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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:06 PM

 

I shouldn't be forced to buy for-profit health ins.

If SCOTUS votes to uphold the ACA they are locking in place a for-profit system forever.

This is wrong.

We should have what Europe, Canada and Australia have.

Obamacare is nothing more than a warmed over Republican solution.

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Reply I shouldn't be forced to buy for-profit health ins. (Original post)
matmar Jun 2012 OP
madokie Jun 2012 #1
ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #2
sharp_stick Jun 2012 #5
cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #3
Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #7
cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #9
Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #11
Control-Z Jun 2012 #16
Ruby the Liberal Jun 2012 #13
Fumesucker Jun 2012 #4
Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #14
Fumesucker Jun 2012 #17
leftyohiolib Jun 2012 #6
MineralMan Jun 2012 #8
matmar Jun 2012 #15
southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #10
RoccoR5955 Jun 2012 #12

Response to matmar (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:08 PM

1. I think you need to educate yourself as to what the mandate mandates

I'm not going to try to do that but if you look you can find the information and at the present you misunderstand. My 2 cents

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Response to matmar (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:08 PM

2. What will they do to you if you don't buy the insurance? nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:12 PM

5. Straight into the Obama

FEMA concentration camps where the Obama Death Panels will adjudicate the seriousness of the offence and decide what to do with the organs.


because if the smilie ain't there some dim bulb isn't going to be able to figure it out.

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Response to matmar (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:08 PM

3. You aren't forced to buy anything. Try re-reading the ACA.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:13 PM

7. I'd say that making someone pay a fine if they don't do something is the same as forcing them to

do it.

I once forgot to paste my car license renewal tags on before the old ones expired. A traffic cop noticed, and I had to pay a fine. In effect, I am forced to pay for and paste on new license plate tags every year.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:17 PM

9. Luckily your view of reality isn't the same as actual reality.

You have a choice, buy health insurance or pay a fine.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:20 PM

11. Your view of "actual reality" is not one I have encountered before

Most people would say that applying a penalty for not doing something is the same as forcing you to do something.

But I realize that different principles may apply on your planet.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:37 PM

16. If you don't pay the fine

there are no consequences. That is how it is written. The fine is negligible as it is, but for those who can't afford the fine or just refuse to pay, there are no consequences. You should read it (the ACA).

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:21 PM

13. Do you have a choice of which for-profit company you pay those renewals to?

But then again, that is why this is before SCOTUS. There *isn't* an existing example of how we already do it in this instance.

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Response to matmar (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:12 PM

4. The mandate is unenforceable..

But it's the most important piece of legislation since the Magna Carta..

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:25 PM

14. You are correct, the "fee/penalty" is unenforceable.

 

There are only civil penalties defined in the law (no criminal penalties) and the government can make a finding that you owe the fee/penalty but they cannot do anything to collect - no levies, no liens, no garnishments, etc. So why have it?

‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Sec- retary shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the pen- alty imposed by this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.’’.

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Response to Swede Atlanta (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:38 PM

17. And yet this is the hill the Democratic party chooses to die on..

And the mandate is the critical part of the legislation..

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Response to matmar (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:12 PM

6. no you should be able to go thru life without it and let every else pay for your hospital visits.

 

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Response to matmar (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:17 PM

8. Uh, single payer also includes a mandate.

In fact, it's even more of a mandate; it's a tax. That's how it works in those places you mentioned. Who did you think pays for health care there?

Subsidies for the poor. Payments are based on income. It's, you know, a progressive premium, just like income taxes used to be.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:26 PM

15. I'm against a for-profit mandate going to a private co.

 

I'm all for a mandate to pay a tax to fund healthcare for all......like Medicare For All.

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Response to matmar (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:17 PM

10. Well here it is. Don't buy it. My son is home and is sick and needs to see a doctor. He

 

owes the doctor money. He is a cook and money goes so far. I mean tests cost alot. He has health insurance through work but it is terrible. We usually end up paying for their medicines. To be honest I am sick and tired of having to do that. Really am. He needs to see the doctor and he won't see him. I don't know how much he owes but he is the only one working in his house. What are people suppose to do? His wife had to take her son to the ER the other night because he got hit on his arm and he thought it was broke. His natural father doesn't have insurance on him. My son has put him on his insurance. Going to the ER is going to cost over $1,000 for that visit. My son told his wife he would not pay it. The natural father gives him only $40.00 a per month to help pay for his insurance and that isn't all the time. I told my son that he would end up being responsible he didn't make it clear that he has to pay part of his out of pocket bills. It is crazy. Crazy. We need health care people can afford.

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Response to matmar (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:20 PM

12. But if you don't buy it, the poor insurance companies

will go broke. Isn't EVERYTHING supposed to be for the profit of SOMEONE?

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