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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:35 AM

Top Ten Reefer Madness Stories of 2011

I already noted the one flawed data study - now for the real crazies

http://www.alternet.org/story/153619/the_silly%2C_the_stupid%2C_and_the_just_plain_false%3A_the_top_ten_%27reefer_madness%27_stories_of_2011?page=entire

American Cancer Society
Marijuana use can lead to amputation
http://stash.norml.org/american-cancer-society-says-marijuana-use-can-lead-to-amputation

UK Daily Mail
Cannabis Kills 30k a Year
http://stash.norml.org/uk-daily-mail-cannabis-kills-30000-a-year

Florida Woman Arrested At Work, Body Cavity Searched, Forced to Spend the Night in Jail... for possession Sage
aka most common test for cannabis results in wrongful arrest
http://www.alternet.org/story/147613/has_the_most_common_marijuana_test_resulted_in_tens_of_thousands_of_wrongful_convictions?page=entire

and more at the first link...

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Reply Top Ten Reefer Madness Stories of 2011 (Original post)
RainDog Dec 2011 OP
hobbit709 Dec 2011 #1
RainDog Dec 2011 #4
JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #2
RainDog Dec 2011 #5
Romulox Dec 2011 #3
cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #6
RainDog Dec 2011 #7

Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:49 AM

1. nothing surprising there.

Lots of tests give false positives and all of them have been used to convict someone.

Friend of mine just went through two years of BS on a false positive for meth on a hair follicle test.
Turned out that the refrigerant chemicals he worked with as a repairman gave false positives. took two years to clear his name with TX CPS.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 10:07 AM

4. omg

if I ever had to take a drug test, I know now not to work on my refridge, eat poppyseed bagels and, uh, other stuff for at least 3 days prior to...

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:51 AM

2. Lunacy abounds.

Seems to me the most hysterical among the reefer-madness-crowd would benefit the most from smoking a little reefer.

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:06 PM

5. crazy stories

sounds like paranoia to me... maybe they need to lay off the fear factor

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 10:06 AM

3. Eric Holder isn't on that list?

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:12 PM

6. BWAHAHA The symptoms of a marijuana overdose...

"The symptoms of a marijuana overdose include nausea, vomiting, hacking cough, disturbances to heart rhythms, and numbness in the limbs."

http://stash.norml.org/american-cancer-society-says-marijuana-use-can-lead-to-amputation

The symptoms of a turkey dinner overdose incude crashing out on the couch.

The symptoms of an ice cream overdose include saying, "Damn. I sure ate a lot of ice cream."

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:43 PM

7. that one really surprised me

Esp. since marijuana is such an effective substance to prevent or STOP nausea and vomiting. It makes me wonder who the hack is over at the American Cancer Society writing this crap and question why they did not bother to do any research.

The impossibility of an overdose was established by THE DEA and was entered into testimony by Judge Young, of the DEA, in 1988

“At present it is estimated that marijuana’s LD-50 is around1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response."

with addition findings, below -

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Drug Enforcement Administration
_______________________________________

In The Matter Of
Docket No. 86-22
MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION )
_______________________________________
OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF
FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF
Administrative LAW JUDGE.
FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge
DATED: SEP 6 1988

FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge

……………………

Part VIII.

ACCEPTED SAFETY FOR USE UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION

With respect to whether or not there is “a lack of accepted safety
for use of under medical supervision”, the record shows the
following facts to be uncontroverted.

Findings of Fact

Point 3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug
safety is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug
cause death?

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal
effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no
record in the extensive medical literature describing a
proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on
marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience.
Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of
people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from
twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit
illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct
medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use
and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers,
there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest
that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter
medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is
called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage
fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as
a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers
have attempted to determine marijuana’s LD-50 rating in
test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers
have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce
death.

8. At present it is estimated that marijuana’s LD-50 is
around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in
order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to
consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is
contained in onemarijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied
marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker
would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of
marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal
response.

9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal
response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

10. Another common medical way to determine drug safety is
called the therapeutic ratio. This ratio defines the
difference between a therapeutically effective dose and a
dose which is capable of inducing adverse effects.

11. A commonly used over-the-counter product like aspirin
has a therapeutic ratio of around 1:20. Two aspirins are
the recommended dose for adult patients. Twenty times this
dose, forty aspirins, may cause a lethal reaction in some
patients, and will almost certainly cause gross injury to
the digestive system, including extensive internal
bleeding.

12. The therapeutic ratio for prescribed drugs is commonly
around 1:10 or lower. Valium, a commonly used prescriptive
drug, may cause very serious biological damage if patients
use ten times the recommended (therapeutic) dose.

13. There are, of course, prescriptive drugs which have
much lower therapeutic ratios. Many of the drugs used to
treat patients with cancer, glaucoma and multiple sclerosis
are highly toxic. The therapeutic ratio of some of the
drugs used in antineoplastic therapies, for example, are
regarded as extremely toxic poisons with therapeutic ratios
that may fall below 1:1.5. These drugs also have very low
LD-50 ratios and can result in toxic, even lethal
reactions, while being properly employed.

14. By contrast, marijuana’s therapeutic ratio, like its
LD-50, is impossible to quantify because it is so high.

15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than
many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw
potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it
is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce
death.

16. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest
therapeutically active substances known to man. By any
measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used
within a supervised routine of medical care.”


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