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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:03 PM

Is anybody here going to be extremely upset if the SCOTUS axes the mandate and only the mandate?

If that is all the Court nixes, I am not going to lose sleep over that. A new book by two political scientists has come to the conclusion that the mandate is a) not very enforceable anyway, b) only applicable to a small number of people and c) not a central part of this law anyway. Lawrence O'Donnell had one of the authors on his show recently to make this case.

If the Court kills anything else in the bill or the whole thing, that is obviously different, and bad.

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bluestateguy Jun 2012 OP
JoePhilly Jun 2012 #1
Vincardog Jun 2012 #2
elleng Jun 2012 #3
ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #4
snot Jun 2012 #6
snot Jun 2012 #5
madrchsod Jun 2012 #7
bluestateguy Jun 2012 #8
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #9
pa28 Jun 2012 #10
Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #11
Gormy Cuss Jun 2012 #12
Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #13
mmonk Jun 2012 #14
Raine Jun 2012 #15

Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:05 PM

1. If that's all that goes, I'm fine.

There are other ways to deal with the aspects that the mandate focuses on.

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:07 PM

2. The Mandate is the only thing I have a problem with.

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:12 PM

3. Not I. Its unenforceable anyway.

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:13 PM

4. I would not be extremely upset. I'll find something else to get outraged over. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:23 PM

6. +1

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:22 PM

5. Thank you. I personally would be relieved.

I want single payer, or failing that, public option, or failing that, almost anything . . .

but I do NOT like the precedent that I feel this mandate might be setting of gov't forcing us to buy stuff from essentially unregulated corps. It is NOT the same, to me, as a tax.

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:26 PM

7. what about social security and medicare?

these are mandates if one works for an employer.


if scalia has his way he`ll kill both programs.

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:29 PM

8. Not at issue here

If the bill had contained an employer mandate as Hillarycare did back in 1993, there would not be a constitutional problem. The government imposes all kinds of unfunded costs upon businesses in the US.

And SS and Medicare are government programs, not private services or products.

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:15 PM

9. No. The provision that allows my daughters to stay on our coverage until 25 is most important.

 

It would cost a SHITLOAD for them to get another plan.

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:26 PM

10. No. I think it's going to be struck down and possibly on a unanimous decision.

I'm perfectly fine with that because the mandate is a Republican idea at heart. I never liked it.

Unfortunately this court is so partisan I suspect they'll try to shoot down other parts of the law by association. That's what I'm worried about.

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:32 PM

11. The odious mandate is there to offset

these vultures not being able to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions (even though they can charge whatever the fuck they want).

I think we will all see unimaginable premium increases if that is determined to be severable.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:44 PM

12. That's the fear I hear repeatedly, that insurers will use it as an excuse to jack up premiums.

If they do that it will turn more people against Obama just in time for the election.
However, I hope that it would also pave the way for the Dems and Obama administration to reintroduce a strong public option.

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:09 PM

13. And how many will go without care

or file medical bankruptcy in the time it takes that sausage to be made.

Jut more faceless statistics for the collective campaign trails.

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:32 PM

14. Yes. Not because I like it or the ADA.

But because it might lay down the parameters of which Vermont can attempt their plan. Once Vermont gets the go ahead, then I will be hopeful of a system change.

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Response to bluestateguy (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:34 PM

15. Actually that's what I hoping for, I would be pleased. nt

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