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Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:20 PM

Political Compass

where do you find yourself? http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

this is me



here's how this site talks about alignments: http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

here's a quiz that notes various political statements. I think it's good to note that all politicians have made bad decisions, done bad things and some that we don't align with have also done some good things. that's the way the world works.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/iconochasms

here are where various political figures line up on the grid as of 2008



what I recognize from this sort of thing is that my political opinions are not within the bounds of the narrow allowable discourse by national pols. this helps when I want to make all or nothing statements about any pol.

me and Nelson Mandela, on the other hand, or the Dalai Lama, would have a lot to agree upon. The Pope and I share more in common in views of economic justice than I do with Dubya.

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RainDog Dec 2011 OP
murielm99 Dec 2011 #1
RainDog Dec 2011 #4
Va Lefty Dec 2011 #2
RainDog Dec 2011 #3
tnlurker Dec 2011 #5
RainDog Dec 2011 #6
RainDog Dec 2011 #7
NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #8
Xicano Dec 2011 #16
Little Star Dec 2011 #9
Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #10
RainDog Dec 2011 #12
Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #18
RainDog Dec 2011 #24
joshcryer Dec 2011 #20
Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #50
RainDog Jan 2012 #62
toddaa Dec 2011 #11
RainDog Dec 2011 #13
joshcryer Dec 2011 #17
RainDog Dec 2011 #31
Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2012 #56
joshcryer Jan 2012 #58
Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2012 #60
Xicano Dec 2011 #14
joshcryer Dec 2011 #15
Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2012 #55
joshcryer Dec 2011 #19
TBF Dec 2011 #21
Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #22
RainDog Dec 2011 #25
Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #26
RainDog Dec 2011 #29
Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #32
RainDog Dec 2011 #35
Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #36
joshcryer Dec 2011 #37
Odin2005 Dec 2011 #23
taught_me_patience Dec 2011 #27
RainDog Dec 2011 #33
RZM Dec 2011 #28
RainDog Dec 2011 #30
RZM Dec 2011 #34
RainDog Dec 2011 #39
kentuck Dec 2011 #38
eridani Dec 2011 #40
RainDog Dec 2011 #42
eridani Dec 2011 #41
Rochester Dec 2011 #43
joshcryer Dec 2011 #44
RainDog Dec 2011 #45
Rochester Dec 2011 #46
RainDog Dec 2011 #48
Rochester Dec 2011 #49
TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #47
LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #51
Denninmi Dec 2011 #52
daleanime Jan 2012 #53
Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2012 #54
RainDog Jan 2012 #57
Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2012 #59
RainDog Jan 2012 #61
Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2012 #63
hootinholler Jan 2012 #64
amyrose2712 Jan 2012 #65
Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2012 #68
banned from Kos Jan 2012 #66
RainDog Jan 2012 #67
AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #69

Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:32 PM

1. I love that site.

Be sure your get your fellow Democrats to take the survey. You might be surprised by how much company you have.

I found that my county Democratic organization's members all fall in about the same spot as you. Surprisingly, even the oldest members of the group are not very authoritarian. And I live in a rural county in Northern Illinois.

I have thought, since the Clinton years, that the rank and file of the party is much farther to the left than the leadership. This is why many of us are holding our noses when we vote. The right wing crazies have spent two decades turning "liberal" into a dirty word. People are tuning them out, just like they are getting tired of hearing about God, guns and gays. I am not talking about Democrats exclusively. You would be surprised how many of my nominally repub neighbors are sick of the same old rhetoric.

Thanks for reminding me about that website.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:01 PM

4. I hope the populists move from culture war to economic justice

because, imo, that would be the truly loving and compassionate stance.

so many social problems, imo, stem from issues related to jobs because our society defines itself by work in so many ways. whether that's good or bad, that's how it seems to stand.

if those issues weren't of so much concern to people's sense of survival, it be would possible for people to move on to other issues - that whole hierarchy of needs idea. wages do not have to meet some hobbesian level for stockholders to make profits.

I just never understood how, politically, religious involvement didn't center around compassion for those in need and loving your fellow humans rather than demonizing them.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:34 PM

2. My score

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49

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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:55 PM

3. my similar numbers


Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:56 PM

5. Here is mine



Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.95

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Response to tnlurker (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 07:03 PM

6. the site also has a reading list

I looked at it to see how many titles I'd already read.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:00 PM

7. Canadian Elections 2011



It's interesting to see the difference between American options.

The New Democratic Party (NDP) of Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democratic_Party

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:01 PM

8. Mine

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.44

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:05 PM

16. NorthCarolina your score is almost what mine is.

 

I posted my score below.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:27 PM

9. Here is mine...

I seem to have quite a bit in common with the Dalai Lama


Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:34 PM

10. hard core left-libertarian, here.

Every time I take it I get about -8 on the social side and -4 on the economic side.


Now watch, however, as a gaggle of people show up to throw shitfits, mostly because the word "libertarian" makes them reflexively break out in hives.


The fact that they're usually the same people who support censorship, or the drug war, is just a complete coincidence, too.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:53 PM

12. I wish they'd do one of these for political theorists

Cornel West probably falls into the same sector

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Response to RainDog (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:12 PM

18. What's annoying is the disconnect between the many people- probably the majority-

who are small-l libertarian on things like the drug war, and the relative dearth of political leadership actively advocating for us on those issues.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:53 PM

24. politicians are far more authoritarian than the gen. public, it seems

...and considering politics is about the power to wield authority granted by the state, I guess this makes sense - those folks want to have that power.

but it's sort of interesting that the range of options is so narrow, especially when you consider political parties in western europe.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:19 PM

20. Most people here know what libertarian means in this context.

IMHO.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:34 AM

50. That's good, then. Maybe someone learned something from previous flame-fests over the Pol. Compass

Test.

They've taken place, I know that. My memory isn't that shitty. I hope.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #50)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:34 PM

62. I miss so much here

and, when it comes to flame fests, I'm not sorry that I do.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:49 PM

11. Always come out about the same everytime I take it -8/-8 Anarchist with a capital A

I'm a Daoist to boot.

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Response to toddaa (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:58 PM

13. funny thing is that I don't oppose private property

and in a lot of ways, I share ideas with the conservative Progressive Party - trust busting, conservation of parks and resources.

but I don't share their empirical ambitions.

Progressives in the U.S. have traditionally been conservatives who recognize that, when wealth becomes too concentrated in the hands of too few, financial regulations are necessary to create a more stable society and a social safety net is necessary to benefit the greater good and create a better society for a majority of its citizens.

I don't know how current "conservatives" reconcile that tradition w/i their ranks with the crony legislation and piss poor record on the environment (the two are connected - I guess that why conservatives have given up on the idea of progressive politics.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:10 PM

17. That may be to a issue over the definition of private property.

No socialist is against possessions or personal property, they're against non-possessive or 'private' contract-only property.

So a socialist is perfectly fine with you having a house, a car, even a store (without implementing wages; in which case it gets a bit more complicated*), but if you have two houses, several stores, and you are benefiting the most, your property falls into more of a "non-possessive" territory.

*mutualists do not believe laborers should get wages, they believe that laborers should get the full product of their labor, so if a laborer works in your store and the store makes $500 in one day, the laborer gets $250 less the cost to upkeep the store, say, the cost of a broom to sweep the store less the cost of replacement and the period of time it lasts, etc. There are many other socialisms that handle this differently, of course, I chose mutualism here because you're clearly anti-authoritarian, and the Trotskyite version isn't as appealing of an example.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:31 PM

31. yeah

I wish the thing had more questions or questions that get into more detail about one thing v another.

I used to live in Belgium - a social democracy - big capitalists too. some ppl had two houses and big jobs and some ppl had a small house and were on disability. no one was in the street that I knew and no one worried they would fall through the cracks in the system.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:02 PM

56. Mutualism doesn't eliminate wage labor ...

They just believe in the Labor Theory of Value and that the price of a good is reflected in the labor used to create it (or service). They also believe in market relations in terms of exchange of goods and services (free-market socialism).

I tend to go between mutualism and collectivism myself.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #56)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:17 PM

58. I kind of dislike the word wage, especially if your wage is equal or close to equal...

...to the full product of your labor. Perhaps recompense would be more appropriate, or salary, or, better; 'share.' But I don't disagree with you, as I think you're right.

I'm not a mutualist or a collectivist (I have my own weird conception of anarchism, sort of a literal-individualist-collectivist-socialist-anti-monetarist-transhuman type), however, I do like mutualism because it's logically consistent and even after having not read much mutualist stuff in a long time I think I can sit back and just make the connections.

You wouldn't disagree with the general idea I proposed of a mutualist store would you? Full product of labor less cost of upkeep... I seem to recall that being the basis for these sorts of situations. I remember having a long discussion with an "anarcho"-capitalist about this, and providing dozens and dozens of economic / market scenarios.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:23 PM

60. No, I don't disagree at all ...

I think it's completely compatible with mutualism, and I think Proudhon, in terms of economies of scale, opted for worker controlled enterprises, and at the local level, more in line with the mom and pop shops free from non-coercive contracts.

I only made my post in addition to yours for clarification.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:01 PM

14. Mine

 

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:04 PM

15. -8, -8 on the nose.



I recently retook this so it's changed a tad bit over the years. It was in the -7's before.

No, my DU rhetoric does not reflect my personal ideology.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 04:13 PM

55. Bah, you're still a right-wing fascist compared to me.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:17 PM

19. BTW, do a Google Image Search for Political Compass. The Internet as a whole is left-lib, imo.

I mean, the sample I've seen whenever I do this (and I just did it again to just get an idea if it's changed) is almost fully left-libertarian.

This is a good sign.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:19 PM

21. Way down in the corner ...

Economic Left/Right: -9.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:25 PM

22. I end up in exactly the same spot you do, as I do every time I do this quiz.

 

And then come here and have to endure being called a centrist, a DINO, a troll, a sellout. Go fucking figure.

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Response to Dewey Finn (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:02 PM

25. really?

you haven't been here long. who's picking on you?

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Response to RainDog (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:11 PM

26. I've been here

 

almost nine years, in fact. And I don't feel that I'm being picked on. It's just a statement of fact, one of the many ironies of this haven for "Democrats and other progressives." The accusations come thick and fast when one dares to question what passes for conventional wisdom.

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Response to Dewey Finn (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:26 PM

29. people jump on others all the time

happens to me too.

I just smack back and move on or just ignore.

I've had my moments too when I'm really ticked about something. I try to step back from those moments.

I have one person who has regularly attacked me for not attacking democrats enough and thinks I'm an obamabot and others who think I attack obama without basis all the time.

there are all kinds on a message board.

I didn't mean to say you weren't picked on - just joking around. or, that you were... you know what I mean?

After Dean lost the nom back in the day, I didn't come here for about a year. I was really, really busy and I couldn't handle all the message control.

moments like that go in waves. sometimes I've just spent time in the lounge to stay out of the fray, too.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:33 PM

32. No offense taken. Thanks.

 

It just strikes me that a lot of people here probably fall into that same corner of the graph, but waste so damned much time throwing accusations at each other. I do it too, when I don't stop and question my own behavior.

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Response to Dewey Finn (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:35 PM

35. the internets

has really brought out the rude in folks. :/

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Response to RainDog (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:36 PM

36. Amen.

 

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Response to Dewey Finn (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:40 PM

37. Ahh, that's nothing. I've been called a paid CIA operative.

Geez, you just give a practical opinion on actual, everyday politics, and because it doesn't reflect your ideology (ie, because you're not a flagrant ideologue) you get smeared.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:26 PM

23. Economic -9.75, Social -7.33

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:15 PM

27. Economic -2 Social -5

Not close to anybody on that map, nor most on DU.

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Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:34 PM

33. some of it depends on the questions offered

for instance - if it had asked about CEO to worker compensation ratios, you might get a better indication of someone's pov.

I really value initiative and reward for the same - I just don't think many should suffer while one prospers and don't think private institutions are the best way to reach those in need.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:25 PM

28. Here's mine

 

Pretty much where I expected.

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Response to RZM (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:29 PM

30. these are interesting. what are your numbers?

and... could someone reach zero?!?!?!

maybe one of these days I'll get all inspired and make a graph with everyone's dots. but probably not. lolol.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:34 PM

34. Economic -2.75. Social -1.69

 

Now that I think about it, I'm a little surprised my economic is more than my social. That's not how I usually see myself. I answered 'strongly' on all of the religion, drug, and sex questions

Funny that I'm also in almost the exact spot as Kucinich, with whom I disagree on many things. Interesting survey and thanks for posting!

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Response to RZM (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:57 PM

39. I think there's a lot of room for interpretation

but it's fun to talk about and share, so thanks for joining in the conversation!

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:50 PM

38. Here is mine...

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:03 PM

40. My guess is that 80% of DU would be in the left libertarian quadrant n/t

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Response to eridani (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:21 PM

42. interesting

I have no idea where people might fall on the quads. I think mine is a little more to the outside than I am - but I think that has to do with the way the questions are set up.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:08 PM

41. Like most of the rest of DU

Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:58 PM

43. Economic: -9.00 Social: -2.36

As expected, only slightly left of center on the social issues, but waaaaaaaaaaaay to the left on the economic.

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Response to Rochester (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:59 PM

44. That's quite interesting, you're like, no offense, a reverse conservative, ha.

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Response to Rochester (Reply #43)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:42 AM

45. interesting

how do you view issues of personal choice? is that where the difference comes in for you?

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Response to RainDog (Reply #45)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:19 AM

46. Could you be more specific?

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Response to Rochester (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:29 AM

48. well, I don't have the questions in front of me

I was just trying to guess questions that would be included for the various numbers.

I thought the one about cannabis might be one. The one about abortion might be another. Those are just two I remember.

I don't mean to be intrusive. Just chatting.



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Response to RainDog (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:43 AM

49. Oh, that was a category from the test.

I didn't remember the names of the categories.
Without going back to re-read the test, I assume that I had some moderate answers but also some stronger answers on other issues that canceled each other out. On the different social issues I'm all over from left to right and everywhere in between, and appear to average out just left of center. But on the economic issues, I'm all over from left to far-left to farthest-left.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:26 AM

47. Economic Left/Right: -8.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:01 AM

51. Economic -7.5; Social - 7.18

Of course, the politicians haven't actually (presumably) sat the test, so it's all rather a guess where they'd be.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:42 PM

52. Some of these questions are rather goofy, IMHO.

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.79

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 02:15 PM

53. Eco -8.38, Soc -6.67

Right in the goove with DU!

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:55 PM

54. You authoritarian right-winger! [Left/Right: -9.12, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31]

I'm just a touch left and to the bottom of you.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-9.12&soc=-8.31

Edit: I can't create an image for some reason. Did the code change?

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #54)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:07 PM

57. you have to post it to your own image acct. ala photobucket

I guess they don't want to have to host everyone's results.

you commie pinko anarchist!

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Response to RainDog (Reply #57)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:18 PM

59. ahh, thank you!

Fellow comrade!

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #59)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:25 PM

61. my former father-in-law

was a labor leader in Belgium for a time, for the printers.

he used to call me "com-a-rad-deh" (phonetically) all the time.

I was much farther to the right than he was, so it was sort of a joke, but also a term of endearment. I miss him. But, because of him, I always pronounce that word to myself in that way.

a sweet memory.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #61)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 07:32 PM

63. Very cool ...

I, too, have fond memories of my grand parents and some of the things they said and the way they said it.

Sigh ...

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sat Jan 7, 2012, 08:05 PM

64. It's been a while for me

-5.12 and -6.87

A little more libertarian and a little less left than last time.

There are quite a few DUers I would love to see the scores for.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 10:44 PM

65. Economic Left/Right: -9.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92

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Response to amyrose2712 (Reply #65)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 04:37 PM

68. Compared to you, I'm a fascist right-winger ...

LOL

I'm "Left/Right: -9.12, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31"

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 10:58 PM

66. Economic Left/Right: -2.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77

 

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #66)

Sun Jan 8, 2012, 11:22 PM

67. I'm glad people are still participating in this one!

nice to see people

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 04:50 PM

69. Mine --

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