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Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:26 PM

Are people conservative because they are wimps or because they are intellectually stupid?

I can't make up my mind. I'm beginning to think they are both. They're also perpetually scared.

Being scared turns them into conservatives as they think they are protecting their property and keeping it out of the hands of others.

Being intellectually inferior (e.g. stupid), they can understand that they are wrong and backing policies that only hurt them (witness the idiots voting for Romney who will do nothing to enrich the lives of anyone below the top 10 percent of the top 10 percent).

Being wimps, they act like crybabies when the left has no choice but to fight back and fight hard (witness the poor crybabies on the news channels complaining about the President's mean commercials calling Romney out to release his tax returns like any other prospective candidate has in recent memory).

i think repugs are scared, stupid, and wimpy.
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Repugs are scared
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Repugs are stupid
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Repugs are wimpy
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Repugs are all three
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Reply Are people conservative because they are wimps or because they are intellectually stupid? (Original post)
samsingh Jul 2012 OP
sadbear Jul 2012 #1
Quantess Jul 2012 #2
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #3
Initech Jul 2012 #4
turtlerescue1 Jul 2012 #5
RKP5637 Jul 2012 #6
retread Jul 2012 #11
turtlerescue1 Jul 2012 #19
Speck Tater Jul 2012 #7
samsingh Jul 2012 #8
Speck Tater Jul 2012 #9
samsingh Jul 2012 #10
Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #29
PassingFair Jul 2012 #12
DefenseLawyer Jul 2012 #13
Dirty Socialist Jul 2012 #38
begin_within Jul 2012 #14
FSogol Jul 2012 #16
standingtall Jul 2012 #15
Walk away Jul 2012 #28
Tace Jul 2012 #17
samsingh Jul 2012 #18
MadHound Jul 2012 #20
samsingh Jul 2012 #22
bigwillq Jul 2012 #21
eridani Jul 2012 #23
samsingh Jul 2012 #25
ellisonz Jul 2012 #24
GusFring Jul 2012 #26
Live and Learn Jul 2012 #27
The Second Stone Jul 2012 #30
Populist_Prole Jul 2012 #31
Mz Pip Jul 2012 #32
slackmaster Jul 2012 #37
samsingh Jul 2012 #40
slackmaster Jul 2012 #33
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #34
chknltl Jul 2012 #35
JustAnotherGen Jul 2012 #36
samsingh Jul 2012 #39

Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:27 PM

1. I'd like to believe they're stupid, but...

deep down, I have a feeling they're just scared (of a lot of different things.)

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:28 PM

2. They aren't all alike, though.

Something many of them have in common is willfully ignorant.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:34 PM

3. I think they are all 3, but most reasonably intelligent people can

often overcome scared and wimpy, especially when logical reasoning is presented to them. Therefore, although I think there is a component of all 3 involved, I tend to weight "stupid" more heavily.

And, although you did not list it, I think some people are basically conservative because of brain function ... there have been studies on this. Google it some if not familiar with the studies ...

That all said, some people are just plain F'en stupid, and many with high IQ's can fall into this category.


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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:35 PM

4. My theory is that they all scored low on South Park's TMI scale.

Thus turning them into the maniacal, psychotic, women hating, homophobic raging maniacs that they are.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:40 PM

5. Individually one or more of the three.

But I think afraid and closed-minded and self-righteous. Byrd's words: Deceived me into thinking I had something to protect.(My Back Pages)

Yet some of them are herd cows letting someone else make their decisions and being okay with that.

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Response to turtlerescue1 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:57 PM

6. Herd cows! Excellent description! n/t

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Response to turtlerescue1 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:05 PM

11. I hate it when people do this and here I am doing it!

Not the Byrds' words but Bob Dylan's.

However, regardless the author, very apt.

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Response to retread (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 10:07 PM

19. You're right

but I had it on a Byrds' album.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 06:07 PM

7. Other: A large percentage of ordinary Republicans

 

vote they way they do simply because they don't really pay attention to what's going on. They're not really stupid, just easily mislead as a result of their own inattention.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 06:58 PM

8. they certainly are self-absorbed, looking our for their own interest, and afraid that someone will

take their money or something. Which goes back to they're afraid.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:01 PM

9. Well, I can't really disagree with that.

 

The Republicans I know (all family members) are certainly on the paranoid side. Or at least borderline hyper-vigilant.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:02 PM

10. exactly!

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:29 PM

29. That sounds like my mom

she has a strange overriding fear of "different" despite, when we talk about actual policies, she seems like she understands- on some level- that Republican policies aren't necessarily all that great for most people like her/us.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:09 PM

12. 4 S's

Scared
Stupid
Superstitious
Selfish

Any of the above, or any combination of the above,
and you could be dealing with a Republican.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:11 PM

13. I think most are sociopaths

to some degree.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:16 PM

38. Only 4% of People Are Sociopaths

But most sociopaths are Republican, IMO. According to studies, either you're sociopath, or you're not.

I think a lot of Republicans are not stupid, but politically they think with their reptilian brains, which include base survival instincts and fight-or-flight syndrome.

I think that the top of the Republican Party (like Limbaugh, Norquist, Rove and Cheney) are infested with Sociopaths.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:13 PM

14. Selfishness is the root of it.

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Response to begin_within (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:49 PM

16. Exactly. Selfishness.

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:34 PM

15. A mixture of


Greed, Racism,Selfishness and stupidity. They constantly vote against their own interest. They've been convinced automobile workers make to money while at the same time believing Ceo's cannot make enough. They worship millionaires. They believe one day they will be millionaires. The reality is most people will never be rich, but considering the average republican voter is about in their 60's it just makes it even more stupid. The selfishness comes into play when repukes propose destroying medicare, and social security.

They will say anyone over 55 we will not touch your benefits. but anyone under that age is screwed. Then they rush to the voting booth to vote for repukes, because they got theirs, and screw everybody else.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:24 PM

28. That about sums it up except for the really stupid ones....

who think they are the ones being used by the folks who "want something for nothing" (code for black or brown skinned). I am meeting a lot of them lately. I had a neighbor arguing with me about the Democrats wanting to raise his taxes and give the money to people who don't want to work for a living. Then I find out he has been on unemployment for two years because his wife worked and he stayed home to provide free child care! When I suggested he was getting something for nothing he simply couldn't make the connection.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 08:23 PM

17. Morally Depraved

From what I've been reading on this thread, it appears that we've missed the option of "depraved."

I was raised by two right-wing nutters, and I can tell you that, while "all of the above" is true, it misses the crux of the apostrophe.

Modern Republicans and their followers are morally depraved.

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Response to Tace (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 08:35 PM

18. i should have put that in.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 10:36 PM

20. They are *gasp* human beings,

 

I've known conservatives who were intelligent, and certainly not wimps, nor scared of life. I've known Democrats who were indeed stupid, wimps and scared of life.

In short, we are all human, exhibiting human traits. Human frailties and foibles aren't politically based, they are simply, ultimately all too human.

One other thing I also know that there are conservatives who say the very same thing you did about Democrats and liberals.

We're all human, let's not let that get lost in the mix.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:43 AM

22. the facts speak for themselves - rush avoided the draft, John Kerry volunteered to go to Viet Nam

look at the crying from the conservatives that they are being treated harshly by the Democrats in this election cycle. Where were these so-called high road conservatives when John Kerry was being Swiftboated or when coulter spews her venomous bullshit about liberals?

repugs and conservatives, for the most part, are gutless, stupid, liars and hypocrites.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 10:44 PM

21. Most are a combo of all 3 (nt)

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:20 AM

23. Stupid and wimpy, no.

Why did you leave off "sociopath"?

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Response to eridani (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:07 PM

25. sociopath is very accurate as well

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 07:33 AM

24. Whiners. n/t

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:14 PM

26. selfishness and fear. They're highly educated repukes. Hell, Sununu went to MIT.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:15 PM

27. I vote for psychopathic and\or ignorant. nt

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:36 PM

30. People vote what they think is right and/or their interest

The fact that an outsider like me thinks that most conservatives vote against their own interests out of poor critical thinking skills combined with being successfully propagandized into those thinking patters is really just my opinion. It's their right to do that. If I want it changed, I need to see that people are better educated with critical thinking skills and then provide counters to the propaganda. It's a democracy.

As for the 1%, some of them do actually have conservatism in their personal selfish best interest. But many of them actually think the right thing to do is vote Democratic, like Warren Buffet.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:52 PM

31. 'I'm with stupid'. Here's why

For the same reason a few others have said so far: All those other flaws can be mitigated or kept in check by intelligence. Being uninformed, willingly or otherwise just lets other human failings take the forefront and have a life of their own.

Anecdotally, the conservatives I know ( some are friends, some are co-workers ) who are so, due to lack of depth of thought/critical thinking or just plain mental laziness ( not necessarily "stupid" ) I can tell this because I've engaged them in discussion enough times, over a long enough period to come to my opinion on the matter.

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:55 PM

32. Authoritarian personality types

come in all levels of intelligence.

While there certainly are authoritarian left people out there, most authoritarians seem to be conservative.

To paraphrase John Stuart Mill - Not all conservatives are stupid but most stupid people are conservative.

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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:07 PM

37. Authoritarianism is certainly not exclusively under the umbrella of conservatism

 

We see extremely authoritarian "progressive" ideas posted constantly on these forums.

While there certainly are authoritarian left people out there, most authoritarians seem to be conservative.

It depends on where you look. On DU most authoritarians are pretty far to the left.

A Chinese co-worker once said to me "A left jack-boot up your ass feels no better than a right jack-boot up your ass.

He's a smart man.

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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:27 PM

40. thats true

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:00 PM

33. Michael Shermer's column in the latest Scientific American explores the question

 

In a nutshell, the tribal nature of parties and the divisiveness of our politics can be explained in evolutionary terms.

...Why are we so predictable and tribal in our politics? In his remarkably enlightening book, The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion (Pantheon, 2012), University of Virginia psychologist Jonathan Haidt argues that to both liberals and conservatives, members of the other party are not just wrong; they are righteously wrong—morally suspect and even dangerous. “Our righteous minds made it possible for human beings,” Haidt argues, “to produce large cooperative groups, tribes, and nations without the glue of kinship. But at the same time, our righteous minds guarantee that our cooperative groups will always be cursed by moralistic strife.” Thus, he shows, morality binds us together into cohesive groups but blinds us to the ideas and motives of those in other groups.

The evolutionary Rubicon that our species crossed hundreds of thousands of years ago that led to the moral hive mind was a result of “shared intentionality,” which is “the ability to share mental representations of tasks that two or more of were pursuing together. For example, while foraging, one person pulls down a branch while the other plucks the fruit, and they both share the meal.” Chimps tend not to display this behavior, Haidt says, but “when early humans began to share intentions, their ability to hunt, gather, raise children, and raid their neighbors increased exponentially. Everyone on the team now had a mental representation of the task, knew that his or her partners shared the same representation, knew when a partner had acted in a way that impeded success or that hogged the spoils, and reacted negatively to such violations.” Examples of modern political violations include Democrat John Kerry being accused of being a “flip-flopper” for changing his mind and Republican Mitt Romney declaring himself “severely conservative” when it was suggested he was wishy-washy in his party affiliation.

Our dual moral nature leads Haidt to conclude that we need both liberals and conservatives in competition to reach a livable middle ground. As philosopher John Stuart Mill noted a century and a half ago: “A party of order or stability, and a party of progress or reform, are both necessary elements of a healthy state of political life.”


For full column see http://www.michaelshermer.com/2012/06/the-science-of-righteousness/

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:01 PM

34. wimpy doesnt fit to me ...should be greedy or stupid

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:01 PM

35. How the right wing brain works

(This article is likely germane here).

"There really is a science of conservative morality, and it really is vastly different from liberal morality. And there are key lessons to be drawn from this research."

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/154607/how_the_right-wing_brain_works_and_what_that_means_for_progressives/?page=entire

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Response to samsingh (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:02 PM

36. Intellectually Lazy

Lack curiousity, love authority

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #36)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:17 PM

39. they have no empathy

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