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Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:33 PM

Right Fucking Now. Elizabeth Warren for President 2016......

Plan ahead. Nobody else comes close. Elizabeth Warren: "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own"





"You built a factory out there? Good for you... But I want to be clear:

you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for;

you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate;

you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for."

"You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did."




http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20110042-503544.html


I declare my support for Elizabeth Warren for President 2016 right fucking now.

http://elizabethwarren.com/?splash=1




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Reply Right Fucking Now. Elizabeth Warren for President 2016...... (Original post)
NYC_SKP Jun 2012 OP
GarroHorus Jun 2012 #1
AJTheMan Jun 2012 #3
GarroHorus Jun 2012 #8
MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #30
NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #5
GarroHorus Jun 2012 #9
MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #33
Brigid Jun 2012 #50
Flying Squirrel Jun 2012 #39
GarroHorus Jun 2012 #43
grahamhgreen Jun 2012 #18
Enrique Jun 2012 #19
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #22
aaaaaa5a Jun 2012 #25
Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #31
AJTheMan Jun 2012 #2
ozone_man Jun 2012 #4
MrSlayer Jun 2012 #6
AJTheMan Jun 2012 #7
NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #12
coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #10
dkf Jun 2012 #11
NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #13
dkf Jun 2012 #15
Left Coast2020 Jun 2012 #14
Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #32
white_wolf Jun 2012 #48
dkf Jun 2012 #52
rhett o rick Jun 2012 #16
Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #17
NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #36
TeamPooka Jun 2012 #20
inna Jun 2012 #21
JDPriestly Jun 2012 #23
aaaaaa5a Jun 2012 #24
MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #34
aaaaaa5a Jun 2012 #37
Tx4obama Jun 2012 #26
msongs Jun 2012 #27
cbrer Jun 2012 #28
BeyondGeography Jun 2012 #29
Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #35
hwmnbn Jun 2012 #38
graywarrior Jun 2012 #40
Bake Jun 2012 #41
suffragette Jun 2012 #42
Zorra Jun 2012 #44
NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #45
Zorra Jun 2012 #49
Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #46
NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #47
SoutherDem Jun 2012 #51
cpwm17 Jun 2012 #53
Arkana Jun 2012 #54
Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #55
NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #57
WI_DEM Jun 2012 #56

Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:36 PM

1. I ADORE Elizabeth Warren, but she cannot win a national election.

 

I see no way for her to win nationally.

In fact, after 2012 I suspect neither party will be nominating a candidate from Massachusetts for a very long time.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:39 PM

3. That's a very suspect thing to say.

A lot of people have been saying Deval Patrick or Elizabeth Warren....

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Response to AJTheMan (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:11 PM

8. Either would be a great president, neither is electable, IMO. n/t

 

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:22 AM

30. Neither FDR nor Reagan were electable

And then they were.

Times change.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:42 PM

5. Hey, a secret muslin black dude born in Africa named Obama won in 2008..... *sarcasm*

Are you suggesting that a woman from Mass doesn't have a chance?

JURORS: My subject line is

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:12 PM

9. It's mostly the Massachusetts thing.

 

The rightwing has made it too much of a negative for too long, regardless of how phony their charges about Massachusetts are.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:19 AM

33. Massachusetts politics is extremely genteel

People are generally very nice to one-another here. In most other parts of the country, politics is blood sport.

So when a Bay State politician is generally unprepared to run against, say, a Southerner. Our politicians are usually flummoxed by a street fight and get the crap beat out of them.

I believe that Ms. Warren is different. Looking at how she's gone after scoundrels like Timmy Geithner:



Patrick McHenry:




and the Morning Joke crowd:



I take her at her word that she'll leave blood and teeth on the floor. And she will win.

Perhaps it's because she wasn't born and raised in MA.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:33 PM

50. Warren is a tough, old-school Midwesterner.

That's what makes her different. I wish I could vote for her in November. I look forward to voting for her for President -- in 2016, I hope.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:21 PM

39. Then why is their candidate a former Governor from Massachusetts? n/t

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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:25 PM

43. That's why I think after 2012, it will be many many years before another candidate from MA...

 

is nominated from either party.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:19 AM

18. EPIC FAIL. Same was said about Obama.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:20 AM

19. oh pshaw

all these silly rules about who can't win.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:31 AM

22. Nobody wins anything without support, Garro

If you adore her, show support, push for your representatives to be more like her. Make it known that you support and endorse her and her positions and rhetoric. That's one good way to get things to change from the bottom up.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:22 AM

25. Agreed.


Regional prejudice is alive and well in this country.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:27 AM

31. I see no way for her to lose. She is an extraordinary person


and so many people are still so hungry for a first female president that she has an automatic advantage from the outset.



Rmoney isn't really from MA anyways. I don't think that counts.





Oh, and I know that she could lose, that was an exaggeration.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:36 PM

2. Yes, Elizabeth Warren is the best.

She represents a real chance for Democrats to win the presidency.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:41 PM

4. For 2016

After the next economic collapse, the country will be ready for someone who speaks truth to power, another FDR, a female version.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:43 PM

6. I'd rather get her in the Senate first.

 

One step at a time.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:45 PM

7. Get her in the Senate, let her vote for four years, and get her in the White House!

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Response to AJTheMan (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:23 PM

12. Do you know the history of JFK as regards age and experience?

We don't really have time to vet people, we have to trust based on their actions.

Yes, duh, she has to be a senator first, thus the 2016 qualifier.

I worry that a couple responders didn't catch the "2016 distinction from 2012.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:19 PM

10. K&R! - n/t

 

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:22 PM

11. If that happened I would get on my knees and beg Hillary Clinton to run.

 

Or start a drive for a 3rd term for Bill.

Oh man I really miss them.

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Response to dkf (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:42 PM

13. Warren might be willing to consider Hillary as a running mate.

I don't think it would happen, and I don't think Hillary wants to run, but I would support that if it would help us win.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:24 AM

15. Ugh.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:24 AM

14. How could you put someone in who signed Senator Gramms....

...deregulation of banks legislation? Or someone who deregulated the airwaves with the Communications Act? Not me. He gave us a good economy and surplus, but F'd up all the radio and TV stations. THis is why only 6 conglomerates own every fucking station that spews out this R-W filth. Air America would still be on if he hadn't signed that legislation. I'll never forgive him for that.

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Response to dkf (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:29 AM

32. You would need a constitutional amendment for a 3rd term for Bill


and Snipergate disqualified Hillary as Commander In Chief.



The Clinton era is over, get used to it.

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Response to dkf (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:30 PM

48. Really? Clinton over Warren?! Wow, you aren't even bothering to hide your 3rd Way corporatism.

I don't see how anyone could support right-wingers like the Clintons over Warren.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #48)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:45 AM

52. You've scared me into that position.

 

Reading posts like yours turned me into a moderate as I pondered what would happen if ideas like yours were the prevailing ones. That's when I realized I don't think it would work. What we have isn't perfect, but it produces innovations that drive our economy. I don't see how that happens when there isn't the ability to make a profit.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:56 AM

16. Unless we fix the corrupt election system, it wont matter who we run. nm

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:15 AM

17. It's all moot if she doesn't win her election this November.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:02 AM

36. Thinking far ahead, I've contributed to her campaign...

...and I'm in California.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:22 AM

20. I'd vote for her

in any election if I could but I'm in Cali.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:29 AM

21. Shoot! I thought she announced her candidacy, or somethin'!

K&R anyway

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:57 AM

23. I'm with you. Warren for 2016.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:20 AM

24. We may love Warren here.


But the fact that she is having this much relative difficulty in a state like MA, doesn't bode well for National office.

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:24 AM

34. Four months out and she's tied with the incumbent

who was, until recently, polling as the most popular politician in the Commonwealth. I think that's pretty awesome.

And given that:

1. the debates have not started yet, in which she'll surely incinerate Scotty, and
2. Democrats have not really started spotlighting Brown's appalling voting record

I think Ms. Warren is in the catbird seat and will win by a wide margin. I guess we'll find out in November!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:22 AM

37. I hope you are right! nt

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:24 AM

26. We first must see her voting record and hear her positions on all of the issues n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:36 AM

27. well obama's "position on all the issues" wasn't that relevant in the end was it? nt

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:48 AM

28. A - Fucking - men

 

Best candidate in the field

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:51 AM

29. Has she won her first election yet?

Let's hope she does. I agree with this article; pretty slim choices to succeed Barack as party leader:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/06/elizabeth-warren-for-president-democrats-barren-2016-bench/258772/

If Warren loses this fall, we might have to hope that Hillary's up for a run in 2016.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:49 AM

35. If she beats Scott Brown, she will be a clear front-runner in 2016, along with the likes

of Andrew Cuomo.

If she loses to Scott Brown, then forget it.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:23 AM

38. K & BIG FUCKIN' R!!

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:45 PM

40. No, we need her here in MA

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:55 PM

41. I am impressed with Warren, but let's see if she can win the Senate seat first ...

So far, she's never run for, much less been elected to ANY office, and you want her to run for President?

Get real.

Bake

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:02 PM

42. That would be wonderful

K&R

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:36 PM

44. I'm in. nt

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Response to Zorra (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:04 PM

45. Thanks, Zorra,

It's remarkable to read some of the comments upthread that people seem to think there's even time to wait for a great candidate to be vetted through one or two additional four-year cycles!

I don't have that kind of time. Do you?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:31 PM

49. No, NYC_SKP,

we definitely don't have that kind of time.

A candidate can have a thirty year career as a federal legislator, and not even come close to having the comprehensive, necessary qualities for Executive leadership that Elizabeth possesses.

I've donated to her 4 times, and will do so again shortly.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:20 PM

46. I like Elizabeth, but we'll have to see her Senate voting record to see if she is truly.....

"The Great Liberal Hope" that some people believe she is. She'll soon find out that she has no wiggle room for compromise, or she'll be called a "caver". She'll also find out how quickly fans become enemies once she's elected. She'll have to pacify the far left, while trying not to alienate moderates. It's not as simple as it sounds. And while I'm elated that she's caught up to Brown, it's Teddy's old seat, ferchrissakes. The president is running ahead of Rmoney by double digits, while she has struggled. What's that about?

If she's the nominee, she has certainly has my vote, but I'd like to see if Cuomo gets in.


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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:23 PM

47. Warren coming up on the Rachel Maddow Show in the next few minutes (6:25 Pacific Time). eom

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:35 PM

51. I would vote for her. n/t

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:36 AM

53. Elizabeth Warren is all in with the war mongers.

That's a deal breaker for me. Nothing is more important than world peace.

She sucks up to AIPAC, lies about Iran, and opposes Palestinian rights.

There's almost no mention about any national security / foreign policy that would benefit the US at her web site:
http://elizabethwarren.com/issues/national-security-foreign-policy

Here's Max Blumenthal's take:
http://maxblumenthal.com/2012/03/progressive-hero-elizabeth-warren-tows-aipacs-pro-war-line/

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:37 AM

54. Let's let her win the MA Senate race first.

Her opponent is a skilled-enough flim-flam artist that that is not a certainty.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:38 AM

55. You must be a yankee. No one in the country knows who she is, or cares. She's a nobody. And not a

and she's not a politician, either.

Dreams are just that....dreams.

Spend your time backing someone who has a chance.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #55)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:04 AM

57. Hahahahahhahahahahahaha and Obama couldn't win either.

Who has a chance, in your opinion?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:53 AM

56. No, she should serve her term in the Senate and be a dependable US Senator

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