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Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:43 AM

Women's feet are a mess (not so with men's feet)

Every time my GP sees me walking into his office with high heeled shoes and high heeled boots, he always tells me the same thing: that I need to change shoes or I'm going to end up with big foot, leg, and spine problems.

I gotta admit I have a long-standing love affair with shoes, particularly high heeled ones. I'm not tall, and these make me taller. However, doing research on the Internet I found an x-ray of a woman's foot in a high heeled shoe and it scared the living daylights out of me, so I looked at the article. SCARY what we women do to our feet! I'm trying to come to terms with this and find the courage to wear better shoes, lower heeled shoes.

In any case, here's the article that scared some sense into me.

Are foot and ankle problems worse for women?
By Judith F. Baumhauer, MD, and Kathryn O’Connor, PT

... women’s feet are not just smaller versions of men’s feet.

A research study by Wunderlich and Cavanagh examining lower limb and foot measurements of approximately 300 men and 500 women in the U.S. Army concluded that biologic differences existed between male and female feet and legs. They noted significant differences in arch shape, size of the lateral side of the foot, great toe, and ball of the foot. Women, for example, had a wider forefoot, shorter arch length, and shorter metatarsals compared to men. This study was among the first to promote incorporating the structural differences between the female and male foot into the design and manufacturing of women’s shoes.

... Studies have shown that differences in the structure and size of the foot bones (specifically by measurements of metatarsal, phalangeal, calcaneal, and talar bones) have allowed for forensic identification of sex. ... Although the initial purpose of the study was not to identify sex differences, statistically significant disparities were noted. For instance, the study showed that women had a 20 percent to 25 percent lower volume and surface area in the subtalar, talonavicular, and ankle joints and up to 16 percent thinner cartilage. ...Women and men also have significant differences in gait. Studies by both Kerrigan and associates and Sepic and associates have shown that plantar flexion and range of motion of the ankle are greater in women, possibly due to greater laxity in female ligaments.

... the typical, more fashionable high-heeled shoe with a narrow toe box causes increased plantar pressure and toe crowding, which can cause bunions (hallux valgus), bunionettes, hammer toe, and even neuromas. ...Studies show that 88 percent of women wear shoes too small for their feet and 70 percent were noted to have associated hallux valgus deformity. ... hammer toe is four to five times more common in women. ...Shoes with a heel of 1.5" or higher increase knee torque with walking, which may be associated with the increase of knee osteoarthritis.


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http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/mar08/clinical2.asp

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:47 AM

1. my theory of high heels

is they're a plot against women. especially klutzy women such as myself.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:49 AM

2. LOL My sister just doesn't wear them. She has dressy flats for dress-up occasions. If she tried to

walk in heels, she'd fall on her nose. She just never learned.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:00 AM

7. I gave all my heels to a woman's shelter many, many years ago.

Along with most of my dresses. I think I have three, now.

I saw a woman in high heeled snow boots, once. They were definitely made for snow, made of waterproof fabric & some fake fur around the top, but on a 2-3" heel. I had my flat snow boots on & I felt precarious walking.

One thing I've noticed, too, is more uneven walking surfaces with all the new designer tile & stone. I was at a restaurant for a business meeting & the walk way into the building was this bumpy, pebbly stuff. Inside, the floor was this very textured tile. I thought if I was in heels, I would have to take them off or fall on my face. I don't know how women do it.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:06 AM

12. Neither do I

Flats all the time here.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:17 PM

144. Finn Comfort for me

or flip-flop/slides for this clumsy old lady

I used to wear "fashionable" shoes , and my feet ached all the time & I had bouts of sciatica..

Since discarding anything that is not super-comfy, my feet are great..and no more sciatica

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:14 AM

20. I stopped wearing them 30 years ago

It was as good a decision as giving up red meat.

I love shoes a lot but I love my back more -I will never wear a high heel again in my life.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:45 AM

40. Strangely enough they were invented by a woman. nt

 

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:52 AM

3. I've never cared much for catch-me-fuck-me shoes.

Life's too short to spend it in uncomfortable shoes.

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Response to gkhouston (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:55 AM

4. True. Plus the damage to feet is not too amusing, either

I've got to get myself into some normal shoes quickly. I've already developed plantar fasciitis in my left foot. Not fun.

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Response to gkhouston (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:20 PM

105. Hmmm so they should only be worn when they are having sex.

Preferably, while on their feet?

Need to start an ad campaign that identifies the purpose of high heel shoes is for sex. But the problem is that there will be women that will want to have others think they are having a lot of sex. Or men will want to buy women high heel shoes to send a message that they want sex with them.

Maybe, the morality group will step up and start a campaign to ban the use of high heels in public? Or lobby the government for the ban?

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #105)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:06 PM

192. rofl, yup solution is dont wear them everyday, just that ahem special occassion.

 

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:55 AM

5. Former ballerina here

So basically the MALE dancers should be en pointe and we should be in the lyrical shoes!

My feet are a hot mess by genetics (bunions/bunionettes) and add pointe shoes to that and - you have a better chance of meeting god in the next five minutes than you do finding a pair of shoes higher then an inch and a half (with a WIDE heel) in my closet!

Thanks for posting this though! I put stilettos up there with panty hose - a cruel sick joke!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:02 AM

8. Yeah, but wait until the next big thing here...



Stiletto Implants!

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:09 AM

18. hahahaha! OMG! nt

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:19 AM

21. OMG - LOL

and gross too! That really shows how the foot looks inside a high heel.
Ouch!
I've never worn heels, due to this damn brace I've had my entire life.

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Response to otohara (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:27 AM

24. You've not missed out on much, except falling down. :) nt

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:35 AM

30. OMG I can't decide

which is worse...

that, or foot binding...





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Response to pipi_k (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:09 AM

66. They're slightly similar! nt

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:22 PM

106. After seeing that. I'm wondering...

if that is the reason when I was a a public swimming pool a few years ago I saw a woman walking and her two big toes flopped around when she walked?

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:05 PM

120. I seriously

Want to looking at that! Ouch!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #120)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:30 PM

122. Can you imagine the heel callous you would have to develop to avoid bleeding out?

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:13 PM

191. DUzy nominee!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:04 AM

10. LOL! God in the closet. :)

Stilettos should only be used as weapons lol Bunions are unfun. Bunion surgery must be even less fun!

Actually, I like wide heels. I saw some boots with wide heels, about 1" high... maybe I'll stop by the shop later today. lol

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:00 AM

6. I haven't worn heels in decades

I was a waitress in my 20s. It taught me to take care of my feet no matter what.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:06 AM

13. Very wise. I've been wearing high heels since I graduated from college, and my left Achilles

tendon is screaming. My doc gives me prolotherapy shots, which has helped, but not much if I keep wearing high heels into his office. It defeats the purpose.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:04 AM

9. I refuse to wear heels

When I was young, all of my women mentors, Mom, Grandma, Mother in Law, Aunts, said DON'T WEAR HEELS. And after watching them soak their feet every night I made a decision to not ruin my feet.

Years later, watching my mom go through several painful foot surgeries to correct the damage her high heels had done, I knew I had made the right decision.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:08 AM

16. Everyone should have women in their families that urge kids not to wear high heels

Maybe that way they'll avert an ugly (and costly!) love affair with high heels.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:05 AM

11. Sadly, I have engaged in this self destructive behavior

I love shoes ... I love heels ... unlike you, I am tall (on the "short" side of tall, but tall nonetheless) .... ?

Articles like this help me reorient ... I'll wear more "flats" ... for a while at least.

Seriously, good article with good info.

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:07 AM

15. Thanks! Me too. God I LOVE shoes!! Maybe I'll just wear high heels at social occasions.

And flats everywhere else.

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:24 PM

109. Find some pictures of women feet in terrible condition because of high heels

and post them by your shoes.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #109)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:33 PM

115. Tha's actually quite a good idea

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:07 AM

14. Both my own mother and my mother-in-law

have very bad bunions. They're both in their 80s, and so were fashionably young in the 1940s. They wore high heels most of their adult lives, because that was the fashionable thing to do. Now, they pay for it in many ways.

Again, fashion creates problems for women, as it seems to have for just about ever. In the mid to late 19th and early 20th century, corsets ruined the health of women by displacing and compressing abdominal organs. And, again, they were worn by young women for fashion reasons.

Following fashion is bad for women, in many ways. From corsets to cadaverous thinness, it always seems that fashion does its best to destroy the very young, fashionable women it supposedly caters to. The answer? Women should examine current fashions for harmful things and refuse to accept being harmed for fashion's sake.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:11 AM

19. Fashion sure is not kind to women, Mineral Man. I hadn't even thought about the corsets!

The high heeled shoe thing is like a modern foot binding. It makes a woman a bit disabled, and it makes a mess of her feet.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:44 AM

37. I was shocked to see my mother's feet, and my mother-in-laws.

They are now badly deformed and painful. The cause was too-small, badly-designed high heeled shoes. On the other hand, my wife, who grew up in the 1960s and 1970s, never wore high heels. Her feet, now that she's in her 50s, are just fine, look like normal human feet, and cause her no problems. I guess it was OK during that period for young women to wear shoes that didn't harm them.

When I look back at my own youthful period, in the 1960s, I cannot recall a single case of anorexia in my high school. Not one. Then, as I look through my collection of Sears catalogs from that period (I have dozens of old ones, dating back to the 1890s), I see that all of the models in those catalogs are more or less of normal weight. The depiction of extremely thin women also did not appear in the many magazines I read in my high school years. I truly believe that contributed to a more healthy body image for adolescent girls during that time, and helped to prevent most of the cases of eating disorders.

Fashion has always troubled me, as I follow my hobby of looking back at popular culture in history. It often seems to do harm to women.

My ex-wife, to whom I was married for 17 years, starting in 1972 was another example of fashion and advertising causing harm. When I met her, and in the early period of our relationship, she was always troubled with facial complexion problems. Applying an almost endless stream of products that were supposed to cure those problems did not do anything to help. One day, after hearing about her dilemma again, I read the label on the current "moisturizing" product that was supposed to be helping. The principal ingredients included several types of alcohol, along with some mineral oil and other ingredients. Understanding chemistry, I realized that those alcohols in her product did exactly the opposite of what the product was supposed to do. The mineral oil in the product gave an immediate effect that was beneficial, but the alcohols soon took over, drying and irritating her facial skin even further. The solution was to use more of the product.

She had no skin problems anywhere else but her face. None. In fact, she had beautiful skin. So, I explained the chemistry of the products she was using, and why they were causing her skin not to improve, but were actually exacerbating the problem. "So, what am I supposed to do?" she asked. Here's what I suggested to her, all based on chemistry. I suggested that she wash her face only with Ivory soap, and that she switch to Ponds Cold Cream as the only product she used on her facial skin. She tried that, and within a month, her facial skin looked as smooth and healthy as the rest of her skin.

I tell this story, because it was the advertising for those skin care products that had convinced her that they were necessary for her skin to be healthy-looking, so she went from one product to the other, hoping for the results they promised. It was only when she stopped buying those products and cared for her skin in a way that made sense that her skin problems went away completely.

Ignoring the fashion and cosmetic industry is the answer, I think. Wear what you (general you) think looks good on you and causes no harm, and care for your hair and skin in ways that do not involve long ingredient lists and things will go well, both short term and especially long term.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:18 PM

87. Thanks for this MineralMan.

I have pretty good skin for a 50 something woman. I've been buying a particular brand of moisturizer for years. The price kept going up and now it's about $80! I ran out a couple of days ago (too much trouble to go to the Mall due to crowds) and decided to use my body lotion "temporarily" and run to the Mall later. I realized my inexpensive body lotion worked better than the real pricey moisturizer I've been using for years! All that money and the best product was the cheapest one in the bathroom.

I love heals but haven't worn anything over 3 inches. I prefer low heals because I remember why my Mom's feet looked like and the surgery she had to have to remove bunions due to wearing heels for years. She wears flats almost all the time now.

Heels are torture but I do like how they look. I love shoes in general but I don't wear heels very often anymore.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:43 AM

36. And don't forget hoop skirts.

I don't really understand why women's fashion shouldn't be comfortable and practical.

I'm hard pressed to think of any fashion trend in history that required men to wear something completely unwieldy just to look good (unless you count powdered wigs).

We guys have an easy time of it. A nice suit and tie with sensible shoes is usually as bad we have it.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:57 AM

53. Men's clothing has changed surprisingly little

since the 19th century. It's funny. Oh, suit styles change some, decade by decade, but it's still a suit. The worst men's suits ever were the ones from the 70s. Now, those were just horrible. They make great costumes though, if you're going for a laugh.

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Response to Liberal Veteran (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:09 AM

65. Hoop skirts must've been a nightmare! Imagine sitting in those? nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #65)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:35 PM

93. Yabbut they kept pesky men at a distance, pretty much.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #93)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:38 PM

95. LOL! Even small pieces of furniture could be hidden in there. nt

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #93)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:27 PM

110. The ones that couldn't fit inside the skirt.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #110)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:46 PM

118. Which is why people of exceptionally short stature were so

popular in the 19th century, I suppose. You could sneak one into a party or something, and nobody would be the wiser. Yeah...that's the ticket.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #65)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:40 PM

157. They were actually a safety hazard -

lots of women backed their skirts into the flames of a fireplace and didn't realize they'd set themselves on fire until the skirt was really burning!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #157)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:53 PM

161. Oh my God. That gives a whole new meaning to 'that just burns me up.' Remember the corset in

Gone With The Wind? The one in which Hattie McDaniel is lacing up Scarlett's corset and tells her to hold her breath and that she's getting fat or something?

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:09 AM

17. I LOVE my moccasins! Linky for you!

Check out the minnetonka website-
http://www.minnetonkamoccasin.com/
The 3 layer fringe boots on the HP are the ones I wear everyday.
Guys tell me they are "sexy."
Maybe so, all I know is they are the most comfortable
foor wear I have ever owned.
I really like their boot styles!
BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:26 AM

23. Oooh NICE!!! I love those!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:45 AM

38. Love the first pair-

Very sexy!
BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:49 AM

45. Moccasins are perfect footwear, I think.

A close as you can get to going bare-footed.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:52 AM

47. Nothing beats the feeling of riding barefooted bare back on a horse.

The Native Americans had it right.
Love my mocs and riding bareback on a good spanish mustang!
BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #47)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:55 AM

50. Well, I love mocs, but that horseback riding thing

isn't my thing. The first time I was ever on a horse, I fell off and fractured my arm. I'm afraid I never got back on. I like horses though, but just don't ride 'em.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:13 AM

70. Oh , I'm sorry to hear that-

That's not the norm with a good horse.
Sounds like you got on a green horse.
Give it another try with a more seasoned horse.
They can be such good friends.
I prefer them to most people.
BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #47)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:05 PM

83. Gah! I've gotten stomped on too many times to go barefoot around horses!

I have a cringe going on right now even thinking of getting stomped on without shoes - eek!

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #83)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:15 PM

129. LOL! Once was enough for me- entirely my fault too.

I alway keep a hand on the horse so it knows where I am.
Arms length is a pretty good rule when walking around one out of it's sight line.
Be careful!
It hurts like HELL when ones steps on you.
But seriously, I take full responsibility if it happens again to me.
Learned my lesson 15 years ago-
Took six months and pounds of comfrey root wraps to heal my toe!
Feet are SO delicate, bone wise.
BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #129)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:50 PM

134. Geez, I get stepped on at least once/week - heels, ankles, toes.

Once I had a young stallion literally rear up and land with his legs around my neck (trying to mount me). He'd just arrived at the farm the day before to be broke and was a raging fool even with the chain - he pulled his little mounting stunt not 10 feet after I took him out of the stall. Of course his owners neglected to tell us THAT fun fact before he arrived. Funnily enough, he clunked his head on the barn aisle ceiling rafters when he reared up and "taught" himself a painful lesson without me reprimanding him even once. Good thing too because I'd already dropped the chain and curled up on the floor trying to get out of his way. One of the guys who worked for me ran over and grabbed the rope, and said the young stallion just stood there in those first few seconds looking totally confused and shit faced. I rolled out of the way and stood up as the horse was shaking it off. By the time I took the rope again, the horse was EXTREMELY docile and never pulled the stunt again. Truly one of the most memorable horse blows I've ever received!

Most of the horses at my farm are highly grained-up, extremely fit, over large, and hot (dressage and high level eventers)! I won't say it's my fault, I really won't - its just the nature of the sport horses we usually have here. Well, except one - one of my regular offenders is 28 years old and totally blind. He will only leave his stall for turnout with his mare friend Avita so I've always got them both in hand at the same time, but if he hears anything out of the ordinary he skitters around in a panic - colliding with me and (regularly) stepping into my space. I can have my hand on him all day long but if he spooks he literally wants to jump in my lap and there's no way my hand is going to stop 1000 panicking lbs trying to leap into my space. I've tried to get the owner to move him to a retirement farm but she insists on staying. We're a performance horse farm and she pays a LOT of money to keep him here in retirement (and I pay with my weekly bruising).

40 horses turned out and brought back in daily, plus the training and handling usually means I'm going to catch it somewhere on my body. And don't even get me started on the freaking youngsters! It does hurt like hell, that's for damn sure.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #134)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:57 PM

138. OMG! You are working in a SERIOUS horse scene! I'm envious!

Sounds like you need to keep a barrel of Comfrey Leaves
for your self. Ever used it? It's a miracle herb.
The NA called it "knit bone" for it's healing propertites.

Where is the farm you work on located?
Sounds Texan!

The horses I am around all pretty much house pets. LOL.
I wanna come visit!
BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #138)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:31 PM

147. 40 miles west of Chicago! Come anytime!! I have a packer QH we keep for guests

Now SHE'S my bombproof girl - she's the same if you ride her 6 times a year or 6 times/week. She lives out in the run-in shed with the broodmares, foals, and my daughter's outgrown pony (and of course the packer QH's never stepped on me, ever).

My husband is a professional dressage and combined training rider and trainer. Our farm is one of the "biggies" in the midwest if i do say so myself but we do travel all over for competitions. We'll have to arrange a meet up if you are ever in the area or if I'm ever in yours!

I LOVE comfrey (and arnica and Aleve and wine and ice packs and ...)

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #147)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:07 PM

179. Do you know Roger Daly?

He's got a huge operation in Texas-
He's my sister's neighbor.
GREAT guy.

I wish I'd known about you earlier- my daughter
was in school in Chicago and I used to visit all the time!
Something tells me we'd have FUN hanging out with
"comfrey (and arnica and Aleve and wine and ice packs and ...)"
And the horses.
We'd have to invite Mopinko- she's wonderful and in Chicago.
She just sent me COOKIES!

I never got to meet her in person; too much stuff
going on with my daughter medically, but heck, I'd love to
come visit- I grew up in Indiana, so I love that part of the country.
Good peoples, the midwesterners.

BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:06 PM

85. I love those! But I couldn't find any prices at your link.

I know...if you have to ask....but those are great boots.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #85)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:36 PM

123. Actually- they very reasonably priced! Extremely well made and COMFORTABLE!

http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/minnetonka-fringed-tall-boot/3258809?cm_cat=datafeed&cm_ite=minnetonka_fringed_tall_boot:231508_1&cm_pla=shoes:women:boots&cm_ven=pricegrabber&mr:referralID=1783af13-331d-11e1-8a48-001b2166becc

There several online shoe outlets that offer them, but I found the best price at Nordstrom online.
Do a search and you'll find them all over the net-
BHN

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Response to BeHereNow (Reply #123)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 04:58 PM

189. You're right, pretty reasonable.

Very cute boots. Thanks!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:22 AM

22. Nearly all of my shoes are flat or nearly flat.

It isn't worth it, wearing heels every day. I stopoed wearing them in my late twenties.

Occasionally, I will wear high heels for a special occasion, but they leave my feet feeling crampy.

I guess having a pair of high heels is my last attempt to hold on to a piece of my youth.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:28 AM

25. The foot and leg problems high heels cause don't make them worth wearing, really.

I'm going to have to get used to wear flats and being my little, short self.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:28 AM

26. In Imperial China, young aristocratic girls had their feet wrapped, permanently deforming

them, rendering them permanently lame. All for the sake of misogynist directives of "beauty". I look at the stilettos and heels of the shoes and boots at Macy's and realize we're supposed to wrap our own feet.

I gave up heels more than a decade ago and let my feet naturally widen with age. And they feel wonderful.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:32 AM

28. Modern foot binding. And actually, wearing heels ends up making the feet uglier because

it compresses the foot and eventually one ends up with bunions and all kinds of nasty things.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:31 PM

165. I read in the NY Times a few years ago about a new crop of podiatric surgical clientele:

Women who went to foot surgeons, requesting that their feet be surgically alterred to fit their dainty shoes. I don't remember if these doctors accommodated their requests as I think I stopped reading at that point. Reminds me of the French version of Cinderella where the stepsisters take a knife to their toes and feet to vainly (literally and figuratively) try to get the glass slipper to fit them to get the prince as a husband.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #165)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:25 PM

168. You've got to be kidding! Cutting feet to look dainty? Things are getting uglier by the second. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #168)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:21 PM

173. I found the article for you. Nine years old.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/07/us/if-shoe-won-t-fit-fix-the-foot-popular-surgery-raises-concern.html?pagewanted=all


With vanity always in fashion and shoes reaching iconic cultural status, women are having parts of their toes lopped off to fit into the latest Manolo Blahniks or Jimmy Choos. Cheerful how-to stories about these operations have appeared in women's magazines and major newspapers and on television news programs.

But the stories rarely note the perils of the procedures. For the sake of better ''toe cleavage,'' as it is known to the fashion-conscious, women are risking permanent disability, according to many orthopedists and podiatrists.

''It's a scary trend,'' said Dr. Rock Positano, director of the nonoperative foot and ankle service at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan. Dr. Positano said that his waiting room is increasingly filled with women hobbled by failed cosmetic foot procedures, those done solely to improve the appearance of the foot or help patients fit into fashionable shoes.

More than half of the 175 members of the American Orthopaedic Foot & Ankle Society who responded to a recent survey by the group said that they had treated patients with problems resulting from cosmetic foot surgery. The society will soon issue a statement condemning the procedures, said Rich Cantrall, its executive director.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #173)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:10 PM

180. I wonder what this does for your balance.

Seems to me it would increase your fall risk when you're older and your balance is perhaps less certain.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:31 AM

27. My feet are living proof

of what bad shoes can do to women's bodies. Not just their feet.

Years ago I saw x-rays of my feet.

Oh. My. God.

The bones in my feet are shaped like
this: ~

Like a stretched-out "S".

My shoes eventually take the same "S" shape.

The arches are non-existent.

My left foot has arthritis near the heel.

My knees are painful and swollen and missing a significant amount of cartilage (if I bend them even a little bit while standing, anyone listening to them from six inches away can hear squishing and grinding).

I can't even wear shoes with a heel more than 1" high anymore, and the toe box must be rounded and very deep.

And in 2008 I had Plantar Fasciitis for four months straight. Let me tell you...it is one of the most painful things I've ever had besides an infected tooth. Worse than childbirth. Someone described it as "like walking on bloody stumps". That is putting it mildly. It is torture.

Some of the shoes young women wear these days absolutely horrify me, and I want to shake them and tell them they're setting themselves up for some bad things later in life.

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Response to pipi_k (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:38 AM

31. :(

You and I are plantar fasciitis sisters. I have it too. I limped around for about 6 months until my GP began doing prolotherapy on my foot. However, I didn't stop wearing heels, which is insane.

I agree. And fashion nowadays dictates hugely high shoes!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:27 AM

73. I know...I saw your post above

where you said you also had it.

So you know the pain involved.

I don't think there is a way to adequately describe it to anyone who has never experienced it.

I went the self-help route and bought one of those bootie things that pulls your toes up toward your head while you're sleeping, then wore a strap around my instep during the day to pull up on the fascia muscle, then did the stretching exercises and iced it for short periods.

It took a while, but eventually went away. I used to wear Crocs around the house, but now I don't wear shoes at all inside. Just two pairs of socks.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:34 AM

29. I wrecked my feet 40 years ago with high heeled shoes.

If I only knew then what I know now. The biggest problems I have at this point are a stubborn ingrown toenail and thick twisted toenails that only the podiatrist can cut. I don't have joint problems yet but I'm pretty sure arthritis will be an issue as I age.

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Response to Lugnut (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:41 AM

33. My GP told me that, that the toenails start getting thick, misshapen and weird

Yup, once the damage is done over a number of years, it's done.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:39 AM

32. I'd say EVERYONE's feet are a mess (thanks to shoes)...


(This picture was taken from a study published in 1905, in the American Journal of Orthopedic Surgery, showing the difference between a pair of feet of a native of the Philippines, who never wore shoes (Fig 1), and those of a Westerner, whose feet have been deformed by shoes (Fig 2/3).)

Don't get me wrong, women go through a special kind of hell wearing heels (among them, not listed in the article, is a shortening of the calf muscle and Achilles tendon from the raised heel...which can lead to a whole host of health problems, including weakened leg muscles and tendinitis), but every shoe in western culture is a mini-foot binder. Deformed feet is one thing, but shoes, with their dark/damp environment, are disease incubating factories. Their rigidity and "raised arches" also prevents your own arches from being the proper shock-absorbers and springs that they evolved over 100,000s of years to become (actually millions, when you include our more distant ancestors), and, along with weakening your arches, deny proper walking gait. Not to mention the undue stress that any raised heel (especially high-heels...but all shoes, including tennis shoes, have elevated heels) has on your knees/hips/back/etc...

The list goes on and on, and it's covered incredibly well in this book:

The Barefoot Book: 50 Great Reasons to Kick Off Your Shoes
http://www.amazon.com/Barefoot-Book-Great-Reasons-Shoes/dp/0897935543

It's a quick read, and highly recommended.

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Response to drokhole (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:43 AM

35. Those are some butt-ugly feet lol

I guess the fit of the shoe is very important.

I recently read that it's better to exercise WITHOUT sports shoes (barefoot), because sports and workout shoes are actually the opposite for the feet than they claim they are - they are damaging!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:02 AM

58. That's exactly right!

There's a growing "barefoot running" movement that has been going on:

http://barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/
http://www.barefoot-running.us/
http://www.barefoothikers.org/
http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/travel/escapes/22hike.html?pagewanted=all,

Which sometimes coincides with what is known as the "Paleo Diet", with both compromising the "Primal Movement":

The Primal Blueprint
http://www.amazon.com/Primal-Blueprint-Reprogram-effortless-boundless/dp/0982207700
(this book covers its basics and adds plenty of detail)

Mark's Daily Apple
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz1i28eDu7T
(website of the author of the book)

Anyway, I highly recommend the book from my original post, as it elaborates on your exact point (so does The Primal Blueprint, but that book is much more wide-ranging). Also, if you get a chance, this article is worth a read:

You Walk Wrong
http://nymag.com/health/features/46213/

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Response to drokhole (Reply #58)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:06 AM

62. Thanks for the websites! I put them on my calendar to view tonight.

I'd be a little scared to run barefoot, lest I get glass or a rusty nail in my foot tho.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #62)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:43 PM

117. Get yourself a pair of Vibrams. n/t

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Response to drokhole (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:30 PM

92. Makes me glad I wear sneakers

As a male in his mid twenties who has seldom worn formal shoes (partially owing to childhood and adolescant obesity), a cursory inspection of my feet reveal a level of deformation not anywear near that of what would result from wearing the formal shoes pictured above. Although there is some "abnormal" callousing on the little toe as a result of it sitting sideways for hours at a time as well as the big toe being turned in just ever so slightly, I would say that my feet bear a much closer resemblance to that of the Malay (I assume) example than of the European.

Chalk one up for comfortable shoes, I guess.

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Response to drokhole (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:46 PM

158. I read some articles on barefoot running a year back,

and have been replacing all my shoes with very light, very flat shoes. I figure it's the best way to protect myself from falls as I enter my senior years. (My mother had several broken bones from falls, and i tend to have at least one spectacular fall each winter, so I know I have to learn to be cautious!)

It's great when I'm wearing my flats, but now any kind of built up sole, even an athletic shoe, can be a real pain!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:42 AM

34. As a somewhat vertically-challenged man, I can't say I'm all that fond of high-heeled shoes either.

I've never minded a woman being taller than me, in fact I tend to gravitate towards taller women. But it irks me a little to know that there are some women, two or three inches shorter than me, who wouldn't even consider dating me because they would be taller than me in their heels.

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Response to dawg (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:47 AM

42. I'm guilty of trying to look taller. :( And you're right about a man's height. It's partly

because of women's shoes. Since fashion dictates, and women wear high heeled shoes to make their legs look longer, they end up TALLER and look for guys that are taller than they are in heels.

I'm 5 and 1/2 inch on a GOOD day! I always end up looking up at people. My solution was to declare war on my feet by wearing the highest heels ever. Now I have pain in my left foot. Well, right now it doesn't hurt, since I'm wearing flats today and get injections which apparently rebuild the cartilage and tissue. Still, I have all these GORGEOUS, high-heeled shoes in my closet...

I'm like a drug addict. I'll have to actually give them away and stay away from shoe stores if I am to get healthy feet again.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:01 AM

57. Maybe the 70's will come back, and then I'll be tall enough again.






No. Nevermind. Nothing is worth that.

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Response to dawg (Reply #57)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 08:09 PM

195. ew! Those are fugly! nt

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Response to dawg (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:48 AM

43. the taller the woman, the closer the motorboat

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Response to Bucky (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:59 AM

56. Ahem. Well, then you're just going to have to kneel more. And genuflect. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:45 AM

39. My feet are a good example

of what can happen. I wore heels, as high as I could get because I am short and I wanted to be fashionable. My mother suffered from terrible bunions and hammer toe and so did my grandmother who was (get this) not allowed out of her house without a dress, hose and heels. I hated the heels, they always hurt. When I started nursing school I felt so good in those shoes so from then on I decided to go on my own and sate my odd love of shoes with round and funky instead of the typical "fuck me" shoes. I have tons of odd and funky, clunky shoes with only a few dressier flats or very short wide heels. I no longer wear dresses either.

Bunions, bunionettes, hammer toes, painful feet. I wish I had come up in a family of women who were not archaic and cowardly in their belief systems and had one tiny bit of courage to stop being treated as chattel. My feet, not to mention my state of mind, would be so much healthier and their lives would have been so much better.

Pay heed, this is very important to your health.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:57 AM

52. It is! It feels good to be taller if one is short (I can reach cupboards better with heels on)

But it's not worth it.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:46 AM

41. This is why women always fall down when running from monsters & ax murderers in movies.

My feet are all messed up too, even tho I don't wear high heels.
As a 5'7" man, I am grateful to women who like to wear flats. I feel like if there were a monster or ax murderer running around, I'm less likely to have and stop to carry them away from the rampage.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:50 AM

46. Well, maybe you guys should encourage women to wear flats then!

Yes, it's virtually impossible to run in heels.

The most dumb-ass thing I ever saw was a pair of sports shoes with HEELS! That's downright idiotic.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:38 PM

116. Ummm... Is that the reason why men want women wearing high heels?

So they can catch them easier?

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Response to Bucky (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:36 PM

154. Or you could subscribe to the theory

that says you don't have to outrun the monster just the other people running from the monster.

Personally I think heels in general are ludicrous, but I can at least understand the moderate height with a wide heel. I'm a guy, but I basically wear either hiking boots, Doc Martens or sandals everywhere. My feet get plenty of abuse doing capoeira, I don't need to damage them by wearing uncomfortable shoes.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:48 AM

44. I love my feet

and was fortunate to have never liked heels... went barefoot for the first 20 years of my life and still do when I can... my feet are so wide (w/very high arch) that I have a very difficult time finding shoes

my daughter had a bilateral bunionectomy last fall, she had never worn heels, but somehow was cursed with bunions anyway... she can now run again without pain!!

being prepped


afterwards... took a couple of months to heal

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:54 AM

49. Thanks for the pics! Good encouragement to stop wearing those stilts we call women's shoes.

And flats are cute anyway.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:02 AM

59. These are lovely, BUT

You still need to check out the toe box. A narrow flat will give you bunions or that bumpy thing on the outside of your foot just as quickly as heels will. The key is to wear a shoe that actually conforms to the shape of your foot, not the other way around.

I have a pair of rather expensive Rockport (you think they'd know better, being from Maine) flats that just kill my bunions. I need to get rid of them. Size 9 ladies, let me know if you're interested.

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Response to lapislzi (Reply #59)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:07 AM

64. True. The front of the foot has to fit well, not act like a vise.

I'm currently looking for really cute dressy shoes with straps, which I understand will hold the foot better.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #64)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:19 AM

72. My mom was a dancer

She took almost a fanatical interest in dancers' footwear. (She'd probably be glued to DWTS if she were still alive...). She said in sandals and dress shoes, a t-strap combined with a wide low heel and wide toe box provide good arch support. You will never see a professional dancer dancing on stilettos. They wear those chunky heels for a reason.

Wish we could go back to the 80s and those darling Capezio kidskin jazz shoes. I had a pair in every color.

Oh, and this from my jazz dance teacher (a former Broadway dancer and choreographer): wherever you go, wherever you step, keep your KNEE OVER YOUR ARCH. Always.

Edited for additional words of wisdom.

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:37 PM

166. Bunions can be caused by short shoes. They don't have to be heels.

I kind of grew up in the shoe business. Saw lots of bunions. In just about every case I saw, the person (a few were men) wore shoes at least two sizes too small.

Your daughter may not fit this pattern. It's also been a long time since I measured feet.

--imm

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:53 AM

48. There was an anthropologist in the 70's...



...who, while commenting on the nature of the culture, suggested that "high heels" were clearly a device for attracting the attention of the males for procreation purposes. Raising the heels, among other things, thrusts out the buttocks thereby signifing a willingness to 'mate'. That they serve no other functional purpose as footwear, makes this plausible.

Of course, in the 'gay seventies' they even produced 'high heels' for men, at a time in my life when I needed new shoes and they covered the shelves. So, I bought a pair, looked tres fashionable' for an evening, even danced a bit, and then put them away forever.

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Response to CanSocDem (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:55 AM

51. Put them away forever? Good! lol

Well, maybe the anthropologist thought the buttocks aren't pronounced when a woman wear flats, but the fact is, buttocks are pronounced no matter what, unless one has a 'skillet butt.'

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:59 AM

54. I have a couple of pairs that I wear a couple of times a year.

I'm mostly in low boots, hiking boots, sneakers, and flats. When I got married last year I wore a very sensible low heel that was stunning...cause there was no way I wasn't dancing.

When you factor in the odds for osteoporosis for us older ladies, the wearing o' the heels makes less and less sense.

And the only people I am interested in "pleasing" are me, and my husband who seems to like me best in fuzzy slippers.

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Response to lapislzi (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:55 AM

79. Fuzzy and with Tweety Bird? :) So nice to have a guy that likes fuzzy slippers rather than

stillettos!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:59 AM

55. I gave away my high heels after a car wreck eighteen years ago

I wish I could still wear them, but it's not going to happen. High heels and a lasting lower back injury do not mix. I'm the woman you'll see drooling over the gorgeous heels in Nordstrom's shoe department.

My "dress shoes" are flats.

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Response to Missy Vixen (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:05 AM

60. Well, I'll be drooling soon too, since I'm switching to cute flats. Oh, by the way...

I read that flats have to be well-fitted or they, too, cause problems. If your foot flops in and out of them, they're not well-fitted. The easiest way to get around making sure flats are well-fitted is to make sure they have straps. That way the foot doesn't flop in and out. The rationale behind this is that if the foot is slipping in and out, the front of the foot is constantly trying to 'grasp' the shoe, which creates a problem at the front of the foot.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #60)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:38 AM

74. It also warps your toenails.

Mary Janes have been my fascination for a while now. There are so many different ways you can find them. I am saving for a pair of them that are hand painted with peace signs .

I have a wide foot, high instep and little in the way of an arch. All made worse over the years with my choice of heels. Nobody has ever said anything about how odd my shoes may be in the world of pointy toe stilettos. They always comment about how cute they are but they are different. Spend the time and you can find such awesome flats or shoes with small heels that are unique and make you seem to have such an individual style.

The best way to be comfortable is to be individual and happy with yourself and the way you look and dress and feel, oh so free and comfortable. I have found what used to be called odd is no longer looked down upon. (thankfully )

Thank you again for this thread and the others Sarah!

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #74)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:38 PM

94. Ooooh...Mary Janes!!!

I have two pairs of "Drew Bloom II" Mary Janes.

They are so comfortable! Two layers of foot supports that are removable for putting in your own supports if you want.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #74)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:48 PM

119. Have you tried European shoes?

I don't buy shoes often, so I'm willing to spend more. Since I rarely wore heels when I was young and don't wear them at all now, the shoes made on Asian lasts just aren't happening for my feet, but the European shoes do nicely.

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Response to gkhouston (Reply #119)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:16 PM

121. Something I will def check out.

Any websites you would like to share? I don't buy as many as I used to so I too and willing to spend more than I have in the past.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #121)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:48 PM

127. I usually buy mine in person, although Zappos probably carries them.

I'm fond of Ecco, myself, but YMMV.

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Response to gkhouston (Reply #127)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:27 PM

146. Oooh ECCO!

I had a pair of those years ago and they were excellent. MaryJanes, a delightful blue and I wore them out and still wore them. I don't live in a place that has much to choose from but when I get away from here I will look and I will check Zappos. Thank you.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:05 AM

61. I wore heels many years ago

I am at home most of the time so my main shoes are tennis shoes. I only have a couple of pairs of nice flats. I have neuropathy in my feet so I am very protective of them.

Years ago, when I taught middle school the taller my students got, the higher my heels got. I could even run in them. No more. LOL I would kill myself.

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Response to Irishonly (Reply #61)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:12 AM

68. Run in heels? That's more dangerous than running with scissors, imo! ~lol.

I work at home & my main shoes are my Acorn slippers. The post above, about moccasins, though, I'm going to check them out. I had a pair when I was a kid & they were uber comfy.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #68)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:07 PM

142. Moccasins are looking good

I was young and foolish 30+ years ago. I wear slippers a lot also. I walk about five miles a day so I need the tennis/walking shoes.

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Response to Irishonly (Reply #61)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:53 AM

78. My mom has diabetic neuropathy and has bought herself some really cool flats. She won't look

at high heels now.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #78)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:05 PM

141. Smart mom

My neuropathy came before the diabetes-go figure. I take good care of my feet and everything I wear is flat. I love looking at the heels but I have no desire to break my neck or hurt my foot and not know it.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:06 AM

63. "Bunionette"

Sounds like something tasty to eat. Not so much. Also known as a "Tailor's Bunion," it's an inflammation of the fifth metatarsal...basically a bunion at the base of your little toe. I have one and it hurts like hell. The culprit? Believe it or not, bad FLATS that press down on the outside of my foot. I have to be very careful with where the openings fall when choosing flats. Any pressure on my baby toe and I'll be in tears.

Here's to wearing flip-flops for 11 months, and fuzzy slippers for the rest.

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Response to lapislzi (Reply #63)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:11 AM

67. LOL! Stop that. ew

Oh, btw, beware of flip flops. Your two toes have to do all the work for the foot. LOL! It's a whole science, footwear.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:13 AM

69. High heeled shoes are nothing more than a more sophisticated form of foot binding.

You can see the deformation in the foot of any woman who's been accustomed to wear high heeled shoes without X-rays; the big toe normally isn't partly turned inward to press against the second toe, for instance. THIS is what high heels do:

And the image in the left is of a "normal" foot:

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #69)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:52 AM

76. Pretty awful. Maybe if women saw these pictures, they'd think about it twice & burn their magazines

and their high heeled shoes.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:18 AM

71. Dating a nice, handsome man shorter than 5'11" ...

just might give you ladies the good excuse you need in order to finally put away these oppressive abominations.

Just a thought.

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Response to dawg (Reply #71)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:50 AM

75. There ya go! We need some encouragement here. Wearing flats is healthy and makes available

lots more guys for us!

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Response to dawg (Reply #71)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:32 PM

131. Being short

has been an advantage for me. In high school there were lots of really good looking short guys the taller girls wouldn't date. I only dated someone taller than 5'7" tall once or twice. It gave me a neck ache. My husband is about 5' 6".

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Response to dawg (Reply #71)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:14 PM

182. Worked for me!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:52 AM

77. I think high heels look ridiculous. They're an accident waiting to happen.

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Response to qb (Reply #77)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:58 AM

80. I saw a lady at a coffee shop the other day who was slightly heavy wearing huuugely high heels.

She took a slip and luckily she just slid about 5 feet and was able to grab a counter and steady herself before crashing into a table. My heart nearly popped out of my chest.

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Response to qb (Reply #77)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:02 PM

81. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!

I've never understood the concept that high heels look sexy. Perhaps it's some optical illusion that I'm seeing through and thus don't notice it, but to me they look absurd and silly.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:03 PM

82. Daily footwear for me: New Balance sneakers, Danskos, or Ariat riding boots

All of them comfy, all of them lovely to put on from the first day out of the box. At least my job allows me to wear the comfiest footwear on the planet, daily. I am cursed with a hammer toe and bunions from birth so I've never been comfortable in heels - even for short times when I dress up to go out. I've veered away from them instinctively from the start. I don't own any at all now.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #82)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:21 PM

88. Ariat riding boots

are the best! Expensive. I never had any until I found a pair on sale. I love them.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #88)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:47 PM

99. I've found that you get what you pay for. In the long run, the money's worth it, they last forever

My two pairs of Danskos are at least 5 and 7 years old. The Ariats get a lot of abuse and even those last for at least 2 years. New Balance sneakers are absolutely the best footwear for daily walking, walking, walking if you ask me and they hold up to the weather, mud and footstomping (LOL - ouch!)

I used to buy the cheap stuff but learned the hard, painful way that my feet hurt, my back hurts, my legs hurt if I try to cut corners. I love the shoes I have because they are/were comfortable immediately upon purchase. Besides, the cheap products just don't last.

Talk about expensive, my husband does most of the competing for our farm - his tall Dehner boots are custom made and cost $800. But they are now 10 years old and while the slumping around the ankles is just starting to get noticeable, I think we'll get at least another year out of them! That means his "work" boots averaged less than $80/year.

You absolutely get what you pay for.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #99)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:32 PM

113. My husband has learned that when his back or knees start to hurt,

it's time for new work boots or at least for getting the old work boots re-soled!

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #82)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:50 PM

100. Shoes for Crews

Comfortable and safe (nonslip soles)

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #82)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:33 PM

132. Love Ariats!

I have two pair and they are so comfortable. Nice roomy toe box.

I work from home so bare feet are my norm. But, when I go out I wear my Ariats more often than not.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:05 PM

84. Foot pain is a pain

I am not really that old, but I have developed this nerve problem in my right foot called a neuroma. I think it is related to being hard on them, also a bit hereditary. Anyways, it is extremely bothersome. I may have to have surgery in the future. Take care of your feet!

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #84)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:26 PM

90. That sounds like a nerve problem. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #90)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:38 PM

124. Its apparently caused by mechanical damage to the nerves

near or around the toes. Can be associated with shoe problems. Thats my understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroma

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:07 PM

86. I've wondered why high heels are worn in porn flicks,

even after everything else is off. I'm sure it's all about the symbolism of submission.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #86)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:25 PM

89. I wonder that sometimes. We'll have to ask guys if heels are a sign of submission. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #89)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:38 PM

96. High heels tighten the calf muscles and the buttocks.

That's why. Uff da! How silly.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #96)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:41 PM

97. Walking on tiptoes is also a sign of autism. So there! :) nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #97)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:20 PM

104. I shall make no comment, I think.

It's so easy to get in big trouble...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #96)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:43 PM

98. And make the hips sway. n/t

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #98)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:19 PM

103. Actually, that's a result of walking abnormally by placing one

foot directly in front of the other as you walk, rather than making a pair of tracks. Runway models, along with some others, take that even further, and step past the line of the other foot when walking, to accentuate the abnormal hip movement. This walking technique is taught and is very unnatural.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:28 PM

91. IMHO high heels are a first cousin to footbinding.

You won't catch me in anything higher than 2", and then only rarely.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:52 PM

101. Just thought of something...

For those of us here old enough...what about those insane platform shoes we used to wear back in the 70s?

The ones that were nothing more than clogs with soles four or more inches thick.

I nearly broke my ankle after falling off one of my shoes back in 1978

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Response to pipi_k (Reply #101)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 12:59 PM

102. Those are dangerous because it's like walking on stilts

Look at these ugly and unbelievably expensive shoes -

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #102)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:46 PM

126. these take the cake for fugly!

i haven't worn heels for many many years. the only exception would be a job interview or a wedding, and even then the heel wouldn't be more than 1.5 inches high. comfort counts way over style to me!

that's not to say i don't like shoes, lol. i have a LOT of shoes, it's just that they are all flat.

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Response to shanti (Reply #126)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:22 PM

130. That's what they should be called Fugli Shoes lol

All flat shoes is good.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #102)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:11 PM

143. THAT is a shoe?

Looks like a torture device imo.

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Response to Rex (Reply #143)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:36 PM

152. They're shoes and they're incredibly expensive, too. Nasty, ugly things. nt

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Response to Rex (Reply #143)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:46 PM

167. Looks like a good way to break an ankle. n/t

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #102)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:47 PM

159. Are those really meant to be worn?

I love the art of them, not as shoes but the shape and design. Really, are these meant to be worn in anything more than an art show? YIKES! I bet the poor things walking in them walk in a very odd way, like a horse?

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #159)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:50 PM

160. Yup. They're Alexander McQueen shoes (had to be a guy designer lol) and cost thousands! nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #160)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:09 PM

162. I don't think I would ever even want to sit in them.

Yes, the guy designers. Actually the whole lot of designers need to refocus. If they want to do art that is cool but if they want to sell to women you would think they would try to not actually create a style and demand that will disfigure us. Well.....one would think

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #162)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:27 PM

170. They don't have to wear them, so they're fine with designing unwearable things. :( nt

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #159)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:28 PM

171. lady gaga

wears them a lot in photos. i think she has walking helpers though, lol.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #164)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:26 PM

169. Okay, yes, those win! nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #102)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:11 PM

181. OMG I think those

are probably even worse than the platforms!

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Response to pipi_k (Reply #101)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:28 PM

111. I remember, I loved those shoes.

We had a store called The Wild Pair in our local mall that was like a religious experience for me and my friends. Funky platform shoes were all the rage.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #111)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:38 PM

156. How do you walk in those things?

Do the toes actually touch or are you more or less walking inside the shoe and not so much with your feet? They look painful.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:23 PM

107. The only time I wear high heels -

 

weddings and funerals.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:23 PM

108. Cruel shoes

Anna knew She had to have a new pair of shoes today, and Carlo had helped her try on every pair in the store. Carlo spoke wearily, "Well, that's it. That’s every pair of shoes in the place."
"Oh, you must have one more pair. . . .”
"No, not one more . . . . Well, we have the cruel shoes, but no one would want to try . . .
“Yes, let me see the cruel shoes!"
"No, you don't understand, you see, the cruel shoes are . . .'
"Get them!"
Carlo disappeared into the back room for a moment, and then reappeared carrying an ordi­nary shoebox. He took off the lid and re­moved a hideous pair of black and white pumps. But this was not an ordinary pair of black and white pumps; both were left feet, one had a right angle turn with sepa­rate compartments that pointed the toes in impossible directions. The other shoe was six inches long and was curved inward like a rocking chair with a vise and razor blades to hold the foot in place.
Carlo spoke hesitantly, ". . . Now you see . . . they' re not fit for humans . . ." "Put them on me."
"But... "Put them on me!"
Carlo knew all arguments were useless. He knelt down before her and forced the feet into the shoes.
The screams were incredible.
Anna crawled over to the mirror and held her bloody feet up where she could see.
"I like them."
She paid Carlo and crawled out of the store into the street.
Later that day, Carlo was overheard saying to a new customer, "Well, that's it. That’s every pair of shoes in the place. Unless, of course, you'd like to try the cruel shoes."

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #108)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:34 PM

151. LOL! Cute. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #151)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:00 PM

175. Steve Martin. eom

n/t

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:30 PM

112. I've been stocking up on cute flats this year - it's wonderful

to find something other than a plain Mary Jane!

Now - if only someone would make a shoe for women with wide insteps and narrow heels!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #112)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:33 PM

149. There are lots of cute and sexy flats around now! nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:33 PM

114. I will NOT wear any heels

I got knee and back problems from hell, not heel related. But I am not going to add to them.

And it is a good thing. When I need to go run and chase after stories.... I CAN.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #114)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:57 PM

140. Good for you, Nadin. Flats it is for me too in 2012. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:40 PM

125. The fastest growing Medical speciality in NYC is podiatry. People destroy their feet.

Most women here are smart enough to walk around in sneakers and change only when they have to but it still plays havoc with ones feet.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #125)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:55 PM

135. That's interesting that podiatry is such a busy medical practice. Thanks. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 02:52 PM

128. We were 'requested' to wear high heels at a lounge I worked at

for about a year. I can still remember the burning pain, and staying up hours after I got home trying to stop it enough to sleep. I think the weight of the trays and running steady for 8 hours at a time with them on, would have ruined my feet if I hadn't quit when I did. Having never worn heals before except for weddings, it was pure torture and hell.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #128)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:34 PM

133. I remember going to Reno at least 25 years ago now

and was in the ladies room when a server came in. I complimented her for wearing flats because every other woman worker in every casino was packing heavy trays of drinks around in their stilletos. She said she got all kinds of flack for wearing the flats but that they couldn't do anything to her.

I used to wear the damn things when I was younger too, I remember that pain. Now I can't wear anything other than runners. Makes quite a fashion statement for weddings.

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Response to arikara (Reply #133)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:57 PM

139. I went to a wedding a few months ago where the *bride* was wearing a dressy pair of Tom's sneakers.

They looked fabulous and her feet didn't bother her. Actually, I wore simple flats when I got married, although my best friend wore heels and my favorite picture of the whole day is her, sitting on a bench, with that Ahhhh! look on her face as she removes her shoes.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:55 PM

136. the reality show 'what not to wear" always makes over the woman into high high heels

I've noticed that the media pushes the idea that a woman needs to wear high heels to be truly dressed - professionally or for a night on the town.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #136)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 03:56 PM

137. It does. That's the major problem in all this. The standard they set is one of women on stilts. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:23 PM

145. If women *need* to be taller, they can always tease their hair high. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #145)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:32 PM

148. ahaha! Beehive style?

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Response to valerief (Reply #145)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:34 PM

150. Big hair, big fun. n/t

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Response to valerief (Reply #145)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 06:29 PM

172. the bigger the hair, the closer to god

or something like that! hee!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:36 PM

153. Your doctor is correct.

I would show you a picture of my Medusa Toes, but you would turn to stone if you saw them.

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Response to aquart (Reply #153)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:38 PM

155. LOL! Medusa toes? ::shudder:: I'd better rush out and get those flats right now! nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #155)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 05:20 PM

163. Yes.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 08:44 PM

174. Anybody ever tried these?

http://www.nomadicstateofmind.com/store/jc-sandal-camel.html

I bought something I think is identical to these years ago at a local fair. They feel just like walking barefoot!

I haven't worn them for a long while, but may pull them out again.

I went through a period of my calves and arches aching so bad... after trying many iterations of insoles, I finally went to Good Feet and ponied up the $$$ for their inserts and was sold!!! Within days I had relief. And I have worn their insoles in every pair of shoes since! Probably for around six or seven years.

Until!... I discovered these work boots: http://www.magnumboots.com/us/boots/work-safety/187/precision-ultra-lite-wpi-ct/

By far, the best work boots I've ever had! And they don't require the insoles. And now I wonder if the Good Feet insoles corrected whatever had been ailing me and I can now wear other shoes without the aching legs and arches.

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Response to blaze (Reply #174)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:33 PM

177. Whoa, those are wondeful, and modestly priced. I will check 'em out.

I also have a very similar pair of boots to what you have.

I really really prefer walking barefoot!

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #177)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:43 PM

178. If you prefer walking barefoot

you'll love the rope sandals. One puddle and your feet are soaking wet!!

Just pulled mine out of the closet...

Go for it!!! I think you'll like 'em.

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Response to blaze (Reply #174)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:30 PM

185. Those rope shoes would look hella cute with a little nail polish and all

I have a pair of hiking boots that look like those work boots, but they came with some insoles that I forgot what they were for - I think to absorb sweat, maybe? A steel rod could fall on those and the feet would be protected.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:29 PM

176. OMG, that's horrible. I spent my entire childhood barefoot 80-90% of the time.

As I got older I was forced to start wearing shoes, which of course were my brothers hand-me-downs, and they did OK, always at least a size or so two big. To this day I buy shoes that are a size or so too big. And it's not to say "Look, I got a big foot!" they're just dang uncomfortable!

I really really don't understand heels. I really encourage my mom or any of my gal friends to wear tennis shoes whenever we go out. Especially if they're in a dress when you can't even see the heels! I assume that some women like to show off their shoes (and I have discovered that complimenting shoes is a nice gesture), so why wear 'em with a dress when you can't see them!

Though over the holidays I did get back 'in' to suits and have worn a suit about 4 days the past few weeks, it does feel nice feeling spiffy and educated and whatnot (I'm a jeans, boots, and t-shirt kinda guy). If only I had a fedora...

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #176)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:26 PM

184. It's nice to hear that you encourage women to wear comfy shoes

Here's what I think though - I have a feeling that most men would do that, but that when all is said and done, if a woman with 6" heels walked by, their tongues would hang out and require rolling back up.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #184)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:30 PM

186. Well that's just more reason not to wear 'em.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #186)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:31 PM

187. Ha. :) nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 10:14 PM

183. Why listen to men? Or doctors? LOL

Women who choose to wear 4-6 inch heels deserve whatever happens.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:21 AM

188. I'm a 52 yr old woman with a neuroma in one foot and

plantar fasciitis in the other. I know a lot of women my age with similar issues. The neuroma is by far the worst. They say it's from narrow toe boxes that scrunch your toes together, thus pinching the nerve between the metatarsal bones. Most shoes are too narrow through the toe for me, yet rest of my foot swims in wide shoes. Women's shoes are made with utter disregard to the real shape of a woman's foot. How many women do you know with feet that end in a point?

Hey shoe manufacturers....we have little toes, it would be really nice if you could accommodate them!

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Response to OnionPatch (Reply #188)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:01 PM

190. It's too bad shoe manufacturers don't care a rat's ass about biology and anatomy.

It's only the bottom line they care about, and that involves making shoes as cheaply as possible - no experts in podiatry required. And now that they're all made in China, I'm sure now shoes are even designed worse.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:48 PM

193. My sister got stilettos for her birthday

My mom got them for her. I suppose for going out clubbing and hanging with her girlfriends. Astonished at the height of them and what they might do to her feet I did some research to hopefully educate her and maybe cause her to reconsider. Much as you point out I was shocked at just how much a womans bones in her feet deviate from their normal position. There is a good before and after x-ray image out there with the same foot (bare) then in high heels and the x-ray didn't even look like the same species. My sister wasn't dettered though. I am glad however that my girlfriend takes really good care of her feet, only dress flats, and shoes with arch support.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #193)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 08:07 PM

194. Yup! I think that x-ray showing the foot inside the high heel, is here

Be very scared - this is what high heels do to feet...

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