Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:46 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
Where I live, I have never once considered needing a gun for any reason
Hunting, nope I don't kill animals. It isn't sport if they can't shoot back.
Personal protection, nope, I don't go were I need to consider my personal safety beforehand. Paranoia, none, the few times I've need to defend myself in my life my fists did quite well. Companionship, nah, most of the people I have known who owned guns NEEDED to show me their guns. They wound up being unknown real quick. You can tell me all you want that the images of the gun crowd are stereotypes, but they are reality. None of my friends needed to get their mice and keyboards and go protest Bush like the gun crowd needs to bring their guns to protest Obama. Who the fuck do they think they are? If they had done that to Bush, they'd be in Guantanamo. Sorry defenders of the 2nd Amendment, unless Aliens attack or the Zombie apocalypse occurs, no need for dozens of guns and thousands of round of ammo, unless of course, you're going to war against the US Government, but you'd lose pretty quick. I'm in the last quarter, I'd rather not worry about my guns. I'm more worried about my fiber now. Spend the value of one gun on helping the poor in your town, it goes a lot farther than profits for the gun makers, and won't kill anyone. 'Night.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:56 PM
senseandsensibility (11,629 posts)
1. Thanks for posting this.
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Peace.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:00 AM
-..__... (7,776 posts)
2. Sigh...
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Response to -..__... (Reply #2)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:24 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
18. We can post our opinions have a problem with that?
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And this is EXACTLY what I mean by trying to bully those of us who do not support their right to be bullies.
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #18)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:27 AM
cyclezealot (4,682 posts)
64. Americans Living Abroad..
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Most of the year, that is..... We value having escaped the Second Amendment and US Health Care..
Unfortunately while in the US , the experience we have with the paranoia one feels that if today , I don't have the legal right to kill someone I might not survive does not endear us to US life. Gun love , except for maybe the need to kill stray rattlesnakes is a paranoia. But then since the US is becoming ever more third world by each passing day, maybe the paranoia is deserved. Guns.. I've hated them since I was a kid.. Not sure why I turned against the violence Shown by TV westerns to kids, but I surely did.. Been that way ever since, too late to change now.. |
Response to cyclezealot (Reply #64)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:56 PM
RKP5637 (25,786 posts)
128. It's turned into a nation driven by fear and paranoia IMO. n/t
Response to RKP5637 (Reply #128)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:02 PM
DrDan (14,838 posts)
133. it's BEEN turned into a nation driven by fear and paranoia
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this has not happened via evolution. Organizations with an agenda (read NRA, gun manufacturers) are promoting this fear and paranoia. And it is working.
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Response to DrDan (Reply #133)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:07 PM
RKP5637 (25,786 posts)
138. Yep, exactly. I've been around a long time and I don't ever recall this
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fear and paranoia so widespread. Yep, it's fear and paranoia stoked for profit. Also, the hate radio/media droning on about 'they're coming to get your guns' really sounds like the ravings of really unstable individuals after awhile.
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Response to -..__... (Reply #2)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:05 AM
pennylane100 (2,338 posts)
84. So is this a picture of you with a hangover
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Or are you trying to have a conversation.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:01 AM
elleng (40,928 posts)
3. Neither have I,
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and I've lived in DC ('home' of Heller v. DC,) Chicago, Aurora, CO, and Oxford, OH. Lived in Brooklyn, NY, as a child.
I also taught the sport of riflery as a 'jr counselor' at a summer camp in Pennsylvania. No 'necessity' there. |
Response to elleng (Reply #3)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:04 AM
proud2BlibKansan (96,560 posts)
7. I had a friend in college who liked to shoot skeet
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Went with him a couple times. It was fun, but not a hobby I've ever considered taking up.
Since I have been teaching, I've seen way too many kids killed or seriously injured with guns. One of my formers just died a week ago. That puts a damper on the whole gun thing for me. |
Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #7)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:20 AM
elleng (40,928 posts)
14. We didn't do anything like moving targets;
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:33 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Paper, exclusively.
So sorry that you knew some 'victims.' |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:02 AM
proud2BlibKansan (96,560 posts)
4. Me too.
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Never in my life.
Hard to relate. |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:02 AM
GarroHorus (1,055 posts)
5. You have every right to not exercise your rights under the second amendment.
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Please do not try to prevent me from exercising my rights under the second amendment.
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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #5)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:06 AM
proud2BlibKansan (96,560 posts)
8. Where does he say that in the OP?
Response to GarroHorus (Reply #5)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:26 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
19. And where did I say that anywhere?
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Bullies, they are everywhere. JUST because I don't need a gum you feel threatened??
So sad for you, so weak. |
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #19)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:45 AM
AtheistCrusader (14,524 posts)
76. It's more your broad brush smears of 'paranoia', etc.
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Plenty of democrats and progressives own and carry firearms.
Stop eating your own. |
Response to GarroHorus (Reply #5)
upaloopa This message was hidden by Jury decision.
Response to upaloopa (Reply #35)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:43 AM
GarroHorus (1,055 posts)
37. I own no guns, but everybody I know how does has two words for you.
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Molon labe.
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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #37)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:54 AM
upaloopa (2,145 posts)
45. Restrictions are not taking away guns. That was a bit extreme wasn't it.
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It's a lot like politics where the extremes are never listened to because rational people are to busy looking for workable solutions.
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Response to upaloopa (Reply #45)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:55 AM
GarroHorus (1,055 posts)
46. Then I want restrictions on your first amendment rights
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:56 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Before you can post anything online, I want a background check.
How do you like them apples? |
Response to GarroHorus (Reply #46)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:14 AM
wakemewhenitsover (1,587 posts)
55. When was the last time someone was killed with a word to the head? n/t
Response to wakemewhenitsover (Reply #55)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:22 AM
Trunk Monkey (950 posts)
60. 6 MILLION people died as a result of the words in Mien Kampf NT
Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #60)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:42 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
73. Right, are you relating the US to Nazi Germany in the 30's?
Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #60)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:43 AM
Scootaloo (6,085 posts)
74. Closer to 12 million, actually
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Plus between sixty and seventy million dead as direct and indirect results of the war.
And in truth it wasn't Mein kampf - if words killed, it'd still be taking lives - it was the fact that the author of that book took power in his country and remilitarized it. |
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #74)
DainBramaged This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #74)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:48 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
80. Wrong reply to sorry
Response to GarroHorus (Reply #46)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:19 AM
pennylane100 (2,338 posts)
91. Well if it is OK to demand restrictions on the right to post,
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:20 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Could you first name the number of victims that have been killed by unlimited access to the first amendment before your next post. Also, talking about apples, comparing them to oranges is usually not a tactic employed in a winning argument.
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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #5)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:59 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
50. You gonna answer or hide?
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #50)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:24 AM
Tsiyu (15,455 posts)
61. If the poster can't be a bully
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perhaps he or she can't respond.... And what a delicate flower, since they got away with insulting a long-time poster in another thread, but couldn't handle the truth above. Sickening, really. |
Response to Tsiyu (Reply #61)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:43 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
75. They're all the same, every last one of them
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #75)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:08 AM
Tsiyu (15,455 posts)
86. Indeed
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but thank you for sharing your story. Where I live, I do need a gun. I don't feel unsafe nor do I live in fear, but as a former victim of violence, I sleep better at night knowing they are nearby and loaded. There are no small children here. There are also predatory critters like coyotes and such ( I live in the woods ) though they have not attacked my livestock in a while. Coyotes did kill one of my dogs but I was not home when she was attacked. We had to use the Mossberg pump once to kill a rabid possum ( my son shot it many times - it refused to die and kept trying to attack - wild as hell situation none of us could believe ) and once to fire a warning shot to some men threatening us. I've also just pumped that sucker when my dog was indicating someone skulking about the property and then all was silent and nice with the dog and me. The sound is pretty unmistakable and daunting without even having to fire a shot. As a liberal in a very red area, and only being 100 pounds and five foot tall, I do feel better knowing I am armed. And all of my neighbors and friend have guns. No one has ever been shot or really uses them around here except to chase squirrels and such. However, I do believe in restrictions and registration for certain firearms and ammo and I don't believe anybody needs a frickin 100 round clip. Even smaller clips on Glocks fail anyway ( in my limited firing experience ) but 100 rounds? Unless you believe Zombies are real - or you're an ignorant civil war lusting teabagger, you don't need them. I appreciate hearing your experience and in no way did I feel you were trying to tell me I don't need a gun. If people can say why they have one, why get up in arms over your post about why you don't? |
Response to GarroHorus (Reply #5)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:58 PM
kestrel91316 (45,676 posts)
147. We have the right to work toward sensible gun control.
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And we'd appreciate your not trying to interfere with THAT right.
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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #147)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:31 PM
Harry Back (17 posts)
154. right !
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Don't act like I don't have the right to demand sensible measures that might make a dent in all the lunatic gun violence going on around me. I have lived in the inner city, old declining suburbs, and still spend plenty of time in those places. Never felt the need to carry a gun. I worry more when I visit my boyhood hometown of 17,000 and see NRA stickers, gun racks, confederate flags and other bullshit like that. I see them as really insecure people, on edge over nothing in a crappy little rust belt town. I think I am right too.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:03 AM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
6. Where I live now firearms are mandatory if you want to survive
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My neighborhood cats are pumas, the smaller critters are rattlesnakes. You don't leave food waste or domestic animals outside or they are food for the locals. Its the twigs and I live alone here in the desert. Its a raw beauty I enjoy, especially now that the infestation of campers and OHV riders has subsided.
I am well into my last quarter, probably my last tenth. My focus today is teaching. College during the week, and on some weekends I teach a handgun class mostly for women and GLBTQ people. They are the ones most often bullied and are often the least prepared to defend themselves. Fees for the class consist of participating in the pot luck and helping clean up afterwards. Many students have said that it has changed their lives for the better. I consider it partial payment for the good has been done for me over the years. |
Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #6)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:08 AM
proud2BlibKansan (96,560 posts)
10. If I lived out in the country, I'd probably want a gun too.
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Perfectly understandable.
I have no desire to take any guns away from responsible gun owners. But I don't understand why anyone needs a weapon like that guy in CO had that he used to shoot 70 people. |
Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:35 AM
ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)
29. Its not the gun, its the person
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If you are not a threat to society, it really does not matter how many guns or rounds of ammunition you own. If you are crackers, you should not have any.
I used to get RVers parking in what amounts to my front yard. They would let Rover stay outside the camper and in the morning he would be gone, having been dinner for a big cat or coyote. I've posted about it previously. He had a shotgun, two pistols, and the AR style rifle. I have read that the rifle jammed at some point. Waiting to get better data on what actually happened. As for need, that simply is irrelevant. For example: You don't need a 1TB disc and you are probably going to do bad things with it anyway. |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:08 AM
onehandle (35,989 posts)
9. Yes. The argument of defending yourself against the government is ridiculous.
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:08 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) They have tanks and gunships. You would lose.
And Red Dawn was just a mediocre movie. |
Response to onehandle (Reply #9)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:27 AM
TheKentuckian (17,532 posts)
66. Red Dawn was mediocre at best but that doesn't mean that the poorly equipped defending their own land
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doesn't absolutely cause fits.
Our military is built to deal damage not hold and occupy and police are heavily dependent on popular suffrage. I also believe a population that is no match for it's own forces is under equipped. You can balance that how ever you want. Tamp down the military and police, allowing for a less dangerously equipped population or flip it around and have private ownership of anti-air craft and anti-armor weaponry and Korean War to Viet Nam era aircraft. However, you'd like to balance that works for me but I am ideological and philosophically devoted to the balance so ignoring it isn't something I am ever going to be inclined to accept enough not to oppose actively. |
Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #66)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:34 AM
Hippo_Tron (24,655 posts)
105. What if those who privately own all those planes and anti-armor weapons side with the government?
Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #105)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:18 PM
TheKentuckian (17,532 posts)
110. Then you have an insurgency to be put down rather than a rebellion if
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there is anything approaching wide proliferation. All balance is lost when few possess or control too much power.
Obviously, the point is not to make sure the wealthiest have access, they already do. Who do you think can plunk down the 10k+ for an automatic weapons permit or buy a Viet Nam era Mig? The wealthy aren't excluded from anything, I would only make it easier for the "small people" and dilute the accumulation of power. I don't do unchecked power or absolute trust. History is full of military coups, they go on strong to this day. It is a great blessing that we have maintained a decent level of civilian control of the military (though it can seem dicey and much has been maintained by appeasement and tons of ca$h) but as presently constituted betting the house on the concept. Maybe a part of the success of our arrangement has been deterrence and remains such. 300 million any of which poses a potential threat to personnel on the ground and a significant one at that which makes occupation and control without popular sufferance and/or the aide of internal power centers all but impossible. Particularly over the land mass, terrain, and the cities. Concentration of power is always to be avoided, if at all possible. Always.There is little supporting history for any other outlook. |
Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #110)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:50 PM
Hippo_Tron (24,655 posts)
125. Sorry but once again, people with small arms can't take out the US military
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They're doing it in Afghanistan because we're not willing to slaughter entire civilian population centers to terrorize them into submission. That would not be the case if a military regime were hell bent on taking over the United States. After a couple cities get nuked, people would simply lay down their arms and accept military control. There's a certain point at which people just aren't willing to fight.
I get what you're saying that concentrated power is to be avoided if possible. The framers didn't envision a permanent standing military. Nor did they envision that we'd spend more on it than most of the rest of the world combined, and they certainly didn't envision stealth bombers and nuclear weapons. But the fact is that in the Post World War II era, that's what we have and it's not going away any time soon. No amount of pistols and semi-automatic rifles dispersed among the population are going to act as a real check on that. |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:08 AM
Mojorabbit (12,880 posts)
11. I live in a high crime area and I am disabled
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I am home alone a lot. One of my good friends who lives near me was shot in his own home after he came home from word and surprised a burglar. Two days ago the convenience store a block from me was robbed. These are just two examples. I am glad your fists are all you have needed. I don't have that advantage and I am armed. It makes good sense in my situation. YMMV
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:10 AM
FarPoint (2,385 posts)
12. I see your point...
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I can relate..
Essentially...we don't need guns. I see that the NRA has cultivated a "cowboy" following and they think they need a gun...well not just one but lots and lots of guns. It has evolved into a cult following, a trend or what's cool these days. I hope this changes in the near future. |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:12 AM
Speck Tater (10,618 posts)
13. I am 67 years old
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and have NEVER encountered any situation that would have required a gun, or that would have been improved by having a gun. Never. Not once.
In a nearby neighborhood there is one house, just one out of thousands, that is surrounded by high chain link with razor wire on the top. There are security cameras inside the "compound". I'm sure this guy feels like he is safer than his neighbors, but the reality is that he's just more paranoid than his neighbors. I'm sure he believes with all his heart that a gun is necessary for his security. I'm sure he's crazy. A couple years back when I lived in that neighborhood I often went to sleep on a hot evening with my windows wide open, and I once made a two-week out-of-state trip and left my front door unlocked the whole time I was gone. Do I need barbed wire and a gun? The day I start believing I need a gun is the day I will know that I have freaking lost my mind! |
Response to Speck Tater (Reply #13)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:52 AM
xtraxritical (3,225 posts)
43. I grew up in Chicago, lived in Washington D,C. in the 70's, I lived in Los Angeles during the 80's.
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I never, ever needed a gun for protection.
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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #43)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:00 PM
HockeyMom (10,818 posts)
131. Born, raised, lived in NYC in the 50s through 80s
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5"1, 100 lb woman. Never needed a gun and went all around NYC at all hours of the day and night. I now live in Florida, Land of Gun, in a town where the median age is 65. If I didn't need it back when, I need it now against some Grandpa looking to get me?
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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #13)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:34 AM
pennylane100 (2,338 posts)
96. I would be a little worried about the house surrounded by chain link with the razor wire on top.
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That seems like an extreme way to deal with security if you do not live in a high crime area. Living next to such a house would make me a little paranoid. I would alway wonder what they are hiding.
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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #96)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:03 PM
RKP5637 (25,786 posts)
134. Yep, same here. That's more than a little freaky. n/t
Response to Speck Tater (Reply #13)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:41 PM
EX500rider (300 posts)
120. I am 50 years old...
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...and have NEVER once needed seat belts! Or a fire extinguisher! Or a smoke alarm! Or the life preservers on my boat! So those things must not be needed by anyone! (YMMV)
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Response to EX500rider (Reply #120)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:52 PM
Speck Tater (10,618 posts)
145. Seat belts, fire extinguishers, ... etc.
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do not put other people's lives in danger just by being present.
Those things you mention, unlike guns, are NOT specifically engineered to kill, but rather to save lives. When those things you mention are put to use they save lives. When guns are put to use they take lives. |
Response to Speck Tater (Reply #145)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:14 PM
EX500rider (300 posts)
148. neither do guns put peoples lives in danger by just being present...
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no ones ever saved anyones live with a gun?
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Response to EX500rider (Reply #148)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:23 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
151. Have you ever read about the little kid bringing his daddy's gun to school, happens all the time
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I'd say that nullifies your argument...
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:22 AM
craigmatic (3,259 posts)
15. apprently you've never had squirrels in your attic.
Response to craigmatic (Reply #15)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:42 PM
RebelOne (27,006 posts)
143. No, but I have had rats under the house.
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But my friendly neighborhood pest control guy took care of them.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:23 AM
Reasonable_Argument (881 posts)
16. You should consider yourself fortunate...
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that you've never been subjected to someone trying to break into your home. Some of us have experienced that first hand and that time between when you call the police and they arrive seems like hours if you're defenseless. Also, recently military history would disagree with your assertion about the military. Our founders were wisely fond of the idea of checks on power and that is was the 2nd amendment provides. The government is a great tool for accomplishing collective tasks, such as health care, but isn't some angelic entity.
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Response to Reasonable_Argument (Reply #16)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:29 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
22. Yada yada yada
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you have the talking points down pat.
The government has planes and tanks, what do you have strong guy? |
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #22)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:31 AM
Reasonable_Argument (881 posts)
24. I'm just pointing out...
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recent military history. You've provided nothing but baseless snark in reply.
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Response to Reasonable_Argument (Reply #24)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:34 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
26. You deserve snark if you think the government needs second amendment remedies
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #26)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:36 AM
Reasonable_Argument (881 posts)
30. Hardly
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:37 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I'm trying to have a real discussion. I'm decidedly liberal so trying to lump me in with Sharron Angel supporters isn't going to work.
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Response to Reasonable_Argument (Reply #30)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:39 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
32. Right
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I have no interest in discussing second amendment remedies with you or anyone who thinks like you. If you think the reason you need a gun is because some day you may need to be a soldier in the 2nd Revolutionary war, I do not want to know you or discuss anything with you.
Goodbye. |
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #32)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:41 AM
Reasonable_Argument (881 posts)
36. I didn't say
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the current government. With fundamental rights you need to take the long view. Your kids, grandkids, etc. You have no idea what type of environment they'll be raised in or what the governance they'll be subjected to.
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Response to Reasonable_Argument (Reply #30)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:55 AM
xtraxritical (3,225 posts)
47. You guy's have appropriate screen names!
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I vote for reasonable.
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #22)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:47 AM
Trunk Monkey (950 posts)
40. The government has planes and tanks,
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and yet here we are what 10 years down the road and we're still fighting a bunch of stone age goat herders who don't have planes and tanks yet they seem to be doing all right.
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Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #40)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:42 AM
Hippo_Tron (24,655 posts)
72. That's because we've exercised a great deal of restraint in those countries...
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:43 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Insurrections are actually rather simple to put down when you have drastically superior force. You simply find whatever villages or towns are sheltering the rebels and you bomb them back to the stone age. Pretty soon, the rebels have nowhere to go and the people will be way too afraid to actually help them. The reason that the goat herders have a chance, is that we're not willing to terrorize the civilian population into compliance and slaughter those who don't comply.
However, if a tyrannical regime's hold on power was threatened, you can bet they wouldn't use such restraint. For a more realistic idea of how this would turn out, look at what Assad is willing to do to hold power in Syria. Now imagine if he had the US military at his disposal. The insurrection would've been put down in 5 minutes. |
Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #72)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:47 AM
Reasonable_Argument (881 posts)
77. Well
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Imagine the resistance if his populace had been as well armed as we are. It's a numbers game.
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Response to Reasonable_Argument (Reply #77)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:12 AM
Historyprof77132 (31 posts)
87. You serious?
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I'm sure all of us well armed Rambos would do well against smart bombs, bunker busters, tanks, etc. the days of a bunch of pissed off peasants threatening with long rifles are over dude.
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Response to Historyprof77132 (Reply #87)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:15 AM
Reasonable_Argument (881 posts)
89. Sir
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:16 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) I only have to point to military history (even recent military history if you like). You are quite wrong. The idea behind the 2nd amendment isn't "beating" the military. It's to use the threat of making the country ungovernable if the government should decide to go down that road, which if very doable. Nothing to do with Rambo.
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Response to Reasonable_Argument (Reply #89)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:25 AM
Historyprof77132 (31 posts)
109. I know the idea behind the 2nd Amendment, but the fact remains, and I live in the south so I
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Know, that many down here believe that with enough arms they can march on Washington.
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Response to Historyprof77132 (Reply #109)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:26 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
152. This trumps stupid gun owners marching on the capitol any day
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Response to Historyprof77132 (Reply #87)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:24 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
93. They all have the same fantasy, over throw the government, and then what?
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guns, make people crazy.
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #93)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:27 AM
Reasonable_Argument (881 posts)
95. Hardly
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I don't desire to overthrow the government. As to the fantasy point, what's the first thing we sent into the revolutions in the middle east.
-Hint, it was arms -I thought you weren't talking to me |
Response to Reasonable_Argument (Reply #77)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:53 AM
Hippo_Tron (24,655 posts)
99. No, it's not a numbers game
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Like I said, you end a resistance by bombing entire population centers into the ground. It doesn't matter if 10% of them have guns, 50% of them have guns, or 90% of them have guns. When the bombing is over, they'll all be dead.
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Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #99)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:55 AM
Reasonable_Argument (881 posts)
100. In an occupation
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:56 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) extermination isn't typically the goal, they want to control the populace of an area. As for resistance after being carpet bombed, well just look at the Germans in WWII. Not to sound trite but you seem to think history started when you started paying attention to it.
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Response to Reasonable_Argument (Reply #100)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:17 AM
Hippo_Tron (24,655 posts)
104. Technology is light years ahead of where it was in World War II
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But actually by the end of the war, it was good enough to get the job done.
The Japanese refused to surrender, we leveled a city. Then they wanted terms for surrender, we leveled another one. Before you know it, we were occupying the country without having to fire a single shot. |
Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #104)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:40 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
106. Doesn't it suck teaching history to so called history buffs?
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They sure can recite the second amendment verbatim and apply it to every facet of modern life.
Next they'll want lase cannons. |
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #106)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:39 PM
Mojorabbit (12,880 posts)
112. There is really no need to be so nasty in your replies to people. They are fellow Dems after all.nt
Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #112)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:08 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
115. Guns, Guns, Guns, Guns, Guns, Guns, Guns, Guns,
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right, I'll note that they are 'fellow' Dems.
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Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #72)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:48 AM
pennylane100 (2,338 posts)
98. The restraint you are talking about,
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does that include spraying poisons like agent orange on innocent civilians. The remarkable restraint we failed to show in the events that led up to the death of Allende, an elected socialist leader of Chile.
Since when is it considered a virtue to show restraint and not bomb the shit out of countries that do not pose a threat to our safety. |
Response to pennylane100 (Reply #98)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:00 AM
Hippo_Tron (24,655 posts)
101. Where did I say there's anything virtuous about what we're doing in Afghanistan?
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I think we need to get the fuck out of there yesterday. I'm simply stating that we're not slaughtering entire civilian populations for the sheer purpose of terrorizing others into submission. I'm also not saying we haven't done this in the past. We did it quite a bit in World War II actually.
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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #98)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:56 PM
orpupilofnature57 (10,679 posts)
129. + 10000
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
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Response to proudgunowner (Reply #17)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:30 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
23. NO WHERE in my OP do I say you can't
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wow I guess you worry when someone doesn't think like you....
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:26 AM
NRaleighLiberal (28,796 posts)
20. "More Fiber, Less Guns". Great bumpersticker! K and R
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:29 AM
madinmaryland (53,183 posts)
21. DU Rec and kick
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:32 AM
loli phabay (3,040 posts)
25. where i live i have never considered buying a sports car due to the terrain
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dosent mean that some people dont want or need them, same as guns. You might never have needed one but a lot of people live miles from anywhere and do do things like hunt.
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Response to loli phabay (Reply #25)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:34 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
27. Where do I say you can't buy a sports car?
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Jesus Christ.
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #27)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:37 AM
loli phabay (3,040 posts)
31. never siad you did was saying like you never needed a gun i never needed a sportscar
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dosent mean some people dont need either it depends on the personal circumstance.
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Response to loli phabay (Reply #31)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:41 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
33. I never wrote what you're implying so just stop
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #33)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:46 AM
loli phabay (3,040 posts)
39. pretty sure this is what you wrote,
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Where I live, I have never once considered needing a gun for any reason
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Response to loli phabay (Reply #39)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:57 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
49. This-----isn't----about---you
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why does my personal observation trouble you so much?
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #49)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:00 AM
loli phabay (3,040 posts)
51. lol so its about you, you wrote something i wrote back.
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you wrote you dont need a gun, i say good on you im not going to buy you one anyway, I wrote i dont need a sportscar but a gun is handy in my circumstances. Not to sure why you have a problem with seeing how our circumstances are different.
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Response to loli phabay (Reply #51)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:02 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
53. We're done
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #53)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:08 AM
loli phabay (3,040 posts)
54. okay for the win
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:35 AM
Iwillnevergiveup (5,883 posts)
28. The country is awash in guns
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and in the hands of too many people (for various reasons) who have no business carrying a water pistol, never mind all the high tech models available.
They scare the crap out of me and I would never own one. I've never been in a situation where I wished I had one and hope I never am. The terror and PTSD that the survivors must be feeling in Aurora is unimaginable along with the deaths of too many innocents. People with guns are the ones who kill people. |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:41 AM
Trunk Monkey (950 posts)
34. I don't go were I need to consider my personal safety beforehand.
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You mean like a movie theater at midnight?
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Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #34)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:46 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
38. OK genius, how many people had guns OTHER than the shooter who broke in?
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You really need to think your replies out before you write them. And you're insulting to the memories of the dead.
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #38)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:52 AM
Trunk Monkey (950 posts)
42. I think you miss the point
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before Friday night I wouldn't have thought of a midnight movie as a place where one might need a gun. Apparently I was wrong.
Before June of 1997 I would have never thought that the street outside my house would be a place where I might need a gun. wrong again. Luckily I had a gun and as a result neither I nor the would be mugger was hurt. |
Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #42)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:56 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
48. THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU
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Jesus what the fuck is wrong when you try to change my fucking viewpoint. I DON'T NEED A DFUCKING GUN GET OVER IT. You people are like rabid Fundies, if everyone doesn't own a gun or think like you do, we have to be lectured as to why God forbid someday we may need a gun, why even when I go to the nursing home.
Jesus give up. |
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #48)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:21 AM
Trunk Monkey (950 posts)
59. THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU
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I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU NEED A GUN I'D LIKE THE OPTION OF OWNIN ONE> FUCKING GET OVER IT.
Does my post look cooler because I used all caps? |
Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #59)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:35 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
68. Sad little flower you are
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #68)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:05 AM
Trunk Monkey (950 posts)
85. Serious question
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You have never needed a gun, I'm cool with that but does that mean that you think I shouldn't have the option of having one?
I'm not trying to be a smart ass I really am asking |
Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #85)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:26 PM
handmade34 (9,643 posts)
140. excuse me for
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butting in... I 'listen' in amazement to conversations of late and the passions are real but mystifying to me... DainB... never stated he thought people shouldn't have guns... he said "..no need for dozens of guns and thousands of round of ammo..." and that he personally didn't feel a need to have one...
I travel throughout the United States for work and it often takes me into some rough neighborhoods where I have to walk and inspect property... I have never felt the need for a gun... we are a very diverse group of people here in the U.S. with diverse experiences I see a crucial need to discuss this topic calmly without the irrational passion that follows it... very appreciative of your serious question |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:51 AM
mbperrin (6,891 posts)
41. I've lived all over Texas and 7 other states. I inherited two shotguns from my dad, and they
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were both stolen by my drug addict brother.
Never been robbed by anyone else, never needed a gun for any reason. I have used profanity some, though. And you're right, since I turned 60 back a ways, my doc wants to talk fiber, not STDS. Sigh. |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:53 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
44. OH and PS, I have a thick skin
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Merry Christmas.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:01 AM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
52. Excellent advice, no use getting obsessed on inanimate objects. Have a good night.
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:17 AM
taught_me_patience (3,867 posts)
56. I've never felt the need for a gun
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and I live in Long Beach. I've never owned a gun, never fired a gun, never picked up a handgun, don't have friends that profess to have guns, and never been a situation where a gun might have been useful in any way.
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Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #56)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:21 AM
loli phabay (3,040 posts)
58. li live in BFE, nearest neighbour a thousand yards away, thousands of acres of woods around
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:21 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) got guns, in fact im in the middle of a war with the local groundhogs destroying my food crops, my neighbours all have guns and probuably use my rifle most days to either hunt or kill varmints. different courses for different horses, and all that.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:18 AM
flvegan (62,232 posts)
57. Good for you, friend.
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Regardless of the now, my .45 got pulled and I defended my wife.
It was some time ago. And he was a minor, I think. And yes, I'd have blown his fucking head off. Don't seek to step into the shoes of a statistic. Don't care his age or anything else. I defend my family. I'd have made him a statistic and mourners of his loved ones, unfortunately. |
Response to flvegan (Reply #57)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:41 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
71. As is your right
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Hope you and yours are well....
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:24 AM
Zax2me (2,515 posts)
62. How fortunate for you.
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But I would appreciate you leaving my rights alone so I can protect my family - as I see fit.
Not as you see fit. |
Response to Zax2me (Reply #62)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:27 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
65. Excuse me, where did I usurp your rights or say I wanted to?
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Paranoid much?
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #65)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:13 AM
Zax2me (2,515 posts)
88. Yes. You did.
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Suggesting I donate to helping the poor instead of buying a gun.
And be honest, your post is dripping with anti-gun rhetoric that is a hopeful gun-ban waiting to happen. Look, the post just isn't based in reality. Use fists - really? There are people in my city that would define you as easy-target. They don't care what you bring to a fight as long as it isn't a gun - THAT they understand. I can't pick up the paper without reading about another home invasion around here. Now, unless you and your magical bullet-stopping fists can be here to protect me, - please allow me to buy my weapons without 'suggesting' I help the poor instead. |
Response to Zax2me (Reply #88)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:18 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
90. Then move, Jesus it's that easy
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what a terribly pat answer, I have actually read parts of that somewhere and I bet if I put it in the plagiarize machine I'll find it.
I said what I said, and to fucking bad if you don't think I have the right NOT to own a gun. |
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #90)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:39 PM
Marengo (663 posts)
119. I'll take you up on that. Run it through the "plagiarize machine"...
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and show us the results.
Proof or retraction. Or do you still not care about credibility? |
Response to Zax2me (Reply #88)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:39 PM
handmade34 (9,643 posts)
142. there are good reasons
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(and statistics) to believe that if the money that was spent on guns, was instead used to help struggling communities and people, possibly home invasions would stop, violence could be lessened??
The OP was not unreasonable in his statements economic instability contributes significantly to acts of violence "...Public health studies have identified risk factors that increase the likelihood of youth violence in communities. But they also have found protective factors that help prevent teens from picking committing violence in the first place, Davis said. "The kinds of things that put communities at risk, are: poverty and economic disparity, community deterioration, a lack of opportunities for young people, truancy, illiteracy and a failing school system, alcohol and other drugs and the availability of weapons," she says..." |
Response to Zax2me (Reply #62)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:34 AM
Scootaloo (6,085 posts)
67. I remember an argument I had with a fellow from Israel years ago
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At least, he claimed to be a fellow from Israel, it was online, and you know how people can do behind the anonymity of a discussion board.
Anyway, he claimed that he moved his family from Brooklyn, NY to Sderot, just east of Gaza. Apparently he knew that Sderot was a frequent target for rocket attacks from Gaza before making this move. Well, when 2008 came and with it the war between Israel and Gaza, he was yelling about how much danger he and his family were in because of Hamas. While he wasn't incorrect... I couldn't help but point out that he's the one who knowingly and intentionally put his wife and children in harm's way to start with. There aren't many rocket attacks in Brooklyn, at least that I'm aware of. So my question to you is... Why are you persisting in keeping your family in some terrible place that necessitates being constantly armed? Where do you live, anyway? Chechnya? North Cyprus? Waziristan? the Colombia-Panama border? |
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #67)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:40 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
70. He's just doing his duty good little doobie that he is
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #70)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:48 AM
Scootaloo (6,085 posts)
79. Hey now... I've never met a doobie that I didn't like
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...except that one from Labrador...
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:25 AM
Scootaloo (6,085 posts)
63. Where i lived, guns were a necessity...
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No gun, no protein on the plate during the winter. Subsistence in Alaska.
You notice a profound difference between people who need guns, and people who want guns. Up where I was, nobody got on their computers to jabber at each other about their weapons. There were no get-togethers at the range to wife-swap, er, rifle-swap. A gun was simply a tool used to kill an animal that you planned to carve up into bite-sized chunks, or occasionally, a tool you used to keep an animal from eating you (though in truth, a can of pepper spray was a better investment for that; No F&G paperwork to fill out) On the other hand down here in the 48... A gun isn't a tool anymore, at least it's not a functional one. oh, it shoots, but the function of sending a bullet from the barrel isn't really the point anymore. It's about power fetishization. So you find these people who are parading around their weapons, posing with them, filling up walls and taking pictures to use as Christmas cards, arguing the "stopping power" of minutely different ammunition, and of course insisting that they are the champions of freedom and liberty because guns. Above all, it's about preening yourself over the fact you have the power to kill someone if you so desire. Where I come from, a gun is basically a snow shovel that needs oiling. You use it for its job, and that's what it does, end of story. Down south? it's a fucking cult object, and I find it very fucking weird. |
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #63)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:51 AM
Hippo_Tron (24,655 posts)
81. The problem is that the gun industry wants it to be a cult object to sell more guns
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I agree with you, that if you live in certain places, a gun is a necessary tool just like a hammer, a screwdriver, or a saw. The problem is that they'd sell a lot less guns if people treated them that way. Sure maybe every decade or so, you'll go buy a shiny new hammer or saw. But nobody owns 20 of them.
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Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #81)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:01 AM
Scootaloo (6,085 posts)
82. I'm not even sure about that
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I'm sure the arms manufacturers don't mind the fetishization of their product, and aren't going to discourage it... but frankly their big bucks come from government contracts, the private consumer is something of a sideshow.
The problem is just that so many people have a deep need to feel "powerful" some way or another. |
Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #81)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 05:27 PM
Mugu (2,630 posts)
155. Maybe you don’t own 20 hammers or saws, but that’s not true for everybody.
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I have numerous hammers and each is designed to be used for a different job. I have at least three ballpeen hammers, probably three claw hammers (depending on whether I’m framing or doing finish work), a tack hammer, a masonry hammer, several different length and weight sledge hammers, a sheet-metal hammer (don’t know the proper name, but it’s used to shape sheet metal), rubber and lead mallets, a pick hammer (for digging), and a splitting maul. Then there’s the nail guns and pneumatic hammers.
When it comes to saws, there’s a radial arm saw, and a table saw. A small miter box, and a large compound miter box (if I need a scroll saw, band saw, or power hacksaw I visit one of my neighbors.) I have hand hacksaws, numerous different length and toothed wood saws, a coping saw, a couple of circular saws, a saber saw, an abrasive cutoff saw, and two chainsaws. I’m sure that I have others, but I’m too lazy to go out to the barn and look. When it comes to shotguns it’s the same story. An over-under skeet gun, and a single barreled trap gun. A longer barreled, tight choked pump gun for duck and geese and a shorter barreled looser choked autoloader for dove and quail. A gun with rifle sights for deer hunting and a short-barrel, long magazine one for home defense. It’s simply a matter of the proper tool for the job. |
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #63)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:52 PM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
113. The Jungian Shadow. They fetishize guns because they feel a lack of power...
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...in their daily lives, and so fantasies of power ooze into their daydreams and fantasies.
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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #113)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:48 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
124. I tend to dream about horsepower.....
Not that I can afford it though ;=( |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:36 AM
regnaD kciN (17,428 posts)
69. Well, if you go to movie theaters...
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...now you do!
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:05 AM
Historyprof77132 (31 posts)
83. Come to my state
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I live in Texas and people around me spend all of their time moving into nice, safe neighborhoods. Then they arm themselves as if they are about to go on a raid in Afghanistan. Here is the thing though, my neighbors never go shooting, they show them off as if they are worried about the size of something.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:21 AM
WillowTree (2,106 posts)
92. So no one else should be able to have one because you've never felt the need or desire?
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Gotcha.
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Response to WillowTree (Reply #92)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:27 AM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
94. Uh 'excuse me no where do I say that, why write words I didn't write?
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Keep trying, the words in the OP aren't going to change, OH and see my other thread, "why bother", it's easy to find.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:17 AM
Tejas (4,759 posts)
103. Bloomy hasn't either, his bodyguards have machineguns.
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 06:47 AM
eliminerlesud (18 posts)
107. If you are a liberal/progressive and DON’T have a gun(s)
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And are ready, willing and able to use it to defend yourself and your family, you will end up a victim.
I am not a gun nutter either I have just been paying attention for over 30 years now. Your life, your choice. |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 07:51 AM
JNelson6563 (24,832 posts)
108. Only one response to a post like this.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:27 PM
Edweird (8,570 posts)
111. I'm willing to be you own a lot of things that you don't 'need'.
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What you feel you do and do not need is not a benchmark for the rest of us. You are free to do as you choose, but when you attempt to dictate which of our RIGHTS are optional you will run into resistance.
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Response to Edweird (Reply #111)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:11 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
117. OK, one last time, I haven't dictated shit, sorry you take it that way
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:14 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) you folks getting touchy when one of us isn't into guns.
Are we a threat to your gunliness? I also consider your post a personal attack since you obviously don't comprehend well. |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:53 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
114. Are people even allowed to have guns in the place where you live?
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Serious question.
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Response to slackmaster (Reply #114)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:10 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
116. Why is that important to you?
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Why is my opinion not valuable? Why do you care?
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #116)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:26 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
118. I'm just curious
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Do you live an an area where there are restrictions?
If you wanted to buy a gun, would you have to get permission from someone? |
Response to slackmaster (Reply #118)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:46 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
121. we have the strictest gun laws in the country
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I said I don't want a gun, and even if I could walk down to the few and far between gun store and buy one, I still wouldn't.
Is that hard to understand? You seem as if you are dumbfounded that some of us live our lives in peace without the worry of being assaulted by people with guns. |
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #121)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:48 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
123. You obviously did not understand the key point of my question
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Or intentionally dodged it.
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Response to slackmaster (Reply #123)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:53 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
126. What part of strictest gun laws in the country don't you understand?
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A: You pass a background check, someday down the road, you get a permit.
B: Concealed carry, better be a cop, PI, carry large sums of money, not easy and never was. C: I didn't intentionally dodge shit. You just didn't like the answer. |
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #126)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:56 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
130. My core question is whether the criteria for buying a gun in your area are purely objective...
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Last edited Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:57 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) ...or do you need to get someone's PERMISSION to do so?
Is there any step in the process of legally acquiring a firearm at which the transaction could be stopped because of some person's subjective, arbitrary decision? Is there any person who has the power to stop you from buying a gun just because he or she thinks you shouldn't have one? |
Response to slackmaster (Reply #130)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:01 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
132. I've NEVER tried to buy one, why would I know that?
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have a gun-filled day, class is over.
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #132)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:32 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
141. I've never tried to get an abortion or buy a motorcycle, but I do know about the applicable laws
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It seems you are proud of your ignorance.
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Response to slackmaster (Reply #141)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:47 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
144. You don't do a good job of disguising your ignorance
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goodbye.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:47 PM
Alduin (501 posts)
122. I live in a college town with a high amount of muggings during the school year...
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and I still have no need to own a gun. I take measures to assure I don't get mugged. I don't walk down the dark streets or alleys. I don't walk alone at night. I always make sure people know which route I am going when I do walk.
Paranoia is what feeds people's desires to own a gun, IMO. |
Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 01:54 PM
cindyperry2010 (792 posts)
127. me either i have
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had good large dogs (actually spoiled rotten babies who would not hurt a fly but would lick you to death) and have never had to worry about it because i do not go that far to have to
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:04 PM
piperpibroch (19 posts)
135. It's amazing I'm still alive
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I've lived a long lifetime without owning or using a gun. And no one has ever attempted to use one on me.
I suppose I'm something of a miracle.... |
Response to piperpibroch (Reply #135)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 09:55 PM
aka-chmeee (295 posts)
157. Your User name suggests
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Possession of something nearly as Dangerous! Just teasing; Have a set myself, just no longer possess the air to play them.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:05 PM
madokie (36,951 posts)
137. That is the way I see it too
Response to madokie (Reply #137)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:12 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
139. So so many here just don't get it. They don't understand how we live without guns
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When you've wrapped yourself in the gun mentality that you need to have it as if it was a cell phone or your wallet, where is your life going?
I don't understand the paranoia when everyone around you is probably carrying a gun, who are you afraid of? Or is it simply a status symbol of the gun culture? I for one am glad I am not part of that culture. What's also amazing is NO ONE addressed my comment about the 'Baggers bringing guns to President Obama's gatherings. I guess they think that their show of force is going to scare the population into buying more guns.... |
Response to DainBramaged (Reply #139)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:55 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
146. I understand and respect your right to choose not to own a gun, and to be smug about it
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #139)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 05:45 PM
madokie (36,951 posts)
156. Being mechanically inclined
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I can marvel at the machine that a gun is but thats as far as it goes with me. I prefer not to have a gun even near me.
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:17 PM
pinboy3niner (28,048 posts)
149. A few posters in your thread may have changed your mind
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Just kidding. |
Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #149)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:20 PM
DainBramaged (38,134 posts)
150. I'm gonna go out tomorrow and get me a gun yes I am
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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #150)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:29 PM
pinboy3niner (28,048 posts)
153. The old-time comics used to call that...
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...a seltzer bottle. Deadly at close range...
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