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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:33 PM

Waldo fire, Co. Springs is out of control & law requires private companies only fight it

until they exhaust their resources.

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Reply Waldo fire, Co. Springs is out of control & law requires private companies only fight it (Original post)
Quixote1818 Jun 2012 OP
DearAbby Jun 2012 #1
cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #2
Quixote1818 Jun 2012 #3
Larkspur Jun 2012 #4
bongbong Jun 2012 #5
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #6
hlthe2b Jun 2012 #9
Autumn Jun 2012 #11
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #12
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #7
hlthe2b Jun 2012 #8
Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #10
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #13

Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:37 PM

1. IDIOTIC

And life threatening..Stingy greedy bastards. Didn't think it through huh? Socialism works in certain cases.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:41 PM

2. Luckily they have the Federal Govt to bail them out.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:44 PM

3. Only in this case hundreds of houses had to burn first


Had the Federal Gov. been able to fight the fire with their giant tankers they might have stopped it before it really got out of control. Hard to say with all the drought and high winds though. Almost nothing can stop a fire under those conditions.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:51 PM

4. Too bad we can't just let the homes of the "Me First Screw Everyone Else"

anti-government mob burn and spare the rest.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:58 PM

5. A bittch

 

Karma and/or schadenfeude (sp) is a bitch.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:58 PM

6. Le me correct this

the way that fire goes, until the local and state government exhausts resources the FEDS cannot get involved... it has to do with Posse Comitatus to be precise. And that only goes for the MILITARY... the Federal Fire Service IS involved up to it's neck already.

Translation, this means deploying C-130s

Now the GOVERNOR, could very well mobilize his Guard elements, some of which may even have a C-130 or two

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:10 PM

9. It isn't as thought this is the first fire.These steps were take near 3 weeks ago for High Park fire

near Ft. Collins and have essentially been anticipated/quickly implemented for the others.

Our governor has been ON it. He's coordinated with neighboring governors for their Nat. Guard resources as well as our own and was instrumental in getting a level 1 incident management team into Ft. Collins within days of the fire and they were critical in getting those retardant plane assets from Canada, since ours are in short supply. Further, he has managed to get the DOD to start converting their available air assets to the task as well.

Say what you will for Hickenlooper. It appears he is doing a very good job as the Governor on this whole disaster. And, I see no reason to complain as yet on the Federal response as well.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:18 PM

11. Thank you for the correction Did you know that we only have 4 C-130s in the country?

When I heard that it blew me out of the water. I've seen number three fly over 3 times today.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:04 AM

12. Taht is one reason Canada has sent a couple

that started flying missions today...

let me try to find a link to that by the way, BIL told me this, his brother is in the area

Here

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jN2JE3s7on2Lbuhrueg-E3gcwsfQ

Wyoming diverted personnel and aircraft from two fires there to help with a 64-square-mile wildfire in northern Colorado. Canada also lent two aerial bombers to fight the Colorado blaze following the recent crash of a U.S. tanker in Utah. And an elite federal firefighting crew arrived to try to begin containing a fire that destroyed at least 118 structures.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:39 PM

7. Let me further correct info

Northcom is involved.

http://calfire.blogspot.com/

That is DOD.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:05 PM

8. NOT PRIVATE companies, the LOCAL fire departments... Local and state resources are used (along with

Federal forest service resources) before additional Federal or Guard or military resources are provided. But, this is fairly continuous and almost done in parallel now that there are 10 major fires in Colorado. It isn't as though they sit around with no response waiting for Federal/DOD/Guard assets to be deployed. Once an assessment that local and state resources are inadequate for control/containment, steps are taken to move Federal resources into place. The state's emergency management group and governor's office are in continuous contact with Federal and cross-state authorities to ensure those resources are provided. The largest of the fires, that outside Fort Collins has had a level one FEDERAL incident management team in place and ensuring all necessary resources are provided since day 2 of the fire.

This is also how FEMA requests work for hurricanes and other natural disasters, but again, because the risk for additional fires is so high, the FEDS and DOD resources are not being delayed. Daily the FEDS are reevaluating the situation, not only in Colorado and New Mexico, but throughout the west and pre-planning deployment of these resources.

And no, the fire departments locally in COlorado Springs as well as in the other fire areas are NOT private companies. They are tax-payer supported local departments, despite the RW anti-tax policies.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:21 PM

10. This is what the Liberterians wanted.

 

They get EXACTLY what they want. While I wish NOTHING but the best to those who are affected, but the Republicans have now overplayed their one pair of twos in terms of poker, and left it wide open for everyone to see - and now it's beginning to AFFECT them.

I was just looking at one "privatized" fire department in Grants Pass, Oregon on Youtube.

The compentency of the fire department was unmeasurably stupid.

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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:11 AM

13. The OP was wrong in so many ways

read the read of the thread

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