useless against a modern state.

Seems like it would be a non-issue.

A racist who doesn't want a person of their "hated race" owning a firearm is merely trying to protect him or her self. He may use "society" or "the state" as his or her concern, but the bottom line is a racist does not want a "lower race" to have what the racist has.

Whether that's a job, a seat at the lunch counter or a firearm.

And most Caucasian gun psychos DO think they can take over the gubbmint and many are actually planning it as you can see if you lurk at the wacknut/racist sites. The rightwing bigoted lunatic fringe don't think they can lose against the modern state.

So you're discussing two disparate mindsets here.

Why? Because white people were scared of black people defending themselves.

Basically whites would be able to obtain guns but blacks wouldn't? How was this arranged?

A white person with a gun is seen as a "patriot" who is asserting his "Second Amendment rights.'

Yeah, most won't say that out loud, but you can goddamn guarantee that that's the perception a lot of people have.

seeing as how I am a black male in CA with a CCW