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niyad

(113,213 posts)
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:16 PM Mar 2017

Trump did to Merkel what men do to women all the time

Trump did to Merkel what men do to women all the time


Men constantly ignore women – but most of the time no one notices it. Except, that is, when it happens on the world stage



A few years ago, my husband and I ran into a mutual acquaintance at a restaurant. This young man – a person who would surely identify as progressive – spent the entirety our interaction completely ignoring me. He spoke only to my husband; he wouldn’t even look at me when I asked a direct question. While it would be tempting to write off the exchange as simple rudeness, this brand of slight is familiar to most women. Perhaps it happens when you go to buy a car and the salesperson only speaks to your male partner. Or when you meet someone at a work event and they only introduce themselves to the male colleague beside you. Or, if you’re Angela Merkel, maybe the notoriously misogynist president of the United States refuses to shake your hand or even deign to look at you during a press conference. We hear quite a lot about explicit sexism like cat calls or discrimination, but less overt indignities can be just as infuriating – in part, because they’re so hard to explain to those who haven’t experienced them.

Aziz Ansari’s hit Netflix show, Master of None, had a brilliant episode dedicated to just this topic. Ansari’s character, Dev, spends the majority of the episode realizing how much sexism women have to deal with: from men following women home and flashing them on subways, to lewd comments on social media. But when Dev’s girlfriend, Rachel, points out that his director only introduced himself to the men at the table – ignoring the two women sitting there – he balks slightly. Surely, he says, there was some misunderstanding: The director was in a rush, or Rachel is reading too much into it.

When Dev finally admits that perhaps the interaction was gendered, Rachel explains why what happened was so painful: “There are lot of subtle little things that happen to me and all women, even in our little progressive world. And when somebody, especially my boyfriend, tells me I’m wrong without having any way of knowing my personal experience, it’s insulting.”

When I tweeted about Trump ignoring Merkel, and how familiar an experience it is to women, dozens chimed in. One said both she and her husband were journalists but men will generally only ask him about his work. Another noted that the bosses on her team are all women, but it’s the teenage male intern who gets the questions.The assumption, of course, is that the women in the room simply aren’t important enough to warrant attention or conversation. It’s a phenomenon I’ve noticed increases as women get older, and ever more invisible.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/21/trump-did-to-merkel-what-men-do-to-women-all-the-time

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Trump did to Merkel what men do to women all the time (Original Post) niyad Mar 2017 OP
Happens all the time in corporate America.. HipChick Mar 2017 #1
Glad he did it, most misogynist men who despise women, which is all Eliot Rosewater Mar 2017 #2
yes, doing it with international coverage certainly made the point!! niyad Mar 2017 #3
K&R demmiblue Mar 2017 #4
FWIW, Miz t. agrees. trof Mar 2017 #5
it happens all the time. disgusting. niyad Mar 2017 #6
I was shocked that when I tried to buy a car - salesmen ignored me again and again!! bettyellen Mar 2017 #7
I had one car salesman actually tell me that I didn't want the car I wanted, but what he niyad Mar 2017 #8
Yep- and I wanted a manual with a soft top, so there was literally one model there... bettyellen Mar 2017 #9
I am glad that you got the car you wanted, and are still enjoying it. niyad Mar 2017 #11
I had been driving a beater with no radio or AC and rough suspension... 5-6 times a week up to see bettyellen Mar 2017 #13
and good for you for not being intimidated by that idiot salesman. niyad Mar 2017 #14
I laughed so hard when I pulled out the email showing him the lower price quote! bettyellen Mar 2017 #16
Yep -- and it's not just GOP/Republican men. We live in a misogynistic culture and it's hard for RedWedge Mar 2017 #10
and it might help if such were acknowleged, instead of denied, as we see so frequently. niyad Mar 2017 #12
I second this. RedWedge Mar 2017 #17
Yes, it does happen all the time, this instance was more of a flagrant "fuck you" Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #15
the manchild is a true misogynist, and utterly without class, or manners, or sense of niyad Mar 2017 #18

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
2. Glad he did it, most misogynist men who despise women, which is all
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:18 PM
Mar 2017

gop men and Putin types, will pretend not to.

Now we know what con men think of women, all of them. What russians think of women, etc.

trof

(54,256 posts)
5. FWIW, Miz t. agrees.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:25 PM
Mar 2017

A few days ago we had a car towed to our mechanic. Miz t. was the first one out the door when the tow truck arrived.
I walked out a few minutes later.

After he left she said
"Did you notice that as soon as you came out he started talking to you and no longer to me?"
I hadn't noticed, but she was right.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. I was shocked that when I tried to buy a car - salesmen ignored me again and again!!
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:29 PM
Mar 2017

I had cash on hand and knew exactly what I wanted. One would not get off an obviously meandering personal call, seemed pissed off that I hovered around waiting. Another made endless excuses about allowing me a test drive.
So I contacted a few via email.... when I used the name Bert instead of Betty I got faster replies and 15-20% better prices! Bert got me the car I wanted. Betty was treated like shit.

niyad

(113,213 posts)
8. I had one car salesman actually tell me that I didn't want the car I wanted, but what he
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:31 PM
Mar 2017

was going to show me, despite my very clear explanations. I had a little chat with the mgr, explaining why I would not be purchasing a car from that dealership.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. Yep- and I wanted a manual with a soft top, so there was literally one model there...
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:38 PM
Mar 2017

And I told them that I'd put a lot of thought into it already and wanted what I wanted. They were trying to push me to something they had too much stock of. Ugh, it was all too insulting. Seventeen years later- still have that car! And love it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
13. I had been driving a beater with no radio or AC and rough suspension... 5-6 times a week up to see
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:47 PM
Mar 2017

My mom who was in the hospital. I always use public transportation for work so this was a lot - about 12 hours a week - all after work days, and very uncomfortable and unpleasant. So I needed to make those hours a hell of a lot more pleasant to save my sanity. And it did.

So- thank you!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
16. I laughed so hard when I pulled out the email showing him the lower price quote!
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:52 PM
Mar 2017

He was like- you're Bert? I said "Typo"! LOL

RedWedge

(618 posts)
10. Yep -- and it's not just GOP/Republican men. We live in a misogynistic culture and it's hard for
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:41 PM
Mar 2017

even the most progressive man to shake it off sometimes.

Kimchijeon

(1,606 posts)
15. Yes, it does happen all the time, this instance was more of a flagrant "fuck you"
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:50 PM
Mar 2017

...there's no way he didn't hear the request, he blatantly snubbed her.

niyad

(113,213 posts)
18. the manchild is a true misogynist, and utterly without class, or manners, or sense of
Fri Mar 24, 2017, 02:03 PM
Mar 2017

decorum or protocol.

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