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Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:05 PM

The state owns your DL or state ID

It can be revoked or police can confiscate it. That, I think, is one of the most convincing reasons to oppose photo ID laws.

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Reply The state owns your DL or state ID (Original post)
loyalsister Jul 2012 OP
KansDem Jul 2012 #1
Major Nikon Jul 2012 #11
cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #2
HopeHoops Jul 2012 #3
RebelOne Jul 2012 #4
loyalsister Jul 2012 #5
rustydog Jul 2012 #10
loyalsister Jul 2012 #18
HopeHoops Jul 2012 #9
cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #7
HopeHoops Jul 2012 #8
loyalsister Jul 2012 #19
loyalsister Jul 2012 #6
momsadem Jul 2012 #12
loyalsister Jul 2012 #13
Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #14
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #15
LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #20
B Calm Jul 2012 #16
loyalsister Jul 2012 #17
dragonlady Jul 2012 #21
loyalsister Jul 2012 #22

Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:19 PM

1. Driving is a privilege; voting is a right...

Voting should not be linked to anything that's a "privilege."

Too bad Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach doesn't think that way--

Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach welcomes you to Vote Kansas! This website guides you through each step of the Kansas election process, including changes implemented in 2012. We hope it will be useful as you exercise your voting privilege and responsibility. Please contact the Secretary of State's office with questions or comments.

http://www.voteks.org/

The more times Repubs can get away with this, the more people will began to view voting as a privilege.

If your DL/ID can be revoked or confiscated, you are being denied the right to vote without due process...

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Response to KansDem (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 10:52 PM

11. Both are rights which can't be abridged without the opportunity for due process

But even if the state takes away someone's DL, they can still get a state issued ID, or a federal ID like a passport or military ID will work as well.

I think trying to argue against voter ID laws on that basis isn't going to go anywhere. The best argument against voter ID is that it effectively disenfranchises voters for no other reason besides disenfranchising voters.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:24 PM

2. Never heard of a state ID being revoked. n/t

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:29 PM

3. Wrong. They'll revoke it for a number of medical conditions including one I have.

 

Fortunately they haven't tracked me down to take it, but they certainly could. Getting a license back with epilepsy is not an easy task. You can still get a photo ID, just not a driver's license.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:48 PM

4. Why can you not get a driver's license if you have epilepsy?

I don't remember any health problem questions when I got my license. Ho would they know unless you told them?

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:56 PM

5. It depends on the state

Some have mandatory reporting. Others it is left between patient and Dr. But, there is usually a requirement that a person be seizure free for a period of 6 months- 1 yr.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 10:27 PM

10. If I recall correctly, my brother had a seizure history when he was younger and

until he was seizure-free for a year he could not renew his driver's license. Washington state.

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Response to rustydog (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 01:27 AM

18. Every time I see my Dr. I'm instructed to not drive

Had a good conversation with them about mandatory reporting. They are against it because they think a people will avoid seeing their Dr. if something does happen.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:14 PM

9. I've had a number of seizures. By law, the doctors should report it. They haven't.

 

Once you get a report on the PennDOT system, you essentially lose your license for life because in order to regain it you have to prove that you've been seizure-free for six months. How the FUCK are you supposed to do that? Some of mine have been at 3 in the morning and only my wife knows, but she also knows the 911 break-line for them. Who the hell can certify that you're seizure free? There's no test for that.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 02:33 PM

7. I was talking ID not DL. n/t

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:12 PM

8. Oh, right. Yeah, they can't do that.

 

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 01:28 AM

19. Did you see my hypothetical?

There are ways that either can be confiscated.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 02:06 PM

6. Good point

But, there are conditions under which it could be. A minor sibling "borrows" it and tries to buy beer. A cop or bartender can confiscate it. Then you have to go through bureaucratic channels to get it back. Hope you can find you birth certificate!

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 11:06 PM

12. I don't Oppose Voter ID Laws

 

With the exception of a few people at the homeless shelter where I volunteer, I don't know anyone who doesn't have an ID. The people at the shelter are definitely not going to vote anyway.
I just don't see the argument for this one.

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Response to momsadem (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:17 AM

13. Do you know anyone who lives in a nursing home?

Like the 84 yr. old woman I know who stopped renewing when she stopped driving. Now she has to spend money to get her BC from another state so that she can hopefully get a state photo ID.

Then there's my friend who has a spinal cord injury, doesn't drive, no one writes checks anymore. There are people for whom it is mostly unnecessary and a burden to spend the time and especially the money to get one for this single purpose.

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Response to momsadem (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:17 AM

14. So they don't get to vote because YOU deem they weren't going to vote anyway?

Do a little research.

Ah never mind. Somehow I suspect what "you don't know" about the ID issue is deliberate.

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Response to momsadem (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:21 AM

15. Let me mention some folks

Old people who have not renewed their ID.... they tend to vote democratic by the way.

Students, who move often from state to state.

Low income people, like your homeless, who do NOT live near a DMV... and in many a case they would love to vote.

You know how you solve this problem if you are truly a fan of ID's, we make them free, and so easy to obtain, as in processing centers are everywhere, it is not even funny, and we make it a point of doing this during the census.

Oh wait, that ain't gonna happen since that is not the objective of these ID's.

So we go back to people who for a variety of reasons do not have them, but have a right to vote.

Voting IDs are a big distraction. Last federal election we had 87 confirmed cases nationwide. Explain to me how is that rampant?

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Response to momsadem (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 03:58 AM

20. 'The people in the homeless shelter are definitely not going to vote anyway'

And is that just to be accepted as OK? One of the big problems with government is indeed that very poor people are often not represented. Should we accept putting yet further obstacles in the way of their representation?

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:23 AM

16. Wow, I never thought about it that way.

But yes you could lose your right to vote for a drunk driving conviction.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 01:22 AM

17. Actually even with just a charge

If someone is caught on a Monday night and cops confiscate ID the channels and bureaucracy it takes Tuesday could keep a person from being able to vote.

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Response to loyalsister (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 01:09 PM

21. A related scenario

What if someone steals your purse or wallet on election day? Can you get a replacement ID in time to vote?

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Response to dragonlady (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 02:15 PM

22. I guess it depends on the line at the DMV and...

How easily you can access your birth certificate.

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