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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:00 PM

Mitt Romney: I believe marriage is between one man and one woman...(great ad you should see)

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Reply Mitt Romney: I believe marriage is between one man and one woman...(great ad you should see) (Original post)
WillParkinson Jun 2012 OP
JoePhilly Jun 2012 #1
notadmblnd Jun 2012 #2
DeSwiss Jun 2012 #30
demwing Jun 2012 #36
DeSwiss Jun 2012 #42
NightWatcher Jun 2012 #3
Faux pas Jun 2012 #4
hifiguy Jun 2012 #5
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #6
notadmblnd Jun 2012 #7
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #9
Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #10
el_bryanto Jun 2012 #37
NightWatcher Jun 2012 #11
riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #13
notadmblnd Jun 2012 #14
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #21
notadmblnd Jun 2012 #34
WillParkinson Jun 2012 #18
GodlessBiker Jun 2012 #35
ohheckyeah Jun 2012 #22
laundry_queen Jun 2012 #24
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #25
ohheckyeah Jun 2012 #26
ohheckyeah Jun 2012 #26
ohheckyeah Jun 2012 #26
braddy Jun 2012 #32
surrealAmerican Jun 2012 #8
Rex Jun 2012 #12
Bake Jun 2012 #19
Rex Jun 2012 #20
randome Jun 2012 #15
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #23
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #16
ljm2002 Jun 2012 #17
RZM Jun 2012 #29
WillParkinson Jun 2012 #31
RZM Jun 2012 #33
demwing Jun 2012 #39
RZM Jun 2012 #41
spanone Jun 2012 #38
el_bryanto Jun 2012 #40

Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:03 PM

1. Ouch.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:08 PM

2. he has his 3rd great grandmother's eyes

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:17 AM

30. 3rd from the left.....

...or the right?

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #30)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:56 AM

36. Lol...wait

3rd from the L or R in a field of 5...isn't that the same Sister Grandmother

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Response to demwing (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 05:42 PM

42. Hehehehehe.....

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:11 PM

3. Sending to my Fundie family.

They're having a hard time defending him.

I'm loving it.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:17 PM

4. LMAO! Thank you, will be spreading this far and wide.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:19 PM

5. Ow. That is gonna leave a mark.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:20 PM

6. Okay, come on now...

Willard here has done plenty of stupid, deceitful, disqualifying shit all on his own. We're not lacking for ammo to fire at the guy. We don't need to fire the anti-Mormon salvo. Much less use the corpses of his dead great-grandmothers as ammo for that.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:29 PM

7. No, you come on now....

if you feel you need to take the high road then you go right on ahead. But don't come and chide people because they choose not to.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:37 PM

9. Will you go after Lieberman's Judiasm when his comes up for another election?

I mean hey, he's a total sellout asshole, and practically a republican on every issue anyway. Let's rev up that engine, I'm sure it'll take us on a nice trip, right?

When it comes to shit Romney himself has ACTUALLY DONE, by all means, fling all the shit you want. No holds barred. However, throwing out mass demonization of a whole religion and everyone under it, and digging up people who haven't been alive for the greater part of a century to try to tie their beliefs to the candidate you don't like isn't how we do things.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:42 PM

10. I think we should start ridiculing the religion of every elected official...

 

I find it troubling that we have elected leaders that believe in absurd shit like invisible men in the sky, talking snakes, ruling your own planet after death, virgin births, aliens inside our souls, etc, etc, etc.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:56 AM

37. Would you feel comfortable de facto barring religious people from holding office?

In the same way that, in many current communities, atheists and non-believers are shamefully barred from holding office?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:43 PM

11. To be fair, Lieberman's "religion" wasnt invented by a convicted fraudster less than 200 years ago

I think Mitt's "religion" should definitely be in play, especially when we get to ask "Christians" how they can vote for someone who is not exactly christian. It's a funny thing to watch fundies who purport to be religious support a cult follower over Obama (he's black) even though Obama goes to Christian church.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:52 PM

13. I read it as Mitt being so stupid to say something like this when his own family history

is demonstrably different, when he knows damn well polygamy has been a historical reality for "thousands" of years....

I didn't see it as a religious slam, more like an observation of his own idiocy.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:53 PM

14. I didn't go after anyone's religion.

I said you take the high road if you like but don't chide others if they don't. Not every trip one takes in life ends up being a nice one. Do you troll the conservative boards chiding those that attack Obama's religion? Probably not, so why do it here on behalf of Rmoney?






PS on a technical note, The Mormon church no longer believes in plural marriage in the worldly life. The LDS church gave that up in order to become a state in the union (I guess they wanted that more than they wanted to obey their god).

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:30 AM

21. Actually, I do.

At least, when I can stomach being around them for more than twenty minutes. And it's not trolling, it's upholding standards.

One of Romney's great grandfathers had a second wife? Okay, how does that matter in the least now? Does Mittens follow great grandpappy's example? Is there another wife besides Ann? If not, then what bearing do his long-dead grandparents have on anything today? At the VERY MOST, we can surmise that one of those four grandads didn't exactly share his great-grandson's views. Well, whoopty-doo.

What i'm saying is we have plenty to pin on Romney, and I'm sure he's going to give us even more to play with in the next few months. All that efforts to gin up anti-Mormon sentiment against him are going to do is make us look like republicans - who as you so noted, love to play that game.

Pin Romney with his actual positions. Not the positions of some long-dead ancestors.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:43 AM

34. Again, I made no disparaging remarks in regards to Rmoney's religion

but I'm also not going to come here and give people a lesson in what is appropriate or proper. you are free to uphold your standards for yourself, but there is no need for a self appointed Standards Cop. If you feel that a post is inappropriate, you can alert and let a jury decide the outcome.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:09 PM

18. That's not what this is about (in my opinion)...

He said this is how it's been for 3 thousand years. Yet in his own family that's not how it was. He's got no issues going after MY family by saying my marriage isn't legitimate, I'm sorry, I have no issue showing him that his family ties are fodder for falsifying his own statements.

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Response to WillParkinson (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:53 AM

35. +1,000

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:42 AM

22. Did the irony

part your hair as it zoomed right over your head?

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:50 AM

24. LOL nt

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:50 AM

25. Mitt is factually wrong.

We can express that fact without digging up dead people and going "LOL MORMONISM!" I'm aware that Mormons generally don't vote Democratic, but it's still a really shitty, low tactic that appeals to the lowest common denominator.

I think we should be better than that.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:07 AM

26. And I think in a world

full of real disasters and serious issues the ability to laugh at something ironic and stupid is priceless.

While you sit in the corner and contemplate how "we should be better than that" some of the rest of us will have a good laugh and probably sleep better for it.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:07 AM

26. dupe n/t

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:07 AM

26. dupe n/t



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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:01 AM

32. Romney has personally excommunicated mormons.

Bishop Romney can handle being discussed.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:34 PM

8. He must have had more than five.

If his parents and grandparents were in the sort of marriage that's "between a man and a woman", then he would have had four.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:48 PM

12. 3000 years of recorded history?

So what about the other 7000 years Mitt? Care to talk about it?

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Response to Rex (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:34 PM

19. At first I thought THAT *was* the joke, then I saw the punch line at the bottom.

Only 3,000 years? Wow.



Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:42 PM

20. Yeah I was confused as to what was the actual joke

was!

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:01 PM

15. I think it's possible Romney may end up dropping out.

Why should the Republicans run a candidate when they KNOW they will lose? I'm not an optimist, this is just speculation.

But I think it's possible. Every week that goes by, Romney & Co. look worse and worse.

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:45 AM

23. They did it with Dole and McCain.

Though in both cases, at least those guysh ad the "grumpy veteran" appeal, whereas Mitt's a worse draft-dodger than they ever accused Clinton of being...

Hmmmm. Good question, actually

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:14 PM

16. Does he strap his to the roof?

 

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:19 PM

17. Too funny! K&R n/t

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:16 AM

29. I really don't see what's so great about it

 

This is little more than a joke about Mormon history. I don't see how Romney's great-grandparents are relevant in a discussion about Mitt's opposition to marriage equality. Mitt is not a polygamist, he was not raised by polygamists, and AFAIK, he has never given any indication that he supports polygamy.

Two months ago, the president was on the record saying that marriage is between 'one man and one woman,' which he said as late as 2008 in an interview with Rick Warren.

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/President/US/Barack_Obama/Views/Gay_Marriage/

For all of the much-deserved criticism the president got while he was 'evolving,' I can't ever recall anybody bringing up the fact that his paternal grandfather had multiple wives. Maybe some people did, but I don't think anybody would have considered it a 'gotcha moment.'

I'm not seeing how this any different. Mitt's opposition to marriage equality should be criticized on its own (lack of) merit. I don't see the need to bring up what his family was doing in the 19th century.

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Response to RZM (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:56 AM

31. As I said upthread...

He said this is how it's been for 3 thousand years. Yet in his own family that's not how it was. He's got no issues going after MY family by saying my marriage isn't legitimate, I'm sorry, I have no issue showing him that his family ties are fodder for falsifying his own statements.

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Response to WillParkinson (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:39 AM

33. Except his great-grandfather's marriages weren't recognized as legitimate

 

Wasn't that a big reason why Mormons bounced around from place to place and why Romney's family decided to move to the middle of the desert in Mexico? Their multiple marriages were not recognized as legal. Eventually they weren't even recognized as legitimate by the Mormon church itself.

I think what he's talking about here are legally recognized marriages. Of course he's fully aware that polygamy has always been around. But saying you're married to 5 people isn't the same as have all five marriages recognized by the state or a church. For most of recorded Western history, legally and religiously sanctioned marriages have indeed been between one man and one woman. I think that's what he meant. His great-grandfather may have lived like he had five wives, but from a legal standpoint he had one wife and four mistresses.

I certainly understand your hostility towards his opposition to marriage equality. I share it too. All I'm arguing is that his family history is no more relevant than the president's was when he was saying pretty much the same thing. Nobody was arguing that the president didn't have a leg to stand on because his grandfather had multiple wives. They were arguing he didn't have a leg to stand on because opposing marriage equality is unfair discrimination. I don't see why it should be any different with Romney.

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Response to RZM (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:59 AM

39. But all 5 marriages were recognized by a church

right?

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Response to demwing (Reply #39)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:41 AM

41. I think so. The Mormom church stopped recognizing polygamous marriages in 1890

 

But these occurred before that. So I assume they were recognized.

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:58 AM

38. k&r...

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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:01 AM

40. My Great Grandfather on my Mothers side had 3 wives I believe

I'm at work so don't have book in front of me. Spent time incarcerated because of it. I guess I shouldn't run for office either (although in fairness, i'm likely to make such a stupid statement as that. It's clearly been 6,000 years of recorded history, unless Mitt doesn't consider the Bible "recorded history." (actually I think that there should be no government marriage, no matter the genders of the people involved; civil unions should be granted to everybody, straight or gay, and they should be fixed to provide the same legal benefits that marriage provides currently)).

Bryant

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