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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:07 PM

Some Solutions To The Wildfires And Such

Had we been applying common sense solutions over the last 30 years we would be minimizing these wild fires.
Here are some common sense solutions.

Determine what health forest systems look like and manage them in a way to reduce unwanted fuels.
Make a national effort to clear beetle killed and other dead trees.

Make sensible steps to mitigate climate change where we can by reducing our dependence on fossil fuels.
Develop cleaner energy sources.

Review zoning laws where development or building occurs in fire prone areas. Red zone the most dangerous areas. And put in place fire prevention and mitigation as the first priority in developement in other forest areas.
Make it code to use fire retardant and fire resistant materials where ever possible in all buildings.
Create as much open area around structures as possible to make every dwelling defensible.
Create road systems that act a natural fire lines in these areas that service the developments.
Establish evacuation routes that are well marked and accessible.
Beef up local response teams so they can respond to a fire within even minutes. The first hours are the most critical.

Train the homeowner in forest fire areas how to self protect themselves and their property. Establish neighborhood protection plans in case of forest fire threat.

Expand the fire bomber fleet to at least 30 planes nationally. And have a standby reserve of smaller aircraft able to get into more inaccessible locations. Pass legislation or issue executive orders that will allow quick military firefighting response teams to engage quickly.

Set up a fair tax system to pay for the needed fire protection.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:12 PM

1. The Colorado Springs talking heads were saying last night

that areas where fire abatement had been taken seriously were largely intact. Only places that allowed a lot of trees and other vegetation around houses had been destroyed.

Sensible landscaping will increase someone's chance of keeping his home. Unfortunately, it doesn't look that pretty to too many homeowners.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:14 PM

2. Few of these solutions will offer a drop of help in the immediate future.

We are dealing with decades of poor policy but your attitude towards those suffering today in your two previous threads is what is reaping you scorn.

Few here could not voice chapter and verse (even if they have little background in forestry and resource management) on the regressive policies that have gotten us here today. It is a noteworthy subject for discussion, but it hardly does anyone good to be finger-wagged about it right now, all the while you are saying essentially to let Colorado burn because there are locales that are governed by RW policies and attitudes.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:23 PM

3. Why don't you have the guts to respond to your own threads? nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:11 AM

5. Indeed. Apparently not much into dialogue. (nt)

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:25 PM

4. Sensible forest management

 

allow or even start regular fires under controlled circumstances (not during a drought for instance) to clear out the underbrush and ultimately make the forests healthier.

Zone those areas immediately around the forests in some way. Either ban construction or allow up with the caveat that you're taking a risk and there will be regular fires in your vicinity.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:25 AM

6. or let a whole city burn cause you do not like some of their politics/religion? nt

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:00 AM

7. You forgot to add the devastation caused by infestations of the mountain pine beetle

This pest is a native that kills lodgepole, ponderosa, sugar and white pines - perfect fuel for raging wildfires.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:51 AM

8. "common sense" is often code for "elect republicans"

...which also has sometimes elusive practical applications.

Managing forests to reduce unwanted fuels is easy to say, but would involve spending billions of dollars on optimizing billions of acres of forest in ways that often had no financial return. And you'd still have fires every time there was a drought, and climate change stills threatens the whole thing.

Beetle-kill is often invoked as threatening devastating fires, but is far less of a problem than drought. Beetle-kill has been endemic and growing since 1996 (beginning in Canada), but has resulted in no devastating fires. Simply put - live and newly dead trees carry more fuel and burn more explosively than dead trees.

The rest is good idea, and more or less being applied in practice or in the works. The thing is - you still have fires every year, and in drought years you'll have larger fires. We tried complete fire control in the last century and it turned out to work pretty poorly.

Not to just give someone a hard time, but the whole "common sense" thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth - usually its followed by oversimplification or outright error.

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