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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPresident Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.
Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law. The purpose of section 338-17.8, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), is to accommodate foreign-born individuals whose parents were residents of Hawaii but were temporarily outside of this state due to employment or military service. Similar to section 338-20.5, HRS, which provides for a certificate of foreign birth, anyone who receives a birth certificate under this section would have noted on their birth certificate the physical location of their actual birth. It does not confer citizenship, which is, of course, a power of the federal government.
We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOHs website.
Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaiis vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.
Joshua A. Wisch
Special Assistant to the Attorney General
State of Hawaii
Dept. of the Attorney General
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Arpaio-Obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-162811056.html
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)even if he was born on the Moon!
check out the link -
the excerpt I posted was a response from the Hawaii DOH to that dumbass Sheriff.
It seems a lot of people are pretty damn fed up with him.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)it's just that I get so frustrated at teh stupid! Any time any one brings up the birth certificate, someone in the media should call them out on this!
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
A Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth IF... AND..
"One parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth and the birthdate is before November 14, 1986 but after October 10, 1952
The parents are married at the time of birth and the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. or its territories for a period of at least ten years at some time in his or her life prior to the birth, at least five of which were after his or her 14th birthday.
If the U.S. citizen parent spent time abroad in any of the following three capacities, this can also be counted towards the physical presence requirement:
Serving honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces;
Employed with the U.S. Government; or
Employed with certain international organizations.
Additionally, time spent abroad by the U.S. citizen parent while the U.S. citizen parent was the unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person who meets any of the three conditions listed above can also be counted.
If the child was born out of wedlock, see N-600: FAQ."
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextchannel=32dffe9dd4aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextoid=32dffe9dd4aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD
CatWoman
(79,295 posts)and thanks for the additional info
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)If one of your parents is a US citizen, so are you.
If teh stoopid were gold these idjits could buy the moon ten times over with change to spare.
Recovered Repug
(1,518 posts)For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock)[8]:
The person's parents were married at the time of birth
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
Obama's mother was only 18 when she gave birth. In theory, she would not have met the requirement of living in the US for at least 5 years after her 14th birthday (IOW at least 19 years old).
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CatWoman
(79,295 posts)bottom line is his mother was AMERICAN CITIZEN at the time of his birth.
end of story.
Recovered Repug
(1,518 posts)However, for a child born overseas with one American citizen there are other requirements needed for that child to have American citizenship.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_one_United_States_citizen
Or:
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Hawaii is AWESOME. Anyone who doesn't think its as American as any place else is an ass hat.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)but he's actually from Mars. In fact, "Sununu" is Martian for "blithering idiot."
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)"...but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud, you stupid fucking moron."?
Sheriff Joe has been trashing HI for quite awhile now. I think this is the third letter I've seen basically telling him to fuck off.
malaise
(268,930 posts)SICK!
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)There are some real racists out there. I see it's the same ones posting over and over again that they know the whole truth. So sick of this crap.