Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:22 PM

I hope the Supreme Court kills the Affordable Health Care Act. ALL of it.

A good chunk of voters will be really pissed. The Republicans have NO alternative.

Denial of benefits due to pre-existing conditions. Kids 26 and under kicked off their parents' health care insurance. Small businesses don't get their tax credits for insuring their employees.

Single payer is back on the table, folks. Democrats, IF they seize on this, can make some serious political hay out of this.

Am I wrong? Aren't we better off in the long run here? We might just get single payer out of this?!

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I hope the Supreme Court kills the Affordable Health Care Act. ALL of it. (Original post)	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	OP
There's a lot of death and pain to be had between	annabanana	Jun 2012	#1
Exactly.... Many will die if this happens.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#3
Many more will die if we DON'T. n/t	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#14
You do know "thrown out by SCOTUS" usually means "doesn't get touched for decades," right?	Posteritatis	Jun 2012	#44
Exactly. nt	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#53
No, the billions health insurance are mandated to refund was the poison pill for private insurance.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#61
Great Analysis.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#77
Many are already going to die	Pab Sungenis	Jun 2012	#52
Exactly.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#62
please explain how the SC throwing this out will make the repukes vote for single payer.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#71
I want to hear too.	Whisp	Jun 2012	#108
And quite a few already have	kenny blankenship	Jun 2012	#79
I think you're wrong	taught_me_patience	Jun 2012	#2
Thanks, that's what I'm asking.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#7
I think you underestimate how cruel republicans are	taught_me_patience	Jun 2012	#13
And present day Democrats are unrealiably too neo-liberal	mazzarro	Jun 2012	#8
Agreed	Sherman A1	Jun 2012	#105
I'm not sure if I agree	sadbear	Jun 2012	#4
We went from nothing to Medicare. What's the difference?	leftstreet	Jun 2012	#23
About 50 years.	sadbear	Jun 2012	#24
Starting something new	nobodyspecial	Jun 2012	#38
so you are saying I should die?	demtenjeep	Jun 2012	#5
Of course not. n/t	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#9
When my Niece is dying of her pre-existing condition, I'm sure she will	JoePhilly	Jun 2012	#6
I want a health care system that covers your niece and everyone else regardless of pre-ex conditions	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#12
She may not live long enough for your solution.	JoePhilly	Jun 2012	#18
I'm really sorry to learn that.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#22
My Neice's cancer is was a cancer of the neurons.	JoePhilly	Jun 2012	#117
And what will you say when she dies	DevonRex	Jun 2012	#19
the people who make these arguments most likely never stand to suffer the consequences of such bold	dionysus	Jun 2012	#70
Exactly. Nor do they have family members	DevonRex	Jun 2012	#73
Funny thing about calling for something to happen; you get to accept the consequences of it. (nt)	Posteritatis	Jun 2012	#45
Wow. You know that wasn't the intent. Can't you just express	gateley	Jun 2012	#21
If it is struck down, my neice will lose her insurance.	JoePhilly	Jun 2012	#25
You were extremely civil.	DevonRex	Jun 2012	#26
I understand, but it could have been presented in a more civil tone.	gateley	Jun 2012	#116
He was far more civil than I would have been.	MineralMan	Jun 2012	#37
BS. Think bigger.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#40
Single payer will not be on the table. I don't know what your smoking.	upaloopa	Jun 2012	#10
I am sick to death of you Debbie Downers proclaiming that Single Payer	kestrel91316	Jun 2012	#56
Thank you.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#60
People Do Have Insurance, But w/o ACA, the Insurance Doesn't Pay for "Preexisting Conditions"	AndyTiedye	Jun 2012	#85
Where do the votes for single payer come from??	chowder66	Jun 2012	#11
You.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#41
Believe me..it has my vote	chowder66	Jun 2012	#42
I Am Not in Congress. Neither Are You	AndyTiedye	Jun 2012	#82
From very frightened Congresscritters once less than half the populace has any medical insurance	kestrel91316	Jun 2012	#57
Yes you are wrong	One of the 99	Jun 2012	#15
+1	Control-Z	Jun 2012	#31
Maybe not 50 or 60 years. It's been happening about every 20 years.	bornskeptic	Jun 2012	#50
But the ones in the past were political defeats	One of the 99	Jun 2012	#109
Another Debbie Downer here to piss in our Wheaties and proclaim	kestrel91316	Jun 2012	#59
So, attacking the "Debbie Downers"...	Wait Wut	Jun 2012	#106
Never said Healthcare reform is dead	One of the 99	Jun 2012	#112
Health care costs would be at or near 100% of GDP and/or only a small minority	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#75
The assertion that the supreme court declaring healthcare reform	One of the 99	Jun 2012	#111
That will "kill" alot of innocent individuals in the process.	DCBob	Jun 2012	#16
We could have had, SHOULD have had single payer this time.	MrSlayer	Jun 2012	#17
the CASE for single payer becomes stronger, but the current lineup in congress makes it impossible	unblock	Jun 2012	#20
When Hillary's plan went down in 1993 it only took 17 years for another try.	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#27
I believe the Dems will put up single payer.....	matmar	Jun 2012	#28
I don't.	ellie	Jun 2012	#29
I think you're wrong.	Control-Z	Jun 2012	#30
republicans have the alternative they have now. ignore their constituents	spanone	Jun 2012	#32
I understand where you are coming from	Bolo Boffin	Jun 2012	#33
Those things you mentioned will stay in place regardless	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2012	#34
I believe the fastest way to single payer will be for employers to stop offering health insurance	riderinthestorm	Jun 2012	#35
Republicans won't ever allow single payer. They do have an alternative	Motown_Johnny	Jun 2012	#36
Yeah, thousands, tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands and possibly millions...	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#39
Do you currently have health insurance coverage?	NNN0LHI	Jun 2012	#43
Yes.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#64
I admire your honesty	NNN0LHI	Jun 2012	#99
Yea another 20 years of escalating costs and decreasing services (except for the wealthy)	salin	Jun 2012	#46
You are overestimating the average voter.	NYC Liberal	Jun 2012	#47
Back to nothing at all while we hash out getting it "perfect?"	Chorophyll	Jun 2012	#48
You're entitled to your opinion but for the record I hope you're wrong	Proud Liberal Dem	Jun 2012	#49
Of course it would be a huge disaster. It's not like I'm rooting for sick people to die.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#65
I agree	Proud Liberal Dem	Jun 2012	#68
Too many will have to suffer	liberal N proud	Jun 2012	#51
You make a good point...	immoderate	Jun 2012	#54
I fervently wish for Single Payer some day, and I agree that overturning ACA	kestrel91316	Jun 2012	#55
Well . . .	MOMFUDSKI	Jun 2012	#58
You have to break some eggs to make a cake, right?	liberalmuse	Jun 2012	#63
"willing to sacrifice human beings to line their pockets" is exactly what this scam is set up to do.	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#95
No. Stop being so willing to let Americans die.	aquart	Jun 2012	#66
Really?	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#67
In all fairness - He is hoping for quick passage of Single Payer ....	Trajan	Jun 2012	#84
Of course he's not demanding people die, but...	TreasonousBastard	Jun 2012	#92
Oh, stop it.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#88
And that's not emotional?	TreasonousBastard	Jun 2012	#93
It's fact. nt	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#94
supreme court killing it will not make the craven repukes vote for single payer. ever.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#69
There's the golden bag of shit, isn't it.	Chan790	Jun 2012	#72
You get it.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#87
If It Gets Struck Down by the Supremes, It Isn't Going to GET Done for Decades	AndyTiedye	Jun 2012	#90
If it's killed it's a HUGE republican win, don't kid yourself	flamingdem	Jun 2012	#74
And the Nader voters in 2000 wanted Bush to win	bluestateguy	Jun 2012	#76
Yeah ... Democrats will seize on it alright ....	Trajan	Jun 2012	#78
Ugh.	WilliamPitt	Jun 2012	#80
I obviously wish no ill upon your wife.	stevedeshazer	Jun 2012	#89
except Democrats wouldnt seize hold of it	Enrique	Jun 2012	#81
upheld 6-3 NT	rufus dog	Jun 2012	#83
What makes you think	Mz Pip	Jun 2012	#86
I was against the ACA and dislike the individual mandate, but seriously I don't want them to strike	Puregonzo1188	Jun 2012	#91
Sounds good in theory but I heard no politician from either side	marlakay	Jun 2012	#96
We might get single payer in 20 years. Or not. Probably not. It would be a disaster IMHO....n/t	Rowdyboy	Jun 2012	#97
even LBJ with overwhelming majorities and a public that still believed in "big government"- Even	Douglas Carpenter	Jun 2012	#98
Please tell me on which planet we will find Republicans willing to support single payer. (?????????)	RBInMaine	Jun 2012	#100
I hope we KEEP the act, and STILL eventually morph it into single-payer	Blue_Tires	Jun 2012	#101
I truly doubt after the fiasco of the 1990s that single-payer will ever	sinkingfeeling	Jun 2012	#102
I really won't care about getting single payer if my 24 year old daughter	kdmorris	Jun 2012	#103
"Democrats, IF they seize on this, can make some serious political hay out of this." Given the	RKP5637	Jun 2012	#104
Single Payer was the best thing about the entire idea.	Hubert Flottz	Jun 2012	#107
Goodbye, mandate... nt	Romulox	Jun 2012	#110
yeah, you're wrong.	WI_DEM	Jun 2012	#113
Kick...nt	SidDithers	Jun 2012	#114
Oops! Well that didn't happen.	bluestateguy	Jun 2012	#115
You, Scalia, and Clarence Thomas lose.	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#118

Response to stevedeshazer (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:23 PM

annabanana (45,537 posts)

1. There's a lot of death and pain to be had between

one and the other.

I cannot wish for that.

I hope the Supreme Court kills the Affordable Health Care Act. ALL of it.

1. There's a lot of death and pain to be had between

3. Exactly.... Many will die if this happens.

14. Many more will die if we DON'T. n/t

44. You do know "thrown out by SCOTUS" usually means "doesn't get touched for decades," right?

53. Exactly. nt

61. No, the billions health insurance are mandated to refund was the poison pill for private insurance.

77. Great Analysis.

52. Many are already going to die

62. Exactly.

71. please explain how the SC throwing this out will make the repukes vote for single payer.

108. I want to hear too.

79. And quite a few already have

2. I think you're wrong

7. Thanks, that's what I'm asking.

13. I think you underestimate how cruel republicans are

8. And present day Democrats are unrealiably too neo-liberal

105. Agreed

4. I'm not sure if I agree

23. We went from nothing to Medicare. What's the difference?

24. About 50 years.

38. Starting something new

5. so you are saying I should die?

9. Of course not. n/t

6. When my Niece is dying of her pre-existing condition, I'm sure she will

12. I want a health care system that covers your niece and everyone else regardless of pre-ex conditions

18. She may not live long enough for your solution.

22. I'm really sorry to learn that.

117. My Neice's cancer is was a cancer of the neurons.

19. And what will you say when she dies

70. the people who make these arguments most likely never stand to suffer the consequences of such bold

73. Exactly. Nor do they have family members

45. Funny thing about calling for something to happen; you get to accept the consequences of it. (nt)

21. Wow. You know that wasn't the intent. Can't you just express

25. If it is struck down, my neice will lose her insurance.

26. You were extremely civil.

116. I understand, but it could have been presented in a more civil tone.

37. He was far more civil than I would have been.

40. BS. Think bigger.

10. Single payer will not be on the table. I don't know what your smoking.

56. I am sick to death of you Debbie Downers proclaiming that Single Payer

60. Thank you.

85. People Do Have Insurance, But w/o ACA, the Insurance Doesn't Pay for "Preexisting Conditions"

11. Where do the votes for single payer come from??

41. You.

42. Believe me..it has my vote

82. I Am Not in Congress. Neither Are You

57. From very frightened Congresscritters once less than half the populace has any medical insurance

15. Yes you are wrong

31. +1

50. Maybe not 50 or 60 years. It's been happening about every 20 years.

109. But the ones in the past were political defeats

59. Another Debbie Downer here to piss in our Wheaties and proclaim

106. So, attacking the "Debbie Downers"...

112. Never said Healthcare reform is dead

75. Health care costs would be at or near 100% of GDP and/or only a small minority

111. The assertion that the supreme court declaring healthcare reform

16. That will "kill" alot of innocent individuals in the process.

17. We could have had, SHOULD have had single payer this time.

20. the CASE for single payer becomes stronger, but the current lineup in congress makes it impossible

27. When Hillary's plan went down in 1993 it only took 17 years for another try.

28. I believe the Dems will put up single payer.....

29. I don't.

30. I think you're wrong.

32. republicans have the alternative they have now. ignore their constituents

33. I understand where you are coming from

34. Those things you mentioned will stay in place regardless

35. I believe the fastest way to single payer will be for employers to stop offering health insurance

36. Republicans won't ever allow single payer. They do have an alternative

39. Yeah, thousands, tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands and possibly millions...

43. Do you currently have health insurance coverage?

64. Yes.

99. I admire your honesty

46. Yea another 20 years of escalating costs and decreasing services (except for the wealthy)

47. You are overestimating the average voter.

48. Back to nothing at all while we hash out getting it "perfect?"

49. You're entitled to your opinion but for the record I hope you're wrong

65. Of course it would be a huge disaster. It's not like I'm rooting for sick people to die.

68. I agree

51. Too many will have to suffer