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Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:56 PM

Philadelphia Mayor Apparently Wants Occupy National Gathering Participants to Go Thirsty in Heat

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Philadelphia Mayor Wants Occupy National Gathering Participants to Go Thirsty in Heat

By: Kevin Gosztola Sunday July 1, 2012 4:26 pm

Record-breaking heat has been sweeping the United States. The Occupy movement is holding a major National Gathering in Philadelphia right now, where the temperature has reached ninety-five degrees Fahrenheit. Anyone spending hours out in this weather needs to drink water so as not to pass out from heat exhaustion. But Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, a Democrat, has issued orders instructing city departments and other organizations in the city to not give water to occupiers.

Occupiers intended to be able to get water from a fire station nearby where the Gathering has been taking place (right downtown around Independence Mall). When occupiers went to get water for participants who would be at today’s activities, a firefighter said the department could not give occupiers water. A direct order had been given from Nutter to not provide water to occupiers.

A person who is out in heat for a long period can get an illness. In extreme cases, people can die. The most serious illness, according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), is heat stroke. One of the factors that can contribute to the cause of these heat-induced illnesses is “low liquid intake” or lack of water. It is highly encouraged that people drink water “every fifteen minutes.”

This order is a clear example of repression. A Democratic mayor does not want to be seen as encouraging the Occupy movement. He would like to make sure none of his precious campaign donors in the city get wind of city employees like firefighters helping people stay well throughout the Gathering. Ordering firefighters to not give out water may keep the numbers low. Having police not let people have water to distribute can keep numbers low, too. The mayor would rather have occupiers pass out and go to the hospital with serious heat illnesses than risk being seen as too sympathetic to this movement for economic equality and justice.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:58 PM

1. Damn Republicans just have no soul...

I bet they'd let a Tea Party gathering have all the water they want..

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:01 PM

2. Democratic mayors are behind some of the worst violence against Occupy so it's equal opportunity.

 

Quan in Oakland...Seattle, Denver, LA...

The system doesn't like being challenged.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:14 PM

11. Don't forget Rahm in Chicago.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:27 PM

15. I try to ;)

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:51 PM

24. It's as if they think they'll lose to the 'Pugs

if they don't out-thug Daley in '68.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:02 PM

3. It's a Democratic mayor who issued the order. . .

As Nikolai Gogol might point out, there are "Dead Souls" enough for all . . .

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:24 PM

14. Gogol's "dead souls"

From Wiki:

In the Russian Empire, before the emancipation of the serfs in 1861, landowners were entitled to own serfs to farm their land. Serfs were for most purposes considered the property of the landowner, and could be bought, sold or mortgaged, as any other chattel. To count serfs (and people in general), the measure word "soul" was used: e.g., "six souls of serfs". The plot of the novel relies on "dead souls" (i.e., "dead serfs") which are still accounted for in property registers. On another level, the title refers to the "dead souls" of Gogol's characters, all of which visualise different aspects of poshlost (an untranslatable Russian word which is perhaps best rendered as "self-satisfied inferiority", moral and spiritual, with overtones of middle-class pretentiousness, fake significance and philistinism).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Souls

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:04 PM

6. You did see that this was a Democrat, right?

And who organizes a gathering in sweltering heat with planning to provide water?

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:43 PM

17. Eh, we vote for Democrats because they don't do things like this..

Ergo it had to be a Republican..



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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:56 PM

25. Someone who assumes that a municipal government run by the Democratic Party

could be trusted to have humane, civilized values.

Instead, this Philly mayor is honoring the memory of one his more, er, memorable predecessors:



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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #25)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:23 PM

31. Or someone with a well nigh overwhelming urge to snark..

Which often does come off sounding a bit naive/ignorant if taken literally.

But thank you for trying to think the best of me..





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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:36 PM

40. Point taken.

Still, I wasn't actually replying to you on that post.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #25)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:25 PM

32. The Occupiers are not stupid and not naive

They know, or should know, that few municipal governments, regardless of party, are going to do anything to help them or make their lives easier. This point was demonstrated time and time again last year and earlier this year.

Assuming that any mayor, unless he or she has publicly stated support for the movement, is going to do anything to help them, including keeping them hydrated in scorching weather, is not smart, IMO.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:26 PM

59. It does reveal the depth to which they will all sink in order to attempt to hurt the movement.

 

Denying basic general public services to people in an area now under heat death advisory? That's going to win friends and influence people. It goes to show who owns what...and it's not we, the people. Time to take it all back.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #59)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:17 PM

115. "basic general public services"?

 

Is the City responsible for providing water and air conditioning to people who made no effort to provide for themselves?

Here in Tucson we never go anywhere without water and some kind of sun-protection.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #115)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:47 PM

153. "Let them die" is a Libertarian position. I'm not getting this at all.

 

Are we not responsible for our brother and sister's well-being? Do we not act when someone is in dire need?

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #153)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:59 PM

166. Stop. Just stop. n/t

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:10 PM

220. Don't forget Wilson Goode, Dem and Philly Mayor in 1985 when

 

the Philly PD firebombed MOVE headquarters and killed 11 terrorists disguised as women and children.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:10 PM

19. Philadelphia's mayor is a Democrat

Nutter has swings that defy explanation at times. There are lots of us who voted for him because WE had no other choice. A Repig would have been out of the question.

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Response to madashelltoo (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:18 PM

21. I read the OP, was being snarky..

Should know better by now.



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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:03 PM

4. What is the link?

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:05 PM

8. Fixed.

Thanks!

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:38 PM

16. Thank you. You know, the problem with coordinating crowd control

at the Federal level is that each stop is a heads up for the next one.

Hoover would be proud of this.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:05 PM

9. Philadelphia Mayor Wants Occupy National Gathering Participants to Go Thirsty in Heat

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:03 PM

5. Utterly ignoring the area's revolutionary history.

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:04 PM

7. He's a zero...

Unbelievable...we knew this after the primary but nothing we could do.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:12 PM

10. Nutter is only a Democrat because everyone here is a Democrat.

 

There is practically no Republican Party to speak of in this city. Nutter is a right wing asshole. Anti-Union, anti-public education, anti-anything good for the People. He's a piece of shit and I hate that he is my Mayor. The party machine is so strong here that almost nothing can be done to break it open. I ran for committeeman here a few years ago and they even rigged that election for the incumbent. We're so screwed here locally. The only good thing is that the city will vote 90% for Obama in November.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:16 PM

12. I have read a lot about 'Nutter' even before OWS

none of it good.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:34 PM

22. Then you remember,

That the first thing he did when elected mayor was to threaten to close the city libraries and pools. For all the idiots we've had his mayor over the years, none have been so anti-populist as this "gentleman".

He has been an absolute zero in terms of his ability to work with business interests, people, the professionals, and even his own staff. So naturally, he is the first mayor in my memory to run fundamentally unopposed for reelection. It was unbelievable that no one and I mean no one, challenged him in any way, shape, or form. He makes ourformer mayor, the incompetent W Wilson Goode seem like Teddy Roosevelt by comparison. Mayor Goode by the way was the mayor who dropped the bomb on the MOVE headquarters back in the 80s thoughts igniting an entire neighborhood because the people who inhabited the building we're guilty of public disruption and dirty habits. Oh yes, and noise: they made a lot of noise. So this guy figured the best thing to do would be to drop the device on to their home and blow it up. Well, things as many of us recall, did not work out so well. Of course the mayor was reelected in a landslide.

Great town this one.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:25 PM

33. The MOVE bomb makes Goode much worse in my book

In fact, I think that puts Goode right in the same ballpark as Frank Rizzo.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:37 AM

82. Philly politics have always been ugly.

 

Corrupt, sordid, murderous, ridiculous.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:24 AM

90. +1

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:39 PM

41. When republicans cant get elected in democrat dominated areas...

They need only to call themselves a democrat, and you will find enough clueless democrats that will, believing it's the safe thing to do, vote for democrats no matter what. Unfortunately, this is how good people vote into power, evil predators like Adolf Hitler, and all they have to do is call themselves a democrat.

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Response to Larry Ogg (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:27 AM

81. Yes. In this bizzarro world I'm considering running as a Republican.

 

On a true Democratic platform. So crazy it might work.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #81)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 09:35 AM

85. In reading your comment, and then your sig line...,

"If we must do evil to prevent evil there is nothing worth saving."

I am reminded as to why there are so few honest people in government.

Honest people have a conscience, and that makes it difficult for them to conceal their true motives, not only from the voters, but more importantly, from the big money predators who finance the campaigns of crony con-artist.

And honest people need not apply; the game is most certainly rigged in the favor of the bad guys.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:20 PM

13. On the positive side, Chris Hedges has been speaking :)

 

Search Twitter for #NatGat

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:00 PM

208. And there are such things as bottled water for the time being.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:49 PM

18. "He would like to make sure none of his precious campaign donors"

He doesn't need any "donors". He is a lame duck.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:12 PM

20. Well the lawsuit should be fun

what is next? EMS cannot respond on a heat stroke call?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:57 PM

26. asked about denying water to the protesters in dangerously oppressive heat: "Just following orders."

 

OWS Week
Casseroles Solidarity March about to leave Franklin Square in Philadelphia. Philly Fire Chief's response when asked about denying water to the protesters in dangerously oppressive heat: "Just following orders."

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=403972222982051&set=a.332383203474287.74901.314960565216551&type=1&theater

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:09 PM

27. The Occupiers are pretty naive to depend on the Establishment to support them.

They should have foreseen this and arranged independent sources. Hindsight is 20/20 I know, but I can't fault the PTB for taking advantage of the weather to diminish Occupy's impact. It's just good tactics.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:34 PM

39. Do we know that they didn't?

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:59 PM

50. What are you implying?

That the City of Philadelphia agreed to provide logistical support to Occupy and then broke it's agreement? Do you know that happened?

I didn't see that in the info provided, but it's possible, I guess. Is the city providing free water for others as a matter of policy, and discriminating against Occupy?

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #50)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:10 PM

55. It's the proactive refusal that bothers most people, I think.

Not the most humane way to handle a protest....

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #50)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:14 PM

58. Do you know what Occupy planned?

And now the city's EMS have been in the awkward position of denying water to the public in a heat wave.

That's not good unless they want to drum up business.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #58)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:07 AM

69. I have no idea - do you?

Occupy's failure to publicize and organize this Fourth of July to-do was pretty disappointing to me. I had high hopes last Fall, but they seem to have squandered their momentum. They remind me a little of the various Tea Party entities post-2010 when the Koch's stopped supporting them (so much) and they turned on each other.

They did succeed in raising the public consciousness towards income inequality, but I don't see them as having a viable Second Act at this time. A Republican sweep of the Presidency and legislatures would empower them, of course, but I'm not rooting for that to happen, obviously.

As for Philly's EMS, I'm sure they will hydrate anyone in dire need, but it is Occupy's responsibility to provide it's own logistical support, not the city's. Those are the kinds of tasks that build capability and experience for an organization. They need to demonstrate self sufficiency and competance before they can solve the rest of our problems.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #69)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:22 AM

71. Well, I've watched dozens of these big protests and the only time

they lacked for water was when their stuff was confiscated or when the police disrupted the supply line somehow. If you deny them the use of water, you effectively end the protest, right? It's too soon to call them incompetent because we don't have enough information.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #71)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:45 AM

74. And that's their problem.

They thought they have a right to the city water supply, which the city gets and pays for the same as the citizenry. By that logic they should depend on the city to feed and house them as well. I'm not calling them incompetent, but I will stand by my accusation of naivety. It's hard to grow a grass roots organization without any hierarchy - they'll have to invent some new ways of doing things.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #74)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:08 AM

75. No, that's your assumption which as far as we know hasn't been verified.

As far as assuming access to the city's emergency services, that is likely the law.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #75)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:29 AM

77. What assumption?

This was a planned (poorly) event, not a scheduled emergency. An adequate supply of water, including anticipating for summer weather, was not the responsibility of the city EMS. They showed up, demanded water from the city, and then say they're being repressed when the city fails to oblige. Just go to Wawa and buy some water.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #77)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:35 AM

78. You are assuming Occupy didn't have its own water supply.

You don't know that is true. Historically, it's highly unlikely.

And yes, assisting people in trouble from the heat is most definitely the province of EMS.

You don't have enough information to make faces, lol. But go right ahead, if it makes you happy.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #78)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:07 AM

105. It's sad that in this day of global mass media it is certain

 

that there is some kid in sub-saharan Africa watching this and thinking "how fucking stupid are Americans? How are you guys rich and I'm poor? You can't even figure out that you should drink water when it's hot out?"

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #78)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:20 AM

108. It's pretty clear from the linked article that they didn't plan on having their own water supply

Occupiers intended to be able to get water from a fire station nearby where the Gathering has been taking place (right downtown around Independence Mall). When occupiers went to get water for participants who would be at today’s activities, a firefighter said the department could not give occupiers water. A direct order had been given from Nutter to not provide water to occupiers.


The use of "would be" makes it clear that they went to get water not for people that were already there and in need of water at that moment, but rather they went there to stock up for anticpated attendees. Why would they do that if they had planned to supply their own water?

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #108)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:29 PM

127. I don't know. I asked Kevin Gosztola and @tigerbeat

but they are involved with the situation ongoing and I still don't get it. At one point, someone reported the Quakers negotiated with the city and water was turned on somewhere. Or, not. LOL.

But this is a five day event and these people plan everything. Matt Taibbi is speaking right now. The plan was not "trust the city". I just haven't been able to figure out what it was / is.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #74)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:10 AM

79. Precisely.

It's not a secret that the weather has been very hot lately. Someone planning this exercise would have taken that into consideration.

If, say, a union was overseeing that protest, there would have been tons of advance publicity, there would be clear, readable signs for the protesters, a schedule of events promulgated by organizational people who ensured the protest got started on time, people to keep the rest of the group moving, people going from group to group passing out free ice cold plastic bottles of water, and other people going from group to group taking the empties and recycling them so the group didn't leave a mess for the city to deal with.

There would be no need to go to a fire station and say "Give me water."

I'm surprised some profiteers didn't get out there and make a few sales...or maybe they did.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:00 PM

52. Maybe that's the point?

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 06:32 PM

225. How deliciously amoral of you. - n/t

 

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #225)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 06:53 PM

228. To understand something is not to endorse it. n/t

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #228)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 06:55 PM

229. Oh, but you do endorse it with your phrase 'good tactics' and

 

your silence about the cruelty taking place.

I'm sure you'd find a way to call someone dieing of heat stroke there just a "failure to plan ahead."

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:13 PM

28. Protesters and media being kettled, arrested

 

The NLG number in Philadelphia is 484-758-0488, please retweet, people are being arrested. #natgat

The recorded stream will come up:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jrozlive

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:30 PM

35. ALERT:There is no video from #NATGAT MASS ARREST. All streamers have been arrested.

 

Jayron ‏@Jayron26

ALERT:There is no video from #NATGAT MASS ARREST. All streamers have been arrested. #OO #OPDX #OCHI #OLA #OCCUPYPHILLY #OCCUPYBOSTON

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:34 PM

38. One livestream still up:

 

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #56)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:48 PM

67. Thanks!

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:20 PM

29. These Occupiers are too stupid to live

What part of conflict do they not understand? You don't go to battle expecting your enemy to give you stuff.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:30 PM

34. Hi there. I'm an Occupier.

 

And if you deny general public services to one group, you must deny them to all.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #34)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:46 PM

46. Yes, tooo stoooopid

 

You cannot depend upon a fire station's water supply during a drought. That water is earmarked for nothing but fires.

Plan better. It can be done.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #46)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:00 PM

51. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Fire departments respond to all kinds of public emergencies, not just fires. EMS for Philadelphia is out of the fire department. Duh.

http://www.phila.gov/fire/units_and_services/units_ems_overview.html

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:31 PM

61. Occupiers creating an "emergency" where none exists

 

Plan better. All it takes is some planning and a few dollars and you are not dependent upon strapped water resources during a drought.

No sympathy.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #61)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:41 PM

63. You are criticizing a situation you have no knowledge or understanding of

and your criticism should be taken with that in mind.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #63)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:43 PM

65. Occupiers are creating an "emergency:" where none exists and you have no knowledge..

 

or understanding of how fucked up that is and your posts should be taken with that in mind.

FUCK OCCUPY. If they cannot plan their own protests, they are worthless and should be dismissed as idiots.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:07 AM

104. Emergency care would be a general public service

I doubt that providing water for protesters would be considered a general public service.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #104)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:31 AM

110. Can you imagine protesters milling around outside the fire station while getting water?

Without meaning to, they would make it more difficult for engines to leave in case of a real emergency.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #104)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:06 PM

139. Obviously then, water is something which needs to be free.

 

To boldly deny someone a basic human need in these conditions is inhuman.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #139)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:20 PM

141. You're right, it's a basic human need

All the more reason for the Occupiers to have planned to provide it rather than assuming that someone would provide it for them.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #141)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:24 PM

142. If you're sick of the 1%, how about being sick of the(ir) concept of paying for water.

 

No other animal on Earth pays for water.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #142)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:33 PM

145. Being sick of the 1% doesn't mean that the Occupiers don't have to exercise some responsiblity

You think water should be free? Fine. But if you know it isn't, and you know you're going to have a large gathering in sweltering heat, why would you not make plans to ensure that water is available?

Hint: Assuming that the city, who has to pay for the water, is going to give it away for free is not a plan.

As for other animals not charging for water, I'm not aware of any animals that pull the water from where it is to where it is needed, treat it, and distribute it to individual habitats for the use of others of their species.

If you think it's just the 1% that are involved in the distribution of water, you're sadly mistaken.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #145)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:39 PM

148. I think horizontalism must be the way to go, if everyone is okay with people dying from heat.

 

That's some scary stuff there; I can't parse that so many are okay with a system which not only decrees it, but would allow it.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #148)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:42 PM

150. Quick question, yes or no

Do the Occupiers have any responsiblity to provide and care for the people that they are bringing in for the protests?

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #150)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:51 PM

158. Quick question, yes or no, do we care for our brothers and sisters in dire need?

 

"The people who live in tornado alley, just as I live in hurricane alley, they should have insurance," Paul said.

Ron Paul: No Federal Financial Aid for Tornado Victims

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-no-federal-financial-aid-tornado-victims-102533838.html

Seriously.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #158)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:54 PM

162. Then I take it that yes or no are not in your vocabulary? n/t

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #162)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:13 PM

174. Taking care of people in need is.

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #158)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:00 PM

168. Dodge.

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #168)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:12 PM

173. I will not step into your distractions. Take care of people in need, period. End of story.

 

Unless you wish to continue to argue for not taking care of people in need...?

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #173)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:17 PM

178. Why do you think they can not take care of themselves?

 

Are they not adults, capable of walking down the street to the nearest shop?

Your blatently implied assumption of the protestors' incompetence is disturbing.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #173)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:11 PM

209. Why didn't some of the Occupiers care enough about their fellow protesters

to care of their needs, i.e., providing water? You talk a good game about everyone taking care of each other, yet you don't expect the Occupiers to take care of each other.

Why not?

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #209)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:17 PM

211. Occupy organizers are providing water to participants in Philly, per I text I just received.

There are water stations set up for participants. Occupy is not incompetent.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #211)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:19 PM

213. That's good news!

If they had done that yesterday, all of this drama could have been avoided.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #213)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:22 PM

214. Maybe they did have water stations yesterday, too. It doesn't negate the mayor's behavior.

The fact that Occupy organizers are providing water to participants doesn't negate the fact that the mayor appears to be making things as difficult as possible for Occupy. Both things can be true at the same time.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #214)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:25 PM

215. Yes, both things can be true at the same time

But since the outcry was that people were going to be suffering heat stroke because the mayor wouldn't give them water, it's highly doubtful.

Bottom line is that protesters should come prepared to sustain the protest, and given the hue and cry yesterday, that didn't seem to be the case. Especially given that the protesters went to the fire station to get water for people that "would" be coming. No one was ill, no one was dying, no one was in dire need of water for health reasons. They just wanted free water.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #215)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:27 PM

216. Your contempt for the Occupy movement is odd considering your posting name.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #216)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:00 PM

219. I don't have contempt for them at all

They're out there fighting the hard fight that others of us aren't or can't. They're smart, they have a vision and they have goals.

And that's what's so maddening about something that is so silly and so easily avoided. I can't think of a single city over the last few months that has welcomed Occupy with open arms, eager to help in any way they could. Why would the Occupy leaders think that this would be different? I mean come on - they're protesting and speaking truth to power, and they expect the people that hold that power to sustain them because they didn't come prepared to sustain themselves?

Expecting the city to provide them free water just feeds into the stereotypes that the right tries to promulgate about Occupy - that they're lazy do nothings that want everything handed to them.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:48 PM

124. Since when did the fire department

 

providing drinking water to people become a public service. If you go hiking in a state park are the employees responsible for providing you with drinking water, of course not. It's time for a reality check, bring your own water. You are responsible for your own health and well being, not the city.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #124)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:45 PM

133. "Ron Paul: No Federal Financial Aid for Tornado Victims"

 

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-no-federal-financial-aid-tornado-victims-102533838.html

Please consider. Would "let them die of heat stroke and dehydration" be a similar stance, and if so, why take it?

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Response to Meiko (Reply #124)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:05 PM

138. Obviously water is something which needs to be free.

 

To boldly deny someone a basic human need in these conditions is inhuman. Have we sunk this low:

"The people who live in tornado alley, just as I live in hurricane alley, they should have insurance," (Ron) Paul said.

Ron Paul: No Federal Financial Aid for Tornado Victims

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-no-federal-financial-aid-tornado-victims-102533838.html

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #138)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:11 PM

140. Water IS free. Go get some.

Just not at the fire department. They don't sit around all day waiting for crowds of people to show up for water.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:34 PM

37. Yeah, so stupid to expect public servants to serve the public.


Well, Occupy got a good story out of it, which is likely what they wanted in the first place.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #37)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:47 PM

47. So a fire station gives out all its water during a drought to Occupiers and then a fire happens.

 

Seriously, suggesting such a thing is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #47)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:54 PM

49. Have you read your own posts lately?

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #49)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:32 PM

62. Have you?

 

You'd rather houses burn down and real sick people die so you can hold a protest?

Fuck that shit, plan the protest better. There's a fucking drought on.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #37)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:44 AM

84. "Expect public servants to serve the public"? What country do you think this is?

 

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #37)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:57 AM

100. I would be willing to bet that 9 out of 10 people reading this.....

will think - They knowingly went to protest in 90+ degree heat and didn't bring water. That's bright.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #100)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:22 PM

116. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

Just think of it as evolution in action.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #116)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:55 PM

136. "...evolution in action" is a Larry Niven line, and he's a die-hard Ronald Reagan fan.

 

"Let them die" would be a Libertarian stance, yes?

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #136)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:47 PM

152. What, you don't believe in evolution? n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #152)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:49 PM

154. Odd you are not alarmed to find yourself quoting a staunch Republican

 

Reaganite...

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #154)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:03 PM

169. Once in a while those assholes are right.

 

Grow. Up.

The world is not binary.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #169)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:08 PM

171. Let them die, dog eat dog. That's quite a philosophy you have there.

 

Seems to be much of the root of our problems today. Imma Occupy that!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #171)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:13 PM

175. You've ascribed a position to me that I do not hold.

 

Your omniscience is Teh Phale.

Interestingly enough, you've also back-handed the protesters by repeatedly insinuating that they are too stupid to go get water on their own.

Who's the one with "quite a philosophy" around here?

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Response to Demeter (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:13 PM

57. Seriously?

I mean here you are deeming people "too stupid to live" because they're relying on public infrastructure to provide a basic human need instead of, dunno, sinking a lot of money into Aquifina or some other corporate water you favor.

Seriously.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #57)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:16 PM

177. Evidently extremely seriously if you look downthread.

 

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Response to Demeter (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:29 AM

91. The establishment doesn't care about little people, let's protest!

 

Hey the establishment won't support our protest. What gives?

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Response to Demeter (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:38 PM

121. I'm with you on this one Demeter.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 06:35 PM

226. Welcome to my Ignore list - n/t

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:23 PM

30. here an issue Democratic and Republican leaders can

agree upon they both have good (from their point of view) reasons for this listing to and occupy speaker like Cris Hedges for 15 or 20 minutes make this very clear.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:32 PM

36. this country is divided by the humane and the inhumane.

sadly

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:41 PM

42. Philadelphia Police Civil Affairs - 215-685-3685

 

Wendyofthe99percent ‏@OneLoveOccupy

Philadelphia Police Civil Affairs - 215-685-3685 #NATGAT @OccupyNG

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:41 PM

43. Report: all the live streamers have been arrested

T. Fawkes ‏@AnonToth

ALERT:There is no video from ‪#NATGAT‬ MASS ARREST. All streamers have been arrested. ‪#OO‬ ‪#OPDX‬ ‪#OCHI‬ ‪#OLA‬ ‪#OCCUPYPHILLY‬ ‪#OCCUPYBOSTON

https://twitter.com/AnonToth/status/219618523067072512

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:02 AM

68. There is a reason I am registered as "unaffiliated".

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:42 PM

44. Children's Crusade From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade

The Children's Crusade is the name given to a disastrous Crusade by Christian children to expel Muslims from the Holy Land said to have taken place in 1212...The variants of the long-standing story of the Children's Crusade have similar themes. A boy began preaching in either France or Germany claiming that he had been visited by Jesus and told to lead a Crusade to peacefully convert Muslims to Christianity. Through a series of supposed portents and miracles he gained a considerable following, including possibly as many as 30,000 children. He led his followers south towards the Mediterranean Sea, in the belief that the sea would part on their arrival, allowing him and his followers to march to Jerusalem, but this did not happen. Two merchants gave free passage on boats to as many of the children as were willing, but they were actually either taken to Tunisia and sold into slavery, or died in a shipwreck on San Pietro Island off Sardinia during a gale. Some may have failed to reach the sea, dying or giving up from starvation and exhaustion.

The traditional narrative is probably conflated from some factual and mythical notions of the period including visions by a French or German boy, an intention to peacefully convert Muslims in the Holy Land to Christianity, bands of children marching to Italy, and children being sold into slavery....According to more recent research there seem to have actually been two movements of people (of all ages) in 1212 in Germany and France. The similarities of the two allowed later chroniclers to combine and embellish the tales.

In the first movement, Nicholas, a shepherd from the Rhineland in Germany who possessed an extraordinary power of speech, tried to lead a group across the Alps and into Italy in the early spring of 1212. Nicholas promised that the sea would dry up before them and allow his followers to cross into the Holy Land. Rather than intending to fight the Saracens, he said that the Moslem kingdoms would be defeated when their citizens converted to Christianity. His disciples went off to preach the call for the "Crusade" across the German lands, and they massed in Cologne after a few weeks. Splitting into two groups, the crowds took different roads through Switzerland. Two out of every three people on this ghastly journey died, while many others returned to their homes. About 7,000 arrived in Genoa in late August. They immediately marched to the harbor, expecting the sea to divide before them; when it did not many became bitterly disappointed. A few accused Nicholas of betraying them, while others settled down to wait for God to change his mind, since they believed that it was unthinkable he would not eventually do so. The Genoese authorities were impressed by the little band, and they offered citizenship to those who wished to settle in their city. Most of the would-be Crusaders took up this opportunity. Nicholas refused to admit defeat and traveled to Pisa, his movement continuing to break up along the way. He and a few loyal followers continued to the Papal States, where Pope Innocent III treated them kindly enough. The remaining ones departed for Germany after the Pontiff told them to be good and return home. Nicholas did not survive the second attempt across the Alps; back home his father was arrested and hanged under pressure from angry families whose relatives had perished while following the child.

Some of the most dedicated members of this Crusade were later reported to have wandered to Ancona and Brindisi; none reached the Holy Land.

The second movement was led by a twelve-year-old French shepherd boy named Stephan of Cloyes, who claimed in June that he bore a letter for the king of France from Jesus. Large gangs of youth around his age were drawn to him, most of whom claimed to possess special gifts of God and thought themselves miracle workers. Attracting a following of over 30,000 adults and children, he went to Saint-Denis, where he was seen to cause miracles. On the orders of Philip II, advised by the University of Paris, the people were implored to return home. Philip himself did not appear impressed, especially since his unexpected visitors were led by a mere child, and refused to take them seriously. Stephan, however, was not dissuaded, and began preaching at a nearby abbey. From Saint-Denis, Stephan traveled around France, spreading his messages as he went, promising to lead charges of Christ to Jerusalem. Although the Church was skeptical, many adults were impressed by his teaching. Still, few of those who initially joined him possessed his activeness; it is estimated that there were less than half the initial 30,000 remaining, a figure that was shrinking rapidly, rather than growing as perhaps anticipated.

At the end of June 1212, Stephan led his largely juvenile Crusaders from Vendôme to Marseilles. They survived by begging for food, while the vast majority seem to have been disheartened by the hardship of this journey and returned to their families.



A study published in 1977 cast doubt on the existence of these events, and many historians came to believe that they were not (or not primarily) children but multiple bands of "wandering poor" in Germany and France, some of whom tried to reach the Holy Land and others who never intended to do so. Early versions of events, of which there are many variations told over the centuries, are largely apocryphal...Recent research suggests the participants were not children, at least not the very young. The confusion started because later chroniclers, who were not witness to the events of 1212 and who were writing 30 years or more later, began to translate the original accounts and understood the Latin word pueri, meaning "boys", to mean literally "children". The original accounts did use the term pueri, but it had a derogatory slang meaning, as in present-day calling an adult man a "boy" to be condescending. In the early 13th century, bands of wandering poor started cropping up throughout Europe; these were people displaced by economic changes at the time which forced many peasants in northern France and Germany to sell their land—they were often referred to condescendingly as pueri. This mistaken literal interpretation of pueri as "children" gave rise to the idea of a "Children's Crusade" by later authors who found the story too good not to be true, particularly with so much public support and interest in crusading. Within a generation or two after 1212, the idea of children going on crusade became ingrained in history, retold countless times over the centuries with many different versions, and only in the 20th century has the myth been re-examined by looking at the earliest sources (see Historical studies AT LINK).

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Response to Demeter (Reply #44)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:03 PM

53. No time for sermons, we're busy doing things.

 

My favorite was when Occupy Fights Foreclosures recently won back a widow's home from an illegal foreclosure.

http://occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/05/dirma-beats-foreclosure.html

and were in Sacremento this week demanding action against foreclosures.

And:

http://whatthefuckhasoccupydone.com/

And what is Occupy doing in LA these days:

http://626wilshire.wikispaces.com/NoWalmartInChinatown

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:44 PM

45. Piss poor planning on the part of Occupy planners.

 

They should have planned for a source for water. Many water systems in cities from Illinois down to the Gulf and across to the Atlantic are overtaxed. There's definitely a public safety reason to not allow a fire station's water supply to be used for this as they need to have water read for potential fires.

There's a drought on and it's been obvious there would be a drought for months. The Occupy people need to plan better.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:47 PM

48. 30 Occupiers and 2 streamers arrested.

 

cliff potts ‏@cliffpotts

RT @korgasm_: Philly PD arrested every single marcher (~30) AND the streamers tonight #natgat #ows #oo #occupy (live at...

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #48)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:07 PM

54. DHS on the scene, our taxes at work:

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:31 PM

60. Unless arrangements were made ahead of time

I don't know why the city is under obligation to provide free water. I'm sure the fire department has to pay the agency that provides water. They are all separate municipal taxing units. Whenever I go to events, the organizers provide the water, not the city. Why would this be any different?

Why should taxpayers foot the bill for free water for protesters? Should the city provide free water for the next KKK demonstration?

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #60)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:46 PM

66. Deny to one, deny to all. Period.

 

Oh wait, cops don't beat up KKK and neo-nazis when they march or gather.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #60)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:41 AM

72. It's more likely that they were cut off from their own stuff somehow.

I've never seen a protest where water wasn't available. Disrupting the water is a way to control or end the protest.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #72)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 09:54 AM

87. give me some evidence/facts on this claim and i'll listen, until then i'll agree with poor planning.

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Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #87)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:11 AM

89. It doesn't work that way

Cops and government are ALWAYS guilty of unprovoked, horrible abuses -- no evidence required. Protesters are always innocent victims of malevolent forces, and if you have video evidence proving otherwise, the perpetrators are actually cops or not affiliated with the movement -- no evidence required.

See. Easy peasy.

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Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #87)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:30 PM

128. You go right ahead.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #72)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:31 AM

93. In this case it looks like they were just expecting the fire department to

 

provide them with free water and they were denied.

It is called the "fire" department not the "water" department. If you have a fire call them. If you're thirsty, call someone else.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:43 PM

64. Livestream recorded archive of what cops did yesterday in the park:

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:15 AM

70. If this had been done to a Tealiban gathering

 

Fox Noise wouldn't broadcast anything else all week.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:42 AM

73. Here is the recording of cops kettling the protesters with bicycles:

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:10 AM

76. What? They didn't bring water to the revolution? And these are folks we're relying on.....

to lead us to the Promised Land? Seeing how the report is from NorquistDogLake, I'll reserve judgement of the Mayor.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:15 AM

80. Just bring their own water

Or arrange with sympathetic businesses to get water. How are they entitled to have the city provide anything?

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Response to treestar (Reply #80)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 09:49 AM

86. Agreed.

It's summer, therefore it's hot. Bring your own water.
If there is a fire call, people have to get out of the way of the firefighters and their equipment. Then I suppose they would complain that they were thrown out of the firehouse.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:39 AM

83. Where can I donate money for water?

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 09:57 AM

88. Why can't the protesters

 

bring their own water. Camel packs are available everywhere. In addition why is the fire department under any obligation to provide water to protesters. The organizers should set up water stations along the route. I am sure something can be worked out. Contract with one of the local water vendors on a short term agreement might be an option.

The organizers of these protests are a very sharp group of people, I am sure they will work it out.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #88)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:37 AM

98. I'm sorry, what was that? 'Organizers'? What does that word mean?

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Response to randome (Reply #98)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:36 PM

120. who ever puts the protests together

 

they aren't just spontaneous. There has to be some leadership somewhere that handles logistics.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #120)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:02 PM

137. Absolutely. An 'organic' and 'leaderless' movement is destined to flounder.

That's been pointed out many, many times on DU. But there are always excuses for why no one wants to step up.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #88)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:02 AM

101. "The organizers of these protests are a very sharp group of people"

lol

They didn't plan for water.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #101)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:40 PM

122. It would seem so

 

N/T

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #101)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:33 PM

129. Oh, I think they're slightly sharper than you think

...if you really think about it.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #129)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:33 PM

191. True...

Oh wait. Nevermind. It doesn't. This make them look so foolish I tend to think the story was planted.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #191)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:14 PM

221. It also makes them look like martyrs...

....to some......read the thread.....it works on some.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:29 AM

92. Sounds like a case of poor planning

 

Occupiers intended to be able to get water from a fire station...

FAIL. Anyone who ventures outside in the heat without bringing sufficient water for his or her own needs is a fool.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #92)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:32 AM

94. Only mad dogs and englishment go out in the midday sun

 

But even they bring water.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:33 AM

95. Is there a possible lawsuit against this mayor..

.. if a citizen becomes seriously ill or dies because of this? Are firestations NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY? Is not the mission of PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL to protect and serve the HEALTH and SAFETY of THE PUBLIC?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #95)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:04 AM

102. "if a citizen becomes seriously ill "

Then you dial 911. Not because you didn't bring water.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #102)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:54 AM

112. Is this your judicial opinion as an actual judge?

Or just your opinion as another layperson? Persons, businesses, and government agencies have lost BIG lawsuits with much less cause than this. I can't say for sure, and anyone who claims to know the outcome of case BEFORE it even has happened really doesn't carry much wait or credibility. (Might I refer you to the recent Obamacare ruling and all of the smug dickheads making predictions that it would be struck down?) BTW, thanks for ignoring the rest of what I asked, that's VERY telling.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #112)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:23 PM

117. "I can't say for sure"

No you can't. Some things really are simple. Please call 911 next time you are thirsty.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #95)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:13 AM

106. Firestations are public property.

Firefighters protect the health and safety of the public putting out fires and running into burning building to get people out.

The idea of a lawsuit here is ridiculous.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #106)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:55 AM

113. See my response to your fellow skeptic. n/t

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #113)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:43 PM

123. Still ridiculous, sorry.

Water is for sale in every gas station, grocery store and bodega. Cities are under no obligation to provide Occupy with water.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #123)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:19 PM

126. I know dood or doodette.

It really is ridiculous to think that a mayor of a city would risk putting himself and the entire city into the likelihood of a liability suit by deliberately issuing an executive order to deny PUBLIC SERVICES to the PUBLIC, KNOWING full well that doing so could result in serious bodily injury or even death. Hey, but since you have said so, I guess they have no worries. Won't happen. Rock on.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #126)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:35 PM

130. Since when is it a firefighter's job to provide water to

protesters?
Doling out bottled water to them is not a PUBLIC SERVICE. There has been a nasty heat wave here. Nobody expects this city to provide anybody out in the heat with bottled water. Everybody I passed on the street had their own bottle of water or GatorAde. Sounds like they showed up without water looking for an excuse to sue somebody. It's a stupid publicity stunt, making occupy look foolish and litigation happy.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #130)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:39 PM

131. So it seems you are defending the 1%...

... quite spiritedly. I have to wonder why?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #131)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:46 PM

134. What?



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Response to HappyMe (Reply #134)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:43 PM

151. You can either explain your defense of the 1% or..

... let us assume what your reasons are.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #151)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:50 PM

155. Fine, assume away.

I think it's foolish for people to spend hours in the heat without water. If that's what they want to do, then fine. Assuming firefighters have the time to give water away is ridiculous. The area around the firehouse has to be kept clear in case there is a fire call. How you got your 1% crap from that is beyond me.

Enjoy your day.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #151)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:53 PM

203. a true friend would tell said friend when they are acting in an idiotic manner

i don't see a defense of the 1%, better to point out the truth then cheer somebody on when they are acting wrongly

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #151)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:55 PM

218. Who's "defending" the 1%?

 

The 1% did not show up without supplies, nor did they take any from anyone.

They did not, in fact, have anything to do with this.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:33 AM

96. If only Occupy read DU...

there was a thread here just the other day reminding us all to bring water with us when hiking. Same thing goes for protesting.

Sid

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:36 AM

97. It's rather brutal to see people on DU cheering on the misery of the occupiers or any other human

beings.

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #97)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:45 AM

99. No one wants anyone to be miserable. (Well, for the vast majority of us, maybe.)

But this is yet another ridiculous contortion for protesters to see themselves as victims and that we should all join in to help them as they battle the establishment for...free water.

If they want to see themselves as victims, they are welcome to that. I don't celebrate their misery but I am mystified as to why they put themselves in this position.

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #97)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:05 AM

103. I think it's more "they created problems for themselves"

 

that should have been immediately recognizable to anyone with an ounce of common sense. I've never organized a mass anything but you can bet that in the middle of summer any outdoor event I was forced to put together would include copious amounts of water everywhere.

They're going to change the system but they don't have the wherewithal to even provide for their own self-preservation?

This is like complaining about getting hit by a car because no one was there to look both ways for you. Or blaming the government for making it cold in the winter and not giving you mittens.

Stupidity doesn't deserve sympathy.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #103)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:22 PM

183. That's a Libertarian position, isn't it? They should have known better so let them suffer/die?

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #183)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:29 PM

188. Not really

 

unless libertarians are the only ones who expect adults to be able to look after themselves for basic things.

This isn't a case of water being in short supply everywhere or people being unable to afford it.

They just assumed someone else would always be there to provide it to them.

Like the difference between saying the poor should starve during times of depression because they ought to provide for themselves (even though food is too scarce/expensive for them to be able to get) and saying it's the governments fault you went hungry on your car trip because they didn't pull up along side you and hand you a snack (and of course you could never be expected to pack your own snacks).

One is heartless and ultimately devastating to society. The other is common sense.

They aren't dying, they aren't cut off from water. They are just expected (LIKE EVERY OTHER MASS GATHERING) to provide for their own refreshments.

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #97)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:59 AM

114. I agree 1000%

There is a mean-spiritedness that I would expect from Teabaggers that has infested some self-righteous individuals around here. Kind of sickening to see.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #114)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:35 PM

119. Really? I can only dimly imagine the glee here...

 

should T.B.ers pull a similarly fucktarded stunt. It would beat the iverglas banning by a light-year.

Stupidity should NEVER be pandered to, no matter what politics it flows from.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #119)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:43 PM

132. "Let them die" is a Libertarian stance.

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #132)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:50 PM

156. Seriously, who said anything about "Let them die"?

 

Don't play the fool, you do it... poorly.

No-one is forcing those people to stay against their will. They can go procure water on their own resources, as it should be, at any time.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #156)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:53 PM

160. The conditions have already been stated as ripe for heat stroke and death.

 

Since when are we all agreeing with Ron Paul?

"The people who live in tornado alley, just as I live in hurricane alley, they should have insurance," Paul said.

Ron Paul: No Federal Financial Aid for Tornado Victims

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-no-federal-financial-aid-tornado-victims-102533838.html

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #160)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:58 PM

165. If you don't see a difference between a tornado and carrying a bottle or two of water....

 

I fear for the future of the Democratic Party.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #165)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:10 PM

172. I fear for the future of the world when people can't see allowing

 

someone in heat stroke conditions, no matter the reason, a bottle or two of water. Sorry.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #172)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:25 PM

187. I fear a future where adults are too stupid or lazy to supply the most basic survival need.

Nobody is rounding them up in a compound and denying them water.

They are appearing in public on their own volition in record summer heat.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #119)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:50 PM

157. Agreed...

If the T.B.'ers held a rally and screamed about no free water being provided to them, I couldn't even predict how many posts would laugh, call them idiots, state "Good, screw them", etc. If you want water at your rally/protest, simple. Buy it and bring it. As another poster said, what's next- they demand the city provide them with free delivered meals too?

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Response to richmwill (Reply #157)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:31 PM

190. Don't forget coats in the winter

 

expecting them to dress appropriately as if they were sentient adult human beings is terribly heartless and dare I say extremely rightwing.

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #97)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:33 PM

118. I can't believe people wouldn't go out in the heat without anything to drink..

thinking if they get thirsty they'll just take a hose of the back of the truck and spray it down their throat hole LOL...


Or maybe it's just an Occupy publicity stunt. Regardless nobody will care about it by tomorrow at 3:23 CST

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #118)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:33 PM

192. How much would it cost to rent a large water tank and trailer

 

like they use at construction sites?

Not much. Then I'm sure there is at least one sympathetic homeowner in town with a hose they can borrow to fill it up.

Assign everyone a solo cup and bam. Problem solved for maybe a hundred bucks or so.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #192)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:37 PM

195. Occupy has water stations in Philly this week. They are not unprepared.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #195)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:40 PM

196. So . . . what's the problem then?

 

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #196)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:44 PM

198. I'm reporting a text I just received from somebody who is in Philly at Occupy.

They too heard the news reports that the fire station refused water to Occupy. Apparently that is true. But the organizers of Occupy were not counting on the fire station water alone. There are water stations set up around the protest sites.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #198)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:55 PM

205. Seems like drummed up controversy then

 

"You won't give us water!!"


-You have water.


"Well yeah . . . but still . . . come on"


-Also this is the fire department. If you want water from us you are supposed to be on fire.



"Yeah. . . I guess that really isn't your job . . . huh . . . . outrage!"


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Response to yardwork (Reply #195)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:42 PM

197. Well, then what

the heck was all this they're gonna die!11 hysteria for?

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #197)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:46 PM

200. It sounds like two things are true. One, the fire station did refuse water.

Two, the Occupy organizers made other plans to provide water to the participants.

That's all I know, based on a text I just received.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #197)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:51 PM

202. Someone was fear mongering.

 

Fear sells.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #202)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:19 PM

212. I don't know that is fear mongering. The news reports are true, apparently.

It sounds like the mayor is being a jerk. Occupy organizers are not incompetent, though. They are providing water to participants. Apparently the mayor is making this as difficult as he can. That's not fear mongering.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #212)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:51 PM

217. It is not the Mayor's job, nor the city's obligation....

 

to provide such supplies. The people gathering are responsible for such things, including sanitation (toilets and trash) and emergency medical and security arrangements (police and fire). This is covered in the permiting processes, but Occupy seems to skip that more often than not, to my knowledge.

While their messages are good, their execution has been less than exemplary.

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #97)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 06:42 PM

227. I am seriously considering leaving DU for good because of it. This

 

thread really takes the cake for its careless brutality and gleeful cruelty.

Un-friggin-believable.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #227)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:27 PM

231. This thread is horrifying. Welcome to Ron Paul Underground.

The social darwinists have taken over, ever prepared to hunt down Piggy with their rock.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:19 AM

107. Air drop? n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #107)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:27 AM

109. By automated drones.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:35 AM

111. I hope the Quakers stand up to their usual standards. They have been on the right side of the

issue in every US event that I can recall. I think the mayor is asking too much.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:50 PM

125. Don't stop

 

The need for this group or any group to express itself is part American. We are a society that expresses ourselves regardless whether we agree. Get rid of the blank de blank. Throw the dip wad out of the party. Any Democrat that does this does not deserve any helping hand now or even if he changes later.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:53 PM

135. One aspect of Occupy is that the illusion of scarcity is only an illusion.

 

There are enough resources to feed, clothe, educate, and house everyone several times over. It is only the greed and hoarding of the rich making possible these miseries and death.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:24 PM

143. No other animal on Earth pays for water.

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #143)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:30 PM

144. No other animal

 

has protest marches either.What's your point? That everything should be free. Perhaps the city could buy everyone lunch as well.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #144)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:37 PM

146. My point is freedom vs. Capitalism. Obviously, capitalism and its proponents are OK when people die.

 

Again: Why do we pay for something that is a =natural= resource? That is certainly reason to protest and march

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #146)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:52 PM

159. "Why do we pay for something that is a =natural= resource?"

 

Because, in an artificial urban environment, it is neither free nor natural.

Your grasp of both economics and nature seems tenuous, at best.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #159)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:59 PM

167. Perhaps even reality

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #167)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:06 PM

170. Well, yeah, but I figured I'd keep it narrow....

 

as those are the only two items I can be sure of on the evidence at hand.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #179)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:31 PM

189. I think I was being rather civil

considering that these are the accusations leveled at people who do not agree with the OP:

"What is getting me is that so many are buying so completely into a system which has decreed that human beings should and must suffer and die. That's what -I'm- not getting. That would be a lack of humanity, of brotherly love, of compassion, of integrity, of doing the right thing."

If there is a hurricane or other emergency, I believe the government should provide water. I don't think it is a duty for the government to step in just to give people free water because they didn't or won't do it for themselves. If the heat is too much, the adults can plan accordingly or take a break. They aren't captives or forced to be there or faced with circumstances beyond their control. If the weather is too much, they can adjust their plans -- just as all of us in this heat wave have had to do. I don't go out for a walk without water and get mad because the firefighters won't give me some. I don't wish anyone harm. I hope they are sensible and take care of themselves. And if someone is overcome by the heat, I'm sure the city will respond in such a true emergency.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #143)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:38 PM

147. Umm... no other animal filters out impurities and organisms

at water treatment plants so the water is not contaminated and then it is shipped and piped for widespread distribution. I'm sure nobody would stop the protesters from drinking out of a lake, stream or puddle -- you know, like animals do.

Solid analogies flow from logical thinking. It appears to be absent here.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #147)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:42 PM

149. Seriously? You do not imagine that I am aware of our systems of storage and filtration and

 

distribution?

What is getting me is that so many are buying so completely into a system which has decreed that human beings should and must suffer and die. That's what -I'm- not getting. That would be a lack of humanity, of brotherly love, of compassion, of integrity, of doing the right thing.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #149)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:53 PM

161. No-one has "decreed" any such fucking thing.

 

Stop with the invented hysteria mongering.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #161)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:14 PM

176. A post on brotherly love gets this response? Thank you and goodbye.

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #176)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:23 PM

185. A post on "brotherly love" would not be based on a lie.

 

If there is anyone at the protest not capable of getting water on their own, I'm sure they will get the help they need.

I'm also sure that most of those folks are intelligent enough to help themselves out of a self-manufactured situation.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #176)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:46 PM

201. The mean spirit runs deep in ..

... many here. Reminds of the same authoritarian, bootlicking I hear from Teabagger self-righteous "libertarians."

Mean people suck.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #201)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:57 PM

206. And stupid people die

I'll take mean any day.

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Response to B2G (Reply #206)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:26 PM

223. I regularly hear almost exactly the same sentiment from..

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.. bitter old Teabaggers all the time. You're in fine company.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #201)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:15 PM

210. Mean people are in pain. May they find love and healing now. :(

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #149)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:57 PM

164. How many protestors died yesterday?

I skipped the nightly news, so I'm curious.

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Response to B2G (Reply #164)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:20 PM

180. 135

They just started to drop like flies. Eveybody was running about, flapping their arms screaming: "Oh my God! What is happening? Why is my mouth so dry?"

They needed 3 flatbed trucks to remove the corpses.

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Response to Throd (Reply #180)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:23 PM

184. If only they'd chanted...

"Hell no! We won't go! 'Til you give us H2O!"

Lol. I slay myself sometimes.

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Response to Throd (Reply #180)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:24 PM

186. I'm so going to hell....

 



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Response to Throd (Reply #180)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:36 PM

194. Oh!






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Response to B2G (Reply #164)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:20 PM

181. "Nothing has happened yet so everything is okay?"

 

They didn't die today from stated heat stroke conditions so it's impossible for anyone to die tomorrow?

Seriously?

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #147)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:56 PM

163. This post made me lol

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #143)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:35 PM

193. No other animal on earth gets to use the city water supply

 

not directly anyway.

They can go find a stream to drink from. You know what happens to animals that don't find water? That's right, the feds show up with bottled wat. . . no wait they die. They have the exact same freedoms as any other animal to go find water where they can. They just aren't entitled to it free and delivered from other people.

Also no other animal on earth can survive long without gathering their own food.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:20 PM

182. I just texted with somebody at Occupy in Philly.

They tell me that the organizers have water stations set up for participants. Yes, the fire station did refuse to provide water, but the organizers have their own water.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:44 PM

199. What a humanitarian. Did he offer them cake as a substitute?

"Practical politics" trumps common decency.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:55 PM

204. Should the city also give them cheese steaks?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #204)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:00 PM

207. It's Philly! Of course!

But only if they're on fire.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:24 PM

222. occupy. -eom

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 06:23 PM

224. June 30: Man hit in the throat with baton at Occupy Philadelphia #NatGat:

 



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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #224)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:15 PM

232. Break their unions.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #232)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:35 PM

233. Or.....

 

don't actively resist the police with physical force. If it's time for that, it's time to go all the way.

And it's not that time... yet.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 07:10 PM

230. Thank you for posting this. It's at times like this that

 

I really question why anyone of conscience still bothers with the Democrats.

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