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Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:30 PM

 

Fresno police drowned father by Tasering him, hogtying him, then sticking a garden hose

"onto (his) face and mouth" when he pleaded for water.

When the police responding to a domestic disturbance call, as witness by the man's children who they say was not armed and had committed no crime, the police pepper-sprayed their father and then Tasered him a “countless number of times.” The children also observed that while their father was hogtied, handcuffed, and faced down in their backyard, one of the cops kept his knee on their father's back.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/10/45478.htm

Then, according to the information from the federal complaint:
“Decedent stated that he couldn’t breathe and that he needed water; an officer ran water from a hose onto decedent’s face and mouth to the point of making it more difficult for decedent to breathe. Decedent tried to move his mouth away from the water and gasp for air. A witness yelled ‘He can’t breathe, you’re drowning him,’ but the officer continued running water over decedent’s face.

“After turning the water off, the Doe Officer(s) continued to press his knee against decedent’s back and continued to put pressure on it. Witnesses repeatedly asked officers to let decedent get up because he couldn’t breathe, but their cries for help were ignored. “By now there were in excess of 15 deputies and officers on the scene.
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“Officers, after much pleading from witnesses, checked decedent’s pulse and discovered he had stopped breathing after not feeling anything when they touched decedent’s neck. “Decedent had his handcuffs taken off and was untied and placed on his back on the ground. After some time had passed, an officer started doing chest compressions but none of the officers administered mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to the decedent. Ultimately a witness at the scene administered CPR to decedent. “Some time later, an ambulance arrived and took over trying to revive decedent.”
http://theduckshoot.com/blog/californian-cops-pepper-sprayed-tasered-drowned-innocent-father/

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Reply Fresno police drowned father by Tasering him, hogtying him, then sticking a garden hose (Original post)
AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 OP
msongs Jul 2012 #1
uppityperson Jul 2012 #4
Abra Jul 2012 #18
bvar22 Jul 2012 #60
TheDuckShoot Jul 2012 #100
Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #2
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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:34 PM

1. every "officer" there who did not attempt to stop this belongs in prison nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:44 PM

4. +1000

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:43 PM

18. Agreed. This is horrific.

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:10 AM

60. A very public "FEDERAL" prosecution followed by Severe Penalties...

...would go a long way toward stopping this type of thing.
As long as these crimes are handled locally,
we won't see much change.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #60)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 07:26 PM

100. "FEDERAL" prosecution - right on the button.

The culture of "we do it because we can get away with it" must be broken. What is happening in the USA is now migrating to the United Kingdom and have you seen the atrocities in Madrid, Spain. Go to Twitter #marchaminera.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:36 PM

2. Another day, another police murder. God bless Amercia! n/t

 

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:05 AM

45. "Land of the Frreeeeee!

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #45)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:07 PM

90. And new home of the jack-booted SS

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #45)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 07:29 PM

101. "Land of the Frreeeeee!

Yes and once I would have suggested that we in Europe were in fact freer, but not anymore.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:40 PM

3. Murder, and accessories to murder.

Every one of those cops should be charged.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:50 PM

5. murder.....plain and simple.......

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Response to dhill926 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:05 AM

44. +1

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Response to dhill926 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:50 AM

58. Murder and torture.

Because they were clearly trying to inflict pain and suffering on someone who could not resist in any way...
And why are we hiring these sociopath as cops?...the whole department should be fired and hire some normal people to do the job...it is not that we don't need the jobs pr that normal people could not do it.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:54 PM

6. Wonder how many troubled Iraq/Afghanistan vets now work as cops?

Blow back?

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Response to Junkdrawer (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:05 PM

7. Wonder how many were Blackwater mercenaries? nt

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Response to bananas (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 07:31 PM

102. Blackwater mercenaries?

Tell me more.

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Response to TheDuckShoot (Reply #102)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:33 PM

115. Here's something to get you started

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Response to Junkdrawer (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:29 PM

23. Could've 'roid rage, too...

Congress needs to stop worrying about baseball and start looking at the steroid problem in most big city police departments.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:01 AM

38. Wow. Didn't know that.

But make sense.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:05 PM

8. New CPR for lay people says no breaths/ mouth to mouth

But under the circumstances they would be warranted, but these police probably couldn't make such a thoughtful decision.

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Response to siligut (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:35 PM

14. I don't believe that includes drowning victims. Not 100% sure though. n/t

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Response to siligut (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:32 PM

79. don't they make face shields for this? n/t

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Response to siligut (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:56 PM

86. That's simply not true - why would you give out false info w/out checking?

Oct. 18, 2010 -- New guidelines released today by the American Heart Association recommend that the three steps of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) be rearranged.

The new first step is doing chest compressions instead of first establishing the airway and then doing mouth to mouth. The new guidelines apply to adults, children, and infants but exclude newborns.

The old way was A-B-C -- for airway, breathing and compressions.

The new way is C-A-B -- for compressions, airway, and breathing.

"By starting with chest compressions, that's easy to remember, and for many victims that alone will be lifesaving," says Michael R. Sayre, MD, chair of the emergency cardiovascular care committee for the American Heart Association and co-author of the executive summary of the 2010 AHA guidelines for CPR and emergency cardiovascular care.

The old approach, he says, was causing delays in chest compressions, which are crucial for keeping the blood circulating.

The new guidelines may inspire more people to perform CPR, says Sayre, an associate professor of emergency medicine at Ohio State University, Columbus. "Mouth to mouth is hard if you're not trained," he tells WebMD. ''Anybody can do chest compressions, whether they have had a class or not. Good chest compressions really help save lives. In many cases, there is a reserve of oxygen left in the patient's blood and lungs, from the last breath, and we can take advantage of that oxygen reserve and just do chest compressions."
How to Do the New CPR

Here is a step-by-step guide for the new CPR:

1. Call 911 or ask someone else to do so.

2. Try to get the person to respond; if he doesn't, roll the person on his or her back.

3. Start chest compressions. Place the heel of your hand on the center of the victim's chest. Put your other hand on top of the first with your fingers interlaced.

4. Press down so you compress the chest at least 2 inches in adults and children and 1.5 inches in infants. ''One hundred times a minute or even a little faster is optimal," Sayre says. (That's about the same rhythm as the beat of the Bee Gee's song "Stayin' Alive.")

5. If you're been trained in CPR, you can now open the airway with a head tilt and chin lift.

6. Pinch closed the nose of the victim. Take a normal breath, cover the victim's mouth with yours to create an airtight seal, and then give two, one-second breaths as you watch for the chest to rise.

7. Continue compressions and breaths -- 30 compressions, two breaths -- until help arrives.

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/heart-failure/news/20101015/new-cpr-guidelines-chest-compressions-first

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Response to Mosby (Reply #86)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:32 PM

94. Why would I give out false information?

I wouldn't. I specified lay people and stated that in this case initial breaths would be warranted. I didn't give out the complete sequence as you did. I was not instructing people on the Internet on how to do lay CPR, that would be just silly. I was commenting that perhaps the new CPR was why the officer didn't give the initial breaths. Obviously this case was mishandled.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #86)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:36 PM

97. Thank-you! that was good to learn/read.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:09 PM

9. Fresno, home of Free Republic.

I'm not surprised.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:12 PM

10. And this cop will probably be acquitted



The problem: Every time a guilty cop goes free, I think it becomes that much more dangerous for all the other cops out there.

There will come a tipping point when police brutality will send people over the edge.

Trickle-down violence is the worst kind. These cops are modeling behavior; they will end up on the dead side of that behavior eventually if they are never called to account.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:13 PM

11. They get off all the time. Because jurys are made up of idiots!

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:54 AM

31. Jury?

This often gets handled internally in corrupt police departments with equally corrupt DAs.

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:57 AM

32. Most of these cases never make it to a jury

Internal affairs.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:04 AM

43. Internal Affairs.

 

What a fucking joke. They should be disbanded and a civilian review with no ties at all to any LEO, should be empowered to investigate and take action where warranted. The police should not be investigating themselves. That's like having the fox guard the chicken coop against other foxes.

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Response to permatex (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:32 AM

63. Some cities do

After a few of those SDPD has to deal with it. Hence higher number of cases actually go to a jury, and cops hate it.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #63)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:59 AM

69. If cops hate it

 

then it's good for the general public.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 03:02 PM

87. Go Free! Hell, he will get a medal from the GOP at their convention for fighting crime.

This will be followed up with a banquet and parade for him and his fellow officers for their magnificent response to a "potentially dangerous" situation in which they put their very lives in danger. They will be especially thanks for their human treatment of him by providing for this desperate criminal with a generous supply of water to quench his thirst. Their restraint will be a model to be copied by other police organizations.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:15 PM

12. Yay, Cops!

They're the best!

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:22 PM

13. and the children watched their father murdered by police?

how do we stop this?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:35 PM

15. Civilian review boards. n/t

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:30 AM

39. This.

I have been saying this for years.

I doubt it will ever happen, though. They will never loosen the death grip of power they feel entitled to.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:39 PM

16. Sick bastards

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:40 PM

17. 'Waterboarded', Tortured, and murdered

WTF's wrong with these cops? Truly, we have a national problem!

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Response to dmr (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:59 PM

20. My thought too...when you torture them there...you end up with torture here.

Once there is culture of acceptance for summary justice administered by cops it can't be prevented.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:08 AM

47. "When you torture them there...you end up with torture here." And perfectly acceptable, apparently.

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Response to dmr (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:58 AM

33. Chickens and roosts come to mind

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:52 PM

19. What I think really makes me sad is

that this doesn't surprise me at all anymore. I remember as a kid we all looked up to cops. But stories like this are just common place anymore. Really sad. Wonder what lesson his kids will take away from what they saw.

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Response to skydive forever (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:22 PM

21. Welcome to DU

people will say that not all cops are like this. However, when a cop does wrong, the rest circle the wagons around him. If the good cops refuse to weed out the bad, then they are all bad.

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Response to skydive forever (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:22 PM

22. I don't think the police were less abusive when I was kid.

More like the blessed innocence of childhood shielded me from the fact police officers were beating the crap out of black people for the sin of being black and other assorted abuses. As an adult I see the abuses allowed to go on and try to remind myself not all police are abusive evil shits. And every time I read another one of these stories that just gets a little harder.

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Response to SmileyRose (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:04 AM

36. Read the Ten Point Plan from the original Black Panthers

http://www.blackpanther.org/TenPoint.htm

7. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER OF BLACK PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, All OPPRESSED PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES.
We believe that the racist and fascist government of the United States uses its domestic enforcement agencies to carry out its program of oppression against black people, other people of color and poor people inside the united States. We believe it is our right, therefore, to defend ourselves against such armed forces and that all Black and oppressed people should be armed for self defense of our homes and communities against these fascist police forces.


Going down the list is quite a surprise for a lot of people.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:28 PM

24. What other explanation is there than they did this because they could & GET AWAY WTIH IT.

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Response to patrice (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:10 AM

48. No other explanation.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:36 PM

25. better get used to this kind of treatment, folks..

it ain't getting better anytime soon.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:41 PM

26. K&R

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:47 PM

27. An old saying that is increasingly true

 

"Is the cry 'Help, Police!' a call for assistance or a cry of alarm and despair."

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:49 PM

28. No cop defenders? No spouting "we don't know all the facts"?

Sort of disappointed. I've come to expect it.

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:29 AM

29. We don`t know all the facts.

It`s entirely possible that the cop will burn in hell. But we can`t know that for sure because we don`t actually know if hell exists.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:47 AM

30. There needs to be a SEVERE pull back on the power of the police.

Regardless of what the FOP lobbies for.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:03 AM

34. The coarsening of America is in full bloom. n/t

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:03 AM

35. Murder One.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:38 AM

37. The whole lot of them should be tried for murder in the 2 nd degree....

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:35 AM

40. Where are the DU Cop-Fluffers?

They usually arrive within minutes.

Strange . . . .

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Response to hatrack (Reply #40)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:40 AM

64. kinda hard to make the "few bad apples" argument when 15 of these fuckers are standing around..

watching their fellow officer murder this guy. they'll avoid this thread like the plague.

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Response to frylock (Reply #64)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 07:39 PM

104. The bad apple theory is used in the UK too

My answer to that claim is that while cops lie to protect each other they are all going rotten. An honest cop is as rare as rocking horse poo.

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Response to hatrack (Reply #40)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:07 PM

77. My daddy and my grand pappy were cops! And they were REAL nice to Me! And bought me stuff!

My brother was a cop!

And as far as I know, they never killed nobody,"tuned" some up or lied in court. I mean, they never TOLD me they did!

You r all a bunch of haters!!!!!

How is that for a start?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:40 AM

41. proto-gestopo. nt

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Response to Javaman (Reply #41)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:08 AM

46. In my opinion

 

they are teetering right on the edge of becoming like the brown shirts of Nazi Germany.
And they wonder why they are hated and viewed with such deep suspicion.

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Response to permatex (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:12 AM

49. They shouldn't wonder. I'll certainly avoid calling any for assistance.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #49)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:26 AM

52. The truly sad thing is that in my

 

30 years as a Phoenix Firefighter, I worked extensively with police and I saw the evolution of the attitude from wanting to help the public to the us vs. the public attitude. I have a couple of relatives in LE and I see it from them, one of them told me one time that as far as he was concerned, there are cops and there are future suspects.
Needless to say, we barely talk anymore.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:58 AM

42. And another case of police murdering a citizen.

 

WTF is it going to take to stop all this police brutality?
And the police wonder why they are so hated and viewed with deep suspicion.

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Response to permatex (Reply #42)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:31 AM

62. There are two possible ways to stop this...

Sweeping, massive investigation from a federal level...

Or cops suffering exactly what they deliver to the community.

This "internal investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing" bullshit needs to end.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #62)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:04 PM

70. I think it's going to take both.

 

The cops suffering exactly what they deliver to the community which, hopefully, triggers a massive federal investigation.
I would truly hate to have it happen this way, but, sometimes it needs to happen to get the slugish federal system moving.

Note to Admins: I am emphatically not advocating violence against law enforcement.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:15 AM

50. they're the good guys - they save kitties and stuff. few bad apples, and all that.....

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:17 AM

51. We the people have allowed this to happen.

This kind of thing started happening more and more frequently after 9/11 and with the introduction of tasers and riot gear among regular police. I got into arguments years ago with people who consider themselves to be progressive when I started pointing out this kind of thing. Too many people prize "law and order" over rights and due process. This is the end result.

I'm not saying that all police are bad. Most of them are dedicated, hardworking professionals. But there's too much of this kind of thing going on. Way too much.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:36 AM

53. This is murder, plain and simple.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #53)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:49 AM

67. Agreed--about 15 Fresno cops need to go away for 15 to 20.

Including the ones who stood around and did nothing.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:39 AM

54. This happened in April but I have done a GS and don't find any current info

about what, if anything, has happened since.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:41 AM

55. Sounds like premeditated murder to me.

How many members of this criminal gang have been charged and prosecuted?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:42 AM

56. More "bad apples" ruining things for the other 10% of cops.

These motherfuckers should be in jail for the rest of their lives. Any cop who stood and watched while doing nothing deserves 25 years in the pen.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:49 AM

57. Example here of bad cop(s) Broadbrushing all cops as such here...

...would be example of bad DUer(s).
nuff said.

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Response to chknltl (Reply #57)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:42 AM

66. get back to me when 15 DUers stand around watching another DUer murder a man..

until then, fuck your premise.

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Response to frylock (Reply #66)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:55 AM

68. When you REALLY need a cop and he/she shows up....

Last edited Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:44 PM - Edit history (1)

...you need only apologize to them for your post to me....I am no longer where you are at.
RIP Lakewood 4, we got your back!

Edited to add: this DUer chose to not 'stand around and watch'.

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Response to chknltl (Reply #68)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:59 PM

73. never needed a cop once in my life..

at this point, i would be reluctant to call the cops for anything.

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Response to frylock (Reply #73)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:21 PM

88. countless times cops have put their lives on the line.

For us. Then there is that time when someone you love is in harms way, maybe the cops got there in time, maybe not.... but they went after the bad guy. Going after the bad guy who would do you or your loved ones harm is why most cops sign up to be cops.

Stories of the good that cops do for us each day go unsung for the most part. For the cops who do these good things for us it is just another day on the job. For those on the receiving end of such good deeds....well...it can be a profound and life changing event.

While driving, having a cop behind you will get your attention in a worrisome way. Getting pulled over can mean the loss of a great deal of money fuels our concerns. Worse, there ARE bad cops out there...no getting around that. It is a sad fact that the actions of the bad cops color our perception of all cops.
The media only adds gas to that perception by focusing on the bad and ignoring the good.

I spent a large part of my life telling folks this:
"If you want to be a Dudly Do Right sort become a fireman or a paramedics, but if you want to be an asshole become a cop."
A few years back I was on the receiving end of the good that cops do for us. It changed my whole attitude. My new saying is: "It is not about what they do TO you, what truly is important is what they do FOR you." I stand by that and deeply regret my earlier 'philosophy'

Then we lost four of Lakewood finest in a single moment. That one was too close to home, that one stung our comunity hard. Those four shall never be forgotten.

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Response to chknltl (Reply #88)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:26 PM

106. roofing is a far more hazardous occupation than being a police..

where's all the threads heaping praise on roofers? you use a roof every damn day of your life. how many times have you needed a police?

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Response to frylock (Reply #106)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:10 PM

112. roofers did not put in overtime....

....to capture the murderers of my best friend's fiancee. Should the bad guys kidnap a child from your neighborhood I know you won't be looking to those roofers to mount a reacue.

There is an old saying: Garbage in Garbage out. When a community comes together to support their cops, those same cops tend to support that community. Otoh. If that same community thinks it a good notion to spit on their cops....

I am not saying ya gotta buy them all donuts, but a friendly wave when driving by a patrolcar, maybe say hello when you happen to walk by a cop on the sidewalk, a smile couldn't hurt either. In Lakewood,Wa., cops going into coffee shops or drivethroughs sometimes find their bill prepaid anonymously.

It would be nice if I could soften your outlook regarding the boys and girls in blue but I can tell my attempts are in vain. It is my sincere hope that you nor your loved ones will never need a cop. That said, if someday you or someone you cherish is in need of a cop, odds are the cops want to be there for you, regardless of how you feel. Perhaps on that day, you will join the millions of people across this country who appreciate what cops can do for you.

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Response to chknltl (Reply #112)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:41 PM

118. oh, i see. the cops haven't beat the shit out of you or someone you know..

well good for you!

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Response to frylock (Reply #118)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 03:40 PM

119. Actually a friend of mine was beaten by bad cops.

He was drunk belligerent and not at all willing to follow the orders of the cops who arrested him. They took him in a squadcar to a deserted alleyway, they then hogtied him in such a way that he was bent backwards past what his spine could handle. Then they beat the shit out of him before taking him to jail. That was two decades ago. My friend was crippled for life from the spinal injuries he suffered from that. He walks with his knees sorta together like having a rope around your legs pulling your knees together. He has had multiple spinal surgeries over the years...

Another friend was done up the same way, taken to the same place and also similarly beaten, likely by the same bad cops. His injuries were far less severe.

I witnessed on tv the riot in Seattle as it unfolded, i suspect that if one looked on YouTube the very broadcasts I saw are available if someone wanted to look for them. I furthermore believe there are agents provocateur who are cops tasked with causing such riots.

I am not saying that the bad cops are not out there, we all know that they ARE out there. Like much of our citizenry many are racist or sexist and some are even republicans! All of them are human but contrary to those who want to see it otherwise, they all signed up to protect and serve. Most of them honor that....especially the protect part. There are countless numbers of us that are sooooo grateful for this.

I can see my words will not sway you...that was never my goal. My words are how I feel and are on behalf of the good cops everywhere. From what I can tell, it is not in their job description to toot their own horns. I may not be man enough to be a cop, but where I can, I got their back.

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Response to frylock (Reply #66)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:24 PM

78. .

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Response to chknltl (Reply #57)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:16 PM

92. usually this arrives well before #57.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #92)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:33 PM

95. Sad. Gonna have to work on that. eom

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:07 AM

59. When you have a racist police chief...

It's no surprise when his minions kill minorities with impunity.



A lawsuit, filed in Fresno Superior Court on Thursday (February 24, 2011), says that Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer’s ringtone for Cynthia Sterling, an African-American former counsel member is a slave song: "Mammy's little baby loves short'nin' bread." The lawsuit also alleges that Dyer mimic's stereotypical slave dialect, making comments including; "yessa massa, I is yo pet" and "Um hum, I'm the mayor's boy, I'm the mayor's boy, yes'um, I'm the mayor's boy".

Dyer is alleged to have repeatedly made derogatory and racial comments and/or actions relating to different races, including, but not limited to African-Americans and Japanese, which include:

1. "You know brothers can't resist watermelons"
2. "You know brothers love melons"
3. Routinely refers to African-Americans as "Brothers"
4. During a meeting discussing fist strikes to the face, Dyer commented that fist strikes to the face should never occur, unless it is a brother, because brothers don't have bones in their noses.”
5. Dyer’s cellular phone ring tone for Blong Xiong, a Southeast Asian counsel member is an Oriental sounding ringtone.
6. Dyer refers to a female Japanese Police Department employee as his little Geisha Girl.
7. Dyer makes offensive and demeaning comments about women, including but
not limited to:


a) comments about police department employees clothes and cleavage


b) commenting that the employee, must be out looking for a husband.


C) comments about certain female police department employees never having to pay for drinks when they go out socially.
8. Dyer has made offensive remarks, relating to charging the County of Fresno an administrative fee for administering a grant, stating "Good, rape them, (laughing), and make them feel they liked it".
9. Dyer on numerous occasions, has demeaningly referred to City Hall being run like a "sorority", since the Mayor and her chiefs of staff are primarily women.
10. The Deputy City Manager required Police Department employees to place their hands upon Chief Dyer and pray over him in order to cast away evil spirits while at City Hall.

The lawsuit, which is available at http://media.fresnobee.com/smedia/2011/02/24/16/DyerComplaint.source.prod_affiliate.8.pdf
and was filed on behalf of Robert Nevarez and Sharon Shaffer, who both work for the Fresno Police Department.

Dyer’s attorney responded by saying that the allegations have been investigated and that they dispute what Nevarez and Shaffer have said. They claim that “the investigation lasted in excess of five months, with numerous persons interviewed by the investigator. Her conclusion was that she found no hostile work environment existed in the department. It is obvious that the plaintiffs are disappointed that their allegations were found to have no merit. Unfortunately, many of the comments that were alleged to have been made were either embellished, mistated, taken out of context, or never made.”

Nevarez and Shaffer, the plaintiffs in this case, have been on administrative leave since late last year. They are concerned about retaliation from Dyer if they return. The lawsuit states that the police chief has not responded well when confronted with other complaints: “an example of this threatening and bullying behavior includes, but is not limited to, during a staff meeting Dyer stated, he was sick and tired of the lawsuits against himself. Dyer stated he did not have much money, but would not go down without a gun fight. He further stated it was not enough to nick him, you would have to take out his carotid artery and he has lots of blood.”
http://media.fresnobee.com/smedia/2011/02/...

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #59)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:41 PM

80. someone upthread

mention that so many LEO's are 'roided out, and this fascist asshole definitely has that look.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #59)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:37 PM

84. jeezus.

and he runs the place. sigh.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:30 AM

61. A pattern of abuse

Twenty-seven Fresno police officers remain on active duty despite multiple incidents of violence against civilians.

What most troubles community advocates about this lack of transparency is the possibility that brutal or undisciplined officers, prone to the use of excessive violence, might remain on the force. Without access to incident reports, internal investigations, or whether disciplinary action was taken, such a determination is impossible to make. But some of the officers’ actions indicate a pattern of problems.

In 1985 Raul Rangel, Jr., an 18-year-old junior college student, was carrying a gun and threatening suicide in his mother’s home. She called the police for help, and several officers arrived; in the end, Rangel was shot at dozens of times and killed. One of those officers, Jerry Dyer, then a street cop, is now Fresno’s Chief of Police; another, SWAT team member Michael Palomino, went on to be involved in several more shootings over the course of his career, three during the period between 2002 and 2009 covered by the Public Records Act request. Rangel’s mother, Matilda Rangel, believes Fresno police are given too much leeway in cases that might involve the excessive use of force. “In my opinion, there’s no accountability,” Rangel said. “In every case, the police officers’ actions are found to be justified.”

http://www.alternet.org/investigations/146626/cops_involved_in_repeat_shootings_and_excessive_force_still_on_duty/?page=1

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:42 AM

65. Who will hold them accountable?

Certainly not us, a small group of people discussing it in an online forum. Is there anyone with the power to do anything about it? Media outcry would help some, but certainly isn't a sure way to make these officers face justice.

As the years go by, I find more and more that we are (as a Nation) too complacent to address these issues. As long as we have our comfort zones, our televisions, computers and video games... as long as the power stays on, it's unlikely that we'll do much more than complain to each other. What else can we do?

The justice system is so screwed up because we let it get that away. We did nothing to stop it. We are also doing nothing to stop this sort of thing from happening. We can petition, we can dig up dirt, maybe even nudge the media in the right direction on occasion, what we can't do is hold anyone accountable in a way that matters.

So what can we do to make a difference? I think we need to start taking to the streets in huge numbers, to protest more than just the corrupt political climate. Sadly, I don't think that will ever happen, unless there is a major catastrophe that actually deprives people of their electricity, alcohol and/or drugs.

Welcome to America... don't piss off the cops.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:48 PM

71. Just great...

so now the local pigs are water boring torture.



I hate to think what is next.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:53 PM

72. Stop resisting! Stop resisting!

Code for notify the morgue.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:02 PM

74. Lord have mercy, how stupid and/or sadistic can you be?



Thanks for the thread, AnotherMcIntosh.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:03 PM

75. So when are the cops' promotions? That despicable behavior is now rewarded in Merka. nt

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:05 PM

76. THIS right here is what makes the other 99% of cops

look bad and lose trust among The People. They MURDERED that fella...while people watched in horror. COPS murdered or helped murder an innocent citizen...this kind of thing MUST stop.

I don't know why they tortured the man, how could they not notice he was not breathing?

Beyond pathetic.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:58 PM

81. The bankers rob us

And the police murder us. Is it 1984, yet?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:05 PM

82. jesus

jesus H. christ.......


I feel sick

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:14 PM

83. some of those that work forces

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:41 PM

85. curious if his makes network news tonight

Murder, plain and simple.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:41 PM

89. This is murder. Plain and simple

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:10 PM

91. Criminal! n/t

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:00 PM

93. They killed him!


B@stards!

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:34 PM

96. I try to be fair to police officers.

But, sometimes (many times...most of the time) it is impossible.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:47 PM

98. Disgusting.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 07:22 PM

99. Glad police can use non-lethal weapons.


So, now citizens don't have to fear getting shot by accident by law enforcement. No, now they anticipate being tortured to death, "by accident." Oops, we killed him.

It's like Hollywood rebooted "The Keystone Cops" as a horror movie. Except it's real. Funny how reality imitates movies.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 07:32 PM

103. Is it time for SYG against these murderous thugs?

How much more are we willing to take?

If they're going to kill you anyway, why not fight back?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:36 PM

105. Today, I wept for my country. Just when I think we may have a chance, something like this happens.

 

The rise in police brutality is bad enough. But the climate that allows this to happen is far worse. The country is fractured in so many ways, we'll never be able to heal. We have a Republican party whose purpose is KEEPING A BLACK MAN FROM WINNING RE-ELECTION. And if the GOP/TP tear apart the country in the process of stopping the "BLACK MAN", too fucking bad - Like they really care what happens to the Others. Others, by the way, are anyone not made in the image of the holy GOP/TP.
I can no longer watch, read or listen to the news. Bummer........................

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:28 PM

107. Obviously this report is extremely disturbing.

I was trying to look for a 3rd-party account of the incident, as this report is based entirely on the lawsuit filed by the deceased man's children. Unusually, I can't seem to find anything about this. Searching for "raul rosas" with additional terms like "fresno" or "fresno police" doesn't yield anything that isn't originally sourced from the lawsuit.

Let me stress that I'm not saying I doubt the story. Police brutality certainly happens. I'd just like to find out more about it, but this incident appears to have flown completely under the radar. Can anyone find more information about it?

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Response to BlueCheese (Reply #107)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:16 PM

113. This is the type of incident that you would expect the press or the local press to cover.

 

But, as far as I can tell, no such luck.

Here's the 25-page complaint.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/10/Hogtied.pdf

The children are represented by Brian Claypool, an attorney who has an excellent reputation and who has settled cases for amounts exceeding $1 million. Obtaining such settlements is relatively rare. Most attorneys have never done so.

To avoid a dismissal, which are routinely asked for by defendants in Federal civil cases, it is likely that Claypool has already lined up his witnesses and is ready to go.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:46 PM

108. Are there any additional links/updates

Both of those links are from courthousenews. Are there any updates on the case? I can't find anything other than the one story.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #108)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:55 PM

109. Not yet.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #109)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:01 PM

110. It is close to a year old. nt.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #110)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:32 PM

114. The complaint with the Federal court was filed on April 6, 2012. The DuckShoot story was thereafter

 

published when the blog owner discovered the CourtHouseNews story.

More details can be found in the complaint, but the press may not have more information until the case goes to trial. If the case is settled, the City of Fresno and others may insist upon a confidentially agreement so that more details are not disclosed.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/10/Hogtied.pdf

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #114)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:01 PM

116. Your link is trying to run an add on. Do you have a link to the complaint itself? nt

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #116)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:08 PM

117. That is the pdf version of the complaint. What do you mean "trying to run an add on?" Do you

 

mean that a click on the link tries to run Adobe reader? Isn't that standard? Do you otherwise use something other than Adobe reader to open pdf files?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:02 PM

111. Yet another reason why California's gun laws are nuts

These officers have free rein to do whatever they damn well please. Sickening.

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