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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original post)	TheMastersNemesis	Jun 2012	OP
We have DUers living there, you do realize.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#1
Thank you for this post...	YoungDemCA	Jun 2012	#111
This message was self-deleted by its author	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#2
Ayup!!! +1,000!	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#51
what about the non RWer's homes and lives? not everyone who lives there is a RW douche.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#166
This message was hidden by jury decision.	CokeMachine	Jun 2012	#170
I don't care about who victims of natural disasters vote for. I have sympathy for them all...	Violet_Crumble	Jun 2012	#3
On the other side of the world?	DiverDave	Jun 2012	#5
Maybe you should write an outraged letter to the IRS?	Violet_Crumble	Jun 2012	#10
Canada has sent fire crews & much needed cargo planes that drop retardant to the now 10 record fires	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#12
This message was self-deleted by its author	CokeMachine	Jun 2012	#172
I'd rather my tax dollars go to those impacted by disasters like this than into the military machine	uppityperson	Jun 2012	#174
+1	Gormy Cuss	Jun 2012	#116
+	struggle4progress	Jun 2012	#119
And just how much will it cost the rest of us?	DiverDave	Jun 2012	#4
Hahahahahaha. "Aston-A Community That Cares". You sure live up to your town's motto. Not.	uppityperson	Jun 2012	#175
if they don't pay for fire protection, why are government workers digging the fire breaks?	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#6
because we, as a society, don't like	BlueToTheBone	Jun 2012	#7
i wasn't suggesting they shouldn't, i was just wondering which gov't workers were	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#8
These are the good fairy workers	BlueToTheBone	Jun 2012	#11
The fairies and elves have other ideas on that	JHB	Jun 2012	#84
I don't live in CO Springs, but they have not privatized their fire departments which are involved,	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#27
Fire Department can not be privatized because it can not be a profitable business	kemah	Jun 2012	#32
That is an experiement that was undertaken in a Texas community--Keith Olbermann reported on this	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#42
That was NOT a private fire department	metalbot	Jun 2012	#154
They were back in Colonial days.	MADem	Jun 2012	#168
Some threads here sound like Falwell and Robertson blaming 9/11 on the gays and minorities.	nanabugg	Jun 2012	#59
Someone reported that on Free Republic there is speculation that	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#75
No words!!! nt	nanabugg	Jun 2012	#80
i didn't 'speak' about anything, i asked a question. thanks for the unwarranted scolding	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#87
Embedded in your "question" was a very wrong assertion.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#89
no assertions at all were embedded. perhaps this will give you a clue:	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#91
Your quote in your original post #6 was the one I was responding to:	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#96
i understand that. & the post i linked was my clarification to another poster who	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#97
You predicated your "then" statement on that argument....	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#98
the predicate is conditional on the if clause being true. there's no assertion that it is.	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#99
It would be really nice if you could move from a fixation on syntax to actual compassion...	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#100
it would be nice if you would stop putting words in people's mouths & stop arguing that	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#101
You are not worth the effort.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#102
excuse me, but your response to me began by false attribution and attack. when	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#103
I feel sick about the animals there, wild and domestic	magical thyme	Jun 2012	#9
This is a sick thread. n/t	B2G	Jun 2012	#13
My feeling exactcaly.....	Meg_Griffin_1	Jun 2012	#82
Well .. in all fairness: The original poster did hit upon one of the tenets of right wing foolerery	Trajan	Jun 2012	#145
If there is any lesson in this fire, it's that Mitt RMoney shouldn't talk about firing firemen. nt	MADem	Jun 2012	#169
-1 unrec. nt	NCTraveler	Jun 2012	#14
RWers would let the largely African American New Orleans population "drown" post Katrina...	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#15
Hypocrisy, or payback?	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#52
with that attitude it is clear you think only of yourself.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#54
But they did pay taxes--every time they went to the store, they paid sales taxes.	MADem	Jun 2012	#171
Well, you have become that which you hate,	MadHound	Jun 2012	#16
What goes around comes around	pscot	Jun 2012	#43
Well said.	cyberswede	Jun 2012	#113
good post. nt	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#123
i don't often agree with you. i sure do on this post.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#158
Do you have sympathy for the children affected by these fires?	Cali_Democrat	Jun 2012	#17
You have 'othered' republicans to the point of sociopathy in this post.	RadiationTherapy	Jun 2012	#18
Gracious, Would You Look At The Outrage.	Paladin	Jun 2012	#25
I did not see that thread. I saw this one.	RadiationTherapy	Jun 2012	#48
if i had seen it, i would have. that does not take away from the ugliness of this OP. nt	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#124
They have "othered" themselves	pscot	Jun 2012	#47
Are you saying the citizens near this fire are so inhumane that it is	RadiationTherapy	Jun 2012	#49
How is it unethical	pscot	Jun 2012	#55
How is it unethical to let the largest, most destructive fire	RadiationTherapy	Jun 2012	#58
Let's face it - some DUers are OK with 100 liberals suffering	Dreamer Tatum	Jun 2012	#62
Their lenses need polishing, in my opinion.	RadiationTherapy	Jun 2012	#66
I want to believe that is a joke	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#79
because not everyone there is like that for fucks sake!	frylock	Jun 2012	#86
they have children,innocents, and liberals there too, for christ's sake.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#159
This message was self-deleted by its author	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#161
Seriously.	aquart	Jun 2012	#88
I'd wager paychecks that plenty of the firefighters vote GOP	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#19
I think your post is mean and over the top	Marrah_G	Jun 2012	#20
If they vote to cut money for fire fighters then ...	Ganja Ninja	Jun 2012	#21
HOI already reflects the quality of local fire fighting assets	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#22
This might be a point where you need to step back from the keyboard and spend some time in the real	WhollyHeretic	Jun 2012	#23
there a people down there fighting the good fight	fizzgig	Jun 2012	#24
This message was self-deleted by its author	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#26
Yup.. just like the RWers who wanted New Orlean's black residents to drown. How very "progressive"	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#28
+1	Nydari	Jun 2012	#37
I deleted it, I posted out of anger.	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#38
Thank you...	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#39
No one deserves this fire	newfie11	Jun 2012	#29
self-delete	kentuck	Jun 2012	#30
^^^Before a jury gets this, kentuck lives in Colorado Springs^^^	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#31
"Before a jury gets this"	Nuclear Unicorn	Jun 2012	#35
There are good liberals that lost their homes...	kentuck	Jun 2012	#36
Yikes	Marrah_G	Jun 2012	#41
Major pain in the ass	rufus dog	Jun 2012	#74
Hang in there, kentuck...	Gormy Cuss	Jun 2012	#118
damn straight. it is a disgustingly inhuman OP. and it stands. i didnt read your	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#125
Best post in this piece of shit thread. We have to breathe this	Autumn	Jun 2012	#34
I am so sorry you all are going through this	Marrah_G	Jun 2012	#44
We are doing okay. Trying to stay indoors. At times the smoke is really bad	Autumn	Jun 2012	#140
Ditto	B2G	Jun 2012	#45
are you there too? i have been following, and i feel for all of you. it is horrible	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#126
Wow, so you're hoping all of their children lose their homes too?? That's pretty twisted.	cbdo2007	Jun 2012	#33
I really hope your family makes it through all this okay	Marrah_G	Jun 2012	#40
Family is safe but the fires are just now reaching their neighborhood :(	cbdo2007	Jun 2012	#150
Oh no	Marrah_G	Jun 2012	#151
ah, i am so sorry. nt	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#157
This reminds me of a story about a weather reporter in Botswana in the 1980s	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#46
This state is HOME	DearAbby	Jun 2012	#50
that is heartbreaking abby.	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#128
Less 5 miles from my friends house	Rambis	Jun 2012	#53
that is devastating and the uncaring of the Op was heartless.	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#129
This is really horrible	Ednahilda	Jun 2012	#56
Of course there have been casualties. The largest fire near Ft. Collins on day 18 has had one human	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#64
Sorry!	Ednahilda	Jun 2012	#68
No, I was just trying to educate...	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#69
Disgusting OP, imo n/t	Spazito	Jun 2012	#57
Did they vote to not have a fire department?	4th law of robotics	Jun 2012	#60
No. Even if they had, this does not just impact RW residents- this is a state-wide disaster.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#61
I remember when CoSpgs was a really nice place.	kestrel91316	Jun 2012	#63
It is still a beautiful place and there are STILL a lot of very good people living there.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#65
i'm with you. many posts in this thread are disgusting. to quote Eddie Vedder;	dionysus	Jun 2012	#167
I have to agree with other posters...	Swede Atlanta	Jun 2012	#67
I LOVE Colorado Springs	aint_no_life_nowhere	Jun 2012	#70
I grew up there in the '50s, left in 1961.	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#93
A very ugly drop and flee sort of post,	MineralMan	Jun 2012	#71
When this fire is over and the people have to pick up the pieces, somebody	kestrel91316	Jun 2012	#72
DU has really gone downhill.	FedUpWithIt All	Jun 2012	#73
agreed. i cannot believe we have this OP stand as fellow duers are going thru this experience.	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#130
I agree except for the part about having no sympathy.	Ian David	Jun 2012	#76
Spend what it takes to put the fire out.	hifiguy	Jun 2012	#77
Contortionist, right-wing style	Raggaemon	Jun 2012	#78
Welcome to DU, Raggaemon	Arugula Latte	Jun 2012	#81
Thanks	Raggaemon	Jun 2012	#94
Of course Rep. Lamborn and all those asshats	OrwellwasRight	Jun 2012	#173
This message was self-deleted by its author	katsy	Jun 2012	#83
my very progressive friend and his family moved to the springs last year for work..	frylock	Jun 2012	#85
Your post is disgusting	_ed_	Jun 2012	#90
This is a very, very mean post.	Blue_In_AK	Jun 2012	#92
Very mean-spirited thread. Sadly, some of us have become "them" -	lynne	Jun 2012	#95
very helpful	animos	Jun 2012	#104
Welcome to DU!	Dr. Strange	Jun 2012	#146
In the strongest possible terms: You deserve ONLY the compassion you are willing to give.	cherokeeprogressive	Jun 2012	#105
It hurts that people would say so many horrible things without living it first.	ColoradoSpringsHuman	Jun 2012	#106
Well said.	gkhouston	Jun 2012	#107
Good post.	cyberswede	Jun 2012	#112
Welcome to DU.	Texasgal	Jun 2012	#114
I am so sorry that you are going through this.	annabanana	Jun 2012	#132
i would prefer not to just distinguish out the liberal bases to feel empathy toward. that is an ugly	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#133
Welcome to DU and sorry about the OP.	DURHAM D	Jun 2012	#135
Great post!	redwitch	Jun 2012	#141
Please do not judge DU by the words of a few people...	kentuck	Jun 2012	#142
Well said	ornotna	Jun 2012	#147
I'm really sorry you are going through this	Marrah_G	Jun 2012	#153
Thank you	ColoradoSpringsHuman	Jun 2012	#155
Welcome to DU - I'm so sorry that your first experience of DU was of such a vile post.	scarletwoman	Jun 2012	#162
explore, enjoy and take nothing personal. welcome. nt	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#164
Welcome to DU and ignore the assholes. There will always be some who are jerks. I wish the best for	uppityperson	Jun 2012	#177
my reopublitard exboss is s'posed to go there	elehhhhna	Jun 2012	#108
Would that be the one who shorted you on a paycheck?	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#115
Umm, my uncle and aunt live in Colorado Springs	YoungDemCA	Jun 2012	#109
OMG.	Texasgal	Jun 2012	#110
really surprised by some of the names recommending it, too. not by others. nt	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#122
Have you received emails asking for sympathy?	Zanzoobar	Jun 2012	#117
wow. not only stupid, but ugly. that is sumthin. even if every single person in the large city	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#120
Holy shit...	LadyHawkAZ	Jun 2012	#121
That might explain why my brother likes it there.	liberal N proud	Jun 2012	#127
Vile post.	cordelia	Jun 2012	#131
this OP disgusts me so much and reading thru about the people living in this right now... to	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#134
I have family in Colorado Springs	distantearlywarning	Jun 2012	#136
excellent post.	seabeyond	Jun 2012	#138
Thank you. n/t	OneGrassRoot	Jun 2012	#143
Dude, seriously, you should delete this ugliness.	Starry Messenger	Jun 2012	#137
Sadly, I can't say that this is the MOST disgusting post I've ever read on DU, but it's up there	scarletwoman	Jun 2012	#139
i agree...i`m not sure why it`s still here	madrchsod	Jun 2012	#160
It's still here because a jury voted not to hide it. The only other recourse is the Admins.	scarletwoman	Jun 2012	#165
Extreme polarization is twisting people's minds.	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#176
SHAME on you DUers who rec'd this vile OP! I will remember who you are.	scarletwoman	Jun 2012	#144
What a disgusting OP.	zappaman	Jun 2012	#148
What the hell are you people thinking?	Ptah	Jun 2012	#149
Democrats should be better than this. Life is life - politics can be set aside.	NRaleighLiberal	Jun 2012	#152
what an ugy post. you should be ashamed. good people, innocent people live there too.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#156
you should be a decent human being and self delete your OP.	dionysus	Jun 2012	#163

Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:06 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

1. We have DUers living there, you do realize.

Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:36 AM USA/ET - Edit history (4)

And while the "Lamborns" of that area are disgusting in their politics, there is a vocal minority trying to change things--against a tide of military conservatism, fundamentalist RW Xian congregations with National support, and yes, regressive libertarian attitudes by many.

I am reminded of the Pat Robertsons of the world wishing "GAWD" to take action against the sinners--or at least suggesting why "GAWD" would/should not intervene where there are "evil homosexuals or liberals, or those evil, feminist women". Blaming these "sinners" for Hurricane Katrina or 911 or some other similar disaster.

Fires are not selective. As one who has been 15 miles away from the states largest in Northern Colorado for the past 18 days, I can tell you I sure as hell don't appreciate this attitude. I've already had to hear from those who assume the homes being burned all belong to millionaires--believing that the homes west of Fort Collins in Poudre Canyon and surrounding are multi-million dollar mansions like what they have seen near Aspen and Vail--not the 1950 and 60 era cabins and "normal" homes that frequent the area.

A little show of humanity would be nice.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:25 PM

YoungDemCA (897 posts)

111. Thank you for this post...

Like you said, there is a big institutional presence of right-wing politics in the Springs, but there are PLENTY of more independent, progressive-minded people there.

Regardless, wishing harm on your fellow human beings is NOT cool, no matter what your political persuasion is.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:43 AM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

51. Ayup!!! +1,000!

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:51 PM

dionysus (22,257 posts)

166. what about the non RWer's homes and lives? not everyone who lives there is a RW douche.

would you be so flippant about them as well? we have DUers in that town...

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:14 AM

Violet_Crumble (29,235 posts)

3. I don't care about who victims of natural disasters vote for. I have sympathy for them all...

And if we start attacking victims because of their politics, then that makes us no better than the freepers who have no sympathy or empathy for anyone who doesn't hold the exact same view as them...

I'm on the other side of the world, but I've got lots of sympathy for what people in that part of Colorado are going through right now. Some of that's because I've experienced a massive firestorm and know how it feels, but mainly because I feel empathy and compassion for victims of natural disasters like this one....

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:31 AM

DiverDave (3,684 posts)

5. On the other side of the world?

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So I guess it wont be YOUR tax dollars that rebuild for these assholes.

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Response to DiverDave (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:51 AM

Violet_Crumble (29,235 posts)

10. Maybe you should write an outraged letter to the IRS?

I'm sure they get plenty from folk who think that THEIR tax dollars pay for everything, and they can file it alongside them. If I was an American and federal funds were needed to rebuild infrastructure, I'd be happy to see my tax dollars being put to better use than funding endless wars in other countries...

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Response to DiverDave (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:25 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

12. Canada has sent fire crews & much needed cargo planes that drop retardant to the now 10 record fires

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in Colorado...Thank heavens some outside this country show more compassion and PROGRESSIVE values for our people than apparently, do some of our own.

It isn't just homes, wildlife, businesses that are at risk. SO, too the invaluable natural resources of this forest land, the nearby reservoirs, and recreational areas that ALL Americans come to use.

Some of the attitudes displayed here are abysmal for a progressive website and no better than the RWers who wanted the largely African American population of New Orleans to be just left to drown after Katrina. I seem to recall THEM saying something to the effect that "THEY" did not pay taxes, after all, either.

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Response to DiverDave (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:51 AM

uppityperson (74,037 posts)

174. I'd rather my tax dollars go to those impacted by disasters like this than into the military machine

Everyone getting burnt out is an asshole? Shame on you.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:58 PM

Gormy Cuss (26,654 posts)

116. +1

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:03 PM

struggle4progress (71,463 posts)

119. +

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:29 AM

DiverDave (3,684 posts)

4. And just how much will it cost the rest of us?

I say let them build it back up themselves.
Not one nickle in federal money.
They wanted smaller government, they should get it.
NO FEDERAL MONEY FOR THEM!

But, as usual, WE will pay.

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Response to DiverDave (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:54 AM

uppityperson (74,037 posts)

175. Hahahahahaha. "Aston-A Community That Cares". You sure live up to your town's motto. Not.

http://astontownship.net/

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:38 AM

HiPointDem (16,821 posts)

6. if they don't pay for fire protection, why are government workers digging the fire breaks?

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:43 AM

BlueToTheBone (2,327 posts)

7. because we, as a society, don't like

people to suffer. But, I don't think we should help any rebuilding there either. And if any structures have to go, please let it be the Focus on the Family folks building.

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Response to BlueToTheBone (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:48 AM

HiPointDem (16,821 posts)

8. i wasn't suggesting they shouldn't, i was just wondering which gov't workers were

doing it if it wasn;t local.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:07 AM

BlueToTheBone (2,327 posts)

11. These are the good fairy workers

who need no pay or rest. Low taxes for millionaires! We have fairies and elves to do the work.

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Response to BlueToTheBone (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:32 PM

JHB (17,798 posts)

84. The fairies and elves have other ideas on that

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:36 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

27. I don't live in CO Springs, but they have not privatized their fire departments which are involved,

as is their sheriff's department and other local agencies, joined by help from other locales, and state/Federal resources.

Just as it is in Fort Collins, where more than 2000 are fighting the state's largest fire. There are even specially trained crews from the state's prisons that are deployed across the state.

I may not like CO Spring's politics, but you are speaking of that which you are not educated.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:58 AM

kemah (243 posts)

32. Fire Department can not be privatized because it can not be a profitable business

How can a fire department be profitable? Charge for putting out fires, charge a monthly fee. There is no way to make a profit.
My small town has had only one house fire in the past 10 years I have lived here. Charging a monthly fee would be like paying a tax to a corporation. Then if one forgot to pay or refused to pay there house would be allowed to burn down, what are the insurance companies going to do?

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Response to kemah (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:13 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

42. That is an experiement that was undertaken in a Texas community--Keith Olbermann reported on this

on his show some time back. And yes, to horrible effect when they refused to put out a fire for a homeowner who had not paid his fee.

This is not the case in CO Springs. While their politicos have devastated their public health department and savaged many local services, their fire services remain. Perhaps kentuck will address that more as a resident, but that is my understanding and I have followed the issues there to a considerable degree.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:21 PM

metalbot (362 posts)

154. That was NOT a private fire department

It was the case of a rural area that elected to not form or fund a volunteer fire department. Since they chose not to do this, they were told by the local town that they would be covered by the town's public fire department, but only if they agreed to pay for coverage.

Which quite frankly seems pretty reasonable on the part of the public fire department.

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Response to kemah (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:05 AM

MADem (85,919 posts)

168. They were back in Colonial days.

People paid a stipend to the fire department, and attached a medallion to their house so the FD would know that the dues were paid. Some people "subscribed" to more than one, just to be on the safe side...

It wasn't a good system, though, because you could have house number five and nine subscribing, and number seven in the middle refusing to go along. How do you prevent two buildings from burning down when the one in the middle is ablaze?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:16 AM

nanabugg (2,198 posts)

59. Some threads here sound like Falwell and Robertson blaming 9/11 on the gays and minorities.

This is tragic no matter what side one is on. Maybe some hearts and minds will be changed after this????

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Response to nanabugg (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:59 PM

coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)

75. Someone reported that on Free Republic there is speculation that

God has 'withdrawn his protection' from the Air Force Academy because of the repeal of DADT.

I swear, you can't make this shit up

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #75)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:18 PM

nanabugg (2,198 posts)

80. No words!!! nt

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:40 PM

HiPointDem (16,821 posts)

87. i didn't 'speak' about anything, i asked a question. thanks for the unwarranted scolding

though. good for the character.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #87)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:07 PM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

89. Embedded in your "question" was a very wrong assertion.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #89)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:19 PM

HiPointDem (16,821 posts)

91. no assertions at all were embedded. perhaps this will give you a clue:

Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:20 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=862253

"if" clauses aren't assertions.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #91)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:48 PM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

96. Your quote in your original post #6 was the one I was responding to:

" if they don't pay for fire protection, why are government workers digging the fire breaks?"

As stated, embedded in your "question" was a very wrong assertion.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #96)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:52 PM

HiPointDem (16,821 posts)

97. i understand that. & the post i linked was my clarification to another poster who

made the same assumption you're making.

hint: an "if-clause" is a conditional. it makes no assertion.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #97)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:55 PM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

98. You predicated your "then" statement on that argument....

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I'm glad you clarified yourself, nonetheless. I'd hate to think you were at all trying to support the position of the OP--which is offensive as hell to us experiencing this.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #98)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:01 PM

HiPointDem (16,821 posts)

99. the predicate is conditional on the if clause being true. there's no assertion that it is.

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"if you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"

meaning: you're not so smart.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #99)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:21 PM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

100. It would be really nice if you could move from a fixation on syntax to actual compassion...

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or do you have it in you to do so?

Perhaps I judged you too favorably.

The OP is incredibly ugly, but I gave you benefit-of-the doubt, despite your seeming intent to defend the OP.

I'm done. And, please do go find Kentuck's self-edited post and echoed by a few others downstream. Because it surely applies.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #100)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:30 PM

HiPointDem (16,821 posts)

101. it would be nice if you would stop putting words in people's mouths & stop arguing that

your interpretation trumps their own, as well as the english language.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #101)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:34 PM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

102. You are not worth the effort.

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ugly attitude, indeed. Perhaps you can find someone else to kick or abuse, but I am done with you.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #102)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:38 PM

HiPointDem (16,821 posts)

103. excuse me, but your response to me began by false attribution and attack. when

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i correct the record, you argue with me. now you accuse me of "abusing" *you*?

it's laughable.

a simple "sorry, i misread you" would have sufficed. but no, you're a fucking mindreader, you.

and you said you were done in the last post too. go away, already.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:50 AM

magical thyme (4,042 posts)

9. I feel sick about the animals there, wild and domestic

I hope that this experience will turn the heads of those in Colorado who would "fire the firemen" and who hate "big gummint."

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:29 AM

B2G (1,510 posts)

13. This is a sick thread. n/t

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Response to B2G (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:35 PM

Meg_Griffin_1 (48 posts)

82. My feeling exactcaly.....

Democrats/Republicans should not even be an issue, it's TRAGIC!!!
My prayers to all in harms way..

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Response to Meg_Griffin_1 (Reply #82)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:59 PM

Trajan (15,935 posts)

145. Well .. in all fairness: The original poster did hit upon one of the tenets of right wing foolerery

The role of government is greatly different for Democrats and Republicans ....

Some GOP would have ZERO government, other than a strong police force and draconian laws to round up their enemies ....

Some people DO wish they could live in the world of their dreams .... and to suffer the consequences of their faulty logic ...

This thread is a hateful fantasy of one person wishing that some would suffer the consequences of their own beliefs .... We know it wont happen, but it is understandable from a 'made your bed now sleep in it' kinda mentality ....

Dont worry .... Democrats will save the day and bring government assistance to bear ASAP ....

Where are the Koch Brothers ? ... Cant they buy some fire trucks and hire some non union firefighters pronto ?

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Response to Trajan (Reply #145)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:10 AM

MADem (85,919 posts)

169. If there is any lesson in this fire, it's that Mitt RMoney shouldn't talk about firing firemen. nt

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:30 AM

NCTraveler (1,714 posts)

14. -1 unrec. nt

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:32 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

15. RWers would let the largely African American New Orleans population "drown" post Katrina...

because in their minds, "THEY did not pay taxes either"....

Can any of the supposed progressives posting this ugly nonsense not see the hypocrisy here?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:44 AM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

52. Hypocrisy, or payback?

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:48 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

54. with that attitude it is clear you think only of yourself.

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I'm only sorry that kentuck thought better of his earlier, now edited comment. It clearly applies to many.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:14 AM

MADem (85,919 posts)

171. But they did pay taxes--every time they went to the store, they paid sales taxes.

http://www.revenue.louisiana.gov/sections/business/sales.aspx

The Ninth Ward homeowners and business owners whose buildings were underwater paid property taxes.

http://services.nola.gov/service.aspx?load=treasury&Type=2

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:32 AM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

16. Well, you have become that which you hate,

Heartless, soulless, with no mercy to spare outside your own closed little bubble.

I don't care about the politics of who is being endangered by this fire, I sympathize with all of them, and wish them the best. Basing your mercy upon a person's politics isn't mercy at all.

You have become that which you hate, perhaps you should rethink that.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:13 AM

pscot (13,888 posts)

43. What goes around comes around

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Response to MadHound (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:33 PM

cyberswede (11,271 posts)

113. Well said.

We're supposed to be better than the RWers are.

Nobody deserves to lose everything in a natural disaster. I'm ashamed of this OP.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:07 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

123. good post. nt

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Response to MadHound (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:32 PM

dionysus (22,257 posts)

158. i don't often agree with you. i sure do on this post.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:34 AM

Cali_Democrat (14,658 posts)

17. Do you have sympathy for the children affected by these fires?

You should.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:36 AM

RadiationTherapy (4,824 posts)

18. You have 'othered' republicans to the point of sociopathy in this post.

Might be time for a break.

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Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:31 AM

Paladin (8,667 posts)

25. Gracious, Would You Look At The Outrage.

Yesterday there was a thread with posts blaming the entire state of Texas for the murder of a lesbian couple. It would have been nice to see some of this indignant huffiness, there........

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Response to Paladin (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:25 AM

RadiationTherapy (4,824 posts)

48. I did not see that thread. I saw this one.

I hope that is explanatory enough for you.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:09 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

124. if i had seen it, i would have. that does not take away from the ugliness of this OP. nt

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Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:21 AM

pscot (13,888 posts)

47. They have "othered" themselves

Now they have a problem. What a shame.

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Response to pscot (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:26 AM

RadiationTherapy (4,824 posts)

49. Are you saying the citizens near this fire are so inhumane that it is

ethically moral to treat them inhumanely?

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Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:08 AM

pscot (13,888 posts)

55. How is it unethical

to treat people the way they say they want to be treated? Their rules, applied to them. Seems fair.

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Response to pscot (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:16 AM

RadiationTherapy (4,824 posts)

58. How is it unethical to let the largest, most destructive fire

in state history (I believe...?) be defended solely by the citizens of a small mountain city of which a majority of those who voted - less than 50%, if they follow national trends - are radically libertarian? How is that unethical? Hmmmm. Well, there is the impact on those not a part of the radical libertarians there. There is the environmental damage of thousands of tons of CO2 and toxins released by burning trees and structures. There are the refugees who place multiple burdens and challenges on the surrounding populations. There is the lack of training and equipment made available to citizenry compelled to defend their homes and perhaps threatening thousands of lives.

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Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #58)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:30 AM

Dreamer Tatum (7,125 posts)

62. Let's face it - some DUers are OK with 100 liberals suffering

if 1 libertarian suffers.

That's what's really going on here.

Remember the California wildfires in 2007? A popular meme on DU then was that Californians were all wealthy due
to overvalued real estate, so that real estate burning down was a good comeuppance.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:56 AM

RadiationTherapy (4,824 posts)

66. Their lenses need polishing, in my opinion.

The dehumanizing of one's political rivals is a short jump from civil war.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:15 PM

Nuclear Unicorn (6,936 posts)

79. I want to believe that is a joke

But I know I would be wrong.

My dad called not too long ago. He started his career in a union, lifelong Democrat, all around good guy. You could say he's been like a father to me (

). Him and my step mom are bugging out because the smoke has gotten too bad. They aren't under evacuation orders but he had by-pass surgery earlier this year and things are hard for him. TMN and those agreeing with him probably don't consider people like my father so long as they can hurt who they don't like. They're just collateral damage for whatever cause the haters pretend to serve.

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Response to pscot (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:36 PM

frylock (19,035 posts)

86. because not everyone there is like that for fucks sake!

are you that fucking dense?!

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Response to pscot (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:33 PM

dionysus (22,257 posts)

159. they have children,innocents, and liberals there too, for christ's sake.

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even the most vile RWer doesnt deserve to lose their home or life either.

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Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:53 PM

aquart (67,508 posts)

88. Seriously.

They are Americans. They are humans. And they are in trouble.

What is a nation if not a compact that we help each other survive?

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:09 AM

Nuclear Unicorn (6,936 posts)

19. I'd wager paychecks that plenty of the firefighters vote GOP

and they are fighting to save homes without regard to voter registration and that fact alone makes them better people than you.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:13 AM

Marrah_G (22,371 posts)

20. I think your post is mean and over the top

There are alot of people in harms way. There are DUers in harms way.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:20 AM

Ganja Ninja (15,691 posts)

21. If they vote to cut money for fire fighters then ...

it should be reflected in higher insurance premiums for their properties. There's no free lunch no matter how short sighted they are, in the end they'll pay.

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:23 AM

Nuclear Unicorn (6,936 posts)

22. HOI already reflects the quality of local fire fighting assets

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:29 AM

WhollyHeretic (3,918 posts)

23. This might be a point where you need to step back from the keyboard and spend some time in the real

world.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:30 AM

fizzgig (17,497 posts)

24. there a people down there fighting the good fight

some of them are our fellow duers, as has been pointed out in this thread. this is a very scary summer for us here in colorado, i've watched as 88,000 acres have burned through the mountains just west of me. i do not wish that fear and uncertainty on anyone.

it disgusts me that anyone here would take pleasure in the suffering of others.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:39 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

28. Yup.. just like the RWers who wanted New Orlean's black residents to drown. How very "progressive"

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of you. How very ugly is that attitude.

Yet, you and others like you will come out West to vacation, enjoy the National Parks and reap the benefits of resources harvested from National Forests. Well, guess what--that is all at risk as well.

And guess what--that smoke that chokes the population up and down the front range--from the New Mexico border to Denver and north to Wyoming--do you honestly care about the health impacts that will have on elderly, asthmatic children and others?

We live in a society and no man is an island. If you believe in progressive values, you really need to reassess.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:05 AM

Nydari (79 posts)

37. +1

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:05 AM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

38. I deleted it, I posted out of anger.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:09 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

39. Thank you...

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:41 AM

newfie11 (3,449 posts)

29. No one deserves this fire

I don't care what their party is.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:52 AM

kentuck (66,150 posts)

30. self-delete

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lost my head.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:53 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

31. ^^^Before a jury gets this, kentuck lives in Colorado Springs^^^

He surely is justified in feeling this way.

hang in there kentuck...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:59 AM

Nuclear Unicorn (6,936 posts)

35. "Before a jury gets this"

I *try* not to be profane and confrontational but if it were me on the jury I'd acquit on Stand Your Post grounds.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:00 AM

kentuck (66,150 posts)

36. There are good liberals that lost their homes...

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I have large pieces of ash falling in my yard. I am walking around with a mask when I go outside. Everybody in Colorado Springs is not like the OP'er suggests.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:12 AM

Marrah_G (22,371 posts)

41. Yikes

Please stay safe and don't wait until the last minute to go if you need to.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:58 PM

rufus dog (4,943 posts)

74. Major pain in the ass

Went through it twice in SoCal. Ours was much easier to control at the edge of the preserve. Days aren't too bad, but the glow at night blows. Good luck Kentuck, stay safe.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:02 PM

Gormy Cuss (26,654 posts)

118. Hang in there, kentuck...

and I don't give a rat's whisker how many of those who lost their homes are GOPers or Dems or any other political affiliation. Fire is an equal opportunity predator.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:11 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

125. damn straight. it is a disgustingly inhuman OP. and it stands. i didnt read your

other post that was self deleted. i assume you are in this mess. much sympathy for you and everyone there.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:59 AM

Autumn (11,273 posts)

34. Best post in this piece of shit thread. We have to breathe this

smoke. Can't even open the windows or go outside. This fire is devastating. Thank you for saying what I was thinking

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Response to Autumn (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:14 AM

Marrah_G (22,371 posts)

44. I am so sorry you all are going through this

Please stay safe and don't wait to long to go if you need to.

Also, remember that the vast majority of DU is pulling for you all there.

Is there anyway that we can help?

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:44 PM

Autumn (11,273 posts)

140. We are doing okay. Trying to stay indoors. At times the smoke is really bad

thank God we are not in an evac area. Obama will be here Friday, and we just keep praying.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:14 AM

B2G (1,510 posts)

45. Ditto

Thinking good thoughts for all of you in harm's way.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:12 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

126. are you there too? i have been following, and i feel for all of you. it is horrible

and i am sorry. sorry that an ugly OP like this is left standing.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:59 AM

cbdo2007 (6,519 posts)

33. Wow, so you're hoping all of their children lose their homes too?? That's pretty twisted.

We're currently housing 3 of my nephews who had to be evacuated from colorado springs. I don't think they've ever voted for a republican seeing as how they're under 10 years old.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:11 AM

Marrah_G (22,371 posts)

40. I really hope your family makes it through all this okay

It has to be terrifying.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:17 PM

cbdo2007 (6,519 posts)

150. Family is safe but the fires are just now reaching their neighborhood :(

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #150)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:18 PM

Marrah_G (22,371 posts)

151. Oh no

I'm really sorry to hear that

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #150)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:31 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

157. ah, i am so sorry. nt

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:15 AM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

46. This reminds me of a story about a weather reporter in Botswana in the 1980s

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Because of government-imposed communication standards, he found himself saying "A cold front is moving in from racist South Africa." He felt very silly.

We really needn't politicize everything that happens.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:37 AM

DearAbby (12,180 posts)

50. This state is HOME

The fires affects all of us, in many different ways. We live in fear each storm rolling over the mountains.

Not only homes are lost. A life was lost. It's like fighting an uphill battle. Thank God for those who are placing themselves in danger to stop them. There are so many fires. Their lines are thin and they must be so tired. It's a burning hell of beetle kill trees, and 100+ degree weather.

There are also people who depend on the tourist trade. Their season is shot before it started. Their livelihoods affected.

The entire State is affected.

Our beautiful state is ablaze, I never seen anything like it in all my fifty years here.

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Response to DearAbby (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:14 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

128. that is heartbreaking abby.

i have been watching, following and sadden for all in that state. it is a place i go to every summer to get away from the panhandle. a lot a bit of beauty. i am so sorry you are all experiencing this now. you are having the summer we had last year. it was horrible. i hated it.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:45 AM

Rambis (7,585 posts)

53. Less 5 miles from my friends house

They will lose everything and have no way of recovering if they do.

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Response to Rambis (Reply #53)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:15 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

129. that is devastating and the uncaring of the Op was heartless.

many of us know how it feels. i am sorry for your friend.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:09 AM

Ednahilda (116 posts)

56. This is really horrible

I can't imagine how helpless people there feel. I hope that there aren't any casualties - human or animal.

I do wonder, though, if Pat Robertson will declare this Act of God to be in response to the supposed "sins" or the "lifestyles" of the people of Colorado Springs. He clearly sees the hand of the Almighty behind earthquakes and hurricanes in places he considers less Godly, but he's strangely quiet when horrible things happen in places that so-called Christians live.

Maybe this will be a sobering reminder to the I-can-take-care-of-myself types that in the real world we all need each other.

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Response to Ednahilda (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:35 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

64. Of course there have been casualties. The largest fire near Ft. Collins on day 18 has had one human

death to date, burned 87,250 acres, destroyed 257 homes, and still after 18 days is only 55% contained. And that is only one of 10 major fires.

So of course there has been countless loss of wildlife and very likely domestic livestock and pets, despite tremendous efforts of volunteers to assist in evacuating them.

Those firefighters are at tremendous risk as well--not only from temps exceeding 101 degrees the past week. The South Canyon Fire in 1994 on Storm Kind Mountain on the western side of the state resulted in a loss of a crew of 14 firefighters--who were trapped and overrun when the fire changed direction abruptly.

I am aghast at the few on these threads who are so callous, spewing their own "political talking points" in total ignorance of what is really happening.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #64)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:10 PM

Ednahilda (116 posts)

68. Sorry!

Clearly, I haven't been paying close attention to the news or I would have known about the casualties. This is absolutely catastrophic. Thank goodness for the firefighters who are out risking their lives and safety to put this fire out.

Too bad we can't send those folks some of the (much too) abundant rain we've been having around here lately.

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Response to Ednahilda (Reply #68)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:16 PM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

69. No, I was just trying to educate...

My comments really weren't directed to you personally. I appreciate your kind expressions of concern and am sure all others in CO and elsewhere in the West-- affected by what looks to be the worst wildfire season in many decades--do so as well.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:15 AM

Spazito (26,463 posts)

57. Disgusting OP, imo n/t

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:20 AM

4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)

60. Did they vote to not have a fire department?

Did they as a town decide to forgo paying state and federal taxes?

If not then they are entitled to everything that comes with that.

Saying people should die because they don't believe the same as you is . . . well . . . awful.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:29 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

61. No. Even if they had, this does not just impact RW residents- this is a state-wide disaster.

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Please read the thread.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:33 AM

kestrel91316 (45,365 posts)

63. I remember when CoSpgs was a really nice place.

My parents retired there in 1978. I am glad they are both gone now and didn't have to see the fundie mess it has become. They were both about as religious as my cats and din't think much of the uber-religious forcing their nonsense down other people's throats.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:36 AM

hlthe2b (47,251 posts)

65. It is still a beautiful place and there are STILL a lot of very good people living there.

I dislike the RW elements as much as anyone, but lets don't do this--not now.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #65)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:55 PM

dionysus (22,257 posts)

167. i'm with you. many posts in this thread are disgusting. to quote Eddie Vedder;

"if you you hate something... don't you do it too...too.."

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:00 PM

Swede Atlanta (2,243 posts)

67. I have to agree with other posters...

as much as I despise their mentality and their harboring hateful faux Christians, I empathize with them at this time. This is totally devastating.

There is a part of me that would hope this could be a learning lesson for them
(1) Climate change is real and while you cannot tie this fire directly to climate change, the fact that there will be greater periods of heat and cold, there is at least some tangential relationship
(2) The government does do things that are meaningful and important in their lives
(3) Compassion for others (e.g. Canada sending resources to assist) is a human good

But I doubt they will learn anything. They will probably be even more vocal in accusing the firefighters of trampling on their petunias or some such nonsense.

I do believe these people are beyond learning and understanding. But that does not diminish my concern for them and support for efforts to contain and extinguish the fire.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:30 PM

aint_no_life_nowhere (18,936 posts)

70. I LOVE Colorado Springs

It's where I grew up during the 1960s. It seems just like yesterday when thousands of people lined Nevada Avenue where I lived to see John F. Kennedy's motorcade drive through town. It stopped right in front of my house and I was standing just a few feet away from him when he rose from his open car to thank the people. Just a few months later he was killed. I'm certainly no libertarian. My best friend in grade school, Mike, was very liberal. There are nuts living everywhere. There are probably more right wing nuts living in southern California where I now live. I'd like to go back and visit Colorado Springs some day as it's close to my heart.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #70)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:34 PM

Blue_In_AK (37,719 posts)

93. I grew up there in the '50s, left in 1961.

It was a great place to be a kid.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:37 PM

MineralMan (53,795 posts)

71. A very ugly drop and flee sort of post,

it seems to me. Wishing ill on others is never something to be proud of. It's so easy to forget that many people live in that part of Colorado, not just the ones you dislike. I'm not impressed with this turd in a punchbowl. Not at all.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:45 PM

kestrel91316 (45,365 posts)

72. When this fire is over and the people have to pick up the pieces, somebody

needs to ask the RWers among them if they still think we have enough firefighters.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:52 PM

FedUpWithIt All (4,363 posts)

73. DU has really gone downhill.

What an awful thread.

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Response to FedUpWithIt All (Reply #73)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:17 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

130. agreed. i cannot believe we have this OP stand as fellow duers are going thru this experience.

it is truly ugly and uncaring.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:01 PM

Ian David (68,414 posts)

76. I agree except for the part about having no sympathy.

I hope this is a learning experience for those who need it, and I hope everyone survives.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:01 PM

hifiguy (13,029 posts)

77. Spend what it takes to put the fire out.

Then let the bagger assholes rebuild without ONE DIME of public money. Not one penny for these traitorous fucks.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:15 PM

Raggaemon (49 posts)

78. Contortionist, right-wing style

I read that congress cut 500 million in funding intended to help pay for fighting wildfires, I suppose they really believe that states can handle disasters like this one on their own, which happens to be the main ideal of right-wingers, YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN, I GOT MINE.

Count on the religious zealots in Colorado Springs to spin this one as a story about a fight between the good guys ( them ) and Satan, strange that when it was New Orleans getting buried under water, a lot of the zealots blamed hurricane Katrina on gays as some may recall ?

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Response to Raggaemon (Reply #78)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:20 PM

Arugula Latte (40,061 posts)

81. Welcome to DU, Raggaemon

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #81)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:36 PM

Raggaemon (49 posts)

94. Thanks

For the welcome !

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Response to Raggaemon (Reply #78)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:30 AM

OrwellwasRight (2,909 posts)

173. Of course Rep. Lamborn and all those asshats

vote to cut FEMA and then send a very hypocritical letter to the President seeking assistance as soon as the fire starts. And they'll say it is not hypocritical to do that. It just goes to prove that where you stand depends on where you sit.

Welcome to DU.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:33 PM

frylock (19,035 posts)

85. my very progressive friend and his family moved to the springs last year for work..

so fuck you.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:08 PM

_ed_ (1,734 posts)

90. Your post is disgusting

and you should be ashamed of yourself. I doubt you'd say such things if you knew anyone in the area.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:26 PM

Blue_In_AK (37,719 posts)

92. This is a very, very mean post.

I grew up in Colorado Springs, and, granted, it was many years ago, but I love the area and I'm sure there are many good people there. This is really not appropriate.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:42 PM

lynne (2,953 posts)

95. Very mean-spirited thread. Sadly, some of us have become "them" -

- as I would only expect a thread like this from a no-heart conservative.

Personally, I hope the fires are soon under control with as little loss to property as possible and no loss to life. Politics don't matter in a horrific situation like this.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:39 PM

animos (1 post)

104. very helpful

fuck you

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Response to animos (Reply #104)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:12 PM

Dr. Strange (21,525 posts)

146. Welcome to DU!

I don't think I've ever said that to someone whose first post said, "fuck you".

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:48 PM

cherokeeprogressive (14,904 posts)

105. In the strongest possible terms: You deserve ONLY the compassion you are willing to give.

The citizens of El Paso County, CO cast over ONE HUNDRED EIGHT THOUSAND votes for Barack Obama in 2008. "They" who? "They would never vote for a socialist, or commie Democrat..." Well I guess you're full of shit on that one aren't you?

I bet you have no problem defending the deaths of innocents in drone attacks. Seeing as how you'd toss over 108,000 good Democrats into the flames while they're "whining as the fire hell comes over the hills" simply because they live in the midst of people you loathe, I don't see how you COULD care. You say you feel really sad for the wildlife, but no mention of the human toll even though it includes people with the same political philosophy as you. Fuck that. Your attitude brands you as one of "Them".

I see you as no better than the DU'er who posted a couple weeks ago that he'd never lift a finger to assist a republican under any circumstances, no matter what.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:16 PM

ColoradoSpringsHuman (2 posts)

106. It hurts that people would say so many horrible things without living it first.

I have just reached the age to vote, and I am a registered democrat. I can assure you that the amount of manpower that the generation before me voted down in firefighting is infinitesimal compared to the size of the fire and the amount of resources needed to come in.

I would say I'm pretty liberal. I also just graduated the high school for which the mountain shadows community feeds into. It has been utterly heartbreaking to see, just over the ridge, houses burning as far as you can see. It feels as though our world is ending. My friends.. I was just at their houses last week, joking around, enjoying our summer. And everything they and their parents have worked for their whole lives is GONE. Everything they have, save a few things they could pack in their car.

I have had to pack up my room, anticipating an evacuation. I am 18, in fantastic running shape (going to college for it) and a couple minutes outside leaves me short of breath. I slept 3 hours last night, dreading being woken by the reverse 911 call to evacuate.

Would you really wish any of this on anyone?

http://yfrog.com/odkj9rqgj
https://twitter.com/KRDONC13/status/218072962006392833/photo/1/large

I have never had to think about which possessions I'd give up if there weren't enough space to move everything.
I have never had to wonder how to comfort my friends that have no home.
I'd never had to wonder if in a couple days I will have no home.

I am also gay. I respect the views of liberals, because generally there is so much love and acceptance, but it hurts - a deep, punch-to-the-gut-kind of hurt when my whole city is categorized by a few radical right-wing organizations.

Do not forget that not only is part of CoS evac'd. Manitou, Cascade, Green Mountain Falls, Woodland Park, Chipeta Park, Monument. Smoke has been in pueblo, denver, ft. collins. Hell, boulder's on fire!! If they aren't liberal, I dunno who is.

This devastation and destruction goes far beyond differing views. For example, the fire does not care if a house has a Democrat sign or a Republican sign in their front yard. Plastic all burns the same.

Please don't put your political views above your humanity.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:17 PM

gkhouston (21,642 posts)

107. Well said.

Welcome to DU!

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:30 PM

cyberswede (11,271 posts)

112. Good post.

I'm so sorry for what you and your community are going through.

Rest assured not everyone here shares the views of those who say that Co. Springs residents deserve what is happening there (most here are compassionate, caring people).

Take care, and I hope you're safe.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:52 PM

Texasgal (13,128 posts)

114. Welcome to DU.

I'd like to apologize to you for such nasty post. There are more of us who do not feel this way. We are thinking of you and are willing to help at a moments notice at anytime.

Please stay safe and keep us posted.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:22 PM

annabanana (45,548 posts)

132. I am so sorry that you are going through this.

Please be safe.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:25 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

133. i would prefer not to just distinguish out the liberal bases to feel empathy toward. that is an ugly

and mean spirited OP. too many of us are keeping posted what is going on in your state and the devastation so many are feeling at the loss. i am so sorry that you had to read this OP on du. it should not be indicative of who we are as a people, or a party. it is wrong.

take care of you

i am in the panhandle of texas not too far away. we spend a lot of time in colorado. it is a beautiful state. and i feel for everyone, regardless of party affiliation.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:35 PM

DURHAM D (18,574 posts)

135. Welcome to DU and sorry about the OP.

We have a jury system in place to remove that type of post but this time the jury screwed up.

At the bottom of the page is contact information for the site owners. Perhaps you could send them a private message and provide a link to your post.

Sorry and hope you are safe.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:49 PM

redwitch (10,004 posts)

141. Great post!

And I am terribly sorry that your world is burning.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:52 PM

kentuck (66,150 posts)

142. Please do not judge DU by the words of a few people...

Welcome to DU.

I also live in Colorado Springs.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:12 PM

ornotna (4,118 posts)

147. Well said

It's a horrible situation for everyone there. I wish you the best of luck and hope you and your family stay safe.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:21 PM

Marrah_G (22,371 posts)

153. I'm really sorry you are going through this

welcome to DU and when you have time, check out our LGBT forum.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:26 PM

ColoradoSpringsHuman (2 posts)

155. Thank you

for your kind thoughts and words! Totally not thinking badly of DU - I'm aware that one or a few people can't speak for everyone.

They seem to have slowed it down a lot here.. hopefully woodland park is okay too. I guess all I can do is help my friends pick up the pieces when it's over.

Just stumbled across this site when the OP came up on #WaldoCanyonFire twitter feed. I'm looking forward to exploring more.

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #155)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:39 PM

scarletwoman (25,186 posts)

162. Welcome to DU - I'm so sorry that your first experience of DU was of such a vile post.

I hope you've noted how many of us have objected to the sentiments expressed by the person who started this thread.

I also hope you'll stick around and get to know the rest of us - and let us get to know you, too!

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #155)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:43 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

164. explore, enjoy and take nothing personal. welcome. nt

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Response to ColoradoSpringsHuman (Reply #106)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:29 AM

uppityperson (74,037 posts)

177. Welcome to DU and ignore the assholes. There will always be some who are jerks. I wish the best for

you and everyone involved. I am sorry that you have to read such posts by a few outspoken people. Most of us don't feel ill will towards anyone in disasters.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:18 PM

elehhhhna (26,726 posts)

108. my reopublitard exboss is s'posed to go there

next week to shop for a house. Not that I think it's a karma thing...oh, hell, it's totally a karma thing in her case.

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #108)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:57 PM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

115. Would that be the one who shorted you on a paycheck?

You have good reason to hold her in low regard.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:20 PM

YoungDemCA (897 posts)

109. Umm, my uncle and aunt live in Colorado Springs

They are Democrats, along with some 35-40 percent of the population there.

But way to stereotype a city of nearly half a million people. It sure makes you look smart.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:20 PM

Texasgal (13,128 posts)

110. OMG.

You are serious?

Holy hell... I am gobsmacked!

What a shitty OP. You are a miserable person.

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Response to Texasgal (Reply #110)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:06 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

122. really surprised by some of the names recommending it, too. not by others. nt

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:59 PM

Zanzoobar (894 posts)

117. Have you received emails asking for sympathy?

Or, maybe a tweet?

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:05 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

120. wow. not only stupid, but ugly. that is sumthin. even if every single person in the large city

was exactly as you describe, which the majority of the people living in co springs is not that, this is still an ugly post.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:06 PM

LadyHawkAZ (3,878 posts)

121. Holy shit...

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That made my head ache to read. Even teabaggers and libertarian assholes are still human beings.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:12 PM

liberal N proud (43,655 posts)

127. That might explain why my brother likes it there.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:21 PM

cordelia (1,598 posts)

131. Vile post.

Heartless and cruel.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:31 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

134. this OP disgusts me so much and reading thru about the people living in this right now... to

have to read your ugly words. just shame on du that your OP stands. that are community standard is so skewed that we leave this up for those living in colorado can read this disgusting post. i am really bothered. at least the majority of people in this tread feel about the same.

shame on you.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:35 PM

distantearlywarning (4,182 posts)

136. I have family in Colorado Springs

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They are good, kind people who welcomed me into their home with open arms and no questions asked once when I had some serious life problems in my mid-twenties, open-minded, with a bisexual daughter, and although we haven't discussed it, I'm pretty sure they were Obama voters in 2008. They are on pre-evacuation status right now, and there is the possibility that they could lose their home.

Also, I used to live in Colorado Springs. The general tenor of the city is exactly as you describe, and there are many religious, right-wing, hateful douchebags who live there also. I fully admit that I was never so happy in my life as the day I drove out of that sprawling bastion of smug mega-church Christianity. There are a lot of self-righteous, boring assholes there, many more than where I currently live (Pittsburgh). The city attracts that type, it's true.

And yet...and yet...

There are many good people there too, including my family, who I am very worried about tonight. And as much as I hate Colorado Springs with a fiery passion - trust me, you couldn't possibly hate it more than I do - I would never wish what is happening there on anyone. Even self-righteous, boring, smug religious assholes don't deserve to have a wall of fire bearing down on their house at 65 miles an hour, to lose absolutely everything to a whim of nature, to be frightened and homeless and helplessly watch their hometown burn down. They don't. Nobody does. And all the people who aren't like that are suffering too tonight, along with wildlife and farm animals and pets. And a lot of these hotshot fire fighters are young college students putting their lives on the line for their fellow man, many of whom are likely very progressive. I had a good friend who did that very dangerous job in college to pay her tuition (at Colorado College in Colorado Springs, no less!), and she was as liberal as they come. If I can have some sympathy and commiseration with my fellow human and non-human beings tonight, you sure as hell can too. Let's not be like the other side, who demonized, dehumanized, and blamed their fellow beings suffering in the aftermath of Katrina. Let's be better than that, and show them how it's done, ok?

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Response to distantearlywarning (Reply #136)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:38 PM

seabeyond (85,892 posts)

138. excellent post.

and i hope your loved ones make it thru safely, without loss.

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Response to distantearlywarning (Reply #136)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:53 PM

OneGrassRoot (18,732 posts)

143. Thank you. n/t

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:37 PM

Starry Messenger (21,441 posts)

137. Dude, seriously, you should delete this ugliness.

Lock the thread. This is a hate thread.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:40 PM

scarletwoman (25,186 posts)

139. Sadly, I can't say that this is the MOST disgusting post I've ever read on DU, but it's up there

in the top 10.

Have you no humanity? Have you no empathy?

Collective Guilt is a favorite theme among those on the far right. Were you cool with those who wished for a terrorist attack on San Fransisco? Did you just love it when Anne Coulter declared that all liberals should be shot? Did you cheer, "Hell YEAH!" when the likes of Falwell and Robertson declared that 9/11 was a just punishment for allowing gay rights and abortion? Are you with the Phelps family in spirit when they demonstrate at soldiers' funerals waving signs lauding their deaths because "God hates fags?"

You're no better than any of those people when you post shit like this. I'm ashamed that you are on DU.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #139)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:35 PM

madrchsod (55,708 posts)

160. i agree...i`m not sure why it`s still here

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #160)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:48 PM

scarletwoman (25,186 posts)

165. It's still here because a jury voted not to hide it. The only other recourse is the Admins.

I'm a GD host, but I can't do anything about the OP because it doesn't violate the Statement of Purpose for General Discussion. We can't lock anything for content, we can only lock OPs for being off-topic. Only juries can hide posts for content that violates Community Standards, and apparently the jury for this OP didn't think it was a violation.

The bright side is the overwhelming evidence in this thread of how many DUers are disgusted by the OP. I'm very glad for all the people who are speaking out against it.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #139)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:57 AM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

176. Extreme polarization is twisting people's minds.

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I myself find it hard to resist politicizing everything.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:57 PM

scarletwoman (25,186 posts)

144. SHAME on you DUers who rec'd this vile OP! I will remember who you are.

You are no allies of mine. You are no better and no different than the right-wingers who love the idea of collective punishment and wished for a terrorist attack on San Fransisco because "they deserved it" for being liberal.

What kind of person lauds peoples' suffering and loss?

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:15 PM

zappaman (8,339 posts)