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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:25 PM

 

Those 30 cowards that are voting with Issa tomorrow should be thrown out of the Democratic Caucus

on principle.

To be honest, Pelosi and Hoyer hasn't been doing exactly a great job rounding up the Democrats and bringing them in line.

Confirmed cowards (based on statements)

Jim Matheson (D-UT) - Leader of the Blue Dogs coalition
Collin Peterson (D-MN)
Nick Rahall (D-WV)
John Barrow (D-GA)

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/235053-second-house-dem-backs-placing-holder-in-contempt-

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Reply Those 30 cowards that are voting with Issa tomorrow should be thrown out of the Democratic Caucus (Original post)
Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 OP
coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #1
aquart Jun 2012 #2
Lifelong Protester Jun 2012 #5
femmocrat Jun 2012 #26
Lifelong Protester Jun 2012 #57
notadmblnd Jun 2012 #3
RockaFowler Jun 2012 #6
Meg_Griffin_1 Jun 2012 #47
RKP5637 Jun 2012 #9
Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #13
Art_from_Ark Jun 2012 #49
Dragonfli Jun 2012 #31
abelenkpe Jun 2012 #4
1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #8
freshwest Jun 2012 #11
patrice Jun 2012 #25
Control-Z Jun 2012 #10
sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #34
Dragonfli Jun 2012 #39
bvar22 Jun 2012 #62
abelenkpe Jun 2012 #53
n2doc Jun 2012 #7
rhett o rick Jun 2012 #12
Autumn Jun 2012 #14
Dragonfli Jun 2012 #22
rhett o rick Jun 2012 #55
bvar22 Jun 2012 #63
rhett o rick Jun 2012 #64
TexasProgresive Jun 2012 #15
Dragonfli Jun 2012 #18
Chisox08 Jun 2012 #21
butterfly77 Jun 2012 #38
pnwmom Jun 2012 #61
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #16
MaeScott Jun 2012 #17
Dragonfli Jun 2012 #19
MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #23
Dragonfli Jun 2012 #27
MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #51
clang1 Jun 2012 #20
valerief Jun 2012 #24
clang1 Jun 2012 #29
valerief Jun 2012 #33
blm Jun 2012 #28
brentspeak Jun 2012 #30
butterfly77 Jun 2012 #32
riverwalker Jun 2012 #35
patrice Jun 2012 #36
NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #37
WillyT Jun 2012 #40
Ineeda Jun 2012 #41
October Jun 2012 #42
UTUSN Jun 2012 #43
polichick Jun 2012 #44
FreeBC Jun 2012 #45
RZM Jun 2012 #56
bbgrunt Jun 2012 #46
mckara Jun 2012 #48
Historic NY Jun 2012 #50
Jessy169 Jun 2012 #52
cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #54
rufus dog Jun 2012 #58
alp227 Jun 2012 #59
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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:26 PM

1. Hear! Hear! - n/t

 

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:26 PM

2. Who are the quivering gutless wonders?

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Response to aquart (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:28 PM

5. I have been trying to find a list or a 'guesstimate' myself

anyone know anything? Who is making the "30" claim?

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Response to Lifelong Protester (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:39 PM

26. I found this on "the Google":

"The pressure has been rising on 31 Democrats who a year ago joined a letter written by House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa to President Barack Obama, asking him to direct Mr. Holder and the Justice Department to work with the congressional investigation into Fast and Furious, the botched gun-walking operation. That list of 31—which included such members as Pennsylvania Reps. Jason Altmire and Mark Critz, Utah Rep. Jim Matheson, and Kentucky Rep. Ben Chandler—read like a who's who of vulnerable Democrats in the 2012 election. These members are aware that many voters in their swing districts have been focused on Fast and Furious, and at least last year wanted to be seen as aiding efforts to get to the bottom of the affair."

>snip<

"When the Hill newspaper contacted all 31 to ask their intentions, Mr. Cooper and three other Democrats (Ohio's Tim Ryan; New Mexico's Martin Heinrich; and Texas's Gene Green) said they would vote against contempt in the broader House. A spokesman for Maine's Mike Michaud said the congressman was undecided. The 26 others did not respond to requests for comment, although Utah's Mr. Matheson has since become the first Democrat to say he will vote with Republicans to hold Mr. Holder in contempt. As Mr. Matheson told the Salt Lake Tribune: "Sadly, it seems that it will take holding the attorney general in contempt to communicate that evasiveness is unacceptable." "

More at link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304870304577491011136387348.html

No surprise that conservadems Critz and Altmire are named!

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Response to femmocrat (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:46 AM

57. Thanks for the info

I find this interesting:

These members are aware that many voters in their swing districts have been focused on Fast and Furious, and at least last year wanted to be seen as aiding efforts to get to the bottom of the affair."


Really? I'd be willing to bet not one in ten citizens knows about "Fast and Furious". Just us politico junkies that actually watch whatever we call the 'news'.. just my opinion.



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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:27 PM

3. I think that there are a lot of Republicans in congress masquerading as Democrats

and there has been for many years.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:29 PM

6. My thoughts, too

There are too many DINOs

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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:49 PM

47. DINOs.that is an awsome phrase.....n/t

 

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:34 PM

9. Yep!!! n/t

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:52 PM

13. It's been like that since the 80s...

Remember the Democrats who constantly supported Reagan in the 80s?

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:15 PM

49. Back then, they were called "boll weevils"

Boll weevils 30 years ago, blue dogs today, the next generation will be "stinky skunks"

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:47 PM

31. They seldom bother to even pretend anymore /nt

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:28 PM

4. A show of unity by democrats

would be a joyous event.

Sadly I don't ever ever ever see that happening.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:33 PM

8. Hell ...

We can't show unity among liberals/progressives in the civilian population that have nothing to lose by showing unity ... why would we expect that of people whose fame and fortune is based on their being "an independent voice in Congress?"

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:36 PM

11. +1

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:35 PM

25. Right on. In my deep red state, that can cost you your job. "At will" employment is legal

discrimination.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:35 PM

10. Not on this one it won't. n/t

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:56 PM

34. I think it happened when they voted to bail out the corrupt Wall Street Banks, but I am not sure.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:06 PM

39. You remember correctly, they all held hands and sang over that one.

There was a small amount of token grumbling, but it was kept pretty quiet and hidden.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #39)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 06:23 PM

62. Bi-Partisanship at its most nauseating!


Now THIS is Bi-Partisanship.
Better get used to it!
Hahahahahahaha!


For those who insist that the US Government is a monolithic organization
incapable of acting quickly,
let this forever dispel that myth.
The Senate, The Congress, and the White House delivered almost a Trillion Dollars to
the Wall Street Banks less than a week after receiving the 3 page Extortion Note!
Our Congress & Senate can strike faster than a rattlesnake...
when their 1% Personal Portfolios are threatened.

They didn't "Save the Economy".
They saved their Personal Net Worth from taking a hit,
and the jobs of a few friendly Wall Street Bankers.

Kumbaya my lord,
Kumbaya!


"Its a BIG Club,
and YOU ain't in it!"
--- George Carlin

Thank gawd it passed!




You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:33 PM

53. Really?

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:32 PM

7. We didn't do it over health care.

I don't see this as any worse. We are stuck because we need every vote and some luck to retake the house.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:36 PM

12. Once again, this is not a R vs. D fight. It's a conservative v non-conservative fight.

There are conservatives that call themselves Democrats. And that's the only loyalty clause, you must call yourself a Democrat and bingo-bango you are welcome under the tent to raise havoc.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:00 PM

14. And yet we Liberals must be loyal to those damn infiltrating conservatives.

I'm sorry but fuck that big tent. I've had enough of that shit shoved down my throat .

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Response to Autumn (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:23 PM

22. yeah, me too....

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Response to Autumn (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:49 PM

55. I agree, kick the damn conserva-dems out of our tent and

let the chips fall where they may.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #55)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:43 PM

63. The Democratic Party IS a Big Tent,

...but there is NO ROOM for those who advance the agenda of the RICH
at the expense of the Working Class & The Poor!
--- bvar22



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone


photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed



"By their WORKS you will know them."

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #63)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:55 PM

64. I agree. And those that say we need them, they can.... well, use your judgement. nm

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:09 PM

15. OOOHHH that's a plan!

Then those miscreants change parties and the Pukes have the house forever.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:20 PM

18. They find they can get more conservative laws passed as "Democrats"

why would they change their winning plan now?

They have been infiltrating for years and have set up Conservative think tanks like Third Way and PPI to promote conservatism. The Koch Brothers even helped with the financing and personally kick started the DLC.

All is well for them, they would be weaker as the Republicans they are and they know it.

We are the ones that need to change strategy because our strategy of giving them all the power to fuck us from within has been a disaster. We even put infiltrators on the top of our ticket and wonder why we get Heritage Foundation laws being passed by "Democrats" that negotiate conservatism in our name.

Do you really want them stinking the tent up with elephant shit all the time?
I hate the smell around here myself.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:23 PM

21. They already vote with the Republicons

So what's the difference when they switch parties?
The Democratic party needs to dragged back to the left kicking if screaming. If it takes losing a couple seats in order to get it done so be it. We have to look at the long term, not just election to election. The Republicons did it and look at the condition our country is in. We won't get any change if we keep putting the same people back in office hoping for a different result.

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Response to Chisox08 (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:04 PM

38. Exactly..

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Response to Chisox08 (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 05:26 AM

61. But we need the DINO's in order to regain a majority in the house.

And we need the majority in order to take back Committee leadership.

Even if the DINO's don't vote with us much of the time, we're much better off than if they switched parties.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:10 PM

16. As soon as the NRA said they were scoring the vote, it should have been apparent to all

what the hell was going on.

Actually, when Issa and the other GOPheads started spouting that gun control lunacy, people should have known there was never going to be any there there. But the NRA scoring is like a triple-gainer leap over the shark for this Fast and Furious BS.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:18 PM

17. Any Dem voting w/Pukes should be primaried. nt

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Response to MaeScott (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:22 PM

19. We tried that with Lieberman, Remember? Our party backed the third party shit against the Dem.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:24 PM

23. Not easy to be an FDR Democrat these days

But we'll prevail. It'll just take a while.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:40 PM

27. I fear we may end up prevailing at the end of a depression that will dwarf the last one

Remember, we do not have the pressure of a Communist party pulling from the left to help us find a true balance like we did last time.

Without that, FDR Democrats (the closest thing to the true center in America) are pulling the rope alone against the fascist right. We may very well end up with third world lives and fascism before we even have a chance.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:23 PM

51. Difficult to imagine a depression that dwarfs the last one

But, as you say, we might get there yet.

I'm hopeful that *something* springs up on the left, and quick. Otherwise, you're right, we may be in deep poop.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:23 PM

20. THEY ARE NOT COWARDS

 

....THEY ARE NOT PATRIOTS IS WHAT THEY ARE. UNDERSTAND.



THEY ARE SOLDIERS IN THEIR OWN BATTLE. AND THEY ARE WINNING. THOSE ARE NOT COWARDS.













Meanwhile....The Progression continues.......

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:34 PM

24. Except for a handful of members, Congress is one big Republican team, no matter if they're labeled

as D or R. On this Republican team, some of their D's pretend to be D's and if they don't have enough R votes, they let some of the D's show their true colors.

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Response to valerief (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:43 PM

29. It does not TRULY represent the people

 

and why NOTHING gets done now, and why NO meaningful change EVER happens. BOUGHT VOTES IS NOT REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE. IT WILL NEVER BE. THE MONEY CORRUPTS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. NOW IT IS OUT OF CONTROL.

















Meanwhile....The Progression continues....




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Response to clang1 (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:55 PM

33. Serfs up! nt

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:43 PM

28. Send the FORUNE article to their offices and follow up with a phone call.

.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:47 PM

30. If Holder himself weren't such a coward, it would be easier to defend him

This is an Attorney General who has chosen to persecute cancer-stricken medical marijuana users and minimum-wage single-moms of illegal music downloaders rather than Bush war criminals and Wall St. firms who've swindled the middle class out of its nest egg.

Somehow, the Democratic party went from great AG's like Robert F. Kennedy to 1% enablers like Eric Holder.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:54 PM

32. Someone always says they have to worry about their conservative base..

why in the hell aren't they worried about us. If they are so worried about their conservative base then they need to trot their asses right over to their party the CONservative/RepubliCON party and stop trying to pretend that they are there for our best interests.

These are the same mfkers who stopped most of what we wanted in healthcare among other things the President has tried to do. He knows which ones who won't have his back so he has to always make some bullshit deal.

McCaskill,Casey,Testor and especially Manchin who is really an in your face RepubliCON would never get my vote he runs on fox and tells the world he is really a republiCON who is pretending to be a Democrat he shows up on Hannity and takes his marching orders..

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:57 PM

35. lets start posting contact info

Collin Peterson

Washington, DC Office
2211 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-2165
Fax: (202) 225-1593

His web site only takes emails from constituants, verified by Zipcode + 4 digit zip extension. Use these:
for Montevideo, MN
56265-1838
56265-1413
https://collinpeterson.house.gov/contact-me/email-me

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:59 PM

36. If we had an authentic Left in this country, they should run some strong Lefties against these 30.

What good are Democrats who don't act like Democrats anyway?

The Reich-wing will take them out whenever they want to anyway, so might as well go hell-bent-for-leather from the Left against them, right?

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:01 PM

37. Some Dems are true Dems...and some are just corporate greedy politicians.

And that second category need to be replaced with true Dems ASAP

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:18 PM

40. HUGE K & R !!!




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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:20 PM

41. The DCCC has been bombarding my email account

begging for money (as usual), citing the 2nd quarter deadline of June 30th as vital to Democratic candidates. Well, guess what, folks???
Not a dime of mine will be going to the DCCC. Instead, the little I can give this quarter will be going to Obama, Grayson, Warren, and Sherrod Brown. The DCCC will be getting a note from me, with CC's to Debbie W-S and any Dems who vote with the repigs.

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Response to Ineeda (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:40 PM

42. Me, too -- and I reply now.

In one email they wrote, "Imagine the consequences if the Republicans took control of the country...."

I swear to you, that's a quote.

So, I replied, "Imagine????? Seriously????? It's already happened."

How insulting!

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:41 PM

43. K#37 and K n/t

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:42 PM

44. They're either chickenshit or Republican - either way, it's time...

...to fire their sorry asses.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:42 PM

45. No wonder there are no semi-sane republicans left. We keep letting them in the democratic party.

 

How is the republican party ever going to come back from the ledge if the democrats keep stealing their more moderate conservatives?

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Response to FreeBC (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:59 PM

56. In many cases it's actually the other way around

 

It's less that they've been 'let in' and more that they are 'still there.'

Alot of this has much to do with regional identity. Many conservative Dems come from conservative places with longstanding ties to the Democratic party, going back to when the parties were very different. West Virginia is a perfect example. It's fairly conservative in many ways, but still retains a lot of its old allegiance to the Democratic party (though not in presidential politics).

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:46 PM

46. k and r.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:52 PM

48. Modern Profiles in Courage

My job is more important than my integrity!

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:20 PM

50. Every time the DEmocrats congressional ask for a donation I remind them...

I don't support traitors........they call often and their mail goes straight to the trash.

Debbie Wasserman are you listening....

cut off their money and perks to whip them in line.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:27 PM

52. Just saying...

Not that I'm an expert, but I think it is a pretty good guess that all or most of these 30 Democrats feel that they have a very precarious situation with their own re-election efforts back home. I don't know, what's better... Vote against contempt and raise the risk of losing the seat to a Repub, or vote for contempt and maybe decrease the risk of losing? Just saying...

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:22 PM

54. Wow, are they really voting on this tomorrow?? Sounds like cover for good ACA news they expect....

anyone else think so?? If they thought it would be bad news for the President, they would have saved this vote for next week so they could prolong the bad news. This makes me think they want to vote tomorrow to overshadow the good ACA news they see coming out tomorrow.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #54)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:56 AM

58. good point

I thought the Scalia meltdown tipped the hand that hey lost on ACA, scheduling the Holder vote on the same day is another tip.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:13 AM

59. Re Jim Matheson. Good luck with someone like Mia Love replacing him.

Seems that in Utah you'll have to vote between the lesser of two evils: a Blue Dog Democrat or Tea Party Republican.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 05:21 AM

60. Those 30 usually vote with us and we need every single vote, whenever we can get it. n/t

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