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Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:06 PM

43 Years ago today, we created a symbol that anything was possible

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To insert a break into today's sad news and toxic politics



We used to build great things, achieve accomplishments that once had only been flights of fancy, and chose enduring words like "we came in peace for all mankind" rather than chest-thumping bravado.

And if you describe our economy and policies back then to today's Republicans, we were a bunch of "socialists".

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Reply 43 Years ago today, we created a symbol that anything was possible (Original post)
JHB Jul 2012 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #1
SoutherDem Jul 2012 #6
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #2
earthside Jul 2012 #3
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #8
SoutherDem Jul 2012 #4
GObamaGO Jul 2012 #5
AsahinaKimi Jul 2012 #7
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #9
HiPointDem Jul 2012 #10
Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #14
HiPointDem Jul 2012 #17
Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #18
HiPointDem Jul 2012 #19
Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #20
TeamPooka Jul 2012 #11
edbermac Jul 2012 #12
madinmaryland Jul 2012 #13
Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #15
madinmaryland Jul 2012 #16

Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:08 PM

1. "The government" did Apollo 11. I thought "government"

was useless and incompetent and should be drowned in a bathtub.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:14 PM

6. Think of all the technology we gained.

Think of what the world has gained.

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:11 PM

2. Yep, it used to be about what we can do, "together," now, it's about

what we can't do, and how to tear the other person/group down. The hatred in this country astounds me, we've become a bunch of slackers and in the big picture a bunch of fools. Yep, teaming and working together for a better world is seen by many today as evilness.


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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:12 PM

3. Well, that is sad, too.

In 2012 we (the USA) cannot put a woman or man into space on one of our own rockets.

And, we have people trying to destroy the post office an essential part of communication in our nation.

There are signs that are best days are over.

The moon landing may just have been the peak of US civilization and culture -- I remember it well and with great admiration for the people who built the space program.

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Response to earthside (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:34 PM

8. Sometimes I get this uneasy feeling that the best times are an

exception and not the norm. The US continues to slide downward in rankings with other industrialized nations and I get this feeling we are not near the bottom.

It took the Great Depression to move American forward, it took Sputnik to shake America into moving ahead with the space program in a serious way. It seems great strides forward do not happen without some major event. I often wonder what the next major event might be.

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:12 PM

4. Sad that people don't remember that today 43 years ago humans walked on the moon

What has happened to "We came in peace for all mankind"?

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:13 PM

5. Great Post

Thank you for this!

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:14 PM

7. There was a time when people did things like

Send out CARE packages or joined the Peace Corps. Imagine what Republicans today would say about that?
This is NOT the America, I grew up in.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:38 PM

9. Same here, it's not remotely the America I grew up in and was proud of. Many

things were not perfect, but at least it felt like we were trying to move ahead, to be a caring nation, people seemed interested in "we are in this together." Today, the country is so alien to what it once was IMO.

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:41 PM

10. space exploration has been privatized too.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:41 PM

14. Actually, I think letting people like Elon Musk handle Low Earth Orbit is a good thing.

Provided NASA be allowed to do what it's supposed to do, i.e. explore.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #14)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 04:36 AM

17. "the United States, which currently has no means of independently reaching space"

 

http://www.krusekronicle.com/2012/05/private-spacecraft-docks-with-space-station.html

CNN) -- A private spacecraft docked with the International Space Station on Friday, a milestone in a new era of commercial space flight.

The docking happened just before 10 a.m., almost two hours later than planned. A radar system aboard the unmanned SpaceX Dragon that measures distance to the station had picked up a different part of the space station, meaning it could not dock properly, NASA said. ...

... The launch is an important step for NASA and the United States, which currently has no means of independently reaching space. NASA relies on the Russian space agency to ferry U.S. astronauts to orbit.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 05:05 AM

18. The fact of the matter is, SpaceX has been able to accomplish in the span of a few years what NASA

hasn't gotten off their butts to do, for the past few decades, namely develop a reliable rocket which can most likely be man-rated, along with an economical, multi-purpose capsule that for now can be used for cargo and most likely soon will be able to ferry crew to and from, again, LEO.

This is not a slam on NASA; there are lots of good reasons for them not to re-invent the wheel. Low Earth Orbit is increasingly becoming a place where we live and work and do business, so that's not where NASA should be focusing their energy. And the Ares-1/Orion Capsule arrangement wasn't due to come online and take people into orbit until 2017, or so.. and even under the best-case scenario, the design had serious potential problems that several engineers had pointed out. Elon Musk is basically ready to do it, right now.

To my mind (barring further budget cuts) NASA is at least spending the meager resources they're still given where they can best do some long-range good; most importantly developing a heavy lift rocket which can be used in the boundary-pushing manned exploration (asteroids, the moon, eventually Mars) that is, really, NASA's mandate. For putting people on top of that, they can use the substantial work already done on the Orion capsule.

But I actually think the current plan is a good one, given the political realities. Of course, I strongly believe NASA -and science and exploration in general- needs more funding. You will not find a stronger proponent of both unmanned and manned, publicly funded space exploration than myself. I just don't think that is mutually exclusive with private development of space and space-related resources.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 05:14 AM

19. defunding will do that. and the defunding has been the result of the transfer of national income

 

to the rich. with the result that the exploration and its fruits will be privatized.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 05:16 AM

20. I think you're missing the point.

It doesn't make much sense to have NASA taxiing people to Low Earth Orbit. It DOES make sense to give the job to SpaceX.

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:52 PM

11. we did great things.

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:37 PM

12. Was about to post on this, I am watching a DVD on the landing.

A magnificent achievement, marred by Nixon interrupting them halfway through to congratulate them.

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:40 PM

13. One small step for man. One giant leap for mankind.

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:42 PM

15. We need to start dreaming big, again.

But part and parcel of that is optimism. I understand being disheartened, but I'd like to see it become cool to be an optimist, on our side, again.

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Response to JHB (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:48 PM

16. I have attached a video clip of the event...



It is interesting to listen to Neil Armstrong's description of the lunar surface.

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