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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:27 PM

can you have Single Payer and keep insurance companies?

Because the Insurance Industry isnt going anywhere.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:29 PM

1. mangement can scram but underlings can get work at medicare for all nt

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:30 PM

3. Good question. Canadian DUers, check in here.

We have them here on DU.

Bookmarking for a good response.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:30 PM

4. You could. Blue Cross, United, etc., administer Medicare under federal rules.

I think stockholders might be ticked, but life is tough sometimes. They can invest elsewhere and create jobs. Silk stocking execs can go as poster above said. Staff folks can continue on.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:32 PM

5. Maybe that's why only 4 countries have true 'single payer'. n/t

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:34 PM

6. Sure. Auto, Homeowners, Life, etc etc etc.

You recogize a serious issue, which is a big part of the reason this effort has been so difficult.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:35 PM

7. Yes ...

From what I understand, most of the nations that have socialized healthcare, also have private, for-profit insurance agencies operating to cover what the state plan doesn't.

That all good ... assuming the state plan is adequate.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:41 PM

8. They can sell policies for items the Single Payer plan doesn't cover

like private rooms (which currently insurance doesn't cover). I believe that is done in France.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:43 PM

9. Medicare for all would pay 80% of any hospitalization cost

and the insurance companies would supply Medigap insurance for doctor visits, labs, equipment and the rest of the potential crap it takes to keep some of us alive.

So yes, had they done the sensible thing and started to lower the Medicare age (but were blocked by that worm Lieberman), the insurance companies would be gleeful. They've always done a much better job on supplementary insurance than on the bulk of the insurance.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:54 PM

10. I alway hear people talk about cost rising. Cost is rising because business wants more.

I took my mom to Kaiser out in LA. And you just realize you're dealing with monsters as far as these insurance companies go. They make so much money. They like the system just the way it is. Regardless if they say it.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:01 AM

11. Si se puede!

Anything that goes beyond the scope of what the single-payer law would provide (check out HR 676. It's really a thing of beauty and simplicity) would become the purview of private insurers. Advertisers are geniuses at convincing us to purchase things we don't really need, so I'm confident that it wouldn't take long for private insurers to have us all clamoring for nose jobs, breast enhancements, and dog knows what else.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:11 AM

12. No one is talking about abolishing all insurance. We just want the

death penalty for attempting to write/sell MEDICAL insurance policies, lol. The bloodsucking middlemen can go suck an egg as far as I'm concerned.

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