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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:15 PM

Has the NRA purchased the contempt vote of 30 Democrats? This is what the allegation

is as reported on Tweety's show. The threat to defeat them in their next election seems to have them running with their tales between their legs.

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Reply Has the NRA purchased the contempt vote of 30 Democrats? This is what the allegation (Original post)
mfcorey1 Jun 2012 OP
spanone Jun 2012 #1
hack89 Jun 2012 #5
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #7
hack89 Jun 2012 #8
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #10
hack89 Jun 2012 #12
Hoyt Jun 2012 #35
hack89 Jun 2012 #37
Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #57
NickB79 Jun 2012 #65
Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #66
NickB79 Jun 2012 #67
Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #68
demosincebirth Jun 2012 #54
freshwest Jun 2012 #78
madashelltoo Jun 2012 #2
Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #58
madashelltoo Jun 2012 #61
Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #63
clang1 Jun 2012 #3
JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2012 #59
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #76
SoutherDem Jun 2012 #4
hack89 Jun 2012 #17
russspeakeasy Jun 2012 #26
hack89 Jun 2012 #32
Hoyt Jun 2012 #38
hack89 Jun 2012 #40
backscatter712 Jun 2012 #56
bongbong Jun 2012 #6
hack89 Jun 2012 #9
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #11
hack89 Jun 2012 #14
Paladin Jun 2012 #18
hack89 Jun 2012 #22
bongbong Jun 2012 #29
hack89 Jun 2012 #36
Hoyt Jun 2012 #43
LAGC Jun 2012 #46
hack89 Jun 2012 #48
Hoyt Jun 2012 #49
hack89 Jun 2012 #51
bongbong Jun 2012 #70
hack89 Jun 2012 #73
bongbong Jun 2012 #69
hack89 Jun 2012 #71
bongbong Jun 2012 #72
hack89 Jun 2012 #74
Paladin Jun 2012 #52
hack89 Jun 2012 #60
Kolesar Jun 2012 #27
hack89 Jun 2012 #31
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #13
hack89 Jun 2012 #16
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #19
hack89 Jun 2012 #25
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #44
LAGC Jun 2012 #47
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #75
hack89 Jun 2012 #79
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #80
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hack89 Jun 2012 #83
hack89 Jun 2012 #50
Bake Jun 2012 #62
baldguy Jun 2012 #20
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hack89 Jun 2012 #33
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hack89 Jun 2012 #39
baldguy Jun 2012 #41
hack89 Jun 2012 #42
Jack Sprat Jun 2012 #21
hack89 Jun 2012 #24
YoungDemCA Jun 2012 #15
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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:17 PM

1. it's embarassing the power they have in congress. it's also amazing we tolerate it.

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Response to spanone (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:25 PM

5. They energize and mobilize voters

the various gun control groups don't. It is as simple as that. There is no Democratic group that can act as a counterweight to the NRA when it comes to guns.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:56 PM

7. Sure, because

the paranoids really fall for their bullshit hook, line, and sinker.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:02 PM

8. If the Democratic party can't come to grips with the notion

that they will need the votes of millions of those paranoids to control congress and the White House and find a way to energize them instead of the NRA, then the future looks grim.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:07 PM

10. Then so be it.

Fuck the NRA. And all their bullshit. And their paranoid followers.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:10 PM

12. I happen to enjoy seeing Democrats in power

I may not feel as self righteous as you do but then I have kids whose future I care about. A future that requires good Democrats running our country.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:10 PM

35. Then reconsider praising NRA which promotes defeat of Obama and

Includes right wingers like Grover Norquist, Teddy Nugent, Wayne LaPierre, etc., among leadership.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:15 PM

37. Where have I praised the NRA? nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:39 AM

57. Seeing how many pro-2A Democrats can be found it is a disgrace

we don't have a Democrat version of the NRA that supports Democrats who are pro-2A and encourages Democrats who might consider gun bans as acceptable to change their views. Such a group needn't support a single Republican but would align with traditionally Democrat constituencies (union members, etc) that are also pro-2A.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #57)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:27 AM

65. Pro-2nd Amendment and supporting gun bans?

You really expect that to get more than a literal handful of gun owners, Democrat or otherwise, to sign up for?

What else you go? Pro-animal rights that supports slaughterhouses? Pro-organic foods for Monsanto?

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #65)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:34 AM

66. In artfully worded

Such a group would both supprt pro-2A Dems while working to change the policy views of Dems that support gun control.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #66)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:03 AM

67. Ah, ok. I mis-interpreted your post. Sorry bout that. nt

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #67)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:05 AM

68. No need for apologies. Your question was perfectly valid.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:23 AM

54. Big guns are a unifying force in this country.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:18 AM

78. Representative democracy means representatives do what their voters say. It's not wrong.

If this was about subsidizing crops, we wouldn't be having this argument. Those legislators are mandated to do what their voters want. They may commit political suicide or choose to retire when they are confronted by wing nut voters, but they are not impartial statemen.

Wing nuts vote consistently, they believe in the process more than cynical people who just say their legislature sucks and don't vote. You get what you vote for and what you don't vote against.

The representative were not 'bought off by the NRA.' They listened to their benighted citizenry. We all call up our represetatives and give them hell when they don't do what we want, or we vote them out. Same thing in red states.

The fact is that voting one's conscience is not what they are chiefly up there to do. We have a lot of people in this country that we may consider stupid, immoral and worthless human beings. But they are mobilized and they have convinced these guys to do this.

Look at their districts. They did exactly what the folks put them in office to do. We can sit in a blue district and look down on them. Those representatives reflect their state's values as shown by being elected. Nothing inconsistent.

It's not corruption. It's democracy, as ugly as it is sometimes. And it has been ugly with Tea Party people voting in people to do their bidding. No use getting mad at these guys; the NRA, the RNC, Rush, Beck and the rest did this.

For several reasons, we have trouble connecting with these people. That is why the Democratic Party is falling to the right, not just because of the GOP or being weak. We have not listened and found solutions to THEIR problems An example would be property taxes. I could make a thread on this, but I probably won't. Suffice it to say that the Democratic donkey is mostly an urban animal that is not that into these folks.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:18 PM

2. NRA letter said this contempt vote would be scored.

Sooooooooooo, if you vote NO to the contempt charge against Holder, they will be coming after you. Isn't that like . . . extortion or something? Blackmail? That does not sound legal at all.

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Response to madashelltoo (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:41 AM

58. Seriously?

Publicizing public votes on public events is NOT extortion anymore than the ACLU keeping score would be.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #58)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:58 AM

61. Not talking about publicizing the vote.

Talking about implying retribution for your vote.

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Response to madashelltoo (Reply #61)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:10 AM

63. Retribution or reward should follow votes

Sure, it's the NRA but in principle I wouldn't want anything less for a healthy, representative government.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:19 PM

3. If TRUE it is MORE CORRUPTION

 

and corruption being used to affect an election and it is MORE than just simple corruption. THE FUCKING CORRUPTION IS EVERYWHERE
and people are LOST in it.

REASON THAT OUT....IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. UNTIL YOU SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. UNTIL THEN, YOU ARE GRABBING AT SLITHERING SNAKES.

AND I SEE SNAKES EVERYWHERE, AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE.



THE FUCKING CORRUPTION=TREASON
One American has died directly because of this, how many Mexicans? How many are not DEAD YET?


POLITICAL CORRUPTION...






Meanwhile....The progresssion continues....

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Response to clang1 (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:43 AM

59. This is not corruption, this is "caving" to your constituents

If you represent a district with a large percentage of gun owners and NRA members, then you probably want a good NRA rating. First, of course, because you want to be re-elected someday, and second, because you were elected to represent those voters. That's representative democracy, not corruption.

If you accept money or jobs for you and your staff from pharmaceutical companies as a payoff for voting that Medicare should not be allowed to negotiate drug prices, THAT's corruption.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #59)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:08 AM

76. There's just one problem.

Holding Holder in contempt does nothing at all one way or another with regard to anyone's second-amendment rights.

This is blatantly the NRA telling Democratic congresspeople to toe the Republican line, on something completely irrelevant to anything other than the partisan interests of the organization. If they don't they get labeled as "gun grabbers," or part of the "brady bunch" or any of the other derogatory terms so popular with this group.

In other words, the NRA is stating that unless the congressperson sides with the party the NRA favors, the NRA will launch a campaign of deceit against them.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:20 PM

4. The NRA has power beyond belief

I don't know if I would call it "purchase" more like hold hostage.

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Response to SoutherDem (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:25 PM

17. Pretty amazing considering how few members they actually have.

you would think some progressive groups would figure it out and wield political power like that.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:45 PM

26. It's not the size of their membership, it's the size of their bankroll.

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Response to russspeakeasy (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:05 PM

32. How big is their bankroll compared to progressive groups or unions? nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:16 PM

38. I think with leadership that includes Grover Norquist, John Bolton, T Nugent, and

worse, they have a lot more power than you are willing to admit.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:20 PM

40. So it is because no prominent, powerful Democrats oppose the NRA view on guns

that the NRA is so powerful? It is all about personalities? OK,

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Response to SoutherDem (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:34 AM

56. Money in politics doesn't just mean legalized bribery, but also legalized extortion. n/t

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:29 PM

6. Gun-religionists

 

Guns are worshiped by many people, including some DU-ers.

Faith & irrational fear, unfortunately, usually trump logic & reason.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:06 PM

9. Millions of Democrats own guns.

if you want to win elections then you need to come to grips with that fact. If you sacrificial purity tests that leave Dems out of power for decades then carry on.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:08 PM

11. NRA = GOP

Pure and simple.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:14 PM

14. Yet millions of Democrats own guns and are not GOP

so why not make gun owners more welcome and neutralize the NRA? Call every gun owner a right wing NRA lover and pretty soon you will convince them that you are right. Why can't the Democratic party be the pro-2A party?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:26 PM

18. Big Difference Between Gun Owners And Gun Militants.

But you knew that already, didn't you?

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Response to Paladin (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:28 PM

22. No - what is the dividing line?

what do I have to believe to be a good Democratic gun owner? What specific laws or policies do I have to support?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:00 PM

29. Start

 

A good start would be to quit making posts that imply that more guns = less crime.

Which you do repeatedly, and get called on repeatedly, and deny doing. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over....

Those are things that I usually see only from repigs.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:14 PM

36. Please stop lying about me

I have told you several times - the only thing we can say with certainty is that more guns did not cause more gun violence.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=44667

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Response to hack89 (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:55 PM

43. Right. We might well be better off if we had put the brakes on a few decades ago.

Instead, the NRA and such will enable another 100 million guns to infiltrate our society over next decade. Sooner or latter we gotta bite the bullet and do something.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #43)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:23 AM

46. Way too late for that.

Pandora's box has already been opened. No way to shut it now.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #43)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:11 AM

48. So you do recognize that gun violence rates have and continue to deline? ok. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #48)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:32 AM

49. But not because more are packing. Think how much less violent crime would be

without so many lethal weapons available.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #49)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:55 AM

51. Think how many lives would be saved if we ban

alcohol. Or cigarettes.

What you want is impossible. It will never happen.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #51)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:25 PM

70. So just give up

 

I love the "logic" of gun religionists!

"People don't obey gun laws so why have 'em!?" (speeding laws aren't dropped because everybody breaks them)

"We'll never ban cigs or drinking so why do it with guns??" (we haven't cured cancer yet, so why treat new cases?)


It is literally ULTRA-HILARIOUS to read the spin and Bizarro World "logic" that gun-religionists carry around in their brains.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #70)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:23 PM

73. The rest of America has moved on.

the issue is dead. Here we are in a presidential election where gun control is never mentioned - doesn't that tell you something? That is why it is impossible - no one cares except those last few diehards like yourself.

What is ULTRA-HILARIOUS is watching people like you try to convince the world that you are still relevant. Now that is funny.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:19 PM

69. WRONG!

 

And I have pointed out = repeatedly = your lack of knowledge of basic statistics. Your gun-religion & faith have removed clear thinking from your brain!!!!!

I'll say it again - and type it slowly so you understand it - there could easily be other factors that lowered crime rates even lower than they are now, and guns brought them up from that level to today's rate.

I have told you this OVER & OVER & OVER & OVER, yet you keep LYING about it. STOP LYING!!!!!!

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Response to bongbong (Reply #69)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:48 PM

71. Yet you have been completely unable to provide any proof.

all that matters is that there are fewer gun deaths every year and you have never been safer. That is why you are one the losing side of history - your manufactured hysteria and outrage convinces nobody except a handful of die-hard gun grabbers. Gun control is a dead issue - the public has moved on.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #71)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:23 PM

72. As always - logic fail for you

 

We might very well be a lot safer without guns, as I've proven. You have proven nothing - except your ability to move goal posts constantly, that you don't understand statistics, that you repeat proven lies, and that you worship guns.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #72)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:29 PM

74. Lets look at your "logic" shall we?

you said:

guns brought them up from that level to today's rate.


Now the true measure of gun violence is number of people shot, wounded and killed. Those are hard numbers. In every case those numbers are lower now than they were 30 years ago - lower by about 40%. So how can guns have raised the level of gun violence when the only true measurement of gun violence shows lower absolute numbers and rates across the board?

Fewer people shot, fewer people killed. Explain to me how that raises gun violence rates.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:56 AM

52. There Are A Good Number Of Democratic Gun Owners.

The gun militancy movement is overwhelmingly right-wing, and you don't have to go to the NRA's site to confirm that---the DU Gungeon provides plenty of daily evidence. If you believe that the Obama administration poses any current or future threat to your ownership of guns, then you've moved from being a gun owner to being a gun militant.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #52)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:47 AM

60. There are extremists on both sides of the issue here at DU

to many here any support of guns in any fashion is proof of RW beliefs.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:49 PM

27. Naivety on display...eom

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:03 PM

31. Just reality - or are you not paying attention to what is happening in Congress?

how can Democratic voters be so swayed by the NRA that their congressmen will vote against Holder?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:14 PM

13. This isn't about gun ownership. I don't care that much about that issue.

This is about utter CT bullshit being blown out of proportion by the NRA and its cohorts. If any 9/11 Truth group had had the political power to force Congresspeople to vote for its baloney, it would be just as objectionable.

If the NRA were only about promoting responsible gun ownership, it would be one thing. I believe responsible gun owners recognize the need for common-sense gun regulations. But that's not what's going on here. It's rank woo ruling the day over at LaPierre's joint, and it stinks to high heaven.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:21 PM

16. So how am I to take the "gun-religionist" comment?

it is about guns for many here. There is a constant effort to conflate gun ownership with NRA support and to portray gun ownership as a RW phenomenon.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:30 PM

19. There are plenty of "Second Amendment Democrats," if that's a term.

And they are not conflatable with "Reagan Democrats." That's my personal take on it.

But how people can look at the out-of-control amount of guns flowing across our border to arm the drug cartels (not talking Fast and Furious, which was just a drop in the ocean current) and not recognize that we could use some serious and respectful gun control measures there is just astounding to me.

If people want to misrepresent your position here, there's nothing much you can do except state it again and again. There is a middle ground in the struggle over gun ownership in America, and it's up to all of us to keep that option open.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:35 PM

25. So American civil liberties must be curtailed because of out of control crime in Mexico?

we have achieved historically low levels of gun violence in America while liberalizing our gun laws yet because Mexico can't control their drug cartels, we have to take a step backwards? Don't think so.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:42 AM

44. Any liberty must be and is properly curtailed when it harms another. n/t

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #44)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:27 AM

47. Most of Mexico's illegal guns come from south of their border, not north.

The cartels are widely armed with military-grade arms that aren't available from civilian U.S. gun shops.

We need to end the War on Drugs that fuels the violence, not curtail the liberty of more people who have little to do with it.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:55 AM

75. The Mexican government estimates 2000 weapons a day cross our border into Mexico.

And there's nothing I've seen suggested to help cut that number down that would curtail the liberty of any responsible gun owner in the United States.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #75)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 09:43 AM

79. The issue is how those regulations are being implemented

I have no problem with legislation passed by Congress - it at least open to public opinion and influence. I disagree with regulations implemented by executive fiat. And that applies to every civil liberty, not just guns.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #79)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 06:15 PM

80. Regulations "implemented by executive fiat"? Hooboy.

You know as well as I do executive regulations are indeed open to public opinion and influence. Congress itself acts as a check on executive power.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #80)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 06:59 PM

81. When it comes to enumerated rights.

I want it to be harder and take longer. History tells us that once government assumes a power it never gives it back.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #81)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 07:10 PM

82. What right of yours is violated by any specific regulation attempting to curb 2000 weapons a day

across the Mexican border from America?

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #82)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:24 PM

83. I am talking about the process in general

not this particular instance.

Government is always able to find that one innocuous justification that seems reasonable. The question is what reasonable limits are there that prevent them from then implement more odious regulations. Hence the need to ensure the process is slow and deliberate.

There is no need for urgency in regards to Mexico. Mexico's drug wars are fed by much larger dynamics than guns from America. Theft, corruption and desertion in the army, for example, is how the cartels get their serious firepower. Besides the better solution is to legalize drugs, end the war on drugs and treat it as a public health problem. Win-win for both countries.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #44)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:50 AM

50. But only through legislation

that can pass the three criteria of strict scrutiny. Certainly not through executive fiat.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:59 AM

62. I'm a loyal Dem and gun owner.

I don't see the Democratic Party trying to take away my Smith & Wessons. But anybody who tries will be in a world of hurt.

And, by the way, I'm a law abiding Democrat.

Bake

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:39 PM

20. If you don't want to be treated as a gun-worshiper, the solution is simple.

Stop worshiping guns. If you don't want to be viewed as a crypto-fascist RW nutcase, stop promoting nutty, fascist RW policies. If you don't want your views conflated with the NRA, stop supporting their causes.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:29 PM

23. So what are good Democratic gun policies? nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:59 PM

28. It certainly isn't pretending that the GOP/NRA witch-hunt against Eric Holder

Is a valid, business-as-usual Congressional investigation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014112436#post7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014112436#post8

Or towing the GOP/NRA party line that having too many guns in circulation isn't a "real" problem:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014112436#post17

Or promoting the GOP/NRA LIE that this Fast & Furious bullshit is a scandal on par with Watergate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002832644#post25

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Response to baldguy (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:06 PM

33. I agree with you.

it is pure partisan politics. I certainly don't support it.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:09 PM

34. Then you're contradicting yourself.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:18 PM

39. No - what is happening with Holder is pure partisan politics

I asked you what gun policies are not RW. You said that I should not support RW gun policies - now I waiting for you to tell me what are acceptable Democratic gun policies.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:41 PM

41. People reading this should click on the links with your posts & judge for themselves.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:46 PM

42. No where have I supported the NRA's pressure on congress and their vote on Holder.

you were the one who said I shouldn't be supporting RW gun policies. Why is it so hard you you to give me straight answer as to exactly what I should be supporting?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:56 PM

21. I have a guns.

 

but I shit on the NRA. This group is a republican frontgroup who are going to spread lies against Democratic presidents regardless. When has Obama ever threatened anyone's right to own guns? Never, but the NRA still hates him and spreads lies regardless.
That's another reason I wouldn't join that craphole association.

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Response to Jack Sprat (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:29 PM

24. I agree with you about the NRA. nt

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Response to bongbong (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:16 PM

15. +1000

And it's not just logic and reason that are trumped by fear, but also empathy and compassion.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:01 PM

30. When the NRA says "we'll be watching".. it's less of a purchase than it is a threat

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:51 AM

45. The NRA is a domestic terrorist organization. nt

 

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:19 AM

53. They probalbly won their last election by razor thin margins

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:25 AM

55. No. The problem is that these congressman have constituencies that listen to the NRA

It's hard for some here to grasp, but these are areas in the country where a substantial portion of the population agrees with the NRA. If you accept the premise that a congressman's vote should largely reflect his constituency's views,...

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:15 AM

64. Profiles in Cowardice

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Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:15 AM

77. The NRA is a bully organization with bully at the helm.

Arms Corporations have a lot of lobbying money.

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