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CatWoman

(79,295 posts)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 03:49 PM Jul 2012

President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.

Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law. The purpose of section 338-17.8, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), is to accommodate foreign-born individuals whose parents were residents of Hawaii but were temporarily outside of this state due to employment or military service. Similar to section 338-20.5, HRS, which provides for a certificate of foreign birth, anyone who receives a birth certificate under this section would have noted on their birth certificate the physical location of their actual birth. It does not confer citizenship, which is, of course, a power of the federal government.

We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.

Joshua A. Wisch
Special Assistant to the Attorney General
State of Hawaii
Dept. of the Attorney General
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Arpaio-Obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-162811056.html

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President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid. (Original Post) CatWoman Jul 2012 OP
His mother was a US citizen which makes him a natural born US citizen hedgehog Jul 2012 #1
Hedge CatWoman Jul 2012 #2
Hi Cat Woman - I hope you didn't think that was aimed at you - hedgehog Jul 2012 #8
no, not at all CatWoman Jul 2012 #9
Oh, good! Sometimes a post can sound like a put-down even if that wasn't the poster's intention! hedgehog Jul 2012 #10
Yep. It really is that simple. hifiguy Jul 2012 #4
Actually, it's not quite that simple. Recovered Repug Jul 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jul 2012 #13
Where are you getting this from??? CatWoman Jul 2012 #14
That Obama's mother was an American citizen is not in question. Recovered Repug Jul 2012 #15
I have been to Hawaii a dozen times and found it to be American soil every time. roguevalley Jul 2012 #11
Sununu was born in Cuba, ProSense Jul 2012 #3
I wonder how badly Mr. Wisch wanted to end that letter... Wait Wut Jul 2012 #5
I'm sick of these fugging racists malaise Jul 2012 #6
Horrible link RockaFowler Jul 2012 #7

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
1. His mother was a US citizen which makes him a natural born US citizen
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 03:53 PM
Jul 2012

even if he was born on the Moon!

CatWoman

(79,295 posts)
2. Hedge
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 03:54 PM
Jul 2012

check out the link -

the excerpt I posted was a response from the Hawaii DOH to that dumbass Sheriff.

It seems a lot of people are pretty damn fed up with him.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
8. Hi Cat Woman - I hope you didn't think that was aimed at you -
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jul 2012

it's just that I get so frustrated at teh stupid! Any time any one brings up the birth certificate, someone in the media should call them out on this!

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

A Child Born Outside the U.S. is a Citizen at Birth IF... AND..

"One parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth and the birthdate is before November 14, 1986 but after October 10, 1952

The parents are married at the time of birth and the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. or its territories for a period of at least ten years at some time in his or her life prior to the birth, at least five of which were after his or her 14th birthday.

If the U.S. citizen parent spent time abroad in any of the following three capacities, this can also be counted towards the physical presence requirement:

Serving honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces;
Employed with the U.S. Government; or
Employed with certain international organizations.

Additionally, time spent abroad by the U.S. citizen parent while the U.S. citizen parent was the unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person who meets any of the three conditions listed above can also be counted.

If the child was born out of wedlock, see N-600: FAQ."

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextchannel=32dffe9dd4aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextoid=32dffe9dd4aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. Yep. It really is that simple.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 03:58 PM
Jul 2012

If one of your parents is a US citizen, so are you.

If teh stoopid were gold these idjits could buy the moon ten times over with change to spare.

Recovered Repug

(1,518 posts)
12. Actually, it's not quite that simple.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:43 AM
Jul 2012

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock)[8]:

The person's parents were married at the time of birth
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.



Obama's mother was only 18 when she gave birth. In theory, she would not have met the requirement of living in the US for at least 5 years after her 14th birthday (IOW at least 19 years old).

Response to Recovered Repug (Reply #12)

CatWoman

(79,295 posts)
14. Where are you getting this from???
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:19 AM
Jul 2012

bottom line is his mother was AMERICAN CITIZEN at the time of his birth.

end of story.

Recovered Repug

(1,518 posts)
15. That Obama's mother was an American citizen is not in question.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jul 2012

However, for a child born overseas with one American citizen there are other requirements needed for that child to have American citizenship.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_one_United_States_citizen

Or:
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html


roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
11. I have been to Hawaii a dozen times and found it to be American soil every time.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:36 AM
Jul 2012

Hawaii is AWESOME. Anyone who doesn't think its as American as any place else is an ass hat.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. Sununu was born in Cuba,
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jul 2012

but he's actually from Mars. In fact, "Sununu" is Martian for "blithering idiot."



Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
5. I wonder how badly Mr. Wisch wanted to end that letter...
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:11 PM
Jul 2012

"...but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud, you stupid fucking moron."?

Sheriff Joe has been trashing HI for quite awhile now. I think this is the third letter I've seen basically telling him to fuck off.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
7. Horrible link
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jul 2012

There are some real racists out there. I see it's the same ones posting over and over again that they know the whole truth. So sick of this crap.

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