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Wealthy socialite and top Democratic donor Denise Rich denounces her U.S. citizenship - saving her t



Wealthy socialite and top Democratic donor Denise Rich denounces her U.S. citizenship - saving her tens of millions of dollars in taxes
•Songwriter also has Austrian citizenship through her late father
•Former husband Marc Rich fled the country when indicted on charges of tax evasion - but was pardoned by President Clinton in 2001
•House of Representatives committee later found Denise Rich had swayed the decision through donations to Clinton campaign
•Comes as the latest wealthy American to denounce citizenship


PUBLISHED: 09:43 EST, 9 July 2012 | UPDATED: 11:06 EST, 9 July 2012
By Reuters Reporter
Denise Rich, the wealthy socialite and former wife of pardoned billionaire trader Marc Rich, has given up her U.S. citizenship - and, with it, much of her U.S. tax bill.
Rich, 68, a Grammy-nominated songwriter, top Democratic donor and glamorous figure in European royalty circles, renounced her American passport in November, according to her lawyer.
Her maiden name, Denise Eisenberg, appeared in the Federal Register on April 30 in a quarterly list of Americans who renounced their U.S. citizenship and permanent residents who handed in their green cards.

Wealthy: Denise Rich, a songwriter who was married to pardoned billionaire trader Marc Rich, has denounced her American citizenship and will save millions in U.S. tax bills
By dumping her U.S. passport, Rich likely will save tens of millions of dollars or more in U.S. taxes over the long haul, tax lawyers say.
Rich, who wrote songs recorded by Aretha Franklin, Mary J. Blige and Jessica Simpson, is the latest bold-faced name to join a wave of wealthy people renouncing their American citizenship.
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Marc Rich received a presidential pardon in 2001 on President Bill Clinton's last day in office.
Federal prosecutors and Congress investigated the pardon, and in 2002 a House of Representatives committee concluded Denise Rich had swayed the action through donations to the Clinton library and campaign. Dubbed "Lady Gatsby" by Yachting magazine, Rich owns multiple properties, including a mansion in Aspen, Colorado.
She is a frequent habitue of Cannes, Monte Carlo and St. Tropez with celebrities and singers aboard her 157-foot yacht, Lady Joy.

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Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin gave up his U.S. passport to become a citizen of Singapore, an offshore tax haven, before the company's initial public offering in May.
Nearly 1,800 citizens and permanent residents, a record since data was first compiled in 1998, expatriated last year, according to government figures.


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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170969/Wealthy-socialite-Denise-Rich-denounces-U-S-citizenship--saving-tens-millions-dollars-taxes.html

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AnotherMcIntosh (2,231 posts)
Is this the same Denise Rich with a husband who obtained a pardon with the assistance of Holder?

I wonder what motivated Holder to help her husband?


Why yes, yes it is!

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:40 PM

1. Top Donor/Receives presidential pardon...Gosh. You think there might be a connection?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:48 PM

2. Our HERO Holder helped them too! Its all one big club, and we're not in it!

 

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:51 PM

3. But, but, but, Democratic rich people are good... n/t

 



Just in case some people need to be reminded;

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:36 AM

160. That sir, is the best 3 minutes on youtube. -eom

 

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:52 PM

4. Would you give up your citizenship for "tens of millions of dollars"?...

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:53 PM

5. Would you? n/t

 

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Response to MadHound (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:54 PM

6. This guy above will twist and turn ANY way to excuse these people, won't he?

 

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:30 PM

24. "This guy above"...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:32 PM

25. Are you a girl? Either sex, you certainly are an apologist.

 

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:24 PM

60. I might be remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure Sid's Canadian. n/t

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #60)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:52 PM

69. Canadian?! WTF is a Canadian doing groveling and back bending for US authority for?

 

No wonder someone asked who he was voting for. Is there no Canadian corporate or elitist types he wishes to please?
He should be supporting Harper someplace.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:40 PM

100. That's an *excellent* question! Don't expect an answer. nt

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:44 PM

137. Yep

And why the fuck has this person been allowed to host and post at this site for so long.

Integrity fail.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #137)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:03 PM

146. ...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #146)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:26 PM

149. Come on Francis

Is it true, or are you just a disruptor? A cute little icon reply doesn't work. Step up to the plate and give us all the enema you think we deserve and tell us you are not a Canadian know-it-all poster who can't even vote in this nation, but deigns to tell us what we should think?

Cutesy doesn't really cut it at this point, SD.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:02 PM

145. ...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:34 PM

129. You are Canadian

Not that there is anything wrong with that but you can't even vote in our elections, yet you have such strong opinions. WTF and why are you modding here as a Canadian that has no ability to influence our elections...

Is that true? Are you Canadian?

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Response to Aerows (Reply #139)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:01 PM

144. ...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #144)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:23 PM

148. Nobody

Is going to "lighten up Francis" or "give this town an enema" now that we know you are basically a disruptor. I don't care how long you have been a member. If you are Canadian lecturing American citizens on who they should vote for, you are in the wrong in my book.

Come pay taxes here, come enjoy a lack of health care here, and come enjoy the land we live in before you throw condescending remarks our way.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #148)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:44 PM

151. ...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #151)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:48 PM

152. You really are an interesting person

I have to hand it to you for not having a word to say except more condescension when called on your behavior.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #152)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:36 AM

161. Well, I think we have our difinitive answer in any event. Turns out he's a carpetbagger.

 

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Response to Aerows (Reply #152)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:43 PM

168. Most other boards Dithers' behavior would be penalized as trolling.

It's typical posts are not intelligent, droll or entertaining.

Quirky, strange...

WHY?

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:47 PM

29. If those tens of millions were the taxable 15% of investments? Or 35% on income from residuals?

Or perhaps a percentage mix of both?
"Tens of Millions" in taxes means she's making close or above to $70 million dollars per year, and her accountant hasn't figured out what the spread on next year's income would be - $10 million or $30/40 million depending on how many times her songs are used or what the interest rate of return would be on her investments.
She's not being taxed at the Eisenhower rates, so her "tens of millions of dollars" additional tax would probably be the equivalent of a $2K a year tax increase on someone making $100K a year; a clever tax accountant could find loopholes and deductions to drop her additional tax burden down to the base expenditures she'd have to put aside for maintaining both her yacht and a nice hotel suite when she heads off for a week's vacation in Monte Carlo. Not "spending money" for parties and gambling, just the berth and the bed.

I guess she's "punishing" America for being so mean to her for being so successful. It's not like there are all sorts of laws that the US has enforced in her favor that has made her even more wealthy, or that she isn't being asked to pay even half as much as someone would have had to pay for both the privilege and protections of working, living, and making money in the US fifty years ago. Heck, even if it was all taxable income at the maximum rate possible for her, she's still only being asked to pay just five percent more than I am to be a citizen of the US. And I will be the first to tell her that if I had her money, I'd happily pay the taxes - even at a 1950's rate.

My father had a wealthy relative (an executive VP for West Coast operations at J.C. Penney's) in the 1950's/1960's - he and his wife had no trouble at all gallivanting around the world, maintaining six homes - including a 2000 sq ft. Park Ave. apartment in Manhattan and a winter home in Jamaica - and otherwise living la dolce vida, even if they did occasionally bitch about the 64% tax rate they were paying once Kennedy was elected. (Of course, his wife didn't pay attention to or modify their estate over the years after he died, so when she passed in 1992, the trustees' corporation stuck to the original 1963 will and ended up taking the majority of the proceeds of the estate that hadn't already been donated to charity for themselves.)

I really doubt this "lady" would actually notice much of a pinch in her lifestyle and savings should she have retained her US citizenship. Unlike most of the other citizens who don't even make five percent of her income, should their income tax potentially rise by only 3 - 5%.

Haele

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:11 AM

80. If she owes that much in taxes, her income must be fucking astronomical --

 

And NO, I would not give up my citizenship. I would pay my fair share of taxes.

But then, I'm not this rich entitled thankless bitch.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:36 PM

130. A person would if money was more important to them than it or their life here

apparently money is more important to her than anything here.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #130)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:43 PM

134. Apparently, Sid's Canadian

aka paid to stir shit in things that aren't his business.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #134)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:55 PM

142. Take off hoser



I love Canada and would never tell them to mind their own business.

please don't act like you and I are on the same side.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #142)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:38 PM

150. I have a lot of Canadian friends

You are free to call me a hoser, but when someone makes it a HABIT to be an asshole towards members of the site, and have little things like "this town needs an enema", etc, yeah, I'm going to be a tad offended. Is it because SD is Canadian? No. It's because SD is telling people how to vote and doesn't even live in this country, pay taxes in it, and acts like we are all idiots in this nation.

That I disagree with. Proceed with the hoser calling, but at least they are drinking good beer in the picture .

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Response to Aerows (Reply #150)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:44 PM

169. Same here. Love most Canadians. n/t

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:42 PM

133. Why do you harp on a message board

regarding US politics when you can't even vote in US Elections and aren't an American?

If you think your question highlights the silliness of the poster, you posting here at all, when you have no ability to even vote in the US, is the height of silliness.

Come on Sid. Tell me how irrelevant my comments are, and threaten to ban me, you host you.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:59 PM

7. Whoever wrote the headline needs to learn the difference between

"denounce" and "renounce". They are far from the same thing.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:02 PM

8. The actual article uses 'renounces'

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:03 PM

9. Hey cutie, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

Nothing else needs to be said, either you agree with her (and others) tactics or you are disgusted by them.

Black. White. No shades of gray.

Tax dodging piece of tripe - bye.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:04 PM

10. Why bring Holder into this? Rich's pardon happened on Clinton's watch. There are lots...

of extremely rich Dems, some of whom tried to mount a Draft Hillary campaign against the president's reelection. There are rich assholes, and there are assholes who don't have a dime. Some assholes just smell nicer than others. What's your point?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:11 PM

12. Maybe because Holder advocated for Marc? Or do you want us to bury our heads again?

 

Holder the HERO! lol

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:41 PM

27. A lot of us advocated/voted for these guys too. Now they're disgraced. What does that make us?



Should we all reproach ourselves for voting and advocating for these two guys? You seem to be trying to equate this woman's actions today, to Eric Holder's "advocacy" in the 90's? The question remains...Who gives a fuck?



If this article http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=921501 is to be believed, it looks like Rich's pardon was a done deal, with or without Holder's "advocacy".

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:43 PM

28. Hilarious. First you want to deny the info, bury it.

 

Now when the truth is told, you are wanting to excuse it.
Carry on.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:53 PM

30. Where did I ask you to "bury it"? I merely asked what's the relevance? I know your main purpose...

here is to constantly bash both parties as the same, but why you're allowed to continue with this campaign is perplexing. No one here has any delusions that you're trying to draw some connection from this woman to the Obama administration. It's what you do.

For most "Democrats", however, job #1 is getting the president reelected. Your goal seems to be somewhat different.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:57 PM

31. Is that my main purpose? You've got it all figured out, but you don't.

 

I see what you are doing though, you are defender of the Elite.

Edit: Actually I think I get your deal now. You are only here to run interferance and damage control. You are assessing what might need to be done ot make this 'go away'.
Worry not, this is just par for the course. This is how the elite rule. Go search out another fire to put out.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 03:16 PM

33. I'm a defender of the Democratic Party when its under attack from outside enemy forces, no....

matter who those forces happen to be. Since we know who the two serious contenders for the presidency are, I keep wondering what the point of all the trashing is, other than to help the GOP create another 2000. Now that makes sense. There's no other reason I can think of that anyone would listen to someone spouting the "both parties are the same" bullshit.

As for the "elite"? I could care less about their defense. But I do know this, if everyone adopts your rhetoric, and keep trying to make enemies of those "elite", they ALL have the wherewithal to pick up & pull a Denise Richardson, the rest of us don't. Do you know what that would do to an already crumbling tax base?

What happens when you've driven all the "elite" from our shores? What will the country look like then? Your talking points are tiresome, and frankly boring at this point, and can be quickly summarized as follows: "Rich people SUCK"; "Eric Holder SUCKs"; "Democrats SUCK"; "Anyone who disagrees with me SUCKs". Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 03:31 PM

36. Oh, so we should be nice to them, else they leave? Screw that.

 

I also say screw defending the complicit, corrupted, and crushing the working class.
You have no idea what a real citizen is, who wants their party to behave as they once did.
You're a neoliberal apparently. Coddle the rich and corporations, lest they leave?!
What a joke.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:08 PM

41. Or they can sit on 2T dollars to make a point.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:24 PM

45. Again, you suggest we grovel and beg. Oh please massa, throw me a crumb.

 

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:46 PM

47. Again you've mistaken me for someone who actually cares what you do. "grovel", "beg"?

There may come a time when you'll be first in line for crumbs.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #47)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:01 PM

49. If you didn't 'care' what I do, you wouldn't be defending the rich

 

and telling the poor to suck it up and be quiet. Be grateful for the crumbs that happen to fall off the table.
In fact you seem to look forward to that day, the day when the poor are crushed. You are no Democrat.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #49)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:06 PM

56. Oh, I'm definitely a Democrat, just not the "Green/Justice Party/Americans Elect" variety.

The crap you're spewing comes from being well fed, not really having to worry about a roof over your head, purporting to be ideologically driven, although I have my doubts. But it's the internet, where one can pretend to be whomever they choose. I'm actually the Democrat you guys hate the most, I'm that Democrat who would vote for a dead dog with a (D) behind it's name, rather than vote for a Republican, or Republican enablers (fuckin' 3rd parties). What's at the root of a lot of the "concern" we see at DU, is nothing more than under-the-radar third party advocacy, and outright suppression tactics. Hell, it's not even that subtle anymore.

You can't challenge me or my devotion to the party of my parents and grandparents. NEVER!!! And for those who keep trying to change it to fit some romanticized vision of yesteryear, or some European/Venezuelan model, go do your own thing, just don't bother "Democrats" with it. AFAIC, those constantly trashing the Democratic Party and it's leadership should be shown the door. IMHO.

Be entrepreneurial, do your own thing. How does "Progressive Underground" sound? Or "PU" for short? This is still Democratic Underground, if there's any doubt, maybe this will help.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #56)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:19 PM

57. Trying to get me on the defensive isn't going to work.

 

Pull up the rules. Oh, scary! And trying to run me off? Why? so you can smash the poor?
This is a DEMOCRAT:

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #57)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:30 PM

63. Dead at 42! What's your point? I don't have the power to "run you off", or we wouldn't be having..

this discussion.

p.s.: I do live for the day when Admin will honor it's own mission statement. "Electing More Democrats".

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #63)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:52 PM

64. My point was many things, but his lifespan was not among them.

 

So I guess it is correct you asked 'what's my point'. If you didn't get the points Long enumerated, not sure I can help you.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #64)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:32 PM

65. I didn't bother! He's even less relevant than Ralph Nader. He's dead.

And trust me, I'm not looking for help from you, but thanks loads!


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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #65)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 08:47 PM

68. So you only listen to the living, I see. You must be the historical dunce.

 

You must not read classical literature either. That about says it all. No wonder you are so ill informed.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #68)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:22 PM

75. Ooooh. Insults from the liberal intelligencia. I'm crushed.

Careful you don't break anything climbing down from that ivory tower of yours.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #75)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:48 PM

115. wow..

what a dick.

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Response to frylock (Reply #115)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:25 PM

119. Why thank you. More insults from the so-called "liberal" internet intelligencia. Huge braintrust.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #119)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:34 PM

128. of course the opposite of liberal intelligencia would be conservative dumbshit..

so if the shoe fits.....

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Response to frylock (Reply #128)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:44 PM

136. Ahhhh, with a dash of smug. That's been such a winning formula for the Intelligencia!

Stay with that strategy! It's a winner!



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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #119)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:29 PM

166. Intelligentsia.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #166)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:41 PM

167. Thanks for the correction.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #75)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:36 PM

123. "Liberal intelligencia"? Christ, you don't even try to hide it, do you?

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Response to Marr (Reply #123)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:41 PM

124. I know how to "hide" you!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #56)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:46 PM

77. 1+ & I'm as Left as almost any of them. Just differ on how to get from where we *A*R*E* to where

we're going.

Thanks for that post; it is cathartic.

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Response to patrice (Reply #77)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:49 AM

82. Thanks patrice. Seeing how I've just been summarily dismissed as "a dunce" & a "classical.....

literature" ignoramus, that makes me feel good.

The poster's smug approach may be suitable for his/her coffee klatch or "classical lit" book club, but it's not a winner with Jane & Joe Sixpack. It smacks of " Nah Nah Boo Boo, I'm smarter than you" . It's why there will never be another hardcore liberal in the WH. Many so called "liberals" come off as pompous, overeducated, overly cerebral, condescending smarty pants, and that's a losing strategy with regular folks who might have left high school to go to work in the cotton mill, or sling hash at the local diner. In fact it alienates them. If that's the approach being used, I don't see building any lasting movement infrastructure from it. And I certainly wouldn't want these "liberals" speaking to people as a "Democrats".

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #82)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:24 AM

86. I agree with them on principles and high-order goals. What I don't understand is where they expect

all of these people we disagree with, Right Wingers, to go, should we attain our goals, and what they expect the effects of our disagreements with them to be upon our goals.

I'm somewhat left of center Left. I'd like to see some form of Socialism for all of the necessities of life. I just don't understand if we were to succeed in any significant measures, what my fellow Liberals and Lefties think happens to those who are opposed to who/what we are and what we are doing. Do they think the opposition just disappears? changes its mind? stops being the opposition? We aren't going to imprison them. The mindset that assumes the opposition is reduced to 0, is irrelevant, as a result of any significant wins leads to genocide, because they aren't 0 and not dealing with them SOMEHOW only increases their valence, which inevitably leads to conflict, which leads to more conflict and ultimately violence. And all of that increasing conflict creates entropy in the context of and within whatever our Socialist solutions are, damaging our own goals. If we love what we want to do, and, hence who we are, both of those sets of phenomena need to be protected from the opposition and since we aren't going to genocide them, they MUST have some kind of buy in.

A buy-in doesn't mean ownership; we don't have to become them like most of the absolutist Lefties on this board want to portray this position. It's a partnership. The Right Wing could even be a MINOR partner in what we Socialists want to do, but it has to be enough that they benefit enough to leave us and our culture and economics alone in its essential aspects .

I certainly can't forsee all of the details of how that would be worked out, but one thing I think would happen is that a dynamic relationship CAN clarify its constituent parts. It's balanced conflict, like the Tao suggests. The Left COULD become stronger if it would deal with the Right functionally, on the Left's OWN terms. The opposite of this, isolation and alienation from one another, leads to weakness as we see in models around us, such as what calls itself "Christianity" and amongst American Libertarians.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #82)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:36 AM

89. We already know that 'bubba don't care'.... n/t

 

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #82)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:44 AM

95. I am reading your nonsense and even I am surprised by the complete lack of

 

addressing the point. Huey Long was hardly a 'smarty pants'. He was the very essence of the WORKING MANS politician. Huey Long was BLUE COLLAR. He was on the ground, hands dirty, raw populist. You just move on to every cliche that comes to your mind. First its 'he's dead, so what', then its 'you're a smarty pants'! I am not the 'intelligentsia', I am simply literate and a student of history. You seem to despise education and history. A very strange behavior if one intends to discuss these things. If I call that ignorant, its because activly being hostile to it and denying or actually refusing to even listen to Democrats or even 'smart' people throughout history who have things to say in regard to the social contract (that is a term that has been around since the elightenment, one you will not look up either I suppose) is a refusal to educate yourself. What else could it be called? You would rather move from insult to insult, never addressing the main point. I think everyone here can see this.

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Response to patrice (Reply #77)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:45 PM

105. Re: "as Left as almost any of them"... I'm sure you don't mean DU posters! nt

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:34 AM

87. there is a progressive underground? n/t

 

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #47)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:32 PM

52. Moronic.

The US government is the monopoly issuer of our national currency. We don't need to stand in line hoping for "crumbs" from cash hoarders and tax evading scum like the person described in the OP.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:06 AM

97. Mainstream Economist: We Might Need to Hang Some Bankers to Stop Criminal Looting

 

Mainstream Economist: We Might Need to Hang Some Bankers to Stop Criminal Looting
Posted on July 8, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog

Even Nouriel Roubini Says We Need to Jail or Hang Some Bankers
Nobel prize winning economist Joe Stiglitz – and many other experts – have said nothing will change unless dishonest bankers are jailed.

Former trader Max Keiser has been calling for years for crooked bankers to be hanged, to send a message that crime won’t be tolerated.
But Nouriel Roubini is a lot more mainstream than Keiser – or even Stiglitz – being very close to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. See this and this.

Roubini told Bloomberg that nothing has changed since the start of the financial crisis, and we might need to throw bankers in jail – or hang them in the streets – before they’ll change:

Nobody has gone to jail since the financial crisis. The banks, they do things that are illegal and at best they slap on them a fine. If some people end up in jail, maybe that will teach a lesson to somebody. Or somebody hanging in the streets.

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I noted 7 years ago:
I am NOT calling for the overthrow of the government. In fact, I am calling for the reinstatement of our government. I am calling for an end to lawless dictatorship and a return to the rule of law. Rather than trying to subvert the constitution, I am calling for its enforcement.

***

The best way to avoid all types of revolution would be for the government to start following the rule of law. I passionately hope it will do so.

The fact that even mainstream economists like Roubini are talking about hanging bankers shows that this is the last chance for the justice system – the only thing which stands between criminals on Wall Street and pitchforks – to work.


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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/mainstream-economist-we-might-need-to-hang-some-bankers-to-stop-illegal-behavior.html

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:21 PM

58. you nailed it

time for more posters to wake up

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 03:48 PM

38. Young America, here's why you should be angry:

 

My own generation faced the Vietnam War. We were at risk of getting drafted, and then maimed or killed in an unwinnable battle against imagined evils.

Today's young people are being drafted into an economic war that they don't understand. It's a slowly waged, diabolical war that substitutes debt and underemployment for missing limbs and psychological disorders. The soldiers are college-age men and women who can't find jobs or pay tuition, and who are seduced into submission by the promise of eventual rewards. The Vietnamese jungle has turned into Wall Street.

For those of us who weren't particularly good activists in the 60s, age has widened our perspective, and the lack of opportunities for our children has given us a second chance to protest, to help make it clear how the leaders of my generation have abandoned the people they no longer need.

Young America, here's why you should be angry:

http://www.nationofchange.org/three-ways-rich-and-powerful-have-cheated-young-americans-1341846413

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:15 PM

43. Oh Lord, please spare me the worn out Occupy talking points. The revolution ain't happening!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:21 PM

44. No, not yet. I fully agree. We are likely to descend much further.

 

Much more pain ahead.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:48 PM

55. spare me your defeatist corporatist talking points

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #55)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:37 PM

131. +10,000!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:23 PM

59. you hope

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #59)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:27 PM

62. Storm the Bastille!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 03:57 PM

127. Don't worry, it's coming, already started in Iceland and now France. Spain too, and

Italy is thinking about it. Not to mention Ireland, Portugal and Greece. We in the US are always a little behind on taking care of business like this, but the more people learn about the corruption and greed the more the storming of the Bastille becomes possible.

And why are you supporting a woman who has renounced her country for money btw?

I see this story is all over right wing boards now, and thank YOU for feeding them the kind of fodder they need to call Democrats 'unpatriotic'. As if they needed it.

These comments of yours make DU look bad.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:38 PM

66. Really? Why would you say that? Where do you get your info on this

that you've come to this conclusion?

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Response to KoKo (Reply #66)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:03 PM

70. Its wishful thinking. It'll come. They won't stop until we revolt. -eom

 

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:59 PM

79. How close are you to the/an Occupy? Though I like your point about the Democratic party above,

do you mean to suggest that the Dems are not renewed by rational conflict within their own ranks?

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Response to patrice (Reply #79)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:53 AM

85. It depends on what you mean by renewal. Constant bickering and infighting is not my idea of....

"renewal". And what I'm seeing on this board lately can hardly be characterized as "rational conflict". It's all out war, by folks who may or may not be who they say they are.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #85)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:47 AM

91. I agree strongly, because it is my experience that Liberals don't count coup on one another, especia

lly with knives. That's my old-Hippie '60s culture speaking there, but differences at least used to be considered marvelous, even squares were tolerated, somewhat paternalisticaly or maybe kind of intellectual elitist, but not hostile, tolerated anyway, because live and let live was honored, since we recognized he futility of trying to change people and respected the fact that if we have a right to be who we are, so do others, right or wrong and it's really better for them to discover which themselves, without the burden of our contempt, which only enslaves them and ourselves more. Freedom is one of the big differences between what I understand and what I see here. The freedom to choose to not obey or to obey regardless of consequences/rewards and that includes the rewards of clique formation which is about power.

All of this zero-sum, "winner" take all stuff also REALLY appears to be the opposite of what I thought our goals as Liberals/Lefties/Socialists are. There's lots of ego-inflation going on, a.k.a. divine insight into things that are extremely complex and about which we don't really have that much information and yet predictions are made and probabilities claimed without qualification of any kind. Paulo Freire would say that all of us have internalized the oppressor. Too hierarchical. Too power driven. Too authoritarian to represent much of anything that could be called a revolution.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:51 PM

116. oh it's happenening..

best to get the fuck out of the way while you can.

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Response to frylock (Reply #116)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:30 PM

122. Perhaps you've been pre-"ocuppied", but the revolution fizzled.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #122)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 03:33 PM

125. You have no concept of the long game. No suprise, even though your handlers are playing you

 

that way. Let me put it this way, Occupyis in a bull market. Today's and tomorrows' slaves are the next days occupiers.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em. Collapse comes.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #125)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:49 PM

140. Alert the media!

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #140)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:28 PM

162. Hi There!

 

Have you given up? Maybe have some corporate masters to serve today?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #122)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:44 PM

138. Lol, you wish!

It's been fizzling since last September!

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:43 PM

101. Just wanted you to know: Your standing up to this group is MUCH appreciated by me, and other lurkers

I know it can feel like you're a voice in the wilderness when confronted by coordinated bullying. But your point resonate far stronger than the garble they are trying to introduce! Thanks!~

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Response to Romulox (Reply #101)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:05 PM

109. Hello Romulox. I am familiar with your posts and remember your handle.

 

Thank you sir. I should also add that I am familiar with many more who fight the good fight here. TRhat number is tapering off. I think many have moved elsewhere for the corporate takeover. I suspect many more will follow them. In any event, yes, we fight because we have to. There is no choice other than to let it happen and be distroyed.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #109)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:12 PM

111. You're correct, many Progressive Dems have moved on from

DU. Comments such as those above defending an elitist who has renounced her own country, and worse, calling herself a Dem, feed the Right Wing's claim that Dems are unpatriotic. It's an embarrassment to see on a Democratic forum. And it makes you wonder, why would any Democrat defend such a person? I won't be surprised to see those comments copied and pasted and used on Right Wing boards to show that Dems really are traitors.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #109)

Sun Jul 15, 2012, 07:56 PM

178. Making a difference somehow, wherever one can and still hoping.....

hoping. But, backing off the "heated environment" and realizing that attacks will come and be vitriolic...and yet still trying.

What else can one do? In these times.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:50 PM

170. Gospel truth, Huey!

You said it well.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:52 PM

78. When we drive all the "elite" from our shores, the country will look like...

it once did. It will have mountains, lakes, trees, deserts, but no "elite".

Perchance to dream...

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #78)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:50 AM

84. Yup! And no tax base. Enjoy.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #84)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:35 AM

88. You go on celebrating the "elite" and their contribution to larger society...

In my not so humble opinion, those who consider themselves to be "elite" are the very people who've fucked the entire world with their notions of what's better than yesterday's best.

We could start with the invention of the "assembly line".

Take your elite and their "tax base" and go somewhere else.

Those who've been left behind might start a new and better culture using the barter system or something based on it. Knowing what we know now, safeguards could be put in place that would effectively prevent the rise of an "elite".

Yeah... I'd say take your elite, the tax-base it uses to keep people in a caste system, and go somewhere else.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #88)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:54 AM

92. "celebrating the "elite""?

Okay, I'm gonna leave you now. You've lapsed into some shit I'm not familiar with.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #84)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:40 AM

90. You suport their 'capital strike'?

 

I think a new brand of BBQ sauce will be born.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #84)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:02 PM

172. Clueless.

As long as we have currency sovereignty, we have a tax base.

We are not dependent on rich people to fund our government. They do not create money, they hoard it.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #78)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:44 PM

104. You might anger the rich! Don't you get it? ANGER. THE. RICH!11!!!!!!11!!!

:shrugL

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #78)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:51 PM

107. Ssshh, the 'new Democrats' are supposed to act like Republicans and defend

the 'elite' who are Dems in name only.

This thread is a huge example of everything that is wrong with the system we live under.

We used to be able to tell the difference between the two parties, ONE was the party of the people, and we Dems intend to keep it that way, btw, but the party was infiltrated by what is now well known as the 'Third Way' and it is hard to tell the difference between that right wing of the Dem Party now and actual Republicans.

They would prefer to remove the Liberals from the party than the 'elite'. Iow, they want one corporate party, as is evident right here in this thread.

However, we Dems are not about them to do that. They reveal themselves each time they trash other Democrats here on DU and I wonder, who are they, really? They don't sound like any Democrats I have ever known.

But we Dems are not only here to stay, we are going to work hard to bring this Party back to its roots.

I see a defense here for the 'wealthy Dem' in the OP. Amazing, she renounces her country for money and is defended here on DU??? No wonder Right wingers call the 'left' unpatriotic. Those comments are embarrassing. The woman in the OP belongs in the Republican Party, I don't know what she was doing calling herself a Democrat. Maybe to discredit the Party actually.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:15 PM

98. You shouldn't be a "defender" of anything but principles -

One of our country's biggest problem right now is that Corporations wholly own one Party and are on target to wholly own the other.

When you stay stuck on defending a "Party" then you can soon find yourself defending the indefensible. When you start doing that, you become part of the problem.

"My Party, right or wrong" will lead this country right down the path to our destruction.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #98)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:44 PM

103. Sell it to the Greens! I'm a Democrat. Did I not make that clear? You can take your....

highminded ideals and hawk 'em elsewhere. I know which party has my back. Part of the problem? Hardly.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #103)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:53 PM

108. Why are you trashing Democrats here on DU?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #108)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:08 PM

110. Its a 'Democrat'! Three generations! Doesn't know and doesn't want to

 

know a damned thing about Huey Long or what he stood for, who his base was, or what he advocated or did, but hay, so what. Ignorance is bliss! He's dead! Just like the rest of us will be if we do not fight the corporate takeover.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #110)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:15 PM

112. I do not know any Democrat, even one generation, who does not know who Huey

Long was. Things that make you wonder ....

But the comments sure are making Democrats look bad, defending someone who has renounced her country for money?? I don't believe I've ever seen that before. Not from a Democrat. But it sure is fodder for the far right to jump on and use. 'Oooh look, Democrats defend traitor to her country'. Yes, I hope they are not reading this thread.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #110)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:00 PM

171. Rethugs use the term 'job creators' as a strategy

Right wing numbskulls buy this junk from Limbaugh and the Faux talking heads.

Huey and Sabrina, I don't know if you've read this but it's good.

http://whowhatwhy.com/2012/06/13/reader-comment-the-rich-and-the-power-of-myth/

Excerpt:

DAVE PARKER:

Hanauer has pulled back the veil that masks the true intentions of our modern myth-makers.

Let’s take the functions one at a time with regard to the loaded phrase, “job creator.”

1. Look at the size of their mansions, private planes and yachts! See what wondrous things a Bill Gates or Warren Buffett can do! They each have more money than God! They’re gods among mere mortals!

2. The Biggest Man up the Highest Stairs (and let’s be clear about this: God’s got the biggest balls of them all) by force and fiat, personally created the cosmos, making it — and us — His personal private property, to do with as only He can see fit.

3. Since “job creators” are nearer to God than we, the 99%, are; we should bow down, avert our gaze, and let them have their way with society and us. It is right and proper that the 1% should lord over the 99%. It’s what God would do.

4. The best the 99% can hope for is to be cared for, cradle to grave, on the plantations of our rightful masters. To work on the plantation of a Job Creator is the next best thing to Heaven on Earth. Going off plantation, being without a job, or complaining about conditions are sure signs of allegiance with the Devil.

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Paraphrasing Shakespeare, the power of myth is to bring into being the world stage on which we play our ever more notorious parts. The metaphors with which we construct the cosmos, and through which we
enliven it, are the most powerful forces in the human world. It’s bad enough that the power of myth is being perverted to serve economic interests. It gets worse.

The awesome power of myth is also being weaponized, putting, for example, the “awe” in “Shock & Awe.”

Don’t believe that the power of myth is that powerful? Still think myths are antiquated fancies, the best thing to do with which is to bust them? Still want to use myth as an intellectual’s grandiose synonym for lie?

Riddle me this: which is more powerful: myths, or nukes?

Answer: We were jacked to war in Iraq by the power of myths about nukes. Nukes are nigh on useless, but myths about them are more powerful than the weapons themselves.

Just ask Iran. Or Japan.


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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #103)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:43 PM

113. Über alles Party, baby.

That kinda shit leads to very bad places. You just keep your head in the sand, the rest of us will keep working to get the Democratic Party back on track so that it can get back to representing the American People instead of Wall Street and the MIC.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #113)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:26 PM

120. Have a good day!

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:45 PM

114. that's how DU rolls these days..

not to worry! it will all go back to normal once president jeb is in office.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:11 PM

13. The real reason Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich

During Eric Holder's confirmation hearing, Arlen Specter scolded the attorney general-designate, but no one mentioned Israeli pressure.

...

Still, it would have been a refreshing change from the usual confirmation minuet if instead of humbly apologizing, Holder had tartly instructed the buffoonish Specter, his fellow senators, the press, and the public about the actual circumstances of the Rich affair. He might have started with the fact that continuous lobbying on Rich’s behalf from the highest Israeli leaders and their American friends — among whom Specter no doubt counts himself — became even more intense in the days before Clinton left office. He could have noted that such pressures coincided with Clinton’s efforts to conclude a peace agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians. And he could have explained to Specter that Rich’s deals in Iran and Iraq were often related to his other role — as an asset of the Mossad who gathered intelligence and helped to rescue endangered Jews from those regimes.

It is clear that Holder and his colleagues in the Justice Department had ample reason for concern over the proposed pardon, in part because pardoning a fugitive violated precedent. But for the Post to call him “the pardoner” in a front-page headline directing readers to the editorial was grossly unfair. Clinton had sole constitutional discretion to grant the pardon, and he would have done so whether Holder liked it or not.

But Holder understood that there were deeper reasons why the pardon was likely to be approved, which had nothing to do with the political and charitable contributions of Rich’s ex-wife, the Manhattan socialite Denise Rich. The New York Times offered just a hint in a front-page story that appeared shortly after the Holder nomination was announced. Only at the very end did the Times mention the pressure from “the Israelis” that had persuaded Holder not to oppose the pardon — as he told Beth Nolan, then the White House counsel.


http://www.salon.com/2009/01/16/holder_4/

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:18 PM

15. Thank you!

 

Holder the hero!

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:19 PM

18. Thanks for that.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:22 AM

81. That seems to suggest that there are unasked questions about why Hillary voted in favor of

the Iraq War Resolution.

I listened to the whole debate and the speeches. Her vote in comparison to her speech REALLY surprised me. There were so many good Democratic Senators who voted no. Conventional wisdom says she was establishing her "strong on defense" credentials for her inevitable run for the presidency, but now this Marc Rich:Iraq:Mossad connection. . . ?

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:14 PM

163. That was only part of it. Rich was a named figure in IranContra and BCCI - That pardon served

the interests of Poppy Bush more than anyone else. You might also note that Arlen was also the determining vote in keeping Clinton from being removed from office after the impeachment. These favors via Poppy Bush's circle of made men have a way of going around the last 30 years.

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Response to blm (Reply #163)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:41 PM

164. Clinton was probably one of Poppy Bush's circle of made men

Possibly a CIA asset since when he was in the UK and visited the USSR.

Almost certainly as he rose through the political system in Arkansas.

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Response to blm (Reply #163)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:09 AM

177. This is very important information! -eom

 

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:14 PM

14. I believe he was Reno's Deputy AG.

I'm not sure if he had some specific connection to these pardons. He may or may not have.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:25 PM

22. Neither as AG, nor Asst AG can Eric Holder "pardon" anyone. That's a presidential prerogative.

I find it spectacular that Arlen Specter's GOP talking points are being used to slam Holder, for the actions of a selfish spoiled woman, who wants to take her millions and flee the country that made some of her success possible. How the fuck is Eric Holder responsible for that?

This is muckraking at its absolute worst, and a continuation of the "both parties are the same" meme.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 03:59 PM

39. It sure is, and yet so many other people have connections to pardons.

The justice department may be asked to look into case specifics, people within the government may advocate for a pardon (or against one), and while none of those people are ultimately responsible for the pardon, it's not accurate to say that only the president is responsible.

Again, I'm not saying I'm aware of anything personal that Holder had to do with this pardon, whether he advocated for or against it, was asked to look into the case at all as part of the decision making process, of if this is just complete "out of the blue" muckraking, but to say that only the president can issue a pardon and therefore, no one else can be responsible to a degree in the pardon process is not, in my opinion, completely accurate.

I've seen nothing to cause me to believe Specter has a legit argument to make here, though.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:09 PM

11. MSNBC story out -Socialite dumps US passport and most taxes too

 

Socialite dumps US passport and most taxes too
The move could save Denise Rich, 68, millions of dollars over the years

By Lynnley Browning

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Marc Rich's pardon
Rich's ex-husband, commodities trader Marc Rich, fled the United States in 1983 when indicted on charges of tax evasion, fraud, racketeering and illegal trading of oil with Iran. They divorced in 1996.

Marc Rich received a presidential pardon in 2001 on President Bill Clinton's last day in office. Federal prosecutors and Congress investigated the pardon, and in 2002 a House of Representatives committee concluded Denise Rich had swayed the action through donations to the Clinton library and campaign.

Dubbed "Lady Gatsby" by Yachting magazine, Rich owns multiple properties, including a mansion in Aspen, Colorado. She is a frequent habitue of Cannes, Monte Carlo and St. Tropez with celebrities and singers aboard her 157-foot yacht, Lady Joy.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48118502/ns/business-personal_finance/

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More at link

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:18 PM

16. "...aboard her 157-foot yacht, Lady joy. Needs to dodge taxes to pay for the upkeep of her yacht.

Disgusting!

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:21 PM

20. Cook Islands

 

Cook Islands
The recent lawsuit against Rich was filed on behalf of Lee Goldberg, the former protector of a Cook Islands trust of which Rich is a beneficiary, in February. The case was dismissed in April, court records show.

The Cook Islands, a South Pacific tax haven, offers Swiss-style secrecy for wealthy investors.

The lawsuit accused Rich and Richard Kilstock, a British real estate entrepreneur who is married to Rich's daughter Daniella, of "transferring, moving or secreting trust assets, in violation of the trust's guidelines and without the knowledge or permission of Goldberg."

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48118502/ns/business-personal_finance/

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:19 PM

17. seems to me

we ought to change the tax code so that non-citizens who make money in the US pay higher taxes than citizens.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:28 PM

23. That will not be happening. No, quite the opposite in fact. Corporate control.

 

You think anyone in either party will do that? To laugh.

We are about to be in a living hell. Slavery.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:19 PM

19. Quarterly Publication of Individuals, Who Have Chosen To Expatriate

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:24 PM

21. 3 time grammy nominee...at least aretha & mary J found her useful lol nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:40 PM

26. Elitist scumbag was married to corporate tax cheat, pardoned and protected by 'Dems.'

 

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:58 PM

32. I'm sorry, but no one party is big enough to contain her AND me.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 03:21 PM

34. Austria top income tax rate is 50%...so how is she saving money?

versus US?

And the top rate is invoked earlier (i.e., at lower income)

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 03:36 PM

37. Worse yet, she starts by paying the 30% Exit tax. "To save taxes," is pure Rightist bullshit.


Foreign banks are now required to report any funds held by Americans. A lot of banks have a strong tradition of protecting their customers privacy. These banks now refuse to do business with Americans. If you want to continue doing business with these banks, you have to renounce your American citizenship.

Every single ex-partriate I have read quoted on this subject has stated unequivocally that they are *not* doing this to avoid taxes. Every single ex-patriate I have read quoted on this subject has stated unequivocally that they *are* doing this for the reason stated above. Every single one. No exceptions.

Yet, we still have politicians from both sides of the aisle pretending it is about taxes.

Even the guy who moved to Singapore, which really does have lower Capital Gains taxes, will end up paying higher taxes because of the Exit tax. Either these ex-patriates are lying and among the world's stupidiest individuals. Or pols are lying.

Take your pick.

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #37)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:05 PM

40. They should

all leave. The exit tax is likely more than they're paying now (see Romney). That would boost government revenue. Whatever jobs left behind can be filled by people who care about the country and paying their fair share. OK, it's not likely that they'll all leave of the latter scenario will prevail, but good riddance to those who do leave. They're in for a rude awakening.



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Response to ieoeja (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:04 PM

118. What is it about, when you renounce your citizenship because you want to do

business with foreign banks?

Is there a name for that?

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:32 PM

71. Thought she was headed for Singapore

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 03:26 PM

35. Does she own property in the US?

Seize it and add her name to a no entry list for America.

These type of ex pats should not be allowed entry into the US and businesses they own should not be allowed to receive US funds in any manner.

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:30 PM

46. You beat me to it.

 

1. Seize all her U.S. assets.

2. Deny her any future entry to the U.S.

3. Have the State Dept. and/or the President announce, in live national T.V., "Go Fuck Yourself, Lady".

This should be done to anyone who renounces their Citizenship, rich or not rich.

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:47 PM

54. +1. unfortunately, the same leeches have made imposition of such penalties more and more

 

difficult through 'harmonization' rules governing trade agreements.

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:38 PM

155. I agree!

You denounce your citizenship, you give up any property you have and are no longer allowed to enter the US. I'm sorry, but people are dying, some quite literally, to live here and become US citizens-I'd rather have them in the country!

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:09 PM

42. A true American patriot!










(do I also need to add this? probably for the sarcasm impaired)

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:57 PM

48. Why are you trashing democrats?

I hate these purity posts!

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:02 PM

50. This shit pisses me off

And I don't care whether it is a Democratic supporter, or a Republican doing it.

We can't let this kind of shit stand and have a land of opportunity. Where are our leaders that say "this is not right". I want them to stand up and say so, if they are truly leaders of our parties, our communities, our States, and our Nation.

Oh wait, I guess petty corruption doesn't matter. It's better to let petty corruption continue until we don't have a nation anymore.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:15 PM

51. I was told upthread that the 'occupy' rhetoric is tired and worn out.

 

That we should just shut up, lest we upset them and they withold their money.
We should be grateful for whatever crumbs they allow to fall on the floor for us.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:26 PM

61. well, some of the rich third-way need to mold minds

like they did theirs. My ignore list is full of third way folks.

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #61)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 07:41 PM

67. Once your "mind is molded" you are instructed to go out and "Mold" other minds.

Yes...that makes perfect sense if you are a Marketer..and trained at Wharton or other places of Worship.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 05:43 AM

94. Agreed, but I think this is qualifies as major corruption. These parasites have been protected

 

by people we hire to work for us for far too long.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #94)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:19 AM

96. Major corruption indeed. -eom

 

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:44 PM

53. she's an ugly person, despite the obvious work she's had done and the fake tan.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:21 PM

74. plus wearing dead animals shows her lack of compassion which makes her even uglier. nt

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:50 AM

83. She looks cheap. nt

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:38 PM

72. Well, 'bye.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:40 PM

73. Won't fewer elitists in the U.S. ultimately prove to be a good thing?

The bullshit idea that "only the job creators" can make the economy go will ultimately be proven false by the flight of elitist "job creators".

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:42 PM

76. I bet some of the RMoney sons

eventually renounce too.
Hell, maybe Mitt will do us a favor and leave.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 05:16 AM

93. self delete

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:30 PM

99. She disgusts me

But I thought relinquishing your US citizenship did not take away your responsibility for paying US taxes or at least filing a return.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:44 PM

102. don't call her rich

she now goes by Denise Job Creator, so we can't criticize her.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 12:49 PM

106. I really don't blame these uber wealthy foreigners who were just trying to get an advantage

by becoming American citizens. Thanks to their ilk, those vintage opportunities to use America's egalitarianism to get personally rich and powerful are a thing of the past. Go back to Austria and enjoy the socialistic healthcare and other civilized features of European culture. Those aren't ever happening here.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:53 PM

117. She looks like she's ready to star in "The Real Housewives of Vienna"

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:30 PM

121. Cognitive Dissonance: ENGAGE

Just a few weeks ago, this same issue came up surrounding the Facebook IPO. I expect the teams will now switch, an everyone will adopt their "adversaries'" former talking points.

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Response to Marr (Reply #121)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 03:15 AM

174. Dude, SO true. True here, anyway. nt

PB

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 03:51 PM

126. Marc Rich was a named figure in both IranContra and BCCI - Clinton pardoned Rich for Poppy Bush

and Jackson Stephens. After all, they made it possible for him to be president when GHWBush expected to be impeached after the release of the BCCI report.

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Response to blm (Reply #126)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:01 PM

154. blm, thank you for that information. Interesting.

 

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:43 PM

135. If didn't have family here

 

and I were young enough to start over, I'd move back to Denmark where my family comes from. A much more humane place to live.

The U.S. of the founding fathers and mothers, that's hardly recognizable in the country we live in now.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 04:51 PM

141. You are witnessing exactly what will happen

If the tax rate on millionaires is raised to 90%, like some here are expressing a desire for.

They. Will. Leave.

We need a rate that truly will make impacts yet not be so punative that people will just cut their losses and leave the US, taking their wealth with them.

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Response to B2G (Reply #141)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 05:10 PM

143. Randian nonsense. Let 'em go. GTFO! Just take away their bennies!

 

I believe we poor suckers who remain can handle things. Maybe we prosecute the banker criminals too!

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Response to B2G (Reply #141)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:16 AM

158. I doubt it, but if they want to renounce citizenship, fine.

They should have to stand in line for a visa like everyone else and while they're waiting, go stay in their favored homeland. You don't want to pay our tax rates, then you don't get to enjoy the benefits.

Not so long ago, selfish megalomaniacs like this would have been branded traitors. That was around the same time that we had 90%+ tax brackets and enjoyed the most prosperous era in our country's history. History has much to teach us if we will listen.

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Response to B2G (Reply #141)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:55 AM

159. B3G

 

We'd be much better off. The millionaires just feed off the rest of us. Do you think the Facebook chap contributed anything worthwhile to this country? Even Bill Gates is sending his money overseas.

Make it impossible for them to enjoy any US benefits, however. No Visas, I'd like to see no owning US property.

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Response to B2G (Reply #141)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:03 PM

173. 50-60% should be about fine.

In the 1940s through 1950s the income tax on millionaires was very high. Of course they strategized methods to avoid paying the supposed rates.

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Response to B2G (Reply #141)

Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:17 PM

179. Is that a threat or a promise?

Can we get it in writing?

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:10 PM

147. And people wonder why we have Occupy.

Fuck the 1%!

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:12 PM

153. Renouncing US Citizenship Discussed In Forbes Mag During Dubya Years

The pros (and perhaps the cons, but mostly the pros) of renouncing one's US citizenship was discussed in a Forbes magazine article before Barack Obama became President. Forbes was anything but critical of people who made such a decision and notably slow to denounce any lack of patriotism on the part of such people who would renounce their citizenship in the land of their birth for the benefit of growing their personal estate.

Indeed, Forbes still is discussing renouncing one's US citizenship for tax purposes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/investopedia/2012/05/29/renouncing-your-citizenship-madness-or-sanity/2/

For those political tyros and those who haven't paid attention to "Steverino" Forbes and his politics--Forbes is a business magazine with a notably right-wing tilt. Forbes spent part of the 2008 election tub-thumping for Republican politicians.

I disapprove of Denise Rich's actions--I think that was a disloyal and unpatriotic action on her part. I would also say that there are quite a few right-wingers and corporatist-minded individuals who have already swapped their allegiance from the red, white, and blue to some other flag of convenience.

But I doubt that either tools of the various right-wing propaganda organs or the inquisitive or diligent members of the corporate mainstream news media are going to look very hard or very long for those individuals who have dropped their US citizenship for personal convenience but who lack personal or financial ties to Democratic Party candidates or progressive-favored political causes.

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Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #153)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:00 AM

156. Interesting. Not that surprising though considering that for a long time

people have noticed the lack of concern for any country among the world's 'elite'. They are Globalists, and probably see nothing wrong with what they are doing since money is their GOD and in the pursuit of money, anything goes, including their countries.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:08 AM

157. Should have to relinquish visa and leave the country immediately.

A few decades ago people would call her a traitor.

Nowadays it's de rigueur.

How many more decades do we have left until the whole shebang collapses into a pile of rubble? Not many I'd guess.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:47 PM

165. She says she's leaving to be closer to her loved ones.

She says it's her companion, but we all know it's her millions.

Good riddance.

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 05:30 AM

175. Good riddance. n/t

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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:12 AM

176. bye,bye,don`t let the door hit ya on your ass

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